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May 04, 2013, 05:02:02 PM
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So we should see our coins showing up later today right?

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May 04, 2013, 05:06:32 PM
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So we should see our coins showing up later today right?

Yes it takes another 100-120 blocks for the generation shares to mature. I believe they come in in a steady stream throughout the round.

Are you using devda.ch or a the Devcoin client on your computer?

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May 04, 2013, 06:31:18 PM
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I just have a question about some articles that writers write on Devtome. Are the articles supposed to be purely factual information, or can the articles be about our own personal experiences. I was just wondering because I have come across some that have a lot of writing about personal experiences which would make it seem more like a blog instead of a wiki for information. Thanks for any help!

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May 04, 2013, 06:34:52 PM
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Well the shares are issued based upon how many valid articles (word count) are submitted. So both I suppose. I am goin to let unthinkinbit be referee on this though so he can throw flags on the play if needed.

I was going to use the shares, which are round(new words/1,000) - round(old words/1,000), but this is not precise and I have the weighted word count saved from around midnight:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_10000.csv

so the person with the highest extra words will get the tablet. In the unlikely chance that two writers have exactly the same number of extra words, the writer with the most words total will will win.

The lottery chance, for the second tablet, will be in proportion to the extra words. While both the bitcoin block hash and the megalotto are almost certainly fair random numbers for small prizes, the megalotto is easier to read, so I'd like to use the megalotto:
http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/

It's held on Tuesday and Friday, so after the first prize winner is declared, the next lotto after than would be used to determine the lottery winner. I could make a spreadsheet beforehand, so that as soon as the number is drawn, people will know who won.

By the way, whoever gets the first prize has a high chance of getting the second prize, and there's a diminishing return to sending someone two tablets. Should the lottery prize be drawn from everyone but the first prize winner?

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May 04, 2013, 06:35:06 PM
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So we should see our coins showing up later today right?

Yes it takes another 100-120 blocks for the generation shares to mature. I believe they come in in a steady stream throughout the round.

Are you using devda.ch or a the Devcoin client on your computer?
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May 04, 2013, 06:40:44 PM
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So we should see our coins showing up later today right?

Yes it takes another 100-120 blocks for the generation shares to mature. I believe they come in in a steady stream throughout the round.

Are you using devda.ch or a the Devcoin client on your computer?
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Me too - I think what is happening is we won't receive any coins until the generation shares have matured - as the web based wallet won't include incoming transactions that haven't yet "matured". This is what I am hoping as I didn't anticipate any problem. First generation shares should mature in 40 - 60 blocks - so about 10 hours if my calculations are correct.

If we haven't seen anything in 10 hours I will be contacting the devda dev.

That's all we can do for now. They really, really, really better come!!

UPDATE: sent myself a test transaction and it is looking fine - so the wallet is fine - apparently others have also used Devda wallet in the past for generation shares so I would say we are 90% should be ok.

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May 04, 2013, 06:57:19 PM
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More than four days have passed, so the portal bounty is now official:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg1968335#msg1968335

To summarize:

1) The portal page will be on its own domain, with many links from devcoin.org to devtome.

2) The site designer can pick a logo, when we vote for the official logo they will switch to the winner.

3) The bounty is 6 shares, then 3.

4) The ongoing maintenance bounty is 1/5 of a share. Once devtome gets advertising revenue, of the part going to writers according to page views, devcoin.org will get half that amount per page view. Also, devcoin.org should have non intrusive (no animation) advertising from devcoin businesses. Once there are twenty devcoin businesses, the advertising revenue from devtome would be stopped, and devcoin.org would have to rely on its own advertising.

Edit: two portals have been made:
http://www.devcoin.org/
http://show-me-the-devcoin.info/

so the portal bounty is finished.

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May 04, 2013, 07:06:03 PM
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Emfox made a devcoin faucet:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191553.0

I suggest an ongoing payment of 2/5 of a share to Emfox for running the faucet, and 2/5 of a share to the faucet itself. There is no plan to make a second bounty for another faucet, because that would just encourage people to hit both faucets, it would not lessen the administrative work from the first. If Emfox stops the faucet and someone else starts another, then the ongoing payment would be switched to the next faucet.

Any objections, or should something be changed?

Edit: There were no objections, so the payment is official.


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May 04, 2013, 07:21:42 PM
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Emfox made a devcoin faucet:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191553.0

I suggest an ongoing payment of 2/5 of a share to Emfox for running the faucet, and 2/5 of a share to the faucet itself. There is no plan to make a second bounty for another faucet, because that would just encourage people to hit both faucets, it would not lessen the administrative work from the first. If Emfox stops the faucet and someone else starts another, then the ongoing payment would be switched to the next faucet.

Any objections, or should something be changed?


I concur, good job btw emfox Smiley

Unthinkingbit, I commented somewhere back that the same person cannot win both so yes remove the first winner from the second list. First winner has an accessory they can choose to go with it.

