Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[galambo]

I agree with this. Statistics can be deceiving. If we go solely by stats, then Shardul and Ashwin may look far better options when compared to Jadeja. But from what I can recall from all these years, Jadeja has performed under pressure, during crucial situations. Matches India won as a result of Jadeja may be far more than the number of the matches India won as a result of Shardul and Ashwin. And in the end it should matter. What is the point in having personal milestones, when you can't guide your team to a win?

Shardul is very new to Indian side, so he can't be compared with Jadeja. Any player that plays for himself rather then team must be limited to leagues only, as there is no place for players in national team who don't care for the team. Overall its downtime for Indian team and they will have it for year or two.

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[SirLancelot]

I agree with this. Statistics can be deceiving. If we go solely by stats, then Shardul and Ashwin may look far better options when compared to Jadeja. But from what I can recall from all these years, Jadeja has performed under pressure, during crucial situations. Matches India won as a result of Jadeja may be far more than the number of the matches India won as a result of Shardul and Ashwin. And in the end it should matter. What is the point in having personal milestones, when you can't guide your team to a win?

Shardul is very new to Indian side, so he can't be compared with Jadeja. Any player that plays for himself rather then team must be limited to leagues only, as there is no place for players in national team who don't care for the team. Overall its downtime for Indian team and they will have it for year or two.

Suddenly we have some good rumours and issues around Team India because of bad management and after resignation of Kohli which is not good. Indian all set up is moving around IPL, and they need to improve some other domestic leagues as well for 3 days or 4 days which give some good experience to all players for having some good experience surely they could be ready for all changes right now going all way for money is not helping them with this money they need to improve things like Australia where they have all things under control and in any problem player like Cummins can lead the team and having very good start of his new career.

Here all things just happening for IPL and this is not going to solve red ball related issues now after losing in South Africa troubles having more voices and these all will be settled for short term against Sri Lanka and Australia home series which is not good.

[galambo]

Here all things just happening for IPL and this is not going to solve red ball related issues now after losing in South Africa troubles having more voices and these all will be settled for short term against Sri Lanka and Australia home series which is not good.

That's understandable, if India want to focus on IPL only then its fine they must then bear such ODI and Test results. But if they wanna remain in test and odi then they must think out of IPL and do some tough decisions. But right now whole world is crazy for IPL that's why nobody is worried about how India team is performing in tests and ODI.

[JSRAW]

Yes i will also prefer Jadeja over Ashwin but only when playing at South Africa, NZ or majority of green top pitches of England. Ashwin's record in Australia improved in last 2 tour tho so its open for debate. Stats do matters because Jadeja and Ashwin are playing for a long time of period and both of em are great spin allrounder and been on top ICC rank since 2014-15 along with Shakib. No spin all rounder comes close to this trio by country mile.

Shardul is seam allrounder so his comparison with Jaddu is not fair. India need 2-3 more shardul type of seam allrounder when playing at SENA country, in subcontinent we really don't need his services cause we already have 2 best allrounder Jaddu, Ash and Axar- Washi duo is also there.

Like i said horses for courses.

That is a really good argument but I think Jadeja can take wickets at the key moments of the match. And his crickets look more impactful to me. And his batting is also better. And even if we all say that they are both the same in batting and bowling, Ashwin and Jadeja,
Jadeja can be really electric in Fielding and save a lot of runs.

I hardly remember any instance where Jadeja outbowling Ashwin, most of the time its Ashwin who does the damage.  

Jadeja is not attacking bowler per se(When playing at SENA), his main job is to hold one end tight for longer period of time so that fast bowlers gets some sort of rest because its seamers job to do heavy lifting on seaming track. Agree on batting-Field cause Jadeja is excellent athlete on the field and improving drastically as batter and he gets the job done at number 7, which is very important when visiting SENA countries, that's why he's preferred over Ashwin and there is nothing wrong with that.

[galambo]

Meanwhile Pakistan cricket fans can sit back and hold there seats tight as, Australia's tour of Pakistan is 'reasonably well down the track. CA official George Bailey, has confirmed that till now there is no player who has refused to play in Pakistan. If CA tours Pakistan this March then it will also benefit PSL as CA payers will also participate in PSL.

