Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[Sithara007]

Broad and Anderson must retire as they have played enough cricket and should give chance to new talent. England team is just like Mumbai Indian they have a good captain like Root but no team. It will now take some years before England can have strong test team.

I disagree. Age should not be a factor here. If the younger bowlers like Woakes, Robinson, Overton, Mahmood and Wood have the ability to replace Broad or Anderson on merit, then I don't have a problem in dropping these two senior bowlers. But it looks as if that is not the case. The ECB doesn't have any real excuse to drop them, apart from the age factor. And trust me, if any of the younger bowlers I mentioned earlier had at least 50% of the capability of James Anderson, I would have supported the decision from the ECB.

[onecall123]

As a result of a magnificent Test series win over England, West Indies will participate in the remaining matches for the 2023 World Test Championship. West Indies' experience was a great start to their WTC23 journey. At home, they were much more determined than England. However, will they continue to dominate including away series against South Africa and tournament leaders Australia?

[wiss19]

Broad and Anderson must retire as they have played enough cricket and should give chance to new talent. England team is just like Mumbai Indian they have a good captain like Root but no team. It will now take some years before England can have strong test team.

You are completely wrong in this case, if these both bowlers are giving their best and fit for selection, then surely there is no reason to retire. They can play as they are fit for England, age is never been a factor for any player.

About England It's already talked many times on different forums their complete system need some good surgery because they are running this from many decades, and now It's already badly collapsed which need good changes, and then they can do some good in coming days otherwise they never have any ideal team and good players like Australia which is currently best in business just because of their dedication and investments which are giving them good dividend.

Here in this case not only England, many other teams and boards also need to have their system overhaul like them and bring some good quality which must for right now if you want to stay in good position.

[coinism]

You are completely wrong in this case, if these both bowlers are giving their best and fit for selection, then surely there is no reason to retire. They can play as they are fit for England, age is never been a factor for any player.

About England It's already talked many times on different forums their complete system need some good surgery because they are running this from many decades, and now It's already badly collapsed which need good changes, and then they can do some good in coming days otherwise they never have any ideal team and good players like Australia which is currently best in business just because of their dedication and investments which are giving them good dividend.

Though Anderson and Broad are both fit but still ECB need to find suitable replacement for both these players as they both have reached maximum age of retirement. Right now England test team as a whole is under crisis, they don't only lack in pace attack but also in batting.

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Stuart Broad seems front runner but i guess he's 35-ish already so imo it would be short term gig for him. This won't be a bad choice for short term if he's captaining the team for full home season because he can get into the playing XI without any fuss. At the same time management can groom some one else for future, may be Burns, Ben Foakes? I still don't understand why Broad was dropped from the team in the first place.

Most of the time i really do not understand their rotation policy and how they pick the players to rest, i understand that it helps prolong their career but they need to start grooming young players. Stuart Broad should be the captain now and once Ben Stokes is fit enough to lead the country i am sure he will take over because majority of the former captains wants to see Ben Stokes as the captain.

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Broad and Anderson must retire as they have played enough cricket and should give chance to new talent. England team is just like Mumbai Indian they have a good captain like Root but no team. It will now take some years before England can have strong test team.

As long as they are performing what is the point in retiring. They do not have a strike bowler who could replace both these players and until then they will continue until they are fit to play Test matches.

[blatchcorn]

As long as they are performing what is the point in retiring. They do not have a strike bowler who could replace both these players and until then they will continue until they are fit to play Test matches.

They both are over 38 years and that's not the age for fast bowler to play a test match. If ECB keep on relying on these aged players and don't wanna move to young talent that can serve them for next 10 to 15 years then things will get more tough for them in the long run.

[Swordsoffreedom]

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Broad and Anderson must retire as they have played enough cricket and should give chance to new talent. England team is just like Mumbai Indian they have a good captain like Root but no team. It will now take some years before England can have strong test team.

As long as they are performing what is the point in retiring. They do not have a strike bowler who could replace both these players and until then they will continue until they are fit to play Test matches.

I also agree that as long as a player is performing well I don't think there is any reason for him to retire. it's not like the player is not bowling well at all at the moment. actually, I think he is still a very important player for the England team and contributes really often.

At the moment to be honest I don't think there is anything interesting about this  England cricket team because there is no youngster that it can be said we'll carry on The Legacy of the England cricket team.

