[1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool

[rav3n_pl]

(though is there any pool that charges 10%?)

DeepBit PPS charges 10% and BTCGuild charges 8%. They're the highest I know of.

An they taking transaction fees to, it is 0.2-0.8 btc now each block.

Well, the PPS pools also take all the risk on the variance/luck too. Dunno about DeepBit, but last I heard, BTCGuild took a big loss during the last cycle, so they lost money paying out all the shares, so kinda gotta take that into account too.

-- Smoov

Thats why I get more form p2pool than any pps Bigger cake to cut

[Tittiez]

Thats why I get more form p2pool than any pps Bigger cake to cut

I don't see how, an extra ~.25 per block in tranactions fee's doesn't compensate for the bad luck. I've made much more mining at a MtRed (0% Fee PPS) then I ever did mining at p2pool.

[Smoovious]

Thats why I get more form p2pool than any pps Bigger cake to cut

I don't see how, an extra ~.25 per block in tranactions fee's doesn't compensate for the bad luck. I've made much more mining at a MtRed (0% Fee PPS) then I ever did mining at p2pool.

Does MtRed ever say what they made, compared to what they paid out?

That's the thing about PPS... it can be good for the miner, but if the pool operator has a long enough string of bad luck, then he's screwed. The pool operator is gambling against the long-term odds.

-- Smoov

[Tittiez]

Does MtRed ever say what they made, compared to what they paid out?

That's the thing about PPS... it can be good for the miner, but if the pool operator has a long enough string of bad luck, then he's screwed. The pool operator is gambling against the long-term odds.

-- Smoov

True, that's a very big downside to PPS.

[stevegee58]

(though is there any pool that charges 10%?)

DeepBit PPS charges 10% and BTCGuild charges 8%. They're the highest I know of.

BTCGuild is 5%

[stevegee58]

Does MtRed ever say what they made, compared to what they paid out?

That's the thing about PPS... it can be good for the miner, but if the pool operator has a long enough string of bad luck, then he's screwed. The pool operator is gambling against the long-term odds.

-- Smoov

BTCGuild recently commented on this.

Some months he makes money some he loses.

[Smoovious]

Does MtRed ever say what they made, compared to what they paid out?

That's the thing about PPS... it can be good for the miner, but if the pool operator has a long enough string of bad luck, then he's screwed. The pool operator is gambling against the long-term odds.

-- Smoov

BTCGuild recently commented on this.

Some months he makes money some he loses.

Yeah, that was the thread I was referring to in a previous post. On this one tho, I was asking about MtRed's. To compare against BTCGuild's. I only use BTCGuild as a backup now.

-- Smoov

[rav3n_pl]

Q: how exactly is calculated expected time to block when block found? Current pool hash rate or some average of time that block was mined?
I`m still not sure that our luck chart is good... If we founding blocks "in time" I`m gettin much more than from any pps pool... For me luck is much higher than 90%

[organofcorti]

Q: how exactly is calculated expected time to block when block found? Current pool hash rate or some average of time that block was mined?
I`m still not sure that our luck chart is good... If we founding blocks "in time" I`m gettin much more than from any pps pool... For me luck is much higher than 90%

What's your average daily earnings and average hashrate for the current difficulty period? If you can tell me that, I'll tell you whether or not you're getting more or less than expected.

[rav3n_pl]

Q: how exactly is calculated expected time to block when block found? Current pool hash rate or some average of time that block was mined?
I`m still not sure that our luck chart is good... If we founding blocks "in time" I`m gettin much more than from any pps pool... For me luck is much higher than 90%

What's your average daily earnings and average hashrate for the current difficulty period? If you can tell me that, I'll tell you whether or not you're getting more or less than expected.

It is my desktop, so avg is about 140MH/s.
I`m taking 0.025 per block or more (even 0.05) from P2pool.
I was mining on 2 pps pools and get about 0.07-0.075 BTC/day.
For me P2pool is best

[organofcorti]

Q: how exactly is calculated expected time to block when block found? Current pool hash rate or some average of time that block was mined?
I`m still not sure that our luck chart is good... If we founding blocks "in time" I`m gettin much more than from any pps pool... For me luck is much higher than 90%

What's your average daily earnings and average hashrate for the current difficulty period? If you can tell me that, I'll tell you whether or not you're getting more or less than expected.

It is my desktop, so avg is about 140MH/s.
I`m taking 0.025 per block or more (even 0.05) from P2pool.
I was mining on 2 pps pools and get about 0.07-0.075 BTC/day.
For me P2pool is best

What are your average daily earnings for the current diff period?