[eaLiTy]

Meanwhile Pakistan cricket fans can sit back and hold there seats tight as, Australia's tour of Pakistan is 'reasonably well down the track. CA official George Bailey, has confirmed that till now there is no player who has refused to play in Pakistan. If CA tours Pakistan this March then it will also benefit PSL as CA payers will also participate in PSL.

The Australian players were happy about touring Pakistan even during the interview most of the players were happy touring the team and there is no way the CA will block the tour if the players are happy touring them. The only issue is see right now is the pandemic situations as new variants of the virus are spreading rapidly and if there is no other hurdles, the tour will go on as planned.

[JSRAW]

Meanwhile Pakistan cricket fans can sit back and hold there seats tight as, Australia's tour of Pakistan is 'reasonably well down the track. CA official George Bailey, has confirmed that till now there is no player who has refused to play in Pakistan. If CA tours Pakistan this March then it will also benefit PSL as CA payers will also participate in PSL.

The Australian players were happy about touring Pakistan even during the interview most of the players were happy touring the team and there is no way the CA will block the tour if the players are happy touring them. The only issue is see right now is the pandemic situations as new variants of the virus are spreading rapidly and if there is no other hurdles, the tour will go on as planned.

They don't have any excuse this time. They have been reluctant to tour any country since pandemic barring England ofcourse, their last away series was back in 2018-19 against England. If they really want to play WTC final then they should visit, if not then ICC should consider this forfeit series and Pakistan should get all the points.

[Juggy777]

Meanwhile Pakistan cricket fans can sit back and hold there seats tight as, Australia's tour of Pakistan is 'reasonably well down the track. CA official George Bailey, has confirmed that till now there is no player who has refused to play in Pakistan. If CA tours Pakistan this March then it will also benefit PSL as CA payers will also participate in PSL.

The Australian players were happy about touring Pakistan even during the interview most of the players were happy touring the team and there is no way the CA will block the tour if the players are happy touring them. The only issue is see right now is the pandemic situations as new variants of the virus are spreading rapidly and if there is no other hurdles, the tour will go on as planned.

They don't have any excuse this time. They have been reluctant to tour any country since pandemic barring England ofcourse, their last away series was back in 2018-19 against England. If they really want to play WTC final then they should visit, if not then ICC should consider this forfeit series and Pakistan should get all the points.

@JSRAW I just read the opposite report about Australian Player’s not being comfortable about touring Pakistan, and this shows that there’s a high possibility of them backing out when the time comes. Furthermore if they sent their B team, then it’ll definitely hurt Pakistan citizen’s who’re expecting Australia’s best player’s to come.

[JSRAW]

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@JSRAW I just read the opposite report about Australian Player’s not being comfortable about touring Pakistan, and this shows that there’s a high possibility of them backing out when the time comes. Furthermore if they sent their B team, then it’ll definitely hurt Pakistan citizen’s who’re expecting Australia’s best player’s to come.

I heard about this bomb blast as well, which is not good sign but at the same time i'm optimistic about this tour. Last i read, CA want all tests to be schedule in single venue for security reason. I don't know if its feasible solution considering no stadium is able to host 3 back to back tests because of pitch conditions, unless they have 5-6 quality pitches on the ground.

[BALIK]

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@JSRAW I just read the opposite report about Australian Player’s not being comfortable about touring Pakistan, and this shows that there’s a high possibility of them backing out when the time comes. Furthermore if they sent their B team, then it’ll definitely hurt Pakistan citizen’s who’re expecting Australia’s best player’s to come.

I heard about this bomb blast as well, which is not good sign but at the same time i'm optimistic about this tour. Last i read, CA want all tests to be schedule in single venue for security reason. I don't know if its feasible solution considering no stadium is able to host 3 back to back tests because of pitch conditions, unless they have 5-6 quality pitches on the ground.

In my opinion, if the players are ready to play and don't have any problems with the tour then this tour will not be canceled.

But I do find it really odd that three matches are going to be played in the same venue because if it was an ODI matter then not might have been possible and if it was t20 then I am sure there wouldn't have been many problems but the problem is its test match and the wickets are really very important in a test match.

We have seen results change drastically because the pitch changed its behavior on the last day. So it is hard to imagine that three test matches are going to be played in the same venue.

But it might be one way to cancel the tour saying that it back and play all three test matches in one venue and so they will have security issues. 'just saying'.