I still remember the time when Joe Root came into the England cricket team. he has matured a lot and also got better. and in my opinion, he was also nurtured really well. we need a lot more players like him in the England cricket team.

[Iranus]

Broad and Anderson must retire as they have played enough cricket and should give chance to new talent. England team is just like Mumbai Indian they have a good captain like Root but no team. It will now take some years before England can have strong test team.

You are completely wrong in this case, if these both bowlers are giving their best and fit for selection, then surely there is no reason to retire. They can play as they are fit for England, age is never been a factor for any player.

About England It's already talked many times on different forums their complete system need some good surgery because they are running this from many decades, and now It's already badly collapsed which need good changes, and then they can do some good in coming days otherwise they never have any ideal team and good players like Australia which is currently best in business just because of their dedication and investments which are giving them good dividend.

Here in this case not only England, many other teams and boards also need to have their system overhaul like them and bring some good quality which must for right now if you want to stay in good position.

I really don't understand why a player would need to retire if they are performing well for the team? And obviously, if a new bowler or any young talent can prove to be better than them I think there will obviously be given a chance to prove themselves.

Both of these bowlers are really great and still performing well in my opinion. I don't see there is any reason for them to retire but I obviously think that England should also manage their youngsters properly because when these players will eventually retire, there need to be other players who can replace them instantly and do as good as they are doing.

[Maidak]

As a result of a magnificent Test series win over England, West Indies will participate in the remaining matches for the 2023 World Test Championship. West Indies' experience was a great start to their WTC23 journey. At home, they were much more determined than England. However, will they continue to dominate including away series against South Africa and tournament leaders Australia?

I really don't think that is going to happen because South Africa and Australia both are really great test teams and they also play great test cricket regardless of playing home or away.

I think the reason why they were able to win against England is that the England team is not in the best state right now and West Indies were playing on their home ground. but the situation is absolutely different when they will be playing against Australia and South Africa.

[KennyR]

As a result of a magnificent Test series win over England, West Indies will participate in the remaining matches for the 2023 World Test Championship. West Indies' experience was a great start to their WTC23 journey. At home, they were much more determined than England. However, will they continue to dominate including away series against South Africa and tournament leaders Australia?

I really don't think that is going to happen because South Africa and Australia both are really great test teams and they also play great test cricket regardless of playing home or away.

I think the reason why they were able to win against England is that the England team is not in the best state right now and West Indies were playing on their home ground. but the situation is absolutely different when they will be playing against Australia and South Africa.

West Indies have got the home ground advantage, and West Indies is a team that gives unexpected performance. In this series West Indies have played good, if not the first two matches wouldn't be drawn. England is with its full team. In recent days, teams in the low bottom have been performing good.

[Maidak]

As a result of a magnificent Test series win over England, West Indies will participate in the remaining matches for the 2023 World Test Championship. West Indies' experience was a great start to their WTC23 journey. At home, they were much more determined than England. However, will they continue to dominate including away series against South Africa and tournament leaders Australia?

I really don't think that is going to happen because South Africa and Australia both are really great test teams and they also play great test cricket regardless of playing home or away.
I think the reason why they were able to win against England is that the England team is not in the best state right now and West Indies were playing on their home ground. but the situation is absolutely different when they will be playing against Australia and South Africa.

West Indies have got the home ground advantage, and West Indies is a team that gives unexpected performance. In this series West Indies have played good, if not the first two matches wouldn't be drawn. England is with its full team. In recent days, teams in the low bottom have been performing good.

But the teams that are at the bottom are going to perform well for only so much time right?

I think it is just a matter of time before these teams are going to face harder opponents and ultimately lose against them. and on the home ground, these teams have some certain advantages so they are playing well. I don't think in other conditions they will be able to repeat these types of results anymore.

[SirLancelot]

West Indies have got the home ground advantage, and West Indies is a team that gives unexpected performance. In this series West Indies have played good, if not the first two matches wouldn't be drawn. England is with its full team. In recent days, teams in the low bottom have been performing good.

But the teams that are at the bottom are going to perform well for only so much time right?

I think it is just a matter of time before these teams are going to face harder opponents and ultimately lose against them. and on the home ground, these teams have some certain advantages so they are playing well. I don't think in other conditions they will be able to repeat these types of results anymore.

