Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history)

[Gnosis-]

This was a good review of the problem - thanks for compiling this.  Looks like if the transaction size is too big it will fail to confirm regardless of the the fee included. Can we get a dev response?  Are you guys trying to identify this bug?  The doesn't seem like it should be a very difficult thing to fix, probably just a couple lines of code.

I posted that they shouldnt change fee settings and/or also shouldnt patch the client o allow such huge txs (txs are limited to 100KB normaly).
Nothing from our side to be done  as there is nothing to fix. If someone dosnt want to play according to the rules, they shouldnt wonder why things break. Thats the beauty of a decentralized system.

mullick says they don't patch anoncoind. Maybe they are doing some exotic combination of RPC commands (sendrawtransaction...)? I still think there's a way to create txs bigger than 100KB with an un-patched anoncoind, just not an easy way.

I will PM mullick now to ask what RPC commands are being performed.

[Viper1]

Greetings.  So I've been trying to figure out what exactly zerocoin is etc and since you guys seem to be the only ones actually doing anything with it, I'm hoping you can answer my questions about it.

1. The first question is about this statement "Using 8 cores on a 2.4GHz Core i7, Zerocoin spend transactions would take about 3 seconds to generate, and about 0.5 s to verify."  What sort of time frames would that be for more a "mainsteam" system like maybe an I3.  Or, and this wasn't clear to me from the various things I was reading, are those transactions actually done by the miners and so it doesn't actually apply to regular users?

2. Is zerocoin basically just a "mixer"? i.e. you can't actually do transactions with other people with them? The zerocoin site is somewhat confusing as it talks about both zerocoin and zerocash but everytime it talks about transactions, it references zerocash.  In addition, the zerocoin whitepaper's example is of a person minting and then collecting their own coins.

3. Is there a record on the blockchain of how many coins an address minted or collected?  It would seem to me that one way or another, there would be a balance reflected on the blockchain that others could see.  So let's say I wasn't all that bright and I minted 133t coins from one wallet address and collected l337 coins on another.  In this case it wouldn't be all that hard to "track" what I was doing correct?

[lunokhod2]

Greetings.  So I've been trying to figure out what exactly zerocoin is etc and since you guys seem to be the only ones actually doing anything with it, I'm hoping you can answer my questions about it.

1. The first question is about this statement "Using 8 cores on a 2.4GHz Core i7, Zerocoin spend transactions would take about 3 seconds to generate, and about 0.5 s to verify."  What sort of time frames would that be for more a "mainsteam" system like maybe an I3.  Or, and this wasn't clear to me from the various things I was reading, are those transactions actually done by the miners and so it doesn't actually apply to regular users?

2. Is zerocoin basically just a "mixer"? i.e. you can't actually do transactions with other people with them? The zerocoin site is somewhat confusing as it talks about both zerocoin and zerocash but everytime it talks about transactions, it references zerocash.  In addition, the zerocoin whitepaper's example is of a person minting and then collecting their own coins.

3. Is there a record on the blockchain of how many coins an address minted or collected?  It would seem to me that one way or another, there would be a balance reflected on the blockchain that others could see.  So let's say I wasn't all that bright and I minted 133t coins from one wallet address and collected l337 coins on another.  In this case it wouldn't be all that hard to "track" what I was doing correct?

Here are some partial answers:

1. Not sure, but lets say that on an old system the times are 10 times slower: half a minute seems like a small price to pay for anonymity.

2. Zerocoin is in effect a mixing pool. However, the mixing pool contains everyone who ever bought a zerocoin. The size of this mixing pool will be many orders of magnitude larger than those used with other coins.

3. You are right about this example. I suspect that the wallet will have a check to make sure that the user doesn't do something stupid like that. Another potential problem is a timing analysis. If you buy some zerocoins, and then immediately redeem only a portion of them, this might look suspicious in the block chain. As far as i know, these are the only flaws with the zerocoin model: timing analysis, and minting/spending the exact same amount.

[K1773R]

This was a good review of the problem - thanks for compiling this.  Looks like if the transaction size is too big it will fail to confirm regardless of the the fee included. Can we get a dev response?  Are you guys trying to identify this bug?  The doesn't seem like it should be a very difficult thing to fix, probably just a couple lines of code.

