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December 06, 2013, 06:23:36 PM
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I'd love to see manual setting of diff as an option again.

Anything below 2.3Ghash pointed to slush and you'll keep getting sent diff 1 shares. Of the other pools I've looked at 2 is set as the bare minimum.
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December 06, 2013, 06:25:27 PM
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Ugh, ok... thanks.
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December 06, 2013, 08:26:55 PM
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I'd love to see manual setting of diff as an option again.

Anything below 2.3Ghash pointed to slush and you'll keep getting sent diff 1 shares. Of the other pools I've looked at 2 is set as the bare minimum.
Your miner is not sent shares of any difficulty - in fact, it is not sent shares at all.  It is allocated new work every so often, and told by the pool what difficulty of result is acceptable.  When it calculates a result whose difficulty matches or exceeds that threshold, then the result is sent, and you are credited with a number of shares equal to the threshold difficulty.

Let's say you are mining with a GPU producing on average four results per minute.  Some of those will probably be rated diff 1.  Slush has set your threshold to 1 (as it's so slow) so each of those results is accepted and earns one share.  If you were able to set your own threshold, as used to be the case, any results below the threshold you set would not be sent and thus ignored.  You might then go a minute or more and earn nothing, even missing out completely on some very short rounds where you might otherwise have had at least one or two shares.

You now upgrade to a faster miner, producing around 150 results per minute.  Slush will quickly adjust your difficulty threshold higher, aiming to receive around 20 results per minute.  Let's say it's raised to 4 - then your miner will only send results with a diff of 4 or more, and you will be credited with 4 shares per result.  Higher, but fewer of them.

In all cases the work allocated is the same: it's just the difficulty of the accepted results that varies.

The whole point of this being done automatically is that it optimises the rate at which your results are sent, preventing the server being stressed by excessive traffic, and using less of your internet connection bandwidth, while maintaining your share generation rate.  This latter can be important, for at busy times your connection speed may vary widely, and you might find that your hash rate slows down noticeably; reducing the traffic sent may limit the damage.


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December 06, 2013, 08:42:29 PM
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Been like 18 hours since I passed my payment threshold.  Now way over. 
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December 06, 2013, 08:49:02 PM
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I'd love to see manual setting of diff as an option again.

Anything below 2.3Ghash pointed to slush and you'll keep getting sent diff 1 shares. Of the other pools I've looked at 2 is set as the bare minimum.

Do you take Slush's share rate setting as a disadvantage? The lower the accepted difficulty setting, the lower your variance.

And in case of the Slush's scoring algorithm, one has to have a bit higher shares per minute, as only the latest shares submitted have some significant value. Thus one gets effectively less shares for the accounting (only a part of the shares submitted in the round, which makes the round effectively shorter), and for maintaining the same level of precision and keeping the variance reasonably low, one has to increase the share rate by some amount.
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December 06, 2013, 08:49:41 PM
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My numbers look ok now too. Looks to me like since the database server upgrade on 26 Nov things have been quite unstable.

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Yea, I'm seeing my hashrate reported through the API as very unstable.  Sometimes it shows 200MH/s and then gets better during the round, when I'm consistently pushing near 10 GH/s.
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December 06, 2013, 09:21:40 PM
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The whole point of this being done automatically is that it optimises the rate at which your results are sent, preventing the server being stressed by excessive traffic, and using less of your internet connection bandwidth, while maintaining your share generation rate.  This latter can be important, for at busy times your connection speed may vary widely, and you might find that your hash rate slows down noticeably; reducing the traffic sent may limit the damage.



Exactly right. But at 2-2.5Ghash it's possible to exceed 100 shares a minute (or I guess I should say 'when it's passing off the lowest difficulty results one can be credited with more than 100 shares a minute' Wink ) Here is a a snippet from about half an hours worth;

Reject ratio: 0.1%
 Items worked on: 2513
 Discarded work due to new blocks: 133
 Stale submissions discarded due to new blocks: 0
 Unable to get work from server occasions: 0
 Submitting work remotely delay occasions: 0
 
I still reckon it would be a nice touch and would help mitigate the problems you listed above. Some people aren't in a position to decide they'll just point 3 at it to save bandwidth and latency issues.

As an aside it was good to read your concise write up.
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December 06, 2013, 09:23:48 PM
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Maybe slush has been busy with his trezor project and that's why he hasn't checked in lately? I understand that he can't respond to every question, especially questions that have been asked many times before, but checking in every now and then or having some other way for miners in this pool to contact him would be much appreciated. Anyone checked the IRC channel recently?

I personally haven't had any issues with payouts or calculations over the last few months, or maybe I simply didn't notice, but for those oddball cases a short explanation would come a long way. Just my 2 mBTC! Smiley
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December 06, 2013, 09:35:58 PM
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I'd love to see manual setting of diff as an option again.

