NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[salsacz]

About Nxt in 1 minute

we need to record 1 minute long recordings about Nxt to promote it in the radio. You can write a script, even record it or only come with idea what we should speak about. Or help with corrections.

Topics could be:
- formerly closed source nature, the limited distribution, the anonymous nature of the creators, the traps built into the source,
- all myths: http://nxtcoin.blogspot.cz/search/label/Myths

It could be a dialog - interview:

- personal experiences and feelings about NXT.

- a lot of different spots, spots with people answering the question "What is NXT" in their own words.

We need to do it fast. (in hours/few days)

Thank you for your cooperation.

-- the boss here would probably be Joefox, if he agrees. But I think - everyone can participate.

[JTB800]

I had no idea that talking about the single most pressing and confirmed issue in science in the recent decades would open a can of worms.

Let me first say:
I respect that there are people who have not read the scientific literature on the matter.
The "opponents" of global warming has managed to do a great job psychologically in making a lot of people believe that global warming is some sort of scam or somehow that it's just another hypothesis.
To me this is actually quite mindboggling with all the emperical data that exist and the borderline unprecedented consensus within the scientifiy community.
Even gravity is more controversial than global warming at this point, at least gravity is irreconcilable with relativistic quantum mechanics.
Proof of consensus on global warming and climate change: http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

So why do I mention this instead of just playing it neutral to not step anyone on their toes? Because it is real and I refuse to ignore this just because it "might" offend some redneck idiot because we might lose a few dollars over it. That is worse than what the banks is doing today, at least they just steal money and don't force people to remain ignorant and dumb.

As one of the guys who actually got into cryptos because I also actually believe in the need for change I will not piss on my principles.

But hey, I am not going to create the video so sure it's up for vote if we are going to include the fact that NXT is important due to the insane amounts of energy Bitcoin uses which is detrimental to the worlds ecosystem.

If you happen to lack knowledge about global warming and don't want it to be included: feel free to vote against it, since it's decentralized and democratic you have all the right to ignore reality.
But I honestly think it would be a much, much more honest and influential way to show just how important it is that a mining altcoin don't become THE FUTURE.

You do know that there is no original data don't you? How does one conduct science without data? How does one trust science without data? And that's just one thing that is B.S. about these so-called scientists.

I am sad that one of your "principles" is global warming, but if that is how you want to live then go for it. I am a little puzzled by your attraction to crypto-currency as the very nature of them will destroy your "principles" if successful. Only strong governments can enforce global warming taxes and fees. If these currencies help to hasten the demise of the Euro and the dollar, your "principles" will be defeated.

Further, you will be happy to know that over a decade ago all of the "scientists" said that if the world did not seriously address global warming by 2010 then it would be too late. So stop worrying -- your "principles" have been lost forever.  

[salsacz]

Funding request
Most of us agreed with the decision to have a paid 1 minute sponsor spot at the Let's talk Bitcoin

There will be also 4 new shows with sposor spots, but I wouldn't like to spend too much NXT.

We decided for: 1 minute long ad (=sponsor spot) at the main show for 3 months for 290k NXT (we can pay in BTC)

One stakeholder is willing to pay 1/3 of the NXT. Would anyone join him?

Could we spare some unclaimed coins for this advertisement?

Who wants details, I will send him them.

NxtMarketing account:

2037401990853753795

more info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4744614#msg4744614 + https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4744963#msg4744963

[martismartis]

Maybe I’m wrong but I would think that in most cases, wallets behind the same router would most likely be owned by the same person.

Wrong.

[Uniqueorn]

I had no idea that talking about the single most pressing and confirmed issue in science in the recent decades would open a can of worms.

Let me first say:
I respect that there are people who have not read the scientific literature on the matter.
The "opponents" of global warming has managed to do a great job psychologically in making a lot of people believe that global warming is some sort of scam or somehow that it's just another hypothesis.
To me this is actually quite mindboggling with all the emperical data that exist and the borderline unprecedented consensus within the scientifiy community.
Even gravity is more controversial than global warming at this point, at least gravity is irreconcilable with relativistic quantum mechanics.
Proof of consensus on global warming and climate change: http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

So why do I mention this instead of just playing it neutral to not step anyone on their toes? Because it is real and I refuse to ignore this just because it "might" offend some redneck idiot because we might lose a few dollars over it. That is worse than what the banks is doing today, at least they just steal money and don't force people to remain ignorant and dumb.

As one of the guys who actually got into cryptos because I also actually believe in the need for change I will not piss on my principles.

But hey, I am not going to create the video so sure it's up for vote if we are going to include the fact that NXT is important due to the insane amounts of energy Bitcoin uses which is detrimental to the worlds ecosystem.

If you happen to lack knowledge about global warming and don't want it to be included: feel free to vote against it, since it's decentralized and democratic you have all the right to ignore reality.
But I honestly think it would be a much, much more honest and influential way to show just how important it is that a mining altcoin don't become THE FUTURE.

You do know that there is no original data don't you? How does one conduct science without data? How does one trust science without data? And that's just one thing that is B.S. about these so-called scientists.

I am sad that one of your "principles" is global warming, but if that is how you want to live then go for it. I am a little puzzled by your attraction to crypto-currency as the very nature of them will destroy your "principles" if successful. Only strong governments can enforce global warming taxes and fees. If these currencies help to hasten the demise of the Euro and the dollar, your "principles" will be defeated.

Further, you will be happy to know that over a decade ago all of the "scientists" said that if the world did not seriously address global warming by 2010 then it would be too late. So stop worrying -- your "principles" have been lost forever.  

To quote one of my favourite physicists, Wolfgang Pauli: "It is not only not right, it is not even wrong"

And original data, I'm not sure what you are referring to, but we have tons of original data from air pockets in the permafrost and treerings and so on if you were asking about original data about the atmosphere pre-our time.