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May 04, 2013, 07:31:31 PM
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More than four days have passed, so the portal bounty is now official:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg1968335#msg1968335

To summarize:

1) The portal page will be on its own domain, with many links from devcoin.org to devtome.

2) The site designer can pick a logo, when we vote for the official logo they will switch to the winner.

3) The bounty is 6 shares, then 3. Every month that it is not done it will increase by 2 and 1.

4) The ongoing maintenance bounty is 1/5 of a share. Once devtome gets advertising revenue, of the part going to writers according to page views, devcoin.org will get half that amount per page view. Also, devcoin.org should have non intrusive (no animation) advertising from devcoin businesses. Once there are twenty devcoin businesses, the advertising revenue from devtome would be stopped, and devcoin.org would have to rely on its own advertising.


Nice! I can do something with that... Maybe it'd be nice to postulate some common points, but it's also fine to rely everything to the designer's creativity.

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May 04, 2013, 08:16:35 PM
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so the shares from last round are going to be paid out evenly across the whole round and the signing bonusses are integrated in that? can somebody confirm this please?

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May 04, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
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so the shares from last round are going to be paid out evenly across the whole round and the signing bonusses are integrated in that? can somebody confirm this please?

The shares from round 22 will be paid out in the blocks 88000-91999. Each block pays out 50000 coins, 45000 of which go to generation shares (the other 5000 go to miners). The devtome page on Devcoin has more detailed info, but basically how it works is the list of addresses in the receiver file are paid out one at a time. I'm not sure if it's possible to predict exactly which blocks you will be paid out. But say you had 10 shares, and there were 100 shares, you'd expect to be paid every 10 blocks. Note that you will not receive the entirety of your shares until the last block (~92000), which I estimate (based on an average block time of 10min) will happen around the end of May.

More technical info here: http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#receiver_files

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May 04, 2013, 11:26:42 PM
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ok thanks for clarifying! i tried to understand it from the documentation but your explanation helped me more Wink

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May 05, 2013, 02:16:50 AM
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Leojane:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:leojane

has written more than a thousand words:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=cyprus_and_cryptocurrencies

and so got the ninth, two generation share signing bonus for writing:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#signing_bonus

There is now one, two share bonus remaining. The writer will also get earnings per word:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#earnings_per_word

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May 05, 2013, 02:18:19 AM
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LOL
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May 05, 2013, 03:15:40 AM
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If anyone wants to join a forum that has a section specifically for Devcoin, come over here Smiley :
http://homegrownsouth.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19

If everyone is thinking outside the box, there is a new box.
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May 05, 2013, 03:20:58 AM
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It picks a random lbock number at which to go get next set of receiver files, I think it would have been round 19 it would have already got before reaching block  76000, then sometime before block 8000 it would try to get round 20. Possibly block 76221 is the random block number at which it decided to do that.

Is the receivers list number 20 in the receiver subdirectory of the data directory?

Extra copies of receiver files lying around elsewhere it likely will not even be seeing, unless by change they happen to be in the directrory that was the program's "current working directory" when it was run. (In which case it should have copied them to the receiver directory of the data directory).

I guess with all the flavours of coins though there is always the weird times when people seem to end up deleting the blockchain and re-getting it from scratch. Hate to blindly try that without knowing the actual problem though.

Is there any clue in the debug.log file that is in the data directrory?

Does it write something to console maybe about files it got being identical or not?

Does it actually have connections? It is not some old version is it?

-MarkM-

Thanks for the help.

Devcoin didn't ever create a receiver directory in ~/Library/Application Support/Devcoin, although it did create an empty receiver directory in ~/Library/ApplicationSupport/Devcoin (missing a space). Is there any chance that devcoin can't handle spaces in the path to the receiver files?

I noticed lots of these messages towards the beginning of the log, but none have come up recently:

Code:
The file /Users/grc/Library/Application Support/Devcoin/receiver/receiver_19.csv can not be written to.
Warning, no coin lists were found for the file: receiver.csv

Is there meant to be a receiver.csv file? There are also thousands of 'got inventory: block _ have' messages in the log.

I have about 8 connections at the moment. The client looks old, but I haven't been able to find any newer devcoin clients. I think I got it here.

I'm happy to just download the blockchain again as long as I won't lose my address. Which files should I delete?

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May 05, 2013, 03:33:35 AM
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By receiver.cav it mean receiver_19.csv in this case. receiver.csv is just the base filename that the round number gets put into to name a specific instance of such files.

Apparently it either does not have write permission to write the file or the space in the path is making it maybe even think the directory it is to write the file to does not exist.

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May 05, 2013, 08:10:03 AM
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Apparently it either does not have write permission to write the file or the space in the path is making it maybe even think the directory it is to write the file to does not exist.

The current client can not handle spaces in the path, the next version should and hopefully it will be ready in a few weeks. You could try manually making a folder called 'receiver' in your .devcoin folder and copying all the receiver files into that. If that doesn't work, you could try putting the receiver files into the same folder which contains the devcoin executable.


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May 05, 2013, 11:01:02 AM
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Does the new receiver.h have this fix for spaces in paths?

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