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May 01, 2013, 01:18:21 PM
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What is going on with Devtome.com ? It is not responding it seems...

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It's up.

Yeah i was having issues connecting to it at points throughout today... but seems ok now.... will jkeep an eye on it, but what protection have we against a DDOS? not saying they will but incentive for people with large investment in writing to stop people from posting on the site for next few days so that the number of shares does not increase too much.... what would happen in such a situation?

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May 01, 2013, 01:23:37 PM
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What is going on with Devtome.com ? It is not responding it seems...

-MarkM-


It's up.

Yeah i was having issues connecting to it at points throughout today... but seems ok now.... will jkeep an eye on it, but what protection have we against a DDOS? not saying they will but incentive for people with large investment in writing to stop people from posting on the site for next few days so that the number of shares does not increase too much.... what would happen in such a situation?

Hmm if it becomes an issue we can move the site to the beast mode server. But I have nit been able to duplicate it so far. What time roughly was it.

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May 01, 2013, 01:54:47 PM
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When I posted.

It has come back since.

Meanwhile I went looking for Russians and Chinese in the Milieu, could not find any Russians but a few planets have Chinese on them, though on one they are "upstarts", meaning that some civilisation had a civil war and splinted and one of the parts it splitered into chose to call itself Chinese.

Freeciv has relatedness of some kind for civilisations, like each has a list of others that it will prefer to use for a splinter when it breaks apart due to civil war if they are not already in play on that planet, so part of the strategic concerns in choosing your nation is how likely it is that you will suddenly find yourself paying hosting for some splintered off part of some other nation somewhere that suffers a civil war. The added hosting cost due to suddenly finding you have people on some planet that have chosen your heritage to form themselves around as a new nation is balanced by the potential opportunities that might come with suddenly finding you have a foothold (however desperate a foothold, since the nation it splinted from maybe just had its capital captured to cause the civil war) on some other planet.

We call such sprung-up-from-civil-war nations "upstarts" in our notes to distinguish them from civilisations that existed on a planet since its inception.

The problem for the Chinese is all their presences seem to be tiny ones; even where they were one of the initial colonists of a planet and grew quite large they got chopped way down small, being merely artificial-intelligence-controlled, by whatever nation(s) on the planet with them were controlled by players, as the artificial intelligence, even in "expert" or even "experimental" mode, just cannot compete well against real human players.

So the big question becomes whether it is worth paying the price a political party needs to pay to control even such small presences; the fee by square miles of territory is only around a hundred bucks a month or less (or maybe a little more, I didn't add up all their presences yet) but is in arrears 17 months by now, so I would imagine players would be wondering whether there is some profit to be made that would make it worth their while to take control of the Chinese in the Galactic Milieu.

The Russians, if indeed they have no presence yet, would have it easier, as all they would need to do would be to bribe someone who has a unit of colonists and a starship to indoctrinate the unit of colonists as people who dearly wish to found a new nation based on the tales and traditions of the mythical "Russians" of the mythical "Planet known as Earth", and drop them off on some planet to build the capital city of a new nation to be called Russia...

...Or maybe they could look up which nations have Russians listed among the preferred civilisations to break up into when having a civil war, and bribe someone to go capture that nation's capital to trigger a civil war, hoping one of the pieces it breaks up into does indeed choose to call itself Russians...

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May 01, 2013, 05:10:57 PM
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Man... the DVC order book at vircurex is looking pretty stale.

Probably because it's so close to next payment, so everyone that got paid last time already did their Vircurex...
Wait till block 89000, I bet it goes crazy with DVC buying and selling.

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May 01, 2013, 05:14:36 PM
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Fheenix:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:fheenix

is trying to assemble the largest collection of alcoholic drink recipes on the net. He has written more than a thousand words:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=vodka
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=rum
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=bartending_guide
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=gin
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=tequila

and so got the seventh, two generation share signing bonus for writing:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#signing_bonus

There are now three, two share bonuses remaining. The writer will also get earnings per word:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#earnings_per_word


I started that list of recipes Smiley

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May 01, 2013, 06:07:24 PM
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I think there needs to be a "Devil Coin" symbol. That might help grab people's attention...

Like an upside down star, with a goats head with glowing red eyes, then -Coin Smiley

Does anyone else think this is a good idea? I think it would really appeal to rock/grunge/rage crowds.

