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Author Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool  (Read 2032369 times)
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May 28, 2012, 07:45:34 AM
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Yowch! - been a few P2Pool orphans lately ...

Block# -> block internal timestamp (not the exact time the block was found)
181922 -> 2012-05-28 05:28:39 (won by Deepbit)
181892 -> 2012-05-28 00:06:07 (won by Unknown)
181621 -> 2012-05-26 05:12:31 (won by Unknown)
181492 -> 2012-05-25 04:47:58 (won by Slush)

though P2Pool did win this one:
181303 -> 2012-05-23 17:53:16 (against Unknown)

So anyway, 4 in the last 3 days

I wonder if the people who made these blocks have low connection counts, poor p2pool performance or slow network connectivity from the pool to the internet?

Of course orphans are expected every so often, but 4 in the last 3 days almost suggests something else ...

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May 28, 2012, 08:23:46 AM
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When a block is found is it submitted directly to bitcoind network or does it have to be approved by nodes before?

Just seems that lately p2pool is running much worse than normal variance would suggest. 
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May 30, 2012, 05:19:31 AM
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On p2pool.info, how does one find the address that associates with your wallet? It was pretty easy for me to find myself on there given how there are only 3 users at 10 GH/s but holy cow that would be a nightmare trying to figure out which address was mine if I was in the 1 GH/s range. I believe p2pool outputs the receiving address when you start it up but I don't have my p2pool client accessible at the moment. I do however have a copy of the wallet that I monitor daily, which was how I was able to track block payments to figure out which was me.

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May 30, 2012, 06:56:58 AM
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If you using default bitcoin client from gavin, then you can click on transactions tab & select a particular transaction & double clicking it will show transaction details which show the amount received & also transaction id.
By searching http://blockexplorer.com/ on transaction id, you can see which address it got coins, from which address....
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May 30, 2012, 07:41:08 AM
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If you using default bitcoin client from gavin, then you can click on transactions tab & select a particular transaction & double clicking it will show transaction details which show the amount received & also transaction id.
By searching http://blockexplorer.com/ on transaction id, you can see which address it got coins, from which address....

Convoluted but makes sense. Much appreciated.

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May 30, 2012, 10:37:21 AM
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OK, after 1/2 years of p2pool mining I finally quit.

Simply because I don't get the reward I should get.

When I look at the luck chart it's always around 90%. And that pretty much confirms my own (long term!) observations: When using p2pool I get only about 80-90% of the reward I get compared to Slush or Deepbit.

Question: Is there any chance that p2pool will finally be able to compete with the other pools? Or is the p2pool approach simply inherently flawed?

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May 30, 2012, 01:35:39 PM
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On p2pool.info, how does one find the address that associates with your wallet? It was pretty easy for me to find myself on there given how there are only 3 users at 10 GH/s but holy cow that would be a nightmare trying to figure out which address was mine if I was in the 1 GH/s range. I believe p2pool outputs the receiving address when you start it up but I don't have my p2pool client accessible at the moment. I do however have a copy of the wallet that I monitor daily, which was how I was able to track block payments to figure out which was me.

I'm assuming you're letting p2pool auto-pick an address for you instead of just telling it what address you want it to use.  If so, then when p2pool starts up, it displays the payment address it auto-picked for you.

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May 30, 2012, 10:59:41 PM
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OK, after 1/2 years of p2pool mining I finally quit.

Simply because I don't get the reward I should get.

When I look at the luck chart it's always around 90%. And that pretty much confirms my own (long term!) observations: When using p2pool I get only about 80-90% of the reward I get compared to Slush or Deepbit.

Question: Is there any chance that p2pool will finally be able to compete with the other pools? Or is the p2pool approach simply inherently flawed?

Answer: Not if its hashrate drops by the day. Seems counter-intuitive to me... Trying to reduce variance problems by lowering the hashrate of the pool.  Huh

I'd love to switch and get more BTC, but it's the idea behind the pool that's important to me.
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May 30, 2012, 11:51:11 PM
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Err. Any reason why the pool has lost nearly 100 GH/s in the last day? Not a huge issue so long as we continue to find blocks and achieve roughly 90-95% PPS.