I posted that they shouldnt change fee settings and/or also shouldnt patch the client o allow such huge txs (txs are limited to 100KB normaly).
Nothing from our side to be done  as there is nothing to fix. If someone dosnt want to play according to the rules, they shouldnt wonder why things break. Thats the beauty of a decentralized system.

mullick says they don't patch anoncoind. Maybe they are doing some exotic combination of RPC commands (sendrawtransaction...)? I still think there's a way to create txs bigger than 100KB with an un-patched anoncoind, just not an easy way.

I will PM mullick now to ask what RPC commands are being performed.

Yes, with sendrawtransaction you obviously can create larger txs as you create the tx yourself.

[varun555]

Just noticed that the info about ANC being traded on Bittrex has still not been updated on the OP !

[bestsponsor]

Anoncoin is stop on 254084 block. Why?

[bestsponsor]

254087   2014-10-12 12:21:38   1   5 ANC   622.495
254086   2014-10-12 12:21:30   1   5 ANC   614.988
254085   2014-10-12 12:21:16   23   585.3189575 ANC   1164.969
254084   2014-10-12 09:58:43   1   5 ANC   1160.666

It`s not good.

[matthewh3]

Anoncoin is stop on 254084 block. Why?

Problems with the KGW difficulty adjustments and multipools hopping on and off.  There should be a hardfork to fix it very soon maybe within twenty-four hours.

[varun555]

The whole past month has been so frustrating mining wise..... Is there no way to get rid of the hopping pools??

[matthewh3]

The whole past month has been so frustrating mining wise..... Is there no way to get rid of the hopping pools??

The hardfork to auxPoW will help a lot as will the myriad hardfork to five auxPoW chains.  Then each chain will only find 20% of the blocks.  While by going auxPoW each chain should have a much higher and steadier hashrate.  It should also enable CPU and GPU mining so lots more people can mine ANC.  Rather than as it is currently where you need a Scrypt ASIC to mine well.

[An0nj0k3]

Anoncoin is stop on 254084 block. Why?

Problems with the KGW difficulty adjustments and multipools hopping on and off.  There should be a hardfork to fix it very soon maybe within twenty-four hours.

http://cdn4.image.youporn.phncdn.com/201104/16/560653/original/13.jpg?m=eaCaaBaa&mh=Iu-YXhRXV0HmGcry

[AnonCoinTwitter]

Zerocoin beta is just days away

The world of cryptocurrency is about to change!

[coinfactsindie]

There are two sides arguing about anoncoin.

One side are true believers in anc and zerocoin.

The other side are skeptics of zerocoin.

Here is the bottom line. Anc is a good coin with a stable development history and devs who are willing to adapt. But zerocoin is almost certainly a scam of some sort, a terminally flawed algorithm.

Anc, on its devs and history alone is cheap right now. Zerocoin is irrelevant. Once zerocoin is rolled out, if it is ever rolled out, its flaws will be discussed and it will be dismissed in favor of something else. Anc is a good coin long term.

[matthewh3]

There are two sides arguing about anoncoin.

One side are true believers in anc and zerocoin.

The other side are skeptics of zerocoin.

Here is the bottom line. Anc is a good coin with a stable development history and devs who are willing to adapt. But zerocoin is almost certainly a scam of some sort, a terminally flawed algorithm.

Anc, on its devs and history alone is cheap right now. Zerocoin is irrelevant. Once zerocoin is rolled out, if it is ever rolled out, its flaws will be discussed and it will be dismissed in favor of something else. Anc is a good coin long term.

You obviously know very little about Anoncoin then.  As the plan from the very start was to implement Zerocoin.  It has just taken a while for the development of Zerocoin to mature to this stage.

[Apraksin]

Here is the bottom line. Anc is a good coin with a stable development history and devs who are willing to adapt. But zerocoin is almost certainly a scam of some sort, a terminally flawed algorithm.

Anc, on its devs and history alone is cheap right now. Zerocoin is irrelevant. Once zerocoin is rolled out, if it is ever rolled out, its flaws will be discussed and it will be dismissed in favor of something else. Anc is a good coin long term.

You know, you really should elaborate when you make claims like this.

[utahmark]

Who to believe?  The rookie's first post or the Sr. member and the legendary member.

[Clyze]

There are two sides arguing about anoncoin.

One side are true believers in anc and zerocoin.

The other side are skeptics of zerocoin.

Here is the bottom line. Anc is a good coin with a stable development history and devs who are willing to adapt. But zerocoin is almost certainly a scam of some sort, a terminally flawed algorithm.

