Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[Sithara007]

Despite England's top order failing, the West Indies started their innings very well. They lost their first wicket on 83 runs. But the subsequent batsmen failed in their duty. They lost 4 wickets for 127 runs. Now I think they will lose all their wickets before 311. And their innings will end tomorrow in the first session. The performance of West Indies players is very irregular. The team does not have any experienced Ebgong dependent players.

I have said this numerous times. West Indies should not be playing test cricket. They are good in T20, and to an extent in ODI cricket. But the players look clueless when it comes to test cricket. Gone are the days when they had legendary players like Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Courtney Walsh and Curtly Ambrose, who were tailor-made for test cricket. Now all they have is a bunch of T20 specialists, who are not suitable for test cricket. England on the other hand have separate squads for different formats, so they are able to fare better.

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[pakhitheboss]

Despite England's top order failing, the West Indies started their innings very well. They lost their first wicket on 83 runs. But the subsequent batsmen failed in their duty. They lost 4 wickets for 127 runs. Now I think they will lose all their wickets before 311. And their innings will end tomorrow in the first session. The performance of West Indies players is very irregular. The team does not have any experienced Ebgong dependent players.

WI side is still trailing by 109 runs and they have 5 batters. They still can reach the target but I doubt they will be able to put on lead. Holder is on 43 and WI need a big innings from him now. England bowlers did a good job on getting quick wickets.

[JSRAW]

Despite England's top order failing, the West Indies started their innings very well. They lost their first wicket on 83 runs. But the subsequent batsmen failed in their duty. They lost 4 wickets for 127 runs. Now I think they will lose all their wickets before 311. And their innings will end tomorrow in the first session. The performance of West Indies players is very irregular. The team does not have any experienced Ebgong dependent players.

I have said this numerous times. West Indies should not be playing test cricket. They are good in T20, and to an extent in ODI cricket. But the players look clueless when it comes to test cricket. Gone are the days when they had legendary players like Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Courtney Walsh and Curtly Ambrose, who were tailor-made for test cricket. Now all they have is a bunch of T20 specialists, who are not suitable for test cricket. England on the other hand have separate squads for different formats, so they are able to fare better.

Windies deserve proper bashing for their sorry state but why are we forgetting that they are pretty good competitor and bring their best when playing against poms. In last 50 years England won only series in Windies. They successfully beat the England in last home series and as far as i remember they were okay-ish on away England tour too, couple of years back when covid started.

[galambo]

Despite England's top order failing, the West Indies started their innings very well. They lost their first wicket on 83 runs. But the subsequent batsmen failed in their duty. They lost 4 wickets for 127 runs. Now I think they will lose all their wickets before 311. And their innings will end tomorrow in the first session. The performance of West Indies players is very irregular. The team does not have any experienced Ebgong dependent players.

I have said this numerous times. West Indies should not be playing test cricket. They are good in T20, and to an extent in ODI cricket. But the players look clueless when it comes to test cricket. Gone are the days when they had legendary players like Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Courtney Walsh and Curtly Ambrose, who were tailor-made for test cricket. Now all they have is a bunch of T20 specialists, who are not suitable for test cricket. England on the other hand have separate squads for different formats, so they are able to fare better.

Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Courtney Walsh and Curtly Ambrose played at time when test and odi are only format of cricket and there is no T20 and T10. Not only WI many other teams have gone down in test performance like SL, SA and Zim. Focus these days is only on leagues, so no one taking test serious.

[UmerIdrees]

Feel sorry for the bowlers, it is a batsman dominated game now! Bowlers should be replaced by Bowling Machines with batsman-friendly rules so no young kids would be interested in bowling. In some cases, traditions should be kept just as they are, sometimes it is just a psychological boost that bowlers receive. The restrictions we are putting on bowlers are excessive. Astonished by the way the game is played. I think bowling should be banned too! 

Everyone likes to see high scoring games and therefore you will not find rules which may help the bowlers. The introduction of T20 was itself a move that supported batsmen. The T20 matches should have been played with fewer players as previously the same 10 players need to bat 50 overs and now the same 10 players need to bat 20 overs only. So you can see how easy it is for the batsmen to score runs freely.
There needs to be a balance between batters and bowlers otherwise there will be no interest in seeing four and sixes on every ball.

Yeah, I think you are right. Because the days are gone when spectators enjoyed seeing the bowling of Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, Muttiah Muralitharan, or Brett Lee. Now everyone wants to sleep almost every ball hit for a six. To be honest, in my opinion, cricket has become less skillful than it was before.

How about  Shaheen Shah Afridi , Jasprit Bumrah, Mitchell Starc, Mohammad Amir, Rashid Khan, Shakib Al Hasan , Mohammad Nabi are a few of my favorite ones? These bowlers are talented and worth watching.
Every era has produced memorable bowlers. The modern day bowlers have got less favorable conditions but yet they produce excellent results.