[forrestv]

P2Pool release 3.0 tag: 3.0 hash: a4cde222d397b47ae5646ca74a8036025d745df8

EDIT: Outdated, go to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18313.msg971005#msg971005

Changes:
* P2Pool will "skip ahead" to building on blocks not yet processed by the local bitcoind based on block headers received from P2Pool peers. This should significantly reduce the number of orphaned blocks we have if everyone upgrades.
* Latency/high CPU usage caused by requesting shares from old nodes is fixed by now not downloading shares more than a day old

This change increments the share version to 3, so once 50% of people upgrade, the rest will be notified by messages on their P2Pool console. So, please upgrade! Note that this isn't a hard fork of the P2Pool chain, so old nodes will continue to work, only spamming the upgrade messages.

[bitpop]

My node in my sig is upgraded to 3.0

[bitpop]

I would like to ask for a x64 build again tho

[Serenata]

P2Pool release 3.0 tag: 3.0 hash: a4cde222d397b47ae5646ca74a8036025d745df8

Windows binary: http://u.forre.st/u/lgljvrzx/p2pool_win32_3.0.zip
Source zipball: https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool/zipball/3.0
Source tarball: https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool/tarball/3.0

Changes:
* P2Pool will "skip ahead" to building on blocks not yet processed by the local bitcoind based on block headers received from P2Pool peers. This should significantly reduce the number of orphaned blocks we have if everyone upgrades.
* Latency/high CPU usage caused by requesting shares from old nodes is fixed by now not downloading shares more than a day old

This change increments the share version to 3, so once 50% of people upgrade, the rest will be notified by messages on their P2Pool console. So, please upgrade! Note that this isn't a hard fork of the P2Pool chain, so old nodes will continue to work, only spamming the upgrade messages.

Node upgraded with version 3. I too would like to check the Win64bit version if possible please.

[Luke-Jr]

* P2Pool will "skip ahead" to building on blocks not yet processed by the local bitcoind based on block headers received from P2Pool peers. This should significantly reduce the number of orphaned blocks we have if everyone upgrades.

Honestly, without looking at the code, this sounds like it's begging to be exploited as an attack vector.

[rav3n_pl]

I would like to ask for a x64 build again tho

Look @ my skidrive
http://sdrv.ms/NtmDt5
Only for bitcoin! Litecoin module not complied/included.

My node also updated.

[doobeedoo]

P2Pool release 3.0 tag: 3.0 hash: a4cde222d397b47ae5646ca74a8036025d745df8

Windows binary: http://u.forre.st/u/lgljvrzx/p2pool_win32_3.0.zip
Source zipball: https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool/zipball/3.0
Source tarball: https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool/tarball/3.0

Changes:
* P2Pool will "skip ahead" to building on blocks not yet processed by the local bitcoind based on block headers received from P2Pool peers. This should significantly reduce the number of orphaned blocks we have if everyone upgrades.
* Latency/high CPU usage caused by requesting shares from old nodes is fixed by now not downloading shares more than a day old

This change increments the share version to 3, so once 50% of people upgrade, the rest will be notified by messages on their P2Pool console. So, please upgrade! Note that this isn't a hard fork of the P2Pool chain, so old nodes will continue to work, only spamming the upgrade messages.

updated and running fine.

@ forrestv:
great job!
I think it would be good to update the first post of this thread, because most people looking for updates will search there at first. imho

[gmaxwell]

Honestly, without looking at the code, this sounds like it's begging to be exploited as an attack vector.

Gotta keep that FUD machine well oiled, enh?

It's fine.  It validates the header, and if its correct and ahead of the local node it builds on that instead until the local node catches up.  An attacker would need to burn a block just to make p2pool nodes burn less than a block. They'll, of course, stop skipping when their local node advances down another path.

In the future p2pool nodes could watch for the local node to reject a block and then reject it themselves to further narrow things, but I don't see an issue currently. There are other more effective attacks available.

[rav3n_pl]

Q: how exactly is calculated expected time to block when block found? Current pool hash rate or some average of time that block was mined?
I`m still not sure that our luck chart is good... If we founding blocks "in time" I`m gettin much more than from any pps pool... For me luck is much higher than 90%

What's your average daily earnings and average hashrate for the current difficulty period? If you can tell me that, I'll tell you whether or not you're getting more or less than expected.

It is my desktop, so avg is about 140MH/s.
I`m taking 0.025 per block or more (even 0.05) from P2pool.
I was mining on 2 pps pools and get about 0.07-0.075 BTC/day.
For me P2pool is best

What are your average daily earnings for the current diff period?

Last 2 days:
16-06:
0.04103741 BTC
0.03053837 BTC
0.03054256 BTC
0.03571901 BTC
0.03559559 BTC
Total: 0,17343294
15-06:
0.03603529 BTC
0.03502059 BTC
0.03518694 BTC
0.03513995 BTC
0.04118142 BTC
Total: 0,18256419
ANY PPS pool give me that

BTW fixed BTCLauncher, uploaded to skydrive. There was bug in saving run_p2pool.exe patch to options.