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[lexis200]

if you are interested in adding hashing power to the network regardless of how much money you stand to lose, then stick with it.

The problem is that only people with money can afford to do this, it's nice to be philanthropic but for most people it's a luxury (or calling) they can't afford. Once again, the phrase "Money comes to money" springs to mind...

[markm]

Maybe when some generous volunteer's turn to be processed is reached, the time that would have been spent processing that person's refund or whatever could be spent instead on fitting in however much of any update is possible within the span of time processing that individual's case would have taken, and the person be moved to the bottom of the queue so that the entire queue does not get held up while yet another update gets quickly whipped up and sent out?

I am starting to think there ought to be real usefulness for some kind of scheduling system that will let people do such tradeoffs, so that individuals who prefer to be mothered can choose to be mothered without those who prefer that production or processing or whatever take priority over mothering having to suffer whole production or processing line(s) being stalled pending some public relations brochure creation or press conference or whatever.

Maybe even include in price lists up front, chips, board, assembly, per hour of press conferences or brochure/newspaper publishing, etc etc etc...

I guess the people who like mothering will be willing to pay extra to have some motherly type at a desk 24/7 to chat with them, I know when I was up all night and day tracking down problems to try to get systems up and running it always seemed unproductive to me to keep having to stop actually working on fixing things in order to explain to some customer on the phone that they have a simple choice, they can chat with me on the phone or they can hang up so I can get back to working on the exact damn problem they are phoning to moan about...

Presumably no news is good news, in the sense that someone is actually working on the problem instead of making up press releases about it.

But hey, if you prefer the Josh Zerlan method - updates galore - maybe you should be buying from BFL?

-MarkM-

[powpow]

But hey, if you prefer the Josh Zerlan method - updates galore - maybe you should be buying from BFL?

-MarkM-

Both appear to be vaporware, one has updates, one doesn't -- who's winning?

[markm]

Maybe Yifu?

Is batch six overdue at last or is that batch still "on schedule" ?

The stories so far seem to be claiming it is Avalonn chips or Avalon chip deliveries that are the vapourware.

Or maybe "Yifu's word", for short.

I hope all this fuss about refunds isn't slowing down the actual manufacturing of our K16 boards...

-MarkM-

[bigbeninlondon]

Maybe when some generous volunteer's turn to be processed is reached, the time that would have been spent processing that person's refund or whatever could be spent instead on fitting in however much of any update is possible within the span of time processing that individual's case would have taken, and the person be moved to the bottom of the queue so that the entire queue does not get held up while yet another update gets quickly whipped up and sent out?

I am starting to think there ought to be real usefulness for some kind of scheduling system that will let people do such tradeoffs, so that individuals who prefer to be mothered can choose to be mothered without those who prefer that production or processing or whatever take priority over mothering having to suffer whole production or processing line(s) being stalled pending some public relations brochure creation or press conference or whatever.

Maybe even include in price lists up front, chips, board, assembly, per hour of press conferences or brochure/newspaper publishing, etc etc etc...

I guess the people who like mothering will be willing to pay extra to have some motherly type at a desk 24/7 to chat with them, I know when I was up all night and day tracking down problems to try to get systems up and running it always seemed unproductive to me to keep having to stop actually working on fixing things in order to explain to some customer on the phone that they have a simple choice, they can chat with me on the phone or they can hang up so I can get back to working on the exact damn problem they are phoning to moan about...

Presumably no news is good news, in the sense that someone is actually working on the problem instead of making up press releases about it.

But hey, if you prefer the Josh Zerlan method - updates galore - maybe you should be buying from BFL?

-MarkM-

Actually, I do prefer extra updates and being treated as a customer and not some guy on the internet who happened across a group buy.  That's why I paid .086 per chip when there were .078/chip options out there.  I already paid my premium for "mothering".  Now I want what I paid for.  I'm still losing 5% on my refund, and that should go in part to processing refunds and updating those waiting in line.  Is it really that expensive to say "X refunds processed, Y refunds in queue, Z refunds rejected.  That is all".  It literally took me 4 seconds to type that.  Let's not degrade those of us who wish to know what is going on please.

[docjunior]

Sorry to say I too requested a refund some days ago, but I have not received anything yet. No confirmation, no failure notice, no btc. My chips were/are in batch 3. And I believe the reasonable way to refund if from batch 1 forwards, ie. the most delayed shipments first, and letting people who still want their chips move forward in line as people in front are refunded per their request.

[bigbeninlondon]

I'm not really worried about the order the refunds are processed.  We're talking about a few days max here for that.  Fight over that as you will.  But today is day 6 after an update that promised more frequent updates.  If there isn't an update tomorrow that's a full week of radio silence, after an update that took 9 days and promised more updates.  Come on.  Are there any other talks with Yifu?  What is to be done about the inevitable partial batch?  Gen2 preparation?  I'd like to see some updates.

[driksson]

Oh Yes!  Love the pics! Thanks Unacceptable for your time and communication with Steamboat   YEAH! Hang in there Steamboat, we'll get those chips yet!