[CryptoBuds]

West Indies  VS  England

Perhaps it was a good day for the West Indies. West Indies scored 202 runs losing only 4 wickets. And they are just 109 runs behind. Holder and Bonner's collection at the crease is 43 and 34, respectively. And both are deaing with more than 100 balls. Their position is good enough at the moment. The match is completely under their control. If they can play well in the first session of the third day, then West Indies will be able to collect around 350.

[blatchcorn]

How about  Shaheen Shah Afridi , Jasprit Bumrah, Mitchell Starc, Mohammad Amir, Rashid Khan, Shakib Al Hasan , Mohammad Nabi are a few of my favorite ones? These bowlers are talented and worth watching.
Every era has produced memorable bowlers. The modern day bowlers have got less favorable conditions but yet they produce excellent results.

No doubt they are great bowlers but they are good to watch while playing T20. The interest in test has gone down by spectators due to introduction of shorter formats of game i.e. T20 leagues that have rules to make the game look more exciting.

West Indies  VS  England

So far the game is very much balanced towards both team. On 3rd day we can see which team is in command of the game, England need to bowl out WI before 300 total and should bat well in second innings to win the game. WI aim from here should be to score 350 runs.

[Theones]

@umerIdrees - I have the same concern, seems like you are the right person to ask this. Why did NZ team ran away before the start of the series, I read it on internet that Pakistan PM, who himself is a cricketer went to the field himself and assured them that everything is fine even he spoke to NZ PM but they refused to play and went back. I have heard the same rumors in Aussie case, but seem like they are a bit daring to take the stand.

Well NZ team received some suspicious email that they will be attacked if they play the series in Pakistan. They decided to fly back. It was their own decision or it was influenced by BCCI, the details are not public.
It's their stance and will that they opted for what they think was best for them but they didn't know what was coming afterward. Later everyone told them that they did wrong.

Pakistan got more strong with their verdict and we gave a clear statement that if any country wants to play with us, they need to come and play here. Best security will be granted and  No neutral grounds will be accepted. If Australians had refused this tour, we would not have gone next year to their country.

Lesson:- Be strong, be a lion and the world will respect you.

I don't think Pakistan would refuse to any event. They never did. No matter what happens they are always ready to do the game. I have seen many people and countries refusing to coming to Pakistan. For example the big Bollywood names hardly visit Pakistan but Lollywood actors run to India even for the side roles. Likewise most of the countries refuse coming to Pakistan, but Pakistani run to those countries. There is nothing like a lion in there - there is always a self interest there.

[UmerIdrees]

@umerIdrees - I have the same concern, seems like you are the right person to ask this. Why did NZ team ran away before the start of the series, I read it on internet that Pakistan PM, who himself is a cricketer went to the field himself and assured them that everything is fine even he spoke to NZ PM but they refused to play and went back. I have heard the same rumors in Aussie case, but seem like they are a bit daring to take the stand.

Well NZ team received some suspicious email that they will be attacked if they play the series in Pakistan. They decided to fly back. It was their own decision or it was influenced by BCCI, the details are not public.
It's their stance and will that they opted for what they think was best for them but they didn't know what was coming afterward. Later everyone told them that they did wrong.

Pakistan got more strong with their verdict and we gave a clear statement that if any country wants to play with us, they need to come and play here. Best security will be granted and  No neutral grounds will be accepted. If Australians had refused this tour, we would not have gone next year to their country.

Lesson:- Be strong, be a lion and the world will respect you.

I don't think Pakistan would refuse to any event. They never did. No matter what happens they are always ready to do the game. I have seen many people and countries refusing to coming to Pakistan. For example the big Bollywood names hardly visit Pakistan but Lollywood actors run to India even for the side roles. Likewise most of the countries refuse coming to Pakistan, but Pakistani run to those countries. There is nothing like a lion in there - there is always a self interest there.

Why are you comparing bollywood lollywood to the cricket industry    Both are different industries and Bollywood is far ahead as compared to the Pakistani movie industry. The local actors here will keep on going to the big industry but have u ever found a Pakistani cricketer going to India?

And regarding, Pakistan never refuses the cricket tours even though other teams do not visit Pakistan, well that was past. Now teams have to play in Pakistan and live example is the world best best playing in Pakistan with its full strength. That's what we call a change

[repear7]

England played badly on the first day but they played much better later. Their team has been able to give a good lead for Johnny Bdxb. In the position they are in now, it is better to say that England will win or the game will be a draw. But I don't think West Indies can win? At the end of it all, England made 311/10 while West Indies made 223/5. They still have 5 wickets in hand. If they can give a lead of 200 runs then it will be much better for them.