[darewaller]

I heard about this bomb blast as well, which is not good sign but at the same time i'm optimistic about this tour. Last i read, CA want all tests to be schedule in single venue for security reason. I don't know if its feasible solution considering no stadium is able to host 3 back to back tests because of pitch conditions, unless they have 5-6 quality pitches on the ground.

No doubt situation is not good and no one can give 100% what's going on in next few days as Pakistan has never been easy country for any things recently I was reading there are some riots in big city of Karachi and situation in Baluchistan is also very bad due to recent attacks on Armed Forces, so we have to wait until last day of this tour how they handle this all.

But, I read few blogs and columns where many Australians are very excited about this tour specially Pat Cummins and Labuschagne are very happy as they are going to face one of the toughest cricket players recently won ICC awards and have very good record at home. With selector George bailey is also having no issues and Australian Cricketers Association also want players go ahead with this tour.

[Vaskiy]

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@JSRAW I just read the opposite report about Australian Player’s not being comfortable about touring Pakistan, and this shows that there’s a high possibility of them backing out when the time comes. Furthermore if they sent their B team, then it’ll definitely hurt Pakistan citizen’s who’re expecting Australia’s best player’s to come.

I heard about this bomb blast as well, which is not good sign but at the same time i'm optimistic about this tour. Last i read, CA want all tests to be schedule in single venue for security reason. I don't know if its feasible solution considering no stadium is able to host 3 back to back tests because of pitch conditions, unless they have 5-6 quality pitches on the ground.

It the location is under target, then it isn't good to tour. Pakistan people will be with much expectation to host the series in the home country after a long. However it is very important to take care of life. As said in a quote if the players are ready to play the the tournament won't get cancelled, But players won't have such a mind. Also this will not let the players have their natural game. So, it is good to have a common location out of the country if scenario isn't supportive.

[TheGreatPython]

It the location is under target, then it isn't good to tour. Pakistan people will be with much expectation to host the series in the home country after a long. However it is very important to take care of life. As said in a quote if the players are ready to play the the tournament won't get cancelled, But players won't have such a mind. Also this will not let the players have their natural game. So, it is good to have a common location out of the country if scenario isn't supportive.

Things are not worst as many believe because there is unrest in many countries as well, and they are still doing their usual business but here mostly Indian propaganda works badly for Pakistan they never want anything good for them, so they mostly cry too much. Keep one thing in mind if PSL 7 is going to be good and fair then surely Australian's will be happy, and they will tour without any fear right now this even is key for their tour and all cricketing future of Pakistan.

After apologize from ECB things doing better and now nearly 18 players from England are into PSL mean they are feeling good and have no fear, so they are enjoying cricket. I am personally feeling this all will be OK, and we will have some good cricket in this region in near future.

[pakhitheboss]

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@JSRAW I just read the opposite report about Australian Player’s not being comfortable about touring Pakistan, and this shows that there’s a high possibility of them backing out when the time comes. Furthermore if they sent their B team, then it’ll definitely hurt Pakistan citizen’s who’re expecting Australia’s best player’s to come.

I heard about this bomb blast as well, which is not good sign but at the same time i'm optimistic about this tour. Last i read, CA want all tests to be schedule in single venue for security reason. I don't know if its feasible solution considering no stadium is able to host 3 back to back tests because of pitch conditions, unless they have 5-6 quality pitches on the ground.

It the location is under target, then it isn't good to tour. Pakistan people will be with much expectation to host the series in the home country after a long. However it is very important to take care of life. As said in a quote if the players are ready to play the the tournament won't get cancelled, But players won't have such a mind. Also this will not let the players have their natural game. So, it is good to have a common location out of the country if scenario isn't supportive.

The situation again is slowly turning to worst in some cities of Pakistan but that doesn't mean visiting players will not get security. I remember whenever their is an international cricketing tournament organized in Pakistan they tend to close the location for that number of days and they do provide double layer of security. Still if such bombing news become frequent then Australia might think again.

[Sithara007]

The situation again is slowly turning to worst in some cities of Pakistan but that doesn't mean visiting players will not get security. I remember whenever their is an international cricketing tournament organized in Pakistan they tend to close the location for that number of days and they do provide double layer of security. Still if such bombing news become frequent then Australia might think again.

Well, you are admitting that the security situation is getting worse. Under such circumstances, how can you expect the Australian board to get the necessary permission from the government? The board may be in favor of touring Pakistan (for obvious reasons), but don't forget the fact that they can't do that unless they are permitted to do so by the federal government. No amount of security protection will be enough, if some major terrorist incident occur in Pakistan during the next few months. If so, then once again the series will be shifted to the UAE.