Anc, on its devs and history alone is cheap right now. Zerocoin is irrelevant. Once zerocoin is rolled out, if it is ever rolled out, its flaws will be discussed and it will be dismissed in favor of something else. Anc is a good coin long term.

I smell a DRK bagholder or some sort.

[An0nj0k3]

There are two sides arguing about anoncoin.

One side are true believers in anc and zerocoin.

The other side are skeptics of zerocoin.

Here is the bottom line. Anc is a good coin with a stable development history and devs who are willing to adapt. But zerocoin is almost certainly a scam of some sort, a terminally flawed algorithm.

Anc, on its devs and history alone is cheap right now. Zerocoin is irrelevant. Once zerocoin is rolled out, if it is ever rolled out, its flaws will be discussed and it will be dismissed in favor of something else. Anc is a good coin long term.

I smell a DRK bagholder or some sort.

http://www.thebagholder.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/kara%20sidebar%20new.jpg

[drakoin]

This was a good review of the problem - thanks for compiling this.  Looks like if the transaction size is too big it will fail to confirm regardless of the the fee included. Can we get a dev response?  Are you guys trying to identify this bug?  The doesn't seem like it should be a very difficult thing to fix, probably just a couple lines of code.

I posted that they shouldnt change fee settings and/or also shouldnt patch the client o allow such huge txs (txs are limited to 100KB normaly).
Nothing from our side to be done  as there is nothing to fix. If someone dosnt want to play according to the rules, they shouldnt wonder why things break. Thats the beauty of a decentralized system.

mullick says they don't patch anoncoind. Maybe they are doing some exotic combination of RPC commands (sendrawtransaction...)? I still think there's a way to create txs bigger than 100KB with an un-patched anoncoind, just not an easy way.
I will PM mullick now to ask what RPC commands are being performed.

Yes, with sendrawtransaction you obviously can create larger txs as you create the tx yourself.

Oh that is interesting. Is there another size limit, of what maximum tx-size is allowed get into the blockchain?

EDIT: Found it myself. https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin/blob/master/src/main.h#L31  :-)

[...] but shouldn't the wallet be able to handle this by adding a larger mining fee so that the txn gets confirmed?

The default wallet dosnt create transaction bigger than 100KB, https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin/blob/master/src/main.h#L33
Everything above is non-standard and not mined with default settings/codebase.

You seem to have solved it, now he knows what to do?

Still, perhaps the following might help?  Cryptsy, are you ever looking at the error reports of your (failed) RPC commands? If the error is "{"code":-4,"message":"Transaction too large"}", then I might once have encountered a not un-comparable problem, when I tried to send coins aggregated from thousands of p2pool mining micropayments. Have a look at my error description, and how (unelegantly) I solved it back then:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=488167.msg5399167#msg5399167 "sendmany.sh"  -Sometimes analogous cases help to find your way out  

Yes, reward me, please :-)
BTC 1JLKNFxKjkU3YsLs38y4e672iWiXBeFYP3
[ANC] ATAgJzuA7djZ8DijQPqtNieAughLPaFaa2
thx.

[drakoin]

The whole past month has been so frustrating mining wise..... Is there no way to get rid of the hopping pools??

about the mining:

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[...more graphics & explanations THERE]

Thanks a lot for your good words.
It was many many hours of work - and then
it just feels good if it's really getting noticed.

Very interesting analysis above, by the way.

Really cool stuff, drakoin.

Hehehe, ok more than a hint

Hello to anons, be ready! gnosis post on reddit
https://pay.reddit.com/r/Anoncoin/comments/2ix6ny/a_hard_fork_is_imminent_pay_attention_to_forum/

Brilliant Analysis ,,,,
Drakoin,
Thanks for gathering facts to clarify the situation with facts !

Imminent hard fork will address the mining difficulty problems discussed above
https://pay.reddit.com/r/Anoncoin/comments/2ix6ny/a_hard_fork_is_imminent_pay_attention_to_forum/

SUPERCOOL. I feel useful :-) You make me happy.

Send me
BTC 1NceECxBgg5E7si8gJwinuBcBhpZTn5889 or
[ANC] Aa96FUJyZXXZN2AhPtGbbAUsM7Nsxd1xhU
If this analysis helps you to make money (or avoid to loose money) - or if you simply enjoyed this, then send me some coins please. Thanks.

Wow, thanks. Some anonymous enjoyer-of-my-arts has sent me some ANC.
Thanks, THAT is highly motivating.  I wish you a brilliant start into your week!

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