[coinism]

England played badly on the first day but they played much better later. Their team has been able to give a good lead for Johnny Bdxb. In the position they are in now, it is better to say that England will win or the game will be a draw. But I don't think West Indies can win? At the end of it all, England made 311/10 while West Indies made 223/5. They still have 5 wickets in hand. If they can give a lead of 200 runs then it will be much better for them.

Third day play has started and West Indies have lost well settled batsmen Jason Holder on 45 runs. Now responsibility lies on the shoulder of Nkrumah Bonner who is not out on 50 runs and England will try there best to get rid of Nkrumah Bonner as early as possible. West Indies need to level England score of first innings in order to stay in the game.

[stepwilli]

England played badly on the first day but they played much better later. Their team has been able to give a good lead for Johnny Bdxb. In the position they are in now, it is better to say that England will win or the game will be a draw. But I don't think West Indies can win? At the end of it all, England made 311/10 while West Indies made 223/5. They still have 5 wickets in hand. If they can give a lead of 200 runs then it will be much better for them.

Third day play has started and West Indies have lost well settled batsmen Jason Holder on 45 runs. Now responsibility lies on the shoulder of Nkrumah Bonner who is not out on 50 runs and England will try there best to get rid of Nkrumah Bonner as early as possible. West Indies need to level England score of first innings in order to stay in the game.

Now this test match is doing very interesting twists because first England struggle then they have done good job and have some recovery, but now West Indies is also on good recovery with the help of Bonner, Holder and Da Silva these have very good runs on board with Bonner is still on crease with good score on front 77 and lead is just 23 mean now second inning is very important for England if they want to have some better chance than do some good batting and give healthy target here if these remaining batsmen able to do some good stay at crease then surely it's going to be good advantage to West Indies because batting in fourth inning is never been easy for any team on any track in test matches.

[CryptoBuds]

West Indies  VS  England

So far the game is very much balanced towards both team. On 3rd day we can see which team is in command of the game, England need to bowl out WI before 300 total and should bat well in second innings to win the game. WI aim from here should be to score 350 runs.

West Indies lost 7 wickets and managed to collect 299 runs. Now the game is going on in the second innings of the third day. Bonner is still at the crease with 88 runs scored. And I don't think it would be a problem for the West Indies to score more than 350 runs. Most likely the match will be a draw. If West Indies bat the whole day, then the chances of a draw are highest.

[mm2543363580]

@umerIdrees - I have the same concern, seems like you are the right person to ask this. Why did NZ team ran away before the start of the series, I read it on internet that Pakistan PM, who himself is a cricketer went to the field himself and assured them that everything is fine even he spoke to NZ PM but they refused to play and went back. I have heard the same rumors in Aussie case, but seem like they are a bit daring to take the stand.

Well NZ team received some suspicious email that they will be attacked if they play the series in Pakistan. They decided to fly back. It was their own decision or it was influenced by BCCI, the details are not public.
It's their stance and will that they opted for what they think was best for them but they didn't know what was coming afterward. Later everyone told them that they did wrong.

Pakistan got more strong with their verdict and we gave a clear statement that if any country wants to play with us, they need to come and play here. Best security will be granted and  No neutral grounds will be accepted. If Australians had refused this tour, we would not have gone next year to their country.

Lesson:- Be strong, be a lion and the world will respect you.

I don't think Pakistan would refuse to any event. They never did. No matter what happens they are always ready to do the game. I have seen many people and countries refusing to coming to Pakistan. For example the big Bollywood names hardly visit Pakistan but Lollywood actors run to India even for the side roles. Likewise most of the countries refuse coming to Pakistan, but Pakistani run to those countries. There is nothing like a lion in there - there is always a self interest there.

Why are you comparing bollywood lollywood to the cricket industry    Both are different industries and Bollywood is far ahead as compared to the Pakistani movie industry. The local actors here will keep on going to the big industry but have u ever found a Pakistani cricketer going to India?

And regarding, Pakistan never refuses the cricket tours even though other teams do not visit Pakistan, well that was past. Now teams have to play in Pakistan and live example is the world best best playing in Pakistan with its full strength. That's what we call a change

Let's talk about cricket - in women world cup, Pakistan Women cricket team is at number 8 in ICC women's world cup 2022 point table ( last ) where as Indian Team is at number 5. Indian Team played well during today's match, Although NZ won by 45 runs but the match was worth watching. Pakistani women cricket team need a bit support to come up to other top teams.

[Mahdirakib]

So far the game is very much balanced towards both team. On 3rd day we can see which team is in command of the game, England need to bowl out WI before 300 total and should bat well in second innings to win the game. WI aim from here should be to score 350 runs.