[jostorres]

you are admitting that the security situation is getting worse. Under such circumstances, how can you expect the Australian board to get the necessary permission from the government? The board may be in favor of touring Pakistan (for obvious reasons), but don't forget the fact that they can't do that unless they are permitted to do so by the federal government. No amount of security protection will be enough, if some major terrorist incident occur in Pakistan during the next few months. If so, then once again the series will be shifted to the UAE.

Right now security situation is not bad as few Indian channels are giving for their own sack things are in control and surely last decision is coming from Government of Australia and CA because they are currently main party in this all I read on few sites and media reports they are monitoring all things with their own way, and they are positive about this tour. Today second match of PSL 7 is already ended with most of the things are under control and franchise have many players from England those all are feeling OK and playing their natural game without any fear or pressure.

As Ramiz Raja is already announced they are not going to play in UAE so if Australia is going to deny this tour then surely this series is going to cancel and not going to play at the UAE or any other part of world.

[JSRAW]

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Before making any general statement i suggest you to Click on the link provided by Juggy777 may be? Its a Pakistani source on recent Lahore bomb blast, not Indian newspaper. Also read Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid's comment or what Pak NSO saying about Taliban nowadays.

Australian Player’s

"An increase in attacks since the Taliban regained control of neighbouring Afghanistan in August has not helped to bolster confidence either.

Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid said terrorist incidents had increased by more than a third since the United States withdrew from Afghanistan, local media reported.

A bomb blast ripped through a crowded market in Lahore on Thursday, killing three people and wounding over 20, police said.

A newly formed separatist group based in Balochistan claimed responsibility for the attack in a text message sent to a Reuters reporter."

[laurenB7742]

you are admitting that the security situation is getting worse. Under such circumstances, how can you expect the Australian board to get the necessary permission from the government? The board may be in favor of touring Pakistan (for obvious reasons), but don't forget the fact that they can't do that unless they are permitted to do so by the federal government. No amount of security protection will be enough, if some major terrorist incident occur in Pakistan during the next few months. If so, then once again the series will be shifted to the UAE.

Right now security situation is not bad as few Indian channels are giving for their own sack things are in control and surely last decision is coming from Government of Australia and CA because they are currently main party in this all I read on few sites and media reports they are monitoring all things with their own way, and they are positive about this tour. Today second match of PSL 7 is already ended with most of the things are under control and franchise have many players from England those all are feeling OK and playing their natural game without any fear or pressure.

As Ramiz Raja is already announced they are not going to play in UAE so if Australia is going to deny this tour then surely this series is going to cancel and not going to play at the UAE or any other part of world.

I really absolutely do not understand what is the problem with touring Pakistan!!

I mean if you want to just look at the Indian news channels and media and predict that some unbelievable terrorist attack is going to happen on the Australian team then my suggestion is just to stay in Australia and better stay in your house, and don't ever go out!! 

I do believe that the situation is not as bad as the media is trying to portray. I think Pakistan have made the right decision and should hold onto their decision.

[Sithara007]

I really absolutely do not understand what is the problem with touring Pakistan!!

Check JSRAW's post, just above yours. The Lahore bomb blast resulted in multiple deaths and dozens of injuries. Now how can you say that there is no problem with Pakistan hosting foreign contingents? Now it is up to the Australian government and the players to decide whether they want to tour Pakistan or not. But ever since Taliban came to power in the neighboring Afghanistan, there is no doubt that the security situation in Pakistan has deteriorated. No amount of guarantee from the Pakistan government is going to change that reality.

[galambo]

I really absolutely do not understand what is the problem with touring Pakistan!!

I mean if you want to just look at the Indian news channels and media and predict that some unbelievable terrorist attack is going to happen on the Australian team then my suggestion is just to stay in Australia and better stay in your house, and don't ever go out!! 

I do believe that the situation is not as bad as the media is trying to portray. I think Pakistan have made the right decision and should hold onto their decision.

Whenever there is some country trying to play cricket in Pakistan there is some blast or other such activity which is highlighted by Indian media only. Pakistan officials blame India for sabotaging NZ tour to Pakistan, PSL is underway in Pakistan and its going perfectly fine, there are players from England and Aus taking part in PSL with no problem.