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January 26, 2018, 10:47:30 AM
 #1201

Somehow I'm worried that merits will only be given to the post-op.
But there can also be good answers that are - not always, but unfortunately mostly - neglected and get no merits (although they would have earned it).

This can lead to more and more new posts and everyone wants to open a new post. So we would have several posts on a topic.
That would certainly not in the sense of the forum and not in the sense of the merits.

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January 26, 2018, 10:51:09 AM
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I am an old member and today i saw i have only 10 merit because I am not active member of forum before I become active again i have 2-3 post per month in overall since 2015 anyway I will be happy if i rewarded for not being spammers of the community for rank I was written a guide years ago Cheesy but since I don't care the ranks no problem for me i hope it will effect forum in good way

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January 26, 2018, 10:53:43 AM
 #1203

I dig this new merit systems, cause it brings new dynamics to Bitcointalk. I don't like people who post low quality posts and rank up for that. A Newbie or Jr Member account with genuine merit is much more valuable than a hero shitposter to me

The problem is that a hero shitposter already with a rank. So the rank is not a guarantee that the user does something useful for the forum. This is an indication that he may have started to do his shitposts a year earlier than the others.

In this case, why not to zero the rank of absolutely all forum participants. Leave activity and give the chance to earn a Merit on an equal footing with everyone?
If the changes for the quality of content on the forum, it would be fair and correct.

For now, this will make it difficult for new participants to grow on the one hand and
High ranks by manipulating the merit available to them, they will grow their friends disproportionately fast

Perhaps there should be an indicator of the quality of the participant's messages?
Like - Position:   Jr. Member etc

so you are saying having 5 years plus experience in bitcoin isn't a head start on someone like you? making and losing fortunes on Alts and securities scams, going through multiple "bitcoin crashes" all of that is worth nothing as you cant level up quick enough ??

Where did I say that?

I just want to say that with such an incredible, rich experience as you have, it will not be a problem to get a required 500 merit in short term to become a Hero Member again. Much easier than to learn to respect other users of the forum, regardless of their rank and point of view.

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January 26, 2018, 10:55:05 AM
 #1204

To make this system fair as it should be its primary pourpose, we all should start from scratch, with no rank whatsoever.

At present time, it mixes old ranks farmed with old rules with new shiny merit rules.

It's a system that promotes fairness, born in the most unfair way, putting low ranks in an HUGE disadvantage.

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January 26, 2018, 10:55:24 AM
 #1205

what is the purpose of merit system ?  its very hard to get rank up in this system , to be rank up why i need someone's initiative ?

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January 26, 2018, 10:56:26 AM
 #1206

I dig this new merit systems, cause it brings new dynamics to Bitcointalk. I don't like people who post low quality posts and rank up for that. A Newbie or Jr Member account with genuine merit is much more valuable than a hero shitposter to me

The problem is that a hero shitposter already with a rank. So the rank is not a guarantee that the user does something useful for the forum. This is an indication that he may have started to do his shitposts a year earlier than the others.

In this case, why not to zero the rank of absolutely all forum participants. Leave activity and give the chance to earn a Merit on an equal footing with everyone?
If the changes for the quality of content on the forum, it would be fair and correct.

For now, this will make it difficult for new participants to grow on the one hand and
High ranks by manipulating the merit available to them, they will grow their friends disproportionately fast

Perhaps there should be an indicator of the quality of the participant's messages?
Like - Position:   Jr. Member etc

so you are saying having 5 years plus experience in bitcoin isn't a head start on someone like you? making and losing fortunes on Alts and securities scams, going through multiple "bitcoin crashes" all of that is worth nothing as you cant level up quick enough ??

Where did I say that?

I just want to say that with such an incredible, rich experience as you have, it will not be a problem to get a required 500 merit in short term to become a Hero Member again. Much easier than to learn to respect other users of the forum, regardless of their rank and point of view.

Why should I have to? that is the question....

this isnt about respect for newbies as I have been making it rain on noobs who have the correct attitude about the system. I want the forum how it was back in 2013..

this forum would be great if it was all like the collectibles section, relevant - no shit posts and a good positive community !

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January 26, 2018, 10:57:54 AM
 #1207

The abuse of the new merit system is off the charts in my opinion.

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I know that it is too early to condemn the merit system, but my initial optimism has quickly
faded.

The thing is that they'll soon run out of the sMerit they got in the airdrop and then all Merit will have to be earned. So I don't think this period will last long.



