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June 07, 2012, 01:23:27 AM
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Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins.  For some reason they just seem shinier to me. Cool

..the most anonymous coins you can get, too!

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Well it's pretty clear that they come from p2pool and since there are only about 200 of p2pool miners, that narrows down the anonymity a bit.

Anyone solo mining and any pool owner has "virgin" blocks. Pools can choose to payout virgin blocks if they want as well. It's just hard to code so it's easier to resend.
p2pool blocks can be proven to be so.

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June 07, 2012, 05:31:33 AM
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Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins.  For some reason they just seem shinier to me. Cool

..the most anonymous coins you can get, too!

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Well it's pretty clear that they come from p2pool and since there are only about 200 of p2pool miners, that narrows down the anonymity a bit.

Anyone solo mining and any pool owner has "virgin" blocks. Pools can choose to payout virgin blocks if they want as well. It's just hard to code so it's easier to resend.
p2pool blocks can be proven to be so.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say, Aseras.  Yes it's true that other pools could payout generated coins.  That's not the point.

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June 07, 2012, 08:41:18 AM
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Today, decentralized mining is supported by (in order of when supported) BitPenny, p2pool, Eligius, TripleMining, and maybe EclipseMC.
p2pool is ONE and ONLY true decentralized p2p pool. Rest of them depends on server!
IE Bitpenny fail over is to... solo mining when server is unavailable!
All Bitcoin pools depend on network connectivity. Having a server to keep your information private and coordinate things is a good thing. It's easier to DDoS every single p2pool miner (and then they can't failover!) than to DDoS Eligius's server (and if you succeed, miners just failover to another pool). But no, I won't prove that by doing something illegal.

Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins.  For some reason they just seem shinier to me. Cool
Fresh-mined coins for payouts were innovated by pools in the following order: puddinpop, Eligius, BitPenny, p2pool.

you can shut down your pool at any point and not pay people out
I'm pretty sure I am guaranteed that p2pool stays up and keeps paying people

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June 07, 2012, 09:29:51 AM
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you can shut down your pool at any point and not pay people out
I'm pretty sure I am guaranteed that p2pool stays up and keeps paying people
Cheesy Yes, the biggest advantage of P2pool - no way to scam!

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June 07, 2012, 12:48:20 PM
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Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins.  For some reason they just seem shinier to me. Cool

..the most anonymous coins you can get, too!

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Well it's pretty clear that they come from p2pool and since there are only about 200 of p2pool miners, that narrows down the anonymity a bit.

Anyone solo mining and any pool owner has "virgin" blocks. Pools can choose to payout virgin blocks if they want as well. It's just hard to code so it's easier to resend.
p2pool blocks can be proven to be so.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say, Aseras.  Yes it's true that other pools could payout generated coins.  That's not the point.

I was actually replying to the mined blocks seem shinier etc. I know p2pool blocks have the header info on the p2pool miners encoded as an output and you can "track" them as such.

I just meant that p2pool or soloing is not truly the only way to get mined blocks.
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June 07, 2012, 05:20:21 PM
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Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins.  For some reason they just seem shinier to me. Cool

..the most anonymous coins you can get, too!

Ente
Well it's pretty clear that they come from p2pool and since there are only about 200 of p2pool miners, that narrows down the anonymity a bit.

Anyone solo mining and any pool owner has "virgin" blocks. Pools can choose to payout virgin blocks if they want as well. It's just hard to code so it's easier to resend.
p2pool blocks can be proven to be so.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say, Aseras.  Yes it's true that other pools could payout generated coins.  That's not the point.

I was actually replying to the mined blocks seem shinier etc. I know p2pool blocks have the header info on the p2pool miners encoded as an output and you can "track" them as such.

I just meant that p2pool or soloing is not truly the only way to get mined blocks.
Oh okay.  That does make sense.

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June 08, 2012, 12:11:58 PM
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we need some of the bigger pools to support p2pool
Rather, the bigger pools should support decentralized mining. p2pool is just another competing pool Wink

Today, decentralized mining is supported by (in order of when supported) BitPenny, p2pool, Eligius, TripleMining, and maybe EclipseMC.
I don't like your definition of decentralized. I think you should align it more with what is achieved in practice with p2pool, and indeed with bitcoin itself, and then make whatever statements you have to say.
p2pool is no more decentralized than the others, except in useless or even bad ways.
Prove it by substantially disrupting it in such a way that it can no longer function, and then I will believe you. Otherwise, provide suggestions for improvement.

how about the update bug? from 10.3 to 11.1

that proved it was possible to fork p2pool
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June 08, 2012, 12:59:30 PM
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Take 250 miners that will run modified version of p2pooll and overtake it lol Tongue

