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Author Topic: [4+ EH] Slush Pool (slushpool.com); Overt AsicBoost; World First Mining Pool  (Read 4381921 times)
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November 28, 2013, 05:39:38 PM
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Can someone explain this to me. This is copy pasted from https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/.

20957   2013-11-26 15:52:43   0:02:35   12301112   1191   0.00238445   271627   25.10929891    confirmed
20956   2013-11-26 15:50:08   2:06:37   621115370   48184   0.00216099   271626   25.31762960    confirmed
20955   2013-11-26 13:43:31   4:16:28   1269260019   37362   0.00000000   271612   25.06672930    confirmed
20954   2013-11-26 09:27:03   6:10:40   1798179211   177845   0.00265711   271587   25.35120125    confirmed

In line 20955, block number 271612 I have a zero payout, but I also obviously mined the block before for over 6 hours, that one for over 4 hours, and the one thereafter for 2 hours.

Why is this block paid at zero? I emailed info@bitcoin.cz already 2 days ago. Ive had no response.

This concerns me because I'm  providing shares to the pool and someone somehow is getting a payout for this block, I checked it on block chain, it was certainly mined by slushes pool.

What am I missing here?

As it is possible to see by amount of your shares in that round, which is lower as your total for 2 hour round, your miner was not submitting, and as the reward is zero, and by the amount of submitted shares, I will say that it was not working on that round from the 1 and half hour after the start to the finish. It was explained in this forum to people x times before.

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November 28, 2013, 09:41:23 PM
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im waiting on a payout as well, never had this problem before
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November 29, 2013, 12:48:19 PM
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same here, threshold crossed some hours ago, but the payout is still not happening.... Cry
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November 29, 2013, 05:00:11 PM
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Hello i have a problem to sing in slush pool in my account and in stadistics i cant enter to those pages, the browser goes stuck.
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November 29, 2013, 08:08:57 PM
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Can someone explain this to me. This is copy pasted from https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/.

20957   2013-11-26 15:52:43   0:02:35   12301112   1191   0.00238445   271627   25.10929891    confirmed
20956   2013-11-26 15:50:08   2:06:37   621115370   48184   0.00216099   271626   25.31762960    confirmed
20955   2013-11-26 13:43:31   4:16:28   1269260019   37362   0.00000000   271612   25.06672930    confirmed
20954   2013-11-26 09:27:03   6:10:40   1798179211   177845   0.00265711   271587   25.35120125    confirmed

In line 20955, block number 271612 I have a zero payout, but I also obviously mined the block before for over 6 hours, that one for over 4 hours, and the one thereafter for 2 hours.

Why is this block paid at zero? I emailed info@bitcoin.cz already 2 days ago. Ive had no response.

This concerns me because I'm  providing shares to the pool and someone somehow is getting a payout for this block, I checked it on block chain, it was certainly mined by slushes pool.

What am I missing here?
On the 20955 round you provided significantly less shares than the other rounds, It it likely this happened all towards the end of the round because later shares are weighted more, this prevents pool-hopping. You actually missed out on the beginning of the 20956 round as well. Your ratios as far as (submitted shares/all shares) are as follows:
Round#:   Ratio:
20957   96.8e-6
20956   77.5e-6
20955   29.4e-6
20954   98.9e-6

But basically you missed so many submissions towards the end you were rounded down to zero by the pool hopping mechanic. The only way to earn shares in Slushes is to be there when the round completes by a fair margin.
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November 30, 2013, 01:53:25 AM
Last edit: November 30, 2013, 09:33:24 AM by gourmet
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New difficulty is 707M. The change occured yesterday evening (UTC), only several hours ago. Maybe it can be mentioned here..
The change to the difficulty has been "only" 16 %.
The tempo of difficulty increase is decreasing for several epochs already.
I wonder whether it's a permanent change or a temporary one only. :-)
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November 30, 2013, 02:30:59 AM
Last edit: November 30, 2013, 09:32:47 AM by gourmet
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The daily reward graphs at
https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/graphs/
are one day delayed. The latest data point is for Nov 28, which is the day before yesterday (pool time, i.e. UTC).

It continues for several days already, but it can't last for too long. I've seen the last data being OK some days ago AFAICR.

Some longer time ago, all displayed data were shifted one day in the graph. In fact, the data points were OK (all data displayed), but their X-coordinates (date) were shifted one day. It is not the case now, today the data from the last (complete) day are missing.
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November 30, 2013, 02:44:57 AM
Last edit: November 30, 2013, 09:32:11 AM by gourmet
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Can someone explain this to me. This is copy pasted from https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/.

20957   2013-11-26 15:52:43   0:02:35   12301112   1191   0.00238445   271627   25.10929891    confirmed
20956   2013-11-26 15:50:08   2:06:37   621115370   48184   0.00216099   271626   25.31762960    confirmed
20955   2013-11-26 13:43:31   4:16:28   1269260019   37362   0.00000000   271612   25.06672930    confirmed
20954   2013-11-26 09:27:03   6:10:40   1798179211   177845   0.00265711   271587   25.35120125    confirmed

In line 20955, block number 271612 I have a zero payout, but I also obviously mined the block before for over 6 hours, that one for over 4 hours, and the one thereafter for 2 hours.

Why is this block paid at zero? I emailed info@bitcoin.cz already 2 days ago. Ive had no response.

