Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[JSRAW]

PS : Never put "shining the ball" and "tempering the ball" at the same bracket as both are different things, Ball tempering happens when players disturbs rough part of the ball (Warner-Smith saga) or intentionally remove the seam(rare)

This is where I always get in to fight with you. Nowhere in the laws of cricket, it is written that saliva is permissible. As per the laws, all forms of ball tampering is illegal. Now the laws are being interpreted in a way, to make saliva legal and other substances such as vaseline and sandpaper illegal. Let the ICC update this contentious rule. Let them specify that saliva is permitted and other substances are not.

Anyway the ICC makes new rules and update the old ones every now and then.

Its true that there is no mention of Saliva in the rule book but shining the ball is allowed according to the rules, players can't use additional substance tho (Ex : Jelly beans) and its mutual understanding among all teams and ICC that players can use Saliva for shining.

Don't you think that every rule in cricket already favoring the batsmen and by banning this option they are literally crippling the bowlers? I wouldn't mind if they ban this or not but if they are doing it then they should also consider (1)2-3 bouncers in every over, (2)make minimum boundary size atleast 70 cm, (3) reduce the width of the bat. Give bowlers some chance to compete in modern cricket if not then use bowling machine instead of treating fast bowlers as cheap labours .

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^^^ It is surprising that you think the bowlers are not capable of taking wickets without the usage of saliva. Only a minority of the bowlers use saliva or any other substance to get swing. There are a lot of good bowlers who can swing the ball naturally, just using the ground conditions. Usage of saliva puts these bowlers at a severe disadvantage.

There are different factors that aide the swing, why do you think it is impossible to swing the ball in subcontinent conditions until the ball gets old, when you take a global approach a minority is playing cricket but anyone who plays cricket with a leather ball they use saliva to shine to ball.

Hope you are aware that you are not able to use any other objects to clean the ball other than saliva and it is not a new phenomena and if you ban the use the bowlers will be at an disadvantage.

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PS : Never put "shining the ball" and "tempering the ball" at the same bracket as both are different things, Ball tempering happens when players disturbs rough part of the ball (Warner-Smith saga) or intentionally remove the seam(rare)

It is a good demonstration on how swing works, i do not understand why they have no idea about swing and what is the importance of shining one part of the ball.

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This is where I always get in to fight with you. Nowhere in the laws of cricket, it is written that saliva is permissible. As per the laws, all forms of ball tampering is illegal. Now the laws are being interpreted in a way, to make saliva legal and other substances such as vaseline and sandpaper illegal. Let the ICC update this contentious rule. Let them specify that saliva is permitted and other substances are not.

Anyway the ICC makes new rules and update the old ones every now and then.

Hope you understand that the use of saliva is banned because of the Corona situation. The history of using saliva will be as long as they started playing cricket.

[JSRAW]

ICC already gave verdict on Saliva ban or any kind of additional substance for "Shine the ball". They went one step ahead by saying that repeated use of saliva will lead to 5 runs penalty to the fielding side.

Meanwhile...Tendulkar suggests use of new ball every 45-50 overs

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ICC already gave verdict on Saliva ban or any kind of additional substance for "Shine the ball". They went one step ahead by saying that repeated use of saliva will lead to 5 runs penalty to the fielding side.

The camera will be focusing on seeing someone polishing the ball using saliva  . May be the third umpire will be monitoring all those activities to award 5 runs if they ever use saliva, hope they do not change the ball every time they think there is saliva in the ball  .
 

Meanwhile... Tendulkar suggests use of new ball every 45-50 overs[/b][/url]

We need to forget about reverse swing if they change the ball by 45 overs and with no way to shine the ball it is going to be difficult for the bowlers. Batsman might average 60 plus during these period.

[Vishnu.Reang]

ICC already gave verdict on Saliva ban or any kind of additional substance for "Shine the ball". They went one step ahead by saying that repeated use of saliva will lead to 5 runs penalty to the fielding side.

Meanwhile...Tendulkar suggests use of new ball every 45-50 overs

This is a temporary rule, or a permanent one? I hope that the saliva ban is a permanent one and the practice won't return after the COVID 19 pandemic gets contained in major cricket playing nations. Anyway, I am not sure whether this is practical. They need to monitor all the 11 fielders, and one person (the third umpire) may not be able to do that alone.

[Swordsoffreedom]

ICC already gave verdict on Saliva ban or any kind of additional substance for "Shine the ball". They went one step ahead by saying that repeated use of saliva will lead to 5 runs penalty to the fielding side.

Meanwhile...Tendulkar suggests use of new ball every 45-50 overs

This is a temporary rule, or a permanent one? I hope that the saliva ban is a permanent one and the practice won't return after the COVID 19 pandemic gets contained in major cricket playing nations. Anyway, I am not sure whether this is practical. They need to monitor all the 11 fielders, and one person (the third umpire) may not be able to do that alone.