If they could only print sMerit like Tether can print USDT...
I´m just kidding  Grin

The problem is not only due to people giving away their initial sMerit balance. One
of the links I posted shows an example of blatant plagiarism where a newbie
copy&pasted posts by theymos and SM23031997 and received praise and merits
for this. These rewards were not coming from random accounts with nefarious intentions,
they were made by Hero members, who have already earned merits for their own posts.
They mistook a blatant plagiarism for a genuine high-quality post. Would the user in question
have made this plagiarism without the new merit system? I´d guess probably not, because
in order to rank up he could have made a random short post anywhere over Bitcointalk. But now
he is incentivized to at least create the impression that his posts are high-quality.
This opens up a whole new angle where we potentially will see a lot of plagiarized posts
in attempts to get easy merits.

Besides, a highly-active high quality poster like you has only earned 7 merits so far
while countless of shitposters have earned a multiple of that. Is this the way that
the new merit system was intended? Genuine, high-quality posts in Technology & Development
are seeing 0 merits while random ICO thread bumps are rewarded with dozens of merits.

As of now this system is completely broken and I can only hope that the situation will
get better once the initial sMerits balances are gone. However, due to the issuance mechanism
for every sMerit that gets donated to a random ICO thread bump, the person, who received
the merits now has also new sMerits to spend.



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January 26, 2018, 11:01:43 AM
 #1208

We need a little bit of use to spend this merit. If very few people send merit, new members will be stuck for a pretty long time on their rank...

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January 26, 2018, 11:03:20 AM
 #1209

If they could only print sMerit like Tether can print USDT...
I´m just kidding  Grin

I thought the same thing this morning while I was on the toilet.

If a "sMerit printer" does exist in the hands of few individuals and if there are no explicit rules to forbid the sale of sMerits, everyone can do 1+1 and see where this is gonna go sooner or later. sMerits, the new Tethers.

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January 26, 2018, 11:04:53 AM
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 #1210

what is the purpose of merit system ?  its very hard to get rank up in this system , to be rank up why i need someone's initiative ?

I agree, it will be extremely hard for people to rank up now since I believe everyone just thinks for themselves.... The old system was better.
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January 26, 2018, 11:05:00 AM
 #1211

We need a little bit of use to spend this merit. If very few people send merit, new members will be stuck for a pretty long time on their rank...

i think this is exactly what is going to happen, but let's see what is going to be the outcome  Roll Eyes

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January 26, 2018, 11:07:20 AM
 #1212

To make this system fair as it should be its primary pourpose, we all should start from scratch, with no rank whatsoever.

At present time, it mixes old ranks farmed with old rules with new shiny merit rules.

It's a system that promotes fairness, born in the most unfair way, putting low ranks in an HUGE disadvantage.

Thank you for your fair words!
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January 26, 2018, 11:09:34 AM
 #1213

We need a little bit of use to spend this merit. If very few people send merit, new members will be stuck for a pretty long time on their rank...

i think this is exactly what is going to happen, but let's see what is going to be the outcome  Roll Eyes

I even think this was intended so by the leading clique of this forum. It simply means more stakes and pay for them with their high rankings in signature campaigns. And should competition arise they still have the trust system to abuse.  Roll Eyes
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January 26, 2018, 11:23:47 AM
 #1214

I don't understand too much, but anyway I need to learn the basic of crypto, so I don't think I could give any kind of contribution.
For the moment, I just read.
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January 26, 2018, 11:25:32 AM
 #1215

I dig this new merit systems, cause it brings new dynamics to Bitcointalk. I don't like people who post low quality posts and rank up for that. A Newbie or Jr Member account with genuine merit is much more valuable than a hero shitposter to me

The problem is that a hero shitposter already with a rank. So the rank is not a guarantee that the user does something useful for the forum. This is an indication that he may have started to do his shitposts a year earlier than the others.

In this case, why not to zero the rank of absolutely all forum participants. Leave activity and give the chance to earn a Merit on an equal footing with everyone?
If the changes for the quality of content on the forum, it would be fair and correct.

For now, this will make it difficult for new participants to grow on the one hand and
High ranks by manipulating the merit available to them, they will grow their friends disproportionately fast

Perhaps there should be an indicator of the quality of the participant's messages?
Like - Position:   Jr. Member etc

so you are saying having 5 years plus experience in bitcoin isn't a head start on someone like you? making and losing fortunes on Alts and securities scams, going through multiple "bitcoin crashes" all of that is worth nothing as you cant level up quick enough ??

Where did I say that?

I just want to say that with such an incredible, rich experience as you have, it will not be a problem to get a required 500 merit in short term to become a Hero Member again. Much easier than to learn to respect other users of the forum, regardless of their rank and point of view.

Why should I have to? that is the question....