Agree with this statement, but we can't do anything with this because every team is having this home advantage, and they can enjoy with this all about West Indies once they were best team in cricket world, but recently they are completely crap even now they have nothing good squads for short formats which were having some advantage for them, but recently they lost this all because they completely fail to develop their domestic set up on latest technology and technique's which is now having serious problems for them and their selection system is also not fair because it's seven countries unit and every country want to use his own quota instead of having players on merit.

For few other countries they are still in big whole, and we can't expect big changes and improvement from them because it needs some good dedication and investment, which is not possible for all. Bangladesh and Zimbabwe both examples available now many want to scrap them from test status which is not fair but still these both not deserve this.

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They both are over 38 years and that's not the age for fast bowler to play a test match. If ECB keep on relying on these aged players and don't wanna move to young talent that can serve them for next 10 to 15 years then things will get more tough for them in the long run.

James Anderson is 39 years old and do you know any bowler in world cricket that is bowling well like him and still pick wickets, he did not slow down in pace and he is swigging the ball like he used to do in his prime and you will not find a replacement for bowlers like him and then Stuart Broad is 35 years old and he is still picking wickets and then the other promising bowlers are Mark Wood and Jofra Archer and if they can stay fit then they are in safe hands for a while, if not let them continue as long as they are making an impact with the bowl.

[Viscore]

Broad and Anderson must retire as they have played enough cricket and should give chance to new talent. England team is just like Mumbai Indian they have a good captain like Root but no team. It will now take some years before England can have strong test team.

I disagree. Age should not be a factor here. If the younger bowlers like Woakes, Robinson, Overton, Mahmood and Wood have the ability to replace Broad or Anderson on merit, then I don't have a problem in dropping these two senior bowlers. But it looks as if that is not the case. The ECB doesn't have any real excuse to drop them, apart from the age factor. And trust me, if any of the younger bowlers I mentioned earlier had at least 50% of the capability of James Anderson, I would have supported the decision from the ECB.

I don't think their present ages could be a hindrance for the success of the team. As long as they are fit and still capable being fast bowlers, they should not be dropped from the team as easy as that. Looks like they follow the same route with Ashley Giles, Chris Silverwood, and Graham Thorpe from losing their jobs unreasonably. But i guess, there's nothing we can do with that. ECB director has already said his firm decision.

[kro55]

Broad and Anderson must retire as they have played enough cricket and should give chance to new talent. England team is just like Mumbai Indian they have a good captain like Root but no team. It will now take some years before England can have strong test team.

I disagree. Age should not be a factor here. If the younger bowlers like Woakes, Robinson, Overton, Mahmood and Wood have the ability to replace Broad or Anderson on merit, then I don't have a problem in dropping these two senior bowlers. But it looks as if that is not the case. The ECB doesn't have any real excuse to drop them, apart from the age factor. And trust me, if any of the younger bowlers I mentioned earlier had at least 50% of the capability of James Anderson, I would have supported the decision from the ECB.

I don't think their present ages could be a hindrance for the success of the team. As long as they are fit and still capable being fast bowlers, they should not be dropped from the team as easy as that. Looks like they follow the same route with Ashley Giles, Chris Silverwood, and Graham Thorpe from losing their jobs unreasonably. But i guess, there's nothing we can do with that. ECB director has already said his firm decision.

I think people sometimes confuse age with fitness. I don't think it's all about the age of a player. I think it's more about if he is fit or not to play.

We have seen a lot of players of the same age being absolutely different in terms of fitness in the past. And I think as long as they're fit and performing for his team he should not retire. These players are still performing quite well for the team and as long as the team does not find a good enough replacement for them I don't think they should even consider retirement.

[Maidak]

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Agree with this statement, but we can't do anything with this because every team is having this home advantage, and they can enjoy with this all about West Indies once they were best team in cricket world, but recently they are completely crap even now they have nothing good squads for short formats which were having some advantage for them, but recently they lost this all because they completely fail to develop their domestic set up on latest technology and technique's which is now having serious problems for them and their selection system is also not fair because it's seven countries unit and every country want to use his own quota instead of having players on merit.

For few other countries they are still in big whole, and we can't expect big changes and improvement from them because it needs some good dedication and investment, which is not possible for all. Bangladesh and Zimbabwe both examples available now many want to scrap them from test status which is not fair but still these both not deserve this.