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May 31, 2012, 12:10:59 AM
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probably people switching, like the above poster. not everyone's going to say anything when they do.
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May 31, 2012, 12:13:25 AM
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OK, after 1/2 years of p2pool mining I finally quit.

Simply because I don't get the reward I should get.

When I look at the luck chart it's always around 90%. And that pretty much confirms my own (long term!) observations: When using p2pool I get only about 80-90% of the reward I get compared to Slush or Deepbit.

Question: Is there any chance that p2pool will finally be able to compete with the other pools? Or is the p2pool approach simply inherently flawed?

I wasn't in p2pool more than a few weeks before I bailed.  I like the concept.  It just doesn't seem to work.  I'm not convinced it's working properly.  Yeah, we get transactions fees.  But we also get orphans, and around 90% luck on good days. 

I'm on ozcoin now.

But I'll be watching this thread and p2pool stats.  If/when it seems to be working right, I'll consider coming back.

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May 31, 2012, 12:47:18 PM
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I left too, I can pull 3 times what I was making on p2pool almost anywhere else.
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May 31, 2012, 12:58:56 PM
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Because of PPLNS it is NEED to mine 24/7 on p2pool.
If someone is popping in and out it can get close to nothing...
P2pool is still best for me, very small miner Smiley

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May 31, 2012, 12:59:57 PM
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I left too, I can pull 3 times what I was making on p2pool almost anywhere else.

Let's keep it realistic, people, no need to spread fear Smiley We might all be worried, or not, but the difference is no bigger than 10%.
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May 31, 2012, 06:25:11 PM
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That is realistic. I've been pointing 1/2 of my power at p2pool. I get between .9 and 1.2btc per block. I was one of the top 10 miners. I should be able to get between 4 and 5 btc per day. Lately it's been about 2, 3 on a really good day.
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May 31, 2012, 07:09:49 PM
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To bad we can't just, ya know, steal OzCoin's L word.
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May 31, 2012, 09:47:58 PM
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That is realistic. I've been pointing 1/2 of my power at p2pool. I get between .9 and 1.2btc per block. I was one of the top 10 miners. I should be able to get between 4 and 5 btc per day. Lately it's been about 2, 3 on a really good day.
Um... if you expect 4 to 5 and you instead get 2 to 3, that isn't a 3 times difference.  I also think that day to day luck is too variable. Look at least at the last week's luck.

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June 01, 2012, 12:49:54 AM
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That is realistic. I've been pointing 1/2 of my power at p2pool. I get between .9 and 1.2btc per block. I was one of the top 10 miners. I should be able to get between 4 and 5 btc per day. Lately it's been about 2, 3 on a really good day.
Um... if you expect 4 to 5 and you instead get 2 to 3, that isn't a 3 times difference.  I also think that day to day luck is too variable. Look at least at the last week's luck.

Look at the last 90 days:

http://p2pool.info/

88.2%.

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June 01, 2012, 01:08:19 AM
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That is realistic. I've been pointing 1/2 of my power at p2pool. I get between .9 and 1.2btc per block. I was one of the top 10 miners. I should be able to get between 4 and 5 btc per day. Lately it's been about 2, 3 on a really good day.
Um... if you expect 4 to 5 and you instead get 2 to 3, that isn't a 3 times difference.  I also think that day to day luck is too variable. Look at least at the last week's luck.

Look at the last 90 days:

http://p2pool.info/

88.2%.

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Exactly. 88% is not 33%.  Would be nice if p2pool was closer to 100% though.

You also have to reduce intensity to run your miners efficiently on p2pool, so that is another couple % of revenue lost Sad

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June 01, 2012, 02:08:38 AM
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That is realistic. I've been pointing 1/2 of my power at p2pool. I get between .9 and 1.2btc per block. I was one of the top 10 miners. I should be able to get between 4 and 5 btc per day. Lately it's been about 2, 3 on a really good day.
Um... if you expect 4 to 5 and you instead get 2 to 3, that isn't a 3 times difference.  I also think that day to day luck is too variable. Look at least at the last week's luck.
Right, but comparing p2p vs my other half on a regular pool I would have made triple what I did at p2pool. That's why I ran half of my miners in each place. To make a real comparison,not a guess. P2pools luck/variance sucked terribly or something else is very wrong. Even with merged mining it doesn't even out.
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