The same question, why should I?
Just because I joined two months ago?
I understand you. You dont want to start growing your account again.
But you also have to understand me, and others like me. To go your way we will need incomparably more time and effort. I'm only talking about justice.

Objectively speaking, a large number of members share my opinion. Why does no one send me Merit? Because it is a valuable resource. It will not be sent to strangers. The system in this form will not work correctly.


this isnt about respect for newbies as I have been making it rain on noobs who have the correct attitude about the system. I want the forum how it was back in 2013..

I want the birds to become dinosaurs again.

this forum would be great if it was all like the collectibles section, relevant - no shit posts and a good positive community !

I also want the forum with collectibles section, relevant - no shit posts and a good positive community ! But Merit system isnt a solution of this problem.

Moreover, we all know the solution to make our dream come true:
1 Ban all bounties
2 Brew tea
3 Listen to music

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January 26, 2018, 11:25:41 AM
 #1216

I don't understand too much, but anyway I need to learn the basic of crypto, so I don't think I could give any kind of contribution.
For the moment, I just read.

Decent questions are a good contribution to the community, as good questions generally have good answers - if people see you are willing to learn you will be rewarded

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January 26, 2018, 11:32:06 AM
 #1217

You all are discussing new rules here, but no one thought about those who were blocked, and their applications hang for a very long time in META, I looked through a few pages - horror, someone even paid for the unlock, but it still remains blocked, I thought that here people help each other, but it turns out that at all I do not give a damn about the fact that there are problems. "If the problem is not visible - then it does not exist"
Forum problems must be solved and not postponed until it is unknown
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January 26, 2018, 11:33:52 AM
 #1218

The problem is not only due to people giving away their initial sMerit balance. One
of the links I posted shows an example of blatant plagiarism where a newbie
copy&pasted posts by theymos and SM23031997 and received praise and merits
for this.

The punishment for plagiarism is an instant permaban so I hope you used the report to moderator link.
It is a bit disappointing to see experienced members being fooled so easily.

Besides, a highly-active high quality poster like you has only earned 7 merits so far
while countless of shitposters have earned a multiple of that. Is this the way that
the new merit system was intended? Genuine, high-quality posts in Technology & Development
are seeing 0 merits while random ICO thread bumps are rewarded with dozens of merits.

As of now this system is completely broken and I can only hope that the situation will
get better once the initial sMerits balances are gone. However, due to the issuance mechanism
for every sMerit that gets donated to a random ICO thread bump, the person, who received
the merits now has also new sMerits to spend.

I really do think it will. I can't think of many alternatives to the airdrop approach. They'll all be gone really quickly the way people are spending them. I would hope the sources will only give them out to people who used the airdrop sMerit wisely.





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January 26, 2018, 11:39:39 AM
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That's ridiculous.  Do you even believe your own bullshit?  

Go ahead.  If you really meant what you asked, then make the argument for why everyone should start at 0 merit without totally creating some new-ass fantastical system that makes no sense at all?

Dude I just asked a question Cheesy keep calm.

As long as there are trusted accounts which generate Merit it should be easy for high level accounts to collect Merit faster then Newbies since they already get higher attention I would think.
Therefore eceryone starting at 0 Merit would be an option to create a system which benefits no one in particular and doesnt make it ridiculous hard for new accounts to lvl up.

I dont want the Merrit system to be that way but I simply showed the option since there was no proportional Merit progress within ranks what so ever. Starting at 0 wouldnt benefit some individuals Smiley

In other words, what you are saying makes no sense, unless you happen to have nothing invested.

It sounds like some of those arguments that say, let's just blow everything up and start over.  

And, such a blowing everything up approach only makes sense if you don't have anything invested, and frequently a very short-sighted approach.

And, by the way, there is nothing not "calm" about my previous post, except your perception that it might not be "calm enough" for me to assert that your idea to be ridiculous.

If thats the attitude of a Legendary Member then I am actually thinking that a Merit of 0 for everyone to start with is the best to encourage a more civilized communication.


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January 26, 2018, 11:40:30 AM
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This is major upgrade in the forum I believe. A good system to follow but I do see many drawbacks here if you guys believe it or not. I mean how in the first people will be happy to give away the sMerits, as long as they don't have enough and on top of that they are not the legends?

I mean this system is being created because we think that the quality of the posts is not up to the mark, if thats the case then who exactly is going to give the merits? The people who already don't have the quality posts?

I understand that there are people with some excellent posting qualities but I'm sure that they are not enough to go through everyone's post and start meriting them. This way we will end up with a war of giving the merits to anyone as they are anyway going to be wasted in the first place if not used.

Im sure that we will have some light over here and my thinking might be wrong at some point here but we do need answers to few puzzling facts!
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