My pleasure    Hope folks realize he was workin his butt off to get us our miners ASAP the whole time  

Oh,BTW,he didn't pay my way or give me any miners to do this.....ala BFL   

too bad! that would have made at least one person making money out of this mess..

[markm]

I suspect the scheduling tool I've been trying to figure out the needed features of should have transparency, so everyone can see all queues even if only as pseudonymous or anonymous entities. Then you would indeed see exactly how many tasks got done between phone calls. So maybe it should also be hooked into the phone system. Also email I guess, so if there are so many emails it takes several days just to sort through the irrelevant ones and spam in preparation for passing the potentially relevant ones along to a filtered queue of action items you can see that it was all those emails that ate up the days.

But if it takes four seconds to post a line saying you just processed another item, you just doubled the time cost even if each individual item only takes four seconds itself to process, due to the reporting requirement. So it'd have to be integrated tightly with workflow, so that maybe a website tells you what line and column the cursor is at on the worker's workstation maybe, under a header explaining how many lines of the file they are processing are consumed by each action-item.

Oh by the way everyone I just wrote a post on the forum, oops wrong place to report that, gotta go switch screens now to write down in my to-do list that I posted... Hmm i think there'd be quite a bit of lead time involved just in training people to keep jotting things down in their diary or to-do list, it'd have to become habit before it'd likely work very well.

The supposed purpose of this whole project was to make and ship the boards, not to sort out how much money is left over afterward and ship that out too. The premium paid was not for mothering, it was for sheer speed - priority - of getting the chips onto boards and the boards shipped, so unless there is nothing possible to do toward expediting that mothering ought to be sitting on a back burner waiting for some dead-time during which not a thing can be done toward getting working, debugged boards out to us as fast as possible...

-MarkM-

[Xian01]

Fwiw, going to hold out to the end of the week for any meaningful news. If nothing happens by Friday, I'll probably ask for a refund on 288 chips and buy more Bitfury products

Yifu can go eat a bag of dicks over his handling of this bullshit, and I just feel terrible for Streamboat

[ScaryHash]

I'm not really worried about the order the refunds are processed.  We're talking about a few days max here for that.  Fight over that as you will.  But today is day 6 after an update that promised more frequent updates.  If there isn't an update tomorrow that's a full week of radio silence, after an update that took 9 days and promised more updates.  Come on.  Are there any other talks with Yifu?  What is to be done about the inevitable partial batch?  Gen2 preparation?  I'd like to see some updates.

That is not a bad idea.

[Unacceptable]

Fwiw, going to hold out to the end of the week for any meaningful news. If nothing happens by Friday, I'll probably ask for a refund on 288 chips and buy more Bitfury products

Yifu can go eat a bag of dicks over his handling of this bullshit, and I just feel terrible for Streamboat

Now your going the right way for a "forced refund" from Y I FU 

Yeah,Steamboat was/is very dissappointed in how this turned out,he put alot of blood,sweat & tears,not to mention his own money into this venture.

I do know he is trying very hard to find a way to "salvage" what he can from all this 

Hang in there Steamboat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep moving FORWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stringchains]

Hang in there Steamboat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep moving FORWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hell yeah! Forward motion!!

Now thats good music!



Go Steamboat!

[ionstorm]

Part of me thinks steamboat wants people to refund with his lack of updates, what could be the reason?

[sprint347]

Are there funds left to pay people to assemble miners even if the chips arrive?

If SB remains silent people will eventually yield and ask for a chip refund.

Once chips are refunded there's no need for the hardware. It can then be sold off (well below purchase value) to release funds and relieve SB of his nightmare.

I have no doubt that SB sees every post in this thread.

Silence worked for Yifu so SB is employing the same strategy.

For those who paid for the miner/assembly/testing/freight with bitcoin (and was sent a invoice with a $ amount), will we be refunded bitcoin or USD?

If we're refunded for miners in bitcoin, will we be refunded the actual BTC amount we sent, or a recalculated BTC amount from USD using 'current market value'?

[Lollaskates]

Come on Steamboat, still waiting on my refund. I have shown public faith in you, and your lack of communication makes me look like a chump. Given you received full refunds ages ago it should not be taking this long for them to reach your customers.

Seriously. Waiting on mine as well. It blows my mind he could call himself out on the lack of updates, and then continue to do so.

[bigbeninlondon]

Today makes a week since the last update.  *Twiddles thumbs* 

[markm]

So Yifu has screwed us out of yet another week? I thought zefir or someone said all the Avalon chips were shipped?

-MarkM-

[eroxors]

So Yifu has screwed us out of yet another week? I thought zefir or someone said all the Avalon chips were shipped?

-MarkM-

The known orders both before and after SB batches 1 and 2 have been marked as shipped from Avalon last week. When Zefir receives his batches, SB shouldn't be far behind, maybe a few days.

[bassclef]

So Yifu has screwed us out of yet another week? I thought zefir or someone said all the Avalon chips were shipped?

-MarkM-

The known orders both before and after SB batches 1 and 2 have been marked as shipped from Avalon last week. When Zefir receives his batches, SB shouldn't be far behind, maybe a few days.

ragingazn's group buy just got refunded. Steamboat's batch one was about a week later, so that's good news.