Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

[Nemo1024]

Then, by all means, defend them, with weighted and objective arguments and facts, and we can have a civilised discussion with possible counter-arguments.

The only kind of "defence" I've seen so far (in other places) were abusive remarks. Even during Geneva meeting US had little to produce in terms of evidence save "they in Ukraine use Russian-made weapons" Really? Did they expect something else?

I try to publish here news, translated from Russian, news, which are not readily available in the Western media, which are pretty one-sided in their presentation of events. I feel that it is Russia and Ukraine that needs defending at this point in time...

[hdbuck]

I still find it shocking that basically this thread has turned into a complete pro-Russian propaganda machine. I am not saying either side is fully innocent here but I am pretty disturbed that every time I view the updates on this thread it's just more of the same with no one really defending the Ukrainian and/or US/Europe positions.

Thats just foolish to think it has anything to do with ukranians. Its about power and control.

[myself]

no one really defending the Ukrainian and/or US/Europe positions.

US & co did lose all moral ground step by step in the past decades nobody will defend them and then get crushed with all the crap since ww2

[bryant.coleman]

Protesters still holding their positions in Slovyansk, despite the military intervention from Kiev:

[Wilikon]

This just fell from sky in Slaviansk. 1000s of pro-Ukraine leaflets warning “Don’t come near govt buildings.”

[Balthazar]

Lol, leaflets from the sky...

pro-Ukraine leaflets warning “Don’t come near govt buildings.”

Not only that. It also contains a bullshit like "Terrorists have got an order to kill everybody who stands for the government". Goebbels methods haven't been forgotten.  

[bryant.coleman]

Lol, leaflets from the sky...

pro-Ukraine leaflets warning “Don’t come near govt buildings.”

What? Are they going to bomb the government buildings? If something like that happens, then Putin will be forced to send his troops to teh Donbass, even if he doesn't wants to do that.

[pinky]

Lol, leaflets from the sky...

pro-Ukraine leaflets warning “Don’t come near govt buildings.”

What? Are they going to bomb the government buildings? If something like that happens, then Putin will be forced to send his troops to teh Donbass, even if he doesn't wants to do that.

I don't think so, but during the night might happen quick attack with special forces. On the other hand we don't know what instructions were passed by McCain and CIA to the Kiev, they sure wan't war with Russia.

[bryant.coleman]

I don't think so, but during the night might happen quick attack with special forces. On the other hand we don't know what instructions were passed by McCain and CIA to the Kiev, they sure wan't war with Russia.

OK... so things will get clearer in a few hours. Right now it is 8:30 PM Ukrainian time. The attack may begin within 2 or 3 hours from now. The Russian troops across the border are already conducting military drills. So by tomorrow morning, either Donbass will be firmly within the hands of the Kiev junta, or Ukraine will lose Donetsk and Lugansk for ever.

[Nemo1024]

Lol, leaflets from the sky...

pro-Ukraine leaflets warning “Don’t come near govt buildings.”

Not only that. It also contains a bullshit like "Terrorists have got an order to kill everybody who stands for the government". Goebbels methods haven't been forgotten.  

I could translate the whole bloody thing if there is interest for it, but it's just a lot of BS that would have made Goebbels proud. The word "terrorist" is all over the place.

In short:
1. Don't come close to the fronts of the occupied buildings, where meetings take place - you'll become a live shield and then a hostage of Russian special forces. And Russia wants nothing more than juicy blood-filled pictures to show on their TVs.
2. Don't listen to those who advocate federalisation or separatism.
3. If you see people of sporty body build or in military attire, or people of all ages carrying food heading to the occupied buildings, immediately inform the army or other authorities by hotline
4. Don't enlist into any spontaneously forming squads. Russian special forces will use it against you and blackmail you.
5. Avoid mass gatherings of people.
Keep your loved ones from participating in mass meetings of anti-Ukrainian nature and supporting terrorists.
Following these rules you will save yourselves and your region!!!


This is like Dr.Breen's speech. "Welcome to City 17, it's safe here..."

[bryant.coleman]

Can't stop laughing after reading this:

Ukraine gives Russia 48 hours to explain and give details of military exercises near border

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/24/us-ukraine-crisis-explanation-idUSBREA3N1NY20140424

[Balthazar]

Can't stop laughing after reading this:

Ukraine gives Russia 48 hours to explain and give details of military exercises near border

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/24/us-ukraine-crisis-explanation-idUSBREA3N1NY20140424

Possible answers:

- We're planning a referendum tomorrow.
- We have to help our brothers to establish a democracy.
- We want to kick your asses because we've got tired of your BS.
- Please find a lawyer, first session of tribunal on your case is planned at Monday, 4:45 PM.
...

[Paya]

Those Russian units on exercises are fully armed and supplied, on the move and can transform into the attacking force very quickly, crossing the border in an hour or two. I'm afraid that we are now very close to serious conflict  

[bryant.coleman]

Ukraine: Checkpoint near Slavyansk is set on fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVJBym70guA

[Nemo1024]

Can't stop laughing after reading this:

Ukraine gives Russia 48 hours to explain and give details of military exercises near border

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/24/us-ukraine-crisis-explanation-idUSBREA3N1NY20140424

...but only after Ukraine explains it's military movements against its own citizens.

[anatolikostis]

Can't stop laughing after reading this:

Ukraine gives Russia 48 hours to explain and give details of military exercises near border

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/24/us-ukraine-crisis-explanation-idUSBREA3N1NY20140424

...but only after Ukraine explains it's military movements against its own citizens.

its own?


Kramatorsk  


they aren`t ukrainian citizens!
It is about 100miles from me to Slavyansk, people are afraid.


Balthazar aren`t the citizen of Ukraine, so I`m!

[bryant.coleman]

Meanwhile... life goes on in the protester-setup checkpoints of Slavyansk.

[bryant.coleman]

Protesters in Ukraine guard biggest weapons cache in eastern Europe

When pro-Russia protesters stormed a police station in Slavyansk, in eastern Ukraine, they seized several hundred firearms. They also took control of the biggest weapons cache in eastern Europe, which lies beneath their feet. Since March a group of protesters have been guarding the entrance to the Volodarsky salt mine, which holds an underground collection of at least a million firearms ranging from first world war heavy machine guns to Soviet-era Kalashnikovs.

[Nemo1024]

Balthazar aren`t the citizen of Ukraine, so I`m!

anatolikostis, why have you not posted here earlier? It would have been interesting to read first-person accounts of events along with images and videos that you could have taken on the spot.

[bryant.coleman]

A right message to the Kiev junta!