But, it does have the downside of taboo association.
But the Christian media might advertise it by hating it openly Smiley

Also, on this thought. (I am just suggesting these things, I am in no way aligned with these people)

Since the Masonic groups are baphomet worshiping power mongers who are robbing regular citizens blind, maybe they will use the Devil coin in some way. They already use the pentagram Smiley

And not just the masonic groups, any other Crowley-ians.

And the FOLKS nation, they are a nation that may want to use it, and their are millions of them all over America.

And there are plenty of semi Christian groups that call themselves "Satanists" and stuff, they aren't neccisarily bad people, but they would probably love to use this coin to scare Christians.
A few years back they discovered the devils number might be 616, not 666. They interviewed a high priest of a "satanic" church about the switch and if they would be switching, and he said they will use "Whatever number scares the Christians."

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May 01, 2013, 06:39:09 PM
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I suggest once the error recovery and robustness is improved, another 6 share bounty be awarded.

Twobits improved receiver.h a lot, his file is at:
https://www.box.com/s/7mfl6mkogo4067qi15yc

and once Mark tests it in his reference build, I will copy it to the reference receiver.h:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/receiver.h

For this Twobits gets the 6 share robustness award. Also Marticps quickly provided resized tweaked graphics for the builds, so he'll gets one share for graphics tweaking. Both awards are in the round 23 bounty file:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_23.csv

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May 01, 2013, 06:50:39 PM
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Is there no syntax for devtome to italicize a whole paragraph?

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May 01, 2013, 06:56:43 PM
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Is there no syntax for devtome to italicize a whole paragraph?
''like this''
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:syntax

(edit: btw think I misunderstood your orderbook point - went off on a tangent)

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May 01, 2013, 07:01:15 PM
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Is there no syntax for devtome to italicize a whole paragraph?
''like this''
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:syntax

Yea I figured it out, I was using actual quotations instead of ''blhfjdskl fsjklsd ''

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May 01, 2013, 10:08:13 PM
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Man... the DVC order book at vircurex is looking pretty stale.

Probably because it's so close to next payment, so everyone that got paid last time already did their Vircurex...
Wait till block 89000, I bet it goes crazy with DVC buying and selling.

FYI, round 22 starts paying out at block 88000 and round 23 (the current round) starts paying out at block 92000. Block 89000 is just when submissions for round 23 stop being accepted (and for round 24 open).

Maybe I should make a devtome page explaining this.

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May 01, 2013, 10:14:21 PM
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Man... the DVC order book at vircurex is looking pretty stale.

Probably because it's so close to next payment, so everyone that got paid last time already did their Vircurex...
Wait till block 89000, I bet it goes crazy with DVC buying and selling.

FYI, round 22 starts paying out at block 88000 and round 23 (the current round) starts paying out at block 92000. Block 89000 is just when submissions for round 23 stop being accepted (and for round 24 open).

Maybe I should make a devtome page explaining this.

Nice.

I thought payout was gonna be around 95, 92 is WAY better Smiley

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May 02, 2013, 02:35:42 AM
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It has been abnormally quiet on here today. I guess everyone is busy writing away in hopes of getting that tablet from jasinlee lol.

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May 02, 2013, 02:38:12 AM
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It has been abnormally quiet on here today. I guess everyone is busy writing away in hopes of getting that tablet from jasinlee lol.

I didn't know he was giving away a tablet. That means people are gonna be writing like crazy.
And actually, all the DVC threads have been pretty quiet.

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May 02, 2013, 02:43:54 AM
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I suggest a 6 then 3 bounty.
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I suggest 2 then 1 for the next two exchanges.
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I suggest 2 then 1 for all other coin options.
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I suggest the typical hosting maintenance of 1/5 of a share ongoing, for the first two sites.

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I was not careful when I wrote the share amounts, and I was wrong, they were too high.

This is my estimate for how much a bounty should be for. In general I think a share should be for ten hours work. With bounties there is a chance the project won't succeed, or that someone else will claim it first. Assuming a one in two chance that the project would will not succeed, that brings it to two shares for ten hours of work. A chance that someone else will claim the bounty and so the developer has say a 45% chance of getting first prize, a 45% chance of getting the second half prize, and a 10% chance of getting nothing, that means the expected return is 0.45 + 0.45 * 0.5 = 0.675, this would bring it to 2.97 shares for ten hours work.
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Bounties will be around 3 shares for ten hours of expected, sustainable work. This is work time including eating, breaks, etc.., if pure coding time is given, that amount is doubled. I asked Gweedo and Metazilla how much time they spent on the ticker, the sustainable average ended up being around 18 hours. This gives a total of 18 / 10 * 3 shares = 5.4 shares (27/5 shares). The second place if half that 13.5/5, which rounded up is 14/5.