The team playing in home conditions are always going to have some advantage and they are obviously going to repair the cricket pitch so that they find it easier with their own playstyle.

Is it unfair to the visiting team? Yes, of course.

But, I think it is just the nature of the competition. Every team needs to get familiar with the conditions and play accordingly. We have to remember test cricket is not finished in one day. So, there are plenty of opportunities for the visiting team to find out how to play and what is the best plan of attack.

[JSRAW]

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Stuart Broad seems front runner but i guess he's 35-ish already so imo it would be short term gig for him. This won't be a bad choice for short term if he's captaining the team for full home season because he can get into the playing XI without any fuss. At the same time management can groom some one else for future, may be Burns, Ben Foakes? I still don't understand why Broad was dropped from the team in the first place.

Most of the time i really do not understand their rotation policy and how they pick the players to rest, i understand that it helps prolong their career but they need to start grooming young players. Stuart Broad should be the captain now and once Ben Stokes is fit enough to lead the country i am sure he will take over because majority of the former captains wants to see Ben Stokes as the captain.

Bunch of management folks & Co pushed this idea of rotation policy in English cricket, test cricket mainly. It was work in progress concept and they wanted to try it out because of their tight schedule ( they play tons of test matches) so at that time it kinda made sense and was a brave decision but boy o boy!! it failed royally and as result ECB sacked literally everyone, even skipper left.

[jaberwock]

The team playing in home conditions are always going to have some advantage and they are obviously going to repair the cricket pitch so that they find it easier with their own playstyle.

Is it unfair to the visiting team? Yes, of course.

But, I think it is just the nature of the competition. Every team needs to get familiar with the conditions and play accordingly. We have to remember test cricket is not finished in one day. So, there are plenty of opportunities for the visiting team to find out how to play and what is the best plan of attack.

Sometime back there was good and very long talk about this, but sadly it's all ended without any positive note because ICC is hijacked by few boards, and they don't want to give power to other small boards which is big issue sometime back there was a solution that visitors will have choice to bat first or ball, but this was also rejected then second was they need to prepare pitches which could be supportive for both bowling and batting, but sadly there were also few issues which bring hurdles, and we have no positive note about this as well.

ICC needs to be very stick and fair council for all members, but sadly it never happens which is a big problem for better and positive results from this game specially test format which need some good changes if they want alive this for some more decades. Recently we have six test matches and just two with results and four ended in draw which is not good for this format.

[Maidak]

Sometime back there was good and very long talk about this, but sadly it's all ended without any positive note because ICC is hijacked by few boards, and they don't want to give power to other small boards which is big issue sometime back there was a solution that visitors will have choice to bat first or ball, but this was also rejected then second was they need to prepare pitches which could be supportive for both bowling and batting, but sadly there were also few issues which bring hurdles, and we have no positive note about this as well.

ICC needs to be very stick and fair council for all members, but sadly it never happens which is a big problem for better and positive results from this game specially test format which need some good changes if they want alive this for some more decades. Recently we have six test matches and just two with results and four ended in draw which is not good for this format.

It is actually understandable that no one in their right mind wants to give the power to someone else. But that is really detrimental to cricket itself and if that does not change I think cricket is not going to be popular in the whole world. 

In my opinion, cricket has actually lost a lot of popularity in recent times and I know that we have been through some hard times recently but the way ICC is going on about things I don't think the situation is going to improve.

[wiss19]

It is actually understandable that no one in their right mind wants to give the power to someone else. But that is really detrimental to cricket itself and if that does not change I think cricket is not going to be popular in the whole world. 

In my opinion, cricket has actually lost a lot of popularity in recent times and I know that we have been through some hard times recently but the way ICC is going on about things I don't think the situation is going to improve.

Just because of negative tactics and poor management of ICC time is already run out for test cricket popularity but now with two new short formats we can hope this will do some better in near future but against it's time for some strong management and better tactics which are very important for popularity of this game around the globe.

Currently, we have only 12 test playing nations and from these only eight are in good condition and others are struggling and can collapse any time because they have no infrastructure and finances for managing this even Afghanistan is not able to play test at home, and it's not possible for nearly one more decade which is the worst case for them Zimbabwe is already down and out with Bangladesh, Ireland, Sri Lanka and West Indies are also down in quality which is big problem but no one want to do any positive thing for these countries development which mean we are near dead point for test format.