The International Cricket Council (ICC) on Tuesday announced a temporary ban on the use of saliva on the ball before it resumes next month after a long shutdown.
A controversial rule change during the coronavirus epidemic could change the way cricket is played, as it will benefit the batsmen more. The bowlers had the advantage of swinging the ball with saliva.
Cricketers use saliva or sweat to shine on one side of a leather ball for long periods of time, helping fast bowlers to move in the air as well as create more swings in the air.

[JSRAW]

ICC already gave verdict on Saliva ban or any kind of additional substance for "Shine the ball". They went one step ahead by saying that repeated use of saliva will lead to 5 runs penalty to the fielding side.

The camera will be focusing on seeing someone polishing the ball using saliva  . May be the third umpire will be monitoring all those activities to award 5 runs if they ever use saliva, hope they do not change the ball every time they think there is saliva in the ball  .

Talked about this couple of time "Monitoring Players" in case of "Saliva ban" so quoting myself.

Normally, Polishing the ball job is fixed for Mid off,Mid on and covers fielders. Cameras already keeps eye on them but if this "Ball tampering rule" gets approval from the ICC then we can expect strict surveillance, like 10 cameras following the ball religiously from every angle including umpires, sounds logical to me.

Meanwhile... Tendulkar suggests use of new ball every 45-50 overs[/b][/url]

We need to forget about reverse swing if they change the ball by 45 overs and with no way to shine the ball it is going to be difficult for the bowlers. Batsman might average 60 plus during these period.

True, no reverse swing but New ball got its perks and if bowlers gets new ball after every 45-50 overs then they are very much in the game and on some case very lethal if fast bowlers are good.

This is a temporary rule, or a permanent one?

As far as i can tell its temporary due to pandemic.

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Normally, Polishing the ball job is fixed for Mid off,Mid on and covers fielders. Cameras already keeps eye on them but if this "Ball tampering rule" gets approval from the ICC then we can expect strict surveillance, like 10 cameras following the ball religiously from every angle including umpires, sounds logical to me.

What ever it may be the situation everything is a bit messy, players will do some sort or the other to shine the ball and rewarding 5 runs under the assumption that they used saliva, to be frank it is a thin line.

Lets see what is going to happen and how many conservatory we are going to see regarding this. I am sure this will end up messy.

This is a temporary rule, or a permanent one?

As far as i can tell its temporary due to pandemic.

A rule set once set is hard to change but i am sure this is a temporary one.

[JSRAW]

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What ever it may be the situation everything is a bit messy, players will do some sort or the other to shine the ball and rewarding 5 runs under the assumption that they used saliva, to be frank it is a thin line.

Lets see what is going to happen and how many conservatory we are going to see regarding this. I am sure this will end up messy.

For the record you messed up with the quotes and quoting your own reply please check and correct it hehehe  

Yeah bit messy arrangement as players might end up using saliva unintentionally due to old habits.

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For the record you messed up with the quotes and quoting your own reply please check and correct it hehehe  

Yeah bit messy arrangement as players might end up using saliva unintentionally due to old habits.

Yesterday night had a huge party and the hangover is still there and yet to have food  .

There will be many controversies in this rule because of the 5 run penalty which is really absurd. If everyone is tested there is no point in implementing this rule and on top of it the 5 runs is just too much and it will cause tensions in the middle because of the reasons you mentioned. It was a normal thing that was going on for decades and now all of a sudden you ban a move will end up messy.

[Vishnu.Reang]

The latest news from BCCI is that the Indian tour of Sri Lanka is called off (originally scheduled for June-July). This series was not very important for the BCCI, but the SLCB will be furious about it. They are already facing financial issues and the cancellation of the tour is going to hit them hard. They were hoping that the BCCI would just postpone the tour, and not cancel it altogether.

[JSRAW]

The latest news from BCCI is that the Indian tour of Sri Lanka is called off (originally scheduled for June-July). This series was not very important for the BCCI, but the SLCB will be furious about it. They are already facing financial issues and the cancellation of the tour is going to hit them hard. They were hoping that the BCCI would just postpone the tour, and not cancel it altogether.

They play enough cricket with each others so that's fine and i guess SLC board also understand that. BCCI and SLC board's relations are like that - whenever they gets bored, they play dead series-

[pakhitheboss]

The latest news from BCCI is that the Indian tour of Sri Lanka is called off (originally scheduled for June-July). This series was not very important for the BCCI, but the SLCB will be furious about it. They are already facing financial issues and the cancellation of the tour is going to hit them hard. They were hoping that the BCCI would just postpone the tour, and not cancel it altogether.

What is happening in not intended as the current situation makes it? Money grossing IPL is still in a dilemma no one knows it will happen! But, if the boards take it as an issue then it is their issue.

I do not blame the board but the condition in the subcontinent is pretty bad and every day it is becoming worst for everyone living there.

I am sure they will do a favor for the Srilankan cricket team later on when things are quite normal.