[EvilDave]

I mades a fred:

The great Global Warming debate........

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433437.new#new

Go there, have fun.
The next person to mention GW gets a nasty look from me.

NXT should emphasise low energy consumption and emissions reduction, can we agree on that ?

[mezzovide]

I mades a fred:

The great Global Warming debate........

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433437.new#new

Go there, have fun.
The next person to mention GW gets a nasty look from me.

NXT should emphasise low energy consumption and emissions reduction, can we agree on that ?

agreed

[starik69]

So, why not making v dependent of the amount of fee somebody is willing to pay for it.

Because big stakeholder can easily forge his own transactions 

[NxtChg]

Also: no we are going to discuss this as it is also a part of our marketing strategy.

You can discuss it as much as you want in my ignore list.

[msin]

I mades a fred:

The great Global Warming debate........

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433437.new#new

Go there, have fun.
The next person to mention GW gets a nasty look from me.

NXT should emphasise low energy consumption and emissions reduction, can we agree on that ?

Yes, agreed, POW is not the future we want to be promoting, its like giving the World Cup to Qatar!

[ChuckOne]

So, why not making v dependent of the amount of fee somebody is willing to pay for it.

Because big stakeholder can easily forge his own transactions  

I therefore concluded to have a dedicated voting-fee distribution system.

Nxt is about distribution. The more the more robust, more reliable, more trustworthy etc. etc.


Anyway, I am interested in how a big shareholder could achieve what you said. The possibility seems quite low to me.

[extee]

the energy efficiency  it's not just about preserving our planet but also about having a system which costs less to run. sustainable from just end users devices.
energy and hardware costs endured by bitcoin miners will be passed onto users when coins start running out (through increased fees)
not to mention these mining corporations are becoming increasingly scary...and wouldn't be surprised to see mining corporations holding the bitcoin system  at ransom very soon.
.and be prepared for miners strikes!   (those are guaranteed!)
in other words not having to deal with miners is a godsend.
btw bitcoins carbon footprint if it was to become main currency of the world would be 3x worlds total....
people who till the other day were eco trendys....have become bitcoin trendys...and now all of a sudden they don't mind hashing our planet away.

[w4llace]

The next person to mention GW gets a nasty look from me.

You can give your nasty look to me  

I agree totally with Uniqueorn: Global Warming isn't a political belief or thesis, it's a fact and we should use the benefits of NXT for marketing and in discussions.

Just my 2 nxtoshis.

[loopgate88]

We are not in the business of politics yet. We're in the business of money and we should only compare the increased efficiency of PoS over PoW in money terms.
Peercoin has been playing the green spin game for a long time with only minimal success. This said, even they, who proudly display the green propaganda aren't as fast to associate themselves with global warming.
There is a reason for that.
There are certain politics a non niche business should always avoid. Among these is global warming. Another is nationality racial or religious preferences that are explicitly stated. There are many more, in fact the list of what not to associate yourself with its bigger than the opposite.
The incident that happened in the last few pages is an example of why certain things are avoided by the business world.
So now that, just like several of you, I was compelled to share my opinion after reading that someone was trying to go into the global warning business, I will leave this post at this hoping that I will not read about more people being added to ignore lists. Hoping that I don't read more about people's opinions on some business we have nothing to do with.

Just the same way we don't belong in politics, politics does not belong here.

Also for the confused, marketing = public relations = propaganda. So please don't find yourself offended by the term propaganda too because every business is in the business of that, they just call it PR.

[NxtChg]

Tiered voting weight by reputation

Tiered voting is not suited for all types of decisions, so we need both regular and tier voting.

[extee]

the only fact is that GW stopped since 15 years. since 1999 temperatures have not been rising and the arctic is at its largest in 50 years.
having said that preserving our planet and not exploiting its resources are a big deal to me.
so yeah there's no need to bring the GW BS into the agenda. it would only harm NXT.
keep it green but keep it factual.

[EvilDave]

The next person to mention GW gets a nasty look from me.

You can give your nasty look to me  

I agree totally with Uniqueorn: Global Warming isn't a political belief or thesis, it's a fact and we should use the benefits of NXT for marketing and in discussions.

Just my 2 nxtoshis.

<very evil glare in w4llaces direction> Go here:

I mades a fred:

The great Global Warming debate........

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433437.new#new

Go there, have fun.
The next person to mention GW gets a nasty look from me.

NXT should emphasise low energy consumption and emissions reduction, can we agree on that ?

[joefox]

cryptolife.net - In depth analysis nxt

Really terrible analysis. Please go there somebody and make order!

I responded cogently to his post, and he has not rebutted.  I can only take this to mean that he's accepted my responses.   He's responded EMOTIONALLY to people who have POSTED emotionally.  So.... don't do that.  Be rational, thank him for discussing Nxt, and offer to counter his critiques with better information.  Bashing him or his post does nobody any good.

[starik69]

The possibility seems quite low to me.

Look into the blockchain

[gs02xzz]

Funding request
Most of us agreed with the decision to have a paid 1 minute sponsor spot at the Let's talk Bitcoin

There will be also 4 new shows with sposor spots, but I wouldn't like to spend too much NXT.

We decided for: 1 minute long ad (=sponsor spot) at the main show for 3 months for 290k NXT (we can pay in BTC)

One stakeholder is willing to pay 1/3 of the NXT. Would anyone join him?

Could we spare some unclaimed coins for this advertisement?

Who wants details, I will send him them.

NxtMarketing account:

2037401990853753795

more info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4744614#msg4744614 + https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4744963#msg4744963

+1. I will chip in 1001 NXT, not much.