West Indies lost 7 wickets and managed to collect 299 runs. Now the game is going on in the second innings of the third day. Bonner is still at the crease with 88 runs scored. And I don't think it would be a problem for the West Indies to score more than 350 runs. Most likely the match will be a draw. If West Indies bat the whole day, then the chances of a draw are highest.

West Indies has already taken a small lead in the game. Nkrumah Bonner is at 98 runs now. They aren't playing aggressively. Currently the game is in balanced situation, but West Indies has the opportunity to take the match on their favour. They should try to take a good lead from here. The pitch has behaved averagely until now. I think it will be a bit more helpful for the bowlers on the final two days. We might see a winner of this game.

[doomloop]

West Indies lost 7 wickets and managed to collect 299 runs. Now the game is going on in the second innings of the third day. Bonner is still at the crease with 88 runs scored. And I don't think it would be a problem for the West Indies to score more than 350 runs. Most likely the match will be a draw. If West Indies bat the whole day, then the chances of a draw are highest.

West Indies has already taken a small lead in the game. Nkrumah Bonner is at 98 runs now. They aren't playing aggressively. Currently the game is in balanced situation, but West Indies has the opportunity to take the match on their favour. They should try to take a good lead from here. The pitch has behaved averagely until now. I think it will be a bit more helpful for the bowlers on the final two days. We might see a winner of this game.

After having very entertaining first two days now today third day was very bore with just 170 runs and 4 wickets for England who is in field without their main bowler Mark Wood. Bonner is hero for home team West Indies with his career high runs 123 from 350 balls first small partnership with Da Silva and now having very important partnership with Permaul just because of these partnerships now West Indies is in lead of 61 runs which is good for them but today as West Indian batsmen done batting most chances English batsmen will also have no trouble, and they can stay at crease for some long time and go for draw of this first test.

If they fail then surely they can face another defeat which could be the worst for them as West Indies is also very poor team right now. Just before end of today Lawrence take second wicket of his career as he removes Bonner.

[eaLiTy]

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If they fail then surely they can face another defeat which could be the worst for them as West Indies is also very poor team right now. Just before end of today Lawrence take second wicket of his career as he removes Bonner.

I was also not expecting West Indies to take a lead in the first innings, but Nkrumah Bonner played one of the slowest innings i have seen in a very long time and the team to a good position. Checked out the profile of Nkrumah Bonner and he usually plays this slow but this is the first time i am seeing him play and to have a strike rate of 35 in 16 innings was surprising  .

[Sithara007]

Windies deserve proper bashing for their sorry state but why are we forgetting that they are pretty good competitor and bring their best when playing against poms. In last 50 years England won only series in Windies. They successfully beat the England in last home series and as far as i remember they were okay-ish on away England tour too, couple of years back when covid started.

Agreed. Even then, I am not sure how the West Indies players are going to perform, when they meet England in the next series. With each passing year, their test playing capability is going down. Pace bowling is still OK, but in batting and spin departments they are facing serious issues. I am not sure whether any tours to the sub-continent are planned in the next few months. If so, they will face a lot of issues due to the lack of quality spinners. And batting is shit ever since Chanderpaul was forced to retire.

[coinism]

Agreed. Even then, I am not sure how the West Indies players are going to perform, when they meet England in the next series. With each passing year, their test playing capability is going down. Pace bowling is still OK, but in batting and spin departments they are facing serious issues. I am not sure whether any tours to the sub-continent are planned in the next few months. If so, they will face a lot of issues due to the lack of quality spinners. And batting is shit ever since Chanderpaul was forced to retire.

Can't say about future but WI right now are performing too good against England at there home. They won T20 series 3-2 and now in comfortable position in first test. Shivnarine Chanderpaul has played 163 test for WI in time span of 21 years after 21 years you have to leave. Those who leave themselves earn respect others are forced to retire because new players need to check in.

[pakhitheboss]

Agreed. Even then, I am not sure how the West Indies players are going to perform, when they meet England in the next series. With each passing year, their test playing capability is going down. Pace bowling is still OK, but in batting and spin departments they are facing serious issues. I am not sure whether any tours to the sub-continent are planned in the next few months. If so, they will face a lot of issues due to the lack of quality spinners. And batting is shit ever since Chanderpaul was forced to retire.

Can't say about future but WI right now are performing too good against England at there home. They won T20 series 3-2 and now in comfortable position in first test. Shivnarine Chanderpaul has played 163 test for WI in time span of 21 years after 21 years you have to leave. Those who leave themselves earn respect others are forced to retire because new players need to check in.

I am not sure from where you came to the conclusion the WI is in a comfortable position. They have a lead of just 62 runs and have already lost 9 wickets. This match is going nowhere, the chance of this match being drawn is very high. There are only 2 days left in this match and I am sure WI will be all out on day 4. England's top order collapsed in the first session the same will be repeated and they will surely drag this match till day 5 and that's it.