Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[Maidak]

It's obviously a joke but it's also shows how messed up this situation is. Army of subcontinent players going all around the world due to lack of opportunity in their own cricketing system. For example Unmukt chand, Indian u19 (2012 - Hanuma Vihari batchmate) world cup winning captain and out of nowhere become USA's captain.

Not saying that migration is bad but there should be some sort of limit on including foreign nationals in any national team from the ICC. You can't just airdrop tons of players from other countries and say hey now we have a cricket team, what about locals and spreading the game bla bla. 

No, I am not saying that migration is bad or anything but I wanted to do something like this,

-I think it should be a simple rule. If you are a citizen you should be able to play for your own country and if you are not you simply cannot-

And this simple rule can make a world of difference in the cricketing world and I believe if this rule is made a lot of countries with native players are going to come forward. Because I believe if a country with native players sees that layers from India and Pakistan are just dominating in countries where the native players are not so good they will be really disheartened.

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[Tony116]

In International cricket all players are replaceable because this is nature of this world and game, so please never talk about that Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma having not good replacements in current squad we have few players those have very good and natural talent which could be shine by time in near future even currently they are not doing like peoples are expecting from them. Right now things are not going in favor of these two legendary players so peoples having some good talk about them and their performance, but surely they are also humans, and they can do good and bad both.
Right now IPL is in progress, so they can check few youngsters for future and trying to have them for next international series which give them some good experience even right now they have no time as World Cup is also coming shortly, but things can change if BCCI and selectors will take some bold decisions for better future like done by Australia recently.

India actually has the type of player that you are talking about. Obviously, they should be given a chance, and the players who are not in form can obviously be dropped from the team at least for the sake of a test.
Virat Kohli has obviously not been in form recently. His being stubborn is obviously hurting the team right now. but even though a lot of people think that they have really good players who can be a good substitute for Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma, I think when these two players are in form there is no one that can substitute them.

I used to think the same Pointing, Warne, Sachin Tendulkar can never be replaced, but I have learnt it that each and every player is replaceable provided their replacements are groomed early on in their careers. Furthermore Virat needs to take a step back now because it’s clear to see that he’s struggling, and I’m sure that he’ll bounce back even stronger in test format but for now he needs to take that much needed break.

Well at this stage of cricket where everything seems to be very fast-paced I am quite certain that everyone can be replaced. The main thing about the successful replacement is that there is not too much skill needed in today's cricket in my opinion.
you just go in and smash the balls with some decent rotation of strike.

So, I am sure that t20 is not going to be a big problem as far as replacement is concerned but I am worried about the ODI and Test cricket.

[coinism]

New coming from ECB is that Ben Stokes named England men's Test captain. Durham allrounder confirmed as successor to Joe Root. Seeing the current form of Ben Stokes I dont think he can take England out from current turmoil. In his 79 tests, he has scored 5061 runs and took 174 wickets. As an all rounder his figures are outstanding but the point is how can he perform as a Test Captain.

[onecall123]

New coming from ECB is that Ben Stokes named England men's Test captain. Durham allrounder confirmed as successor to Joe Root. Seeing the current form of Ben Stokes I dont think he can take England out from current turmoil. In his 79 tests, he has scored 5061 runs and took 174 wickets. As an all rounder his figures are outstanding but the point is how can he perform as a Test Captain.

Ben Stokes is an excellent choice to serve as the new England Test team captain in this current environment. Several candidates may cause controversy as Butler, Bairstow, or Malan are all excellent choices. Most of us think Stokes named a bad decision since he is normally unfit most of the time. In summarizing Stoke's recent mental health issues, I am not sure if this is a good idea. He may feel too much pressure, which could negatively affect his performance. Ben Stokes will have a tough road ahead. We'll have to wait and see where he goes.

[blatchcorn]

Ben Stokes is an excellent choice to serve as the new England Test team captain in this current environment. Several candidates may cause controversy as Butler, Bairstow, or Malan are all excellent choices. Most of us think Stokes named a bad decision since he is normally unfit most of the time. In summarizing Stoke's recent mental health issues, I am not sure if this is a good idea. He may feel too much pressure, which could negatively affect his performance. Ben Stokes will have a tough road ahead. We'll have to wait and see where he goes.

In current circumstances Ben is the rightful candidate for test captaincy. But I don't think he as a captain will make any impact as whole English team is struggling. We need to wait at-least one year to give verdict about whether Ben as a captain is a success or England need another captain. Ben from now on need to pay special attention to his fitness since he is skipper now. 

[minairia3]

New coming from ECB is that Ben Stokes named England men's Test captain. Durham allrounder confirmed as successor to Joe Root. Seeing the current form of Ben Stokes I dont think he can take England out from current turmoil. In his 79 tests, he has scored 5061 runs and took 174 wickets. As an all rounder his figures are outstanding but the point is how can he perform as a Test Captain.

Ben Stokes is an excellent choice to serve as the new England Test team captain in this current environment. Several candidates may cause controversy as Butler, Bairstow, or Malan are all excellent choices. Most of us think Stokes named a bad decision since he is normally unfit most of the time. In summarizing Stoke's recent mental health issues, I am not sure if this is a good idea. He may feel too much pressure, which could negatively affect his performance. Ben Stokes will have a tough road ahead. We'll have to wait and see where he goes.