Anything below 2.3Ghash pointed to slush and you'll keep getting sent diff 1 shares. Of the other pools I've looked at 2 is set as the bare minimum.

Do you take Slush's share rate setting as an disadvantage? The lower the accepted difficulty setting, the lower your variance.

And in case of the Slush's scoring algorithm, one has to have a bit higher shares per minute, as only the latest shares submitted have some significant value. Thus one gets effectively less shares for the accounting (only a part of the shares submitted in the round, which makes the round effectively shorter), and for maintaining the same level of precision and keeping the variance reasonably low, one has to increase the share rate by some amount.

Yeah I grok that. But being on a pissy wireless broadband plan that's sometimes painfully slow (especially mid morning) along with capped downloads so low I don't even want to go there, it surprised me 1's were still accepted at those hashing speeds. I did end up going back to 3 which put's me at diff 2 again but oh well it was just a suggestion.
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December 06, 2013, 09:52:57 PM
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I'm going to have to switch to another pool until this gets sorted out.  In the last 4 blocks 2 of my rewards have been 1/100th or 1/10th of my expected returns .  I'm loyal to slush but I gotta make that money.
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December 06, 2013, 10:15:40 PM
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How often does Slush's pool pay after reaching your payout amount?  Just curious.

The FAQ currently says it's now every 15 minutes.  That hasn't been my experience, though.  I am waiting for a payout and it has been past threshold for at least a couple of hours. 

It used to be at the top of the hour, but at the moment is seems random.  Maybe they are being triggered manually at the moment.  All I know is that it isn't consistent right now.


I've been many hours over my threshold (which is below the 0.05 value in the FAQ), it is now almost 3 times my threshold but still no payout... Slush has been 'consistently inconsistent' with the payout regime, although it always happens eventually, but the delays are frustrating and unjustified  Cry
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December 06, 2013, 10:39:54 PM
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vardiff not working or my miner got crasy?

I have restarted it and now it sits on diff 3 for 15+ minutes

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December 06, 2013, 11:30:19 PM
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vardiff not working or my miner got crasy?

I have restarted it and now it sits on diff 3 for 15+ minutes
Same here.  Cgminer had some message that it lost connection to the pool, now it sits on diff 3 (which is probably not the right one for a 20GH/sec miner)  Undecided
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December 07, 2013, 01:40:03 AM
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24 hours over payout threshold and nada Sad
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December 07, 2013, 02:44:06 AM
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Well yesterday was a wash with that long block on slush ..then that was resolved..and due to extreme cold in the Midwest USA
charter Inet went poof for like 6 or 7hrs...and then the China announcement and btc down trend..sheesh.....had the day off
decided to stay in..likely  a truck shooting around trying to run me down or some such if I go out

did that .00027 or whatever it was block ever get fixed or once confirmed it is a done deal even if maybe in error"

thanks

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December 07, 2013, 02:51:42 AM
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Well yesterday was a wash with that long block on slush ..then that was resolved..and due to extreme cold in the Midwest USA
charter Inet went poof for like 6 or 7hrs...and then the China announcement and btc down trend..sheesh.....had the day off
decided to stay in..likely  a truck shooting around trying to run me down or some such if I go out

did that .00027 or whatever it was block ever get fixed or once confirmed it is a done deal even if maybe in error"

thanks

Searing

Block 21027 did not get fixed for me (it's already lost in the Stats history, below the surface...Sad
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December 07, 2013, 06:07:36 AM
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My confirms are almost 25% beyond my payout amount.. haha this is getting interesting..

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December 07, 2013, 07:16:09 AM
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My confirms are almost 25% beyond my payout amount.. haha this is getting interesting..
My confirms are about 4 times my payout threshold.... Perhaps Slush is trying to enforce this high 0.05BTC minimum payout.... bad move in my opinion, unless you want to drive away pool participants, noting that BTC Guild has a 0.01 min pay threshold.
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December 07, 2013, 08:19:37 AM
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My confirms are almost 25% beyond my payout amount.. haha this is getting interesting..
My confirms are about 4 times my payout threshold.... Perhaps Slush is trying to enforce this high 0.05BTC minimum payout.... bad move in my opinion, unless you want to drive away pool participants, noting that BTC Guild has a 0.01 min pay threshold.

Threshold is not being enforced as a minimum of 0.05BTC, my confirmed passed that ages ago. Payouts just aren't happening.

EDIT : My confirmed has just passed 10x the 0.01 threshold I have set.

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December 07, 2013, 09:46:30 AM
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GO SLUSH 200% LUCK!!! GO GO GO !!! (Cheerleaders needed, please apply here)

Whats the best bang for 1500 dollars ASIC wise at the moment?

And why (OH WHY?) do I need to wait 360 seconds from logging in to my first post = It really GRINDS MY GEARS!!!

Just a thought, ASIC Cubes don't look to be good value.


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