[BitSat19]

The latest news from BCCI is that the Indian tour of Sri Lanka is called off (originally scheduled for June-July). This series was not very important for the BCCI, but the SLCB will be furious about it. They are already facing financial issues and the cancellation of the tour is going to hit them hard. They were hoping that the BCCI would just postpone the tour, and not cancel it altogether.

What is happening in not intended as the current situation makes it? Money grossing IPL is still in a dilemma no one knows it will happen! But, if the boards take it as an issue then it is their issue.

I do not blame the board but the condition in the subcontinent is pretty bad and every day it is becoming worst for everyone living there.

I am sure they will do a favor for the Srilankan cricket team later on when things are quite normal.

In current situation its going to be just political game by BCCI and Ganguly because Government never allow them try to host this even many players will never try to travel right now India is on top as cases increasing here so its never been ideal situation for them even in next few months.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong. As far as I know, no international cricket matches are scheduled for this month. The next scheduled match is on 8th July, when the first test match between England and West Indies will be played. Or have I missed anything? After a break of more than three months, we'll be able to watch live action in less than four weeks.

[JSRAW]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong. As far as I know, no international cricket matches are scheduled for this month. The next scheduled match is on 8th July, when the first test match between England and West Indies will be played. Or have I missed anything? After a break of more than three months, we'll be able to watch live action in less than four weeks.

Yeah, first game Eng vs Windies, Pakistan playing few tests and T-20 against England after this. then we have Zim, windies, Afghanistan, India tour of Australia. More games should be lined up for other teams but no-one declared their schedule.

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Edit : One more month fellas....
ECB announces schedule of three closed-door Tests against WI

"Proposed Tour Schedule

First Test: July 8-12, Ageas Bowl Southampton

Second Test: July 16-20, Old Trafford Manchester

Third Test: July 24-28, Old Trafford Manchester"

[Vishnu.Reang]

^^^ LOL... the West Indians are claiming that playing without the crowd can help them, as the England players will be demoralized without the support from their fans. I don't know how much of it is true. Even without the crowd, England would be at an advantage as a result of familiar ground conditions and weather. And I am afraid that West Indies have performed poorly in tests for sometime now.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/west-indies-tour-of-england-no-fans-help-us-phil-simmons-1688876-2020-06-14

[JSRAW]

^^^ LOL... the West Indians are claiming that playing without the crowd can help them, as the England players will be demoralized without the support from their fans. I don't know how much of it is true. Even without the crowd, England would be at an advantage as a result of familiar ground conditions and weather. And I am afraid that West Indies have performed poorly in tests for sometime now.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/west-indies-tour-of-england-no-fans-help-us-phil-simmons-1688876-2020-06-14

This statement sounds logical for the ashes series, where spectators and players sledge each others all the time but for this series Meh!

Its home ground for England so they have edge due to obvious reason. Last time Windies humiliated English team in their backyard now its England's turn.

[Vishnu.Reang]

This statement sounds logical for the ashes series, where spectators and players sledge each others all the time but for this series Meh!

Its home ground for England so they have edge due to obvious reason. Last time Windies humiliated English team in their backyard now its England's turn.

England is in much better shape now, and in all probability they'll extract revenge against the West Indians. West Indies have toured England dozens of times. But the 2000 series is still fresh in my mind. Back then, West Indies had players such as Courtney Walsh, Sir Curtly Ambrose, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Brian Lara and Chris Gayle. Perhaps that squad was the strongest ever sent to England by West Indies. But despite that, they lost the series to England 1-3.

[Juggy777]

^^^ LOL... the West Indians are claiming that playing without the crowd can help them, as the England players will be demoralized without the support from their fans. I don't know how much of it is true. Even without the crowd, England would be at an advantage as a result of familiar ground conditions and weather. And I am afraid that West Indies have performed poorly in tests for sometime now.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/west-indies-tour-of-england-no-fans-help-us-phil-simmons-1688876-2020-06-14

This statement sounds logical for the ashes series, where spectators and players sledge each others all the time but for this series Meh!

Its home ground for England so they have edge due to obvious reason. Last time Windies humiliated English team in their backyard now its England's turn.

England is in much better shape now, and in all probability they'll extract revenge against the West Indians. West Indies have toured England dozens of times. But the 2000 series is still fresh in my mind. Back then, West Indies had players such as Courtney Walsh, Sir Curtly Ambrose, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Brian Lara and Chris Gayle. Perhaps that squad was the strongest ever sent to England by West Indies. But despite that, they lost the series to England 1-3.

@vishnu.reang I believe that West Indies are showing signs of over confidence and arrogance with their statements, and this is not a good sign for them as their sole priority should be on winning the upcoming series, rather than indulging in unwanted banter with the England player's. @JSRAW yea it’s obvious that England will start as the favourites due to the home ground advantage, but it’s pertinent to note that both sides player’s will be rusty too, as they haven’t played competitive cricket in quiet a while now, hence anything can happen in this series.

Sources:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29292914/jason-holder-says-world-come-together-west-indies-arrive-historic-tour