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June 08, 2012, 02:29:34 PM
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you can shut down your pool at any point and not pay people out
I'm pretty sure I am guaranteed that p2pool stays up and keeps paying people
p2pool is no more guaranteed to stay up than other pools (unless you have enough hashrate to solo mine, perhaps). Also, one benefit of Eligius has always been that since we include payouts for even the current round in the generation for its block, your payout is generally just as secure as it is with p2pool. Unfortunately, due to the design of Bitcoin, SMPPS sometimes carries a backlog that can delay things until it is paid from the buffer, but there's not much anyone can do about that until Bitcoin is hardforked (at which point, it would hopefully be modified to allow additional inputs to generation).

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June 09, 2012, 01:47:42 AM
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you can shut down your pool at any point and not pay people out
I'm pretty sure I am guaranteed that p2pool stays up and keeps paying people
p2pool is no more guaranteed to stay up than other pools (unless you have enough hashrate to solo mine, perhaps). Also, one benefit of Eligius has always been that since we include payouts for even the current round in the generation for its block, your payout is generally just as secure as it is with p2pool. Unfortunately, due to the design of Bitcoin, SMPPS sometimes carries a backlog that can delay things until it is paid from the buffer, but there's not much anyone can do about that until Bitcoin is hardforked (at which point, it would hopefully be modified to allow additional inputs to generation).
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June 09, 2012, 09:39:00 AM
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I have a problem activating --iocp with Win7 x64, I get the following error:

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Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "run_p2pool.py", line 3, in <module>
  File "zipextimporter.pyc", line 82, in load_module
  File "p2pool\main.pyc", line 17, in <module>
  File "zipextimporter.pyc", line 82, in load_module
  File "twisted\internet\iocpreactor\__init__.pyc", line 8, in <module>
  File "zipextimporter.pyc", line 82, in load_module
  File "twisted\internet\iocpreactor\reactor.pyc", line 15, in <module>
  File "zipextimporter.pyc", line 82, in load_module
  File "twisted\internet\_dumbwin32proc.pyc", line 15, in <module>
  File "zipextimporter.pyc", line 98, in load_module
ImportError: MemoryLoadLibrary failed loading win32file.pyd

Using: http://u.forre.st/u/ocpualfo/p2pool_win32_0.11.1-41-g0dbcc28.zip

Any hints for me?

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June 09, 2012, 01:27:04 PM
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py2exe/pywin32 installed?

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June 09, 2012, 02:05:25 PM
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py2exe/pywin32 installed?

No, just extracted the zip file, saw that there is that new option, which I wanted to try out.

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June 09, 2012, 07:44:40 PM
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UR usinig exe? It might be not complied properly.
Install:
- Python 2.7 http://python.org/download/releases/2.7.3/
Download:
- Twisted http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/Downloads
- Zope http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.interface#download
- py2exe http://sourceforge.net/projects/py2exe/files/
and unzip them to \python27\lib\site-packages\
Download https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool/zipball/master
and unzip where you want.
Then run run_p2pool.py Smiley All options should work.
Running it directly from python works better for me than using complied exe. You can also have freshest possible version.

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June 10, 2012, 02:03:43 PM
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i just wanna double check everything is working correctly on my end - no blocks found/payments sent from p2pool since 5:03 pm (UTC if i did the conversion right) yesterday, right?
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June 10, 2012, 03:17:26 PM
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i just wanna double check everything is working correctly on my end - no blocks found/payments sent from p2pool since 5:03 pm (UTC if i did the conversion right) yesterday, right?

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thanks. for the link too. i'd forgotten bout that.
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June 10, 2012, 10:02:37 PM
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Ok, I was mad about another 24hr block and I jumped to Slush for a day. Just want to check how much I can get (again).
And I`m back to P2pool. It is simple match: my small ~150MH/s mine gets BEST from P2pool pool.

This is what I get form 24hrs of mining. YES I know that in long term blablabla... But look at numbers:
Code:
12558 2012-06-10 21:06:02 0:08:34 176882 0.00336535
12557 2012-06-10 20:57:22 0:21:41 429827 0.00003743
12556 2012-06-10 20:35:34 4:22:05 4295752 0.00000005
12555 2012-06-10 16:13:23 1:48:03 1758862 0.00068659
12554 2012-06-10 14:25:14 0:55:12 933696 0.00207379
12553 2012-06-10 13:29:56 0:11:16 270248 0.00007700
12552 2012-06-10 13:18:35 0:04:32 109373 0.00105316
12551 2012-06-10 13:13:55 0:01:38 36550 0.00217752
12550 2012-06-10 13:12:09 1:18:48 1332681 0.00012049
12549 2012-06-10 11:53:14 4:36:05 4377702 0.00000204
I get 0,000959342 per block on Slush pool.