They both also get 1/5 of a share for maintenance as long as they keep hosting their tickers. They will get this in round 23:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_23.csv


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May 02, 2013, 03:04:08 AM
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It has been abnormally quiet on here today. I guess everyone is busy writing away in hopes of getting that tablet from jasinlee lol.

I didn't know he was giving away a tablet. That means people are gonna be writing like crazy.
And actually, all the DVC threads have been pretty quiet.

Check it out here: https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.60.html

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May 02, 2013, 03:10:23 AM
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In future, if the devcoin market capitalization stays over 1 million for at least a week, then we can fund bigger bounties, for small applications and modifications to big applications, stuff that could take a month of work:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty#capitalization_1_000_000_usd

For those bigger bounties, I plan on asking devcoin citizens (people who received coins from generation in this round or the previous round), to describe projects directly, then vote on them with 0 to 99 range voting:
http://rangevoting.org/Why99.html

The top three projects would get major bounties (close to 1% of the market capitalization), and the next three would get medium bounties (half that size). If at least one of the projects is successful and there is not too much controversy over awards, we'll have another round.
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Our market capitalization has now been over a million bucks for over a week. Over the last week the bitcoin price has been usually over 120$, given about 4,350 million devcoins over that time, for the capitalization to be at least 1 million, the price has to be at least 1,000,000$ / 120 $/btc / 4,350 Mdvc = 1.92 btc/Mdvc. The price has been over that since at least April 24, 4h:
http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/period-charts.php?period=10-days&resolution=hour&pair=dvc-btc&market=vircurex

After thinking about the bounties, I realized that it would make follow up rounds complicated if there were two sizes of bounties, so there will only be 5 bounties, all the same size. Also, five bounties of close to 1% capitalization, including the second half bounty would be too expensive, so they'll be medium bounties of 12 shares, then 6 for second. Because there are more citizens now than when the original was posted, citizens can only propose two projects so as not to overload the voters. To encourage people to submit bounties which are achievable, and to pay people for their ideas, whoever proposes a bounty which is later awarded gets 2 shares.

Please post your project ideas and suggestions about the process in the devcoin ventures thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=193054.0

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May 02, 2013, 04:20:51 AM
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I've got TONS of Devcoin projects in mind Smiley

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May 02, 2013, 04:24:14 AM
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Because of the rapid devcoin growth, the administrators are doing much more than the ten hours of work per month that we're being paid for. In round 22, four full administrators are being paid a share each, so 4 shares for administrators, out of a total of 125 shares, roughly 3.2%. If devcoin grows quickly we'll have more developers to eventually draw administrators from, but we'll also have more developers so administrators will still be working more than 10 hours a month. On the other hand, while administration work is necessary, a frugal organization should not pay administrators more than 10% of the revenue.

I suggest that administrators get paid two shares, unless that puts the total administrator pay above 10%, in which case the administrators would get 1 share. This way, if we ever get enough administrators, and so each has less work to do, our pay would go down accordingly. This would be done automatically by account.py, which would check if the administrators were paid more than 10% in the previous round.

Are there any objections, or should something be changed?

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Because of the rapid devcoin growth, the administrators are doing much more than the ten hours of work per month that we're being paid for. In round 22, four full administrators are being paid a share each, so 4 shares for administrators, out of a total of 125 shares, roughly 3.2%. If devcoin grows quickly we'll have more developers to eventually draw administrators from, but we'll also have more developers so administrators will still be working more than 10 hours a month. On the other hand, while administration work is necessary, a frugal organization should not pay administrators more than 10% of the revenue.

I suggest that administrators get paid two shares, unless that puts the total administrator pay above 10%, in which case the administrators would get 1 share. This way, if we ever get enough administrators, and so each has less work to do, our pay would go down accordingly. This would be done automatically by account.py, which would check if the administrators were paid more than 10% in the previous round.

Are there any objections, or should something be changed?


2 shares seems fair, because I think Devtome is going to get A LOT more attention over the next few months... http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_advertising_campaign
Maybe even more than just 2 shares in later rounds...

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