This concerns me because I'm  providing shares to the pool and someone somehow is getting a payout for this block, I checked it on block chain, it was certainly mined by slushes pool.

What am I missing here?
On the 20955 round you provided significantly less shares than the other rounds, It it likely this happened all towards the end of the round because later shares are weighted more, this prevents pool-hopping. You actually missed out on the beginning of the 20956 round as well. Your ratios as far as (submitted shares/all shares) are as follows:
Round#:   Ratio:
20957   96.8e-6
20956   77.5e-6
20955   29.4e-6
20954   98.9e-6

But basically you missed so many submissions towards the end you were rounded down to zero by the pool hopping mechanic. The only way to earn shares in Slushes is to be there when the round completes by a fair margin.

You're right.

But the OP's question has been answered quite well only 4 (four) posts above your one:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg3754997#msg3754997

And with the apt remark, that It was explained in this forum to people x times before.

I'm not sure whether it's really necessary to repeat the answer again and again. Yes, you have added some apt numbers to the answer, but anyway...
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November 30, 2013, 03:48:31 AM
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New difficulty is 707M. The change occured yesterday evening (UTC), only several hours ago. Maybe it can be mentioned here..
The change to the difficulty has been "only" 16 %.
The tempo of difficulty increase is decreasing for several epochs already.
I wonder whether it's a permanent change or a temporary one only. :-)

So does a 16% increase in difficulty equal 16% less revenue? (assume no changes to equipment and no changes to participants within the pool, just talking about difficulty as an isolated thing).
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November 30, 2013, 03:54:19 AM
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New difficulty is 707M. The change occured yesterday evening (UTC), only several hours ago. Maybe it can be mentioned here..
The change to the difficulty has been "only" 16 %.
The tempo of difficulty increase is decreasing for several epochs already.
I wonder whether it's a permanent change or a temporary one only. :-)

So does a 16% increase in difficulty equal 16% less revenue? (assume no changes to equipment and no changes to participants within the pool, just talking about difficulty as an isolated thing).

~13.8% decrease in expected earnings from a 16% diff increase.

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November 30, 2013, 04:29:08 AM
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I too am having problems with my Slush account!  Contacted Slush via Facebook PM asking to check my account...no reply.  I had some "old" Confirmed Rewards and some new Confirmed Rewards generated in the last month or so.  After the servers were brought back online recently it seems like all the old coins disappeared! Cry  Not sure what else to do!  Anyone else notice a loss of coins?   Huh
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November 30, 2013, 05:50:40 AM
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New difficulty is 707M. The change occured yesterday evening (UTC), only several hours ago. Maybe it can be mentioned here..
The change to the difficulty has been "only" 16 %.
The tempo of difficulty increase is decreasing for several epochs already.
I wonder whether it's a permanent change or a temporary one only. :-)

So does a 16% increase in difficulty equal 16% less revenue? (assume no changes to equipment and no changes to participants within the pool, just talking about difficulty as an isolated thing).

~13.8% decrease in expected earnings from a 16% diff increase.

So to maintain the same revenues through a 16% difficulty increase would you need to increase your hashing power by 13.8% or 16%?
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November 30, 2013, 09:14:17 AM
Last edit: November 30, 2013, 09:31:27 AM by gourmet
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New difficulty is 707M. The change occured yesterday evening (UTC), only several hours ago. Maybe it can be mentioned here..
The change to the difficulty has been "only" 16 %.
The tempo of difficulty increase is decreasing for several epochs already.
I wonder whether it's a permanent change or a temporary one only. :-)

So does a 16% increase in difficulty equal 16% less revenue? (assume no changes to equipment and no changes to participants within the pool, just talking about difficulty as an isolated thing).

~13.8% decrease in expected earnings from a 16% diff increase.

So to maintain the same revenues through a 16% difficulty increase would you need to increase your hashing power by 13.8% or 16%?

You can guess twice. :-)
(But B is right.)

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One illustrative example:
If the diff would rise by 100 % (i.e., the new one would be twice the old one), your earnings would drop to 50 % (or to one half), that is also by 50 %.
Then guess what you have to do for to maintain your earnings: increase your power by 50 % or by 100 %? Sure by 100 %, to twice the original value.
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November 30, 2013, 10:00:50 AM
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Then guess what you have to do for to maintain your earnings: increase your power by 50 % or by 100 %? Sure by 100 %, to twice the original value.
Which is what many people are doing, hence the rapid rise in hashing power (quite apart from new miners joining).  It's like the Cold War arms race all over again, with both sides going for bigger and better to out-do the other.  Ultimately neither will win, having spent a fortune trying, but there will be losers.

It's also known as the Red Queen hypothesis.

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November 30, 2013, 10:10:27 AM
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My usual complaint.... payouts not happening again.... Cry
It's unclear if the 0.05 threshold is applied, my account settings are still on 0.01, but payouts have been happening in a random fashion, way above 0.01 and below 0.05.  This is frustrating and annoying.  I may 'spit the dummy' and explore elsewhere if this doesn't get sorted... Angry
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November 30, 2013, 01:20:15 PM
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Been having no issue with the payouts... they just take longer than normal, but every payment has been successful.
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November 30, 2013, 04:23:01 PM
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I am over the threshold with no payout....

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November 30, 2013, 05:03:13 PM
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Same here ...

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November 30, 2013, 05:18:34 PM
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same here
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November 30, 2013, 05:21:56 PM
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stil waiting hope you get it all soon
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