On p2pool:
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c5fc01a87b,,, Block 183128 (2012-06-05 14:03:27) 0,01690442
2063c0dbe0,,, Block 183232 (2012-06-06 06:02:43) 0,02919097
d128ece71f,,, Block 183244 (2012-06-06 08:06:15) 0,02383825
64ddd5ab75,,, Block 183288 (2012-06-06 13:20:22) 0,02414565
29bc429daf,,, Block 183433 (2012-06-07 15:51:06) 0,01738696
99f08d715e,,, Block 183499 (2012-06-08 02:11:55) 0,01079474
c44f9169e5,,, Block 183522 (2012-06-08 06:40:01) 0,0109043
34ee08131d,,, Block 183534 (2012-06-08 08:39:44) 0,0109494
78bfc57e57,,, Block 183610 (2012-06-08 20:45:26) 0,0064956
32a09f0d78,,, Block 183750 (2012-06-09 17:03:16) 0,0113476
I get 0,016195789 per block in p2pool. Ant it was a bad week (not 24/7 mining) , mostly I get over 0.02 per block.

It is 16-20 times difference!
I checked statistics, Slush avg makes 8-20 blocks per day. P2pool 1-4 blocks / day. It is 4-8 times difference. NO WAY to make same amounts of BTC.

So if someone have any doubts... switch to P2pool! Cheesy

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June 10, 2012, 10:15:21 PM
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Ok, I was mad about another 24hr block and I jumped to Slush for a day. Just want to check how much I can get (again).
And I`m back to P2pool. It is simple match: my small ~150MH/s mine gets BEST from P2pool pool.

This is what I get form 24hrs of mining. YES I know that in long term blablabla... But look at numbers:
Code:
12558 2012-06-10 21:06:02 0:08:34 176882 0.00336535
12557 2012-06-10 20:57:22 0:21:41 429827 0.00003743
12556 2012-06-10 20:35:34 4:22:05 4295752 0.00000005
12555 2012-06-10 16:13:23 1:48:03 1758862 0.00068659
12554 2012-06-10 14:25:14 0:55:12 933696 0.00207379
12553 2012-06-10 13:29:56 0:11:16 270248 0.00007700
12552 2012-06-10 13:18:35 0:04:32 109373 0.00105316
12551 2012-06-10 13:13:55 0:01:38 36550 0.00217752
12550 2012-06-10 13:12:09 1:18:48 1332681 0.00012049
12549 2012-06-10 11:53:14 4:36:05 4377702 0.00000204
I get 0,000959342 per block on Slush pool.

On p2pool:
Code:
c5fc01a87b,,, Block 183128 (2012-06-05 14:03:27) 0,01690442
2063c0dbe0,,, Block 183232 (2012-06-06 06:02:43) 0,02919097
d128ece71f,,, Block 183244 (2012-06-06 08:06:15) 0,02383825
64ddd5ab75,,, Block 183288 (2012-06-06 13:20:22) 0,02414565
29bc429daf,,, Block 183433 (2012-06-07 15:51:06) 0,01738696
99f08d715e,,, Block 183499 (2012-06-08 02:11:55) 0,01079474
c44f9169e5,,, Block 183522 (2012-06-08 06:40:01) 0,0109043
34ee08131d,,, Block 183534 (2012-06-08 08:39:44) 0,0109494
78bfc57e57,,, Block 183610 (2012-06-08 20:45:26) 0,0064956
32a09f0d78,,, Block 183750 (2012-06-09 17:03:16) 0,0113476
I get 0,016195789 per block in p2pool. Ant it was a bad week (not 24/7 mining) , mostly I get over 0.02 per block.

It is 16-20 times difference!
I checked statistics, Slush avg makes 8-20 blocks per day. P2pool 1-4 blocks / day. It is 4-8 times difference. NO WAY to make same amounts of BTC.

So if someone have any doubts... switch to P2pool! Cheesy

Your slush payout seems odd. Do you mine on and off? I heard that can hurt with a score based pool. 150MH/s should make roughly 0.095BTC a day at the current difficulty, so if your making less then 0.09 give or take, your doing something wrong or your not getting as much as you should. Try mining at a PPS pool like MtRed or BTC Guild or 50BTC for 24 hours and see how much you make.
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June 10, 2012, 10:24:30 PM
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You are comparing apples and oranges. You need to look at btc per day or week.

The only real way to do that is to split mine both with the same mhash at the same time.

You should be making more on a pps. Slush is scored so shares aren't even. Try a pure pps pool.
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