I think he has been a great performer for the England cricket team and he can definitely prove himself as a captain in my opinion.  yes, a lot of arguments can be made that there are other players who are better suited for this. but in the situation that that cricket team is right now, I think Ben Stokes is the best choice for the captain because the team needs a character like him as their captain.

[blatchcorn]

I think he has been a great performer for the England cricket team and he can definitely prove himself as a captain in my opinion.  yes, a lot of arguments can be made that there are other players who are better suited for this. but in the situation that that cricket team is right now, I think Ben Stokes is the best choice for the captain because the team needs a character like him as their captain.

I would say that ECB won't have much choices for the captain, they have to make a decision and Ben is first choice for that. As I said, he has a tough job ahead where he has to assemble a scattered English team. It will definitely take some time and Ben need some time for that.

[pakhitheboss]

New coming from ECB is that Ben Stokes named England men's Test captain. Durham allrounder confirmed as successor to Joe Root. Seeing the current form of Ben Stokes I dont think he can take England out from current turmoil. In his 79 tests, he has scored 5061 runs and took 174 wickets. As an all rounder his figures are outstanding but the point is how can he perform as a Test Captain.

Ben Stokes is an excellent choice to serve as the new England Test team captain in this current environment. Several candidates may cause controversy as Butler, Bairstow, or Malan are all excellent choices. Most of us think Stokes named a bad decision since he is normally unfit most of the time. In summarizing Stoke's recent mental health issues, I am not sure if this is a good idea. He may feel too much pressure, which could negatively affect his performance. Ben Stokes will have a tough road ahead. We'll have to wait and see where he goes.

I think he has been a great performer for the England cricket team and he can definitely prove himself as a captain in my opinion.  yes, a lot of arguments can be made that there are other players who are better suited for this. but in the situation that that cricket team is right now, I think Ben Stokes is the best choice for the captain because the team needs a character like him as their captain.

He has a lot of experience as a Vice-Captain of the English test cricket side. His first match as a captain would be against NZ in June this year. This would be a tough test match as NZ is a world champion. As an all-rounder, he has been a great asset to the English side and I think his performance wont be affected as a captain.

[JSRAW]

He has a lot of experience as a Vice-Captain of the English test cricket side. His first match as a captain would be against NZ in June this year. This would be a tough test match as NZ is a world champion. As an all-rounder, he has been a great asset to the English side and I think his performance wont be affected as a captain.

I just hope that he doesn't break down mentally again. He's an allrounder which is already a very tough job when you're playing all 3 format (including franchise cricket The 100 etc). He's also field out of the 30 yard circle so Joe Root's experience should help him a bit but of course it would depend on who is going to be next vice-captain.

I think Jimmy-Broad are going to come back in the test squad soon. 

[eaLiTy]

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I just hope that he doesn't break down mentally again. He's an allrounder which is already a very tough job when you're playing all 3 format (including franchise cricket The 100 etc). He's also field out of the 30 yard circle so Joe Root's experience should help him a bit but of course it would depend on who is going to be next vice-captain.

His mental health will be concern as the task of captaincy might break him and i wont be surprised if he retires early because of the huge burden bestowed upon him. If the earlier break was really due to mental breakdown as a player i doubt he will take the pressure as a captain. They need to find someone else and groom rather than putting all the pressure to Ben Stokes.

I think Stuart Broad will be the vice captain.

[Sithara007]

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I think it should be a simple rule. If you are a citizen you should be able to play for your own country and if you are not you simply cannot. By doing so a lot of countries that are interested in cricket have going to come forward instead of the countries that are making their whole team with foreign players.

And we all have been saying that cricket is just only very popular in India, Pakistan, and a few countries but have we ever thought about why cricket is not popular in the whole world and what are the steps being taken to change the current situation?

I agree with the first part. If you are not a citizen of a particular country, then you don't deserve a chance to play in the national team. These non-citizens, if they want can play for the United Nations team. And for the second point, first and foremost if the natives are included in the national team, then there will be a growth in interest in cricket. On the other hand, if they put up sham national teams like what we have in Czech Republic or Norway, then it will remain as a sport that is exclusively played by the foreigners.

[blatchcorn]

I agree with the first part. If you are not a citizen of a particular country, then you don't deserve a chance to play in the national team. These non-citizens, if they want can play for the United Nations team. And for the second point, first and foremost if the natives are included in the national team, then there will be a growth in interest in cricket. On the other hand, if they put up sham national teams like what we have in Czech Republic or Norway, then it will remain as a sport that is exclusively played by the foreigners.

It will take some time to develop a quality cricket team from native players if you are new to cricket. Since it need some time to develop local infrastructure that can produce good cricketers. But short term gain lies in making a team of expats like done by UAE, Oman and other countries. Even UAE woman team is of expats and ICC is focusing more on short term financial gains

[JSRAW]

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I just hope that he doesn't break down mentally again. He's an allrounder which is already a very tough job when you're playing all 3 format (including franchise cricket The 100 etc). He's also field out of the 30 yard circle so Joe Root's experience should help him a bit but of course it would depend on who is going to be next vice-captain.

His mental health will be concern as the task of captaincy might break him and i wont be surprised if he retires early because of the huge burden bestowed upon him. If the earlier break was really due to mental breakdown as a player i doubt he will take the pressure as a captain. They need to find someone else and groom rather than putting all the pressure to Ben Stokes.

I think Stuart Broad will be the vice captain.

He's 30 yo so he should be okay for 2 years or may be 3. English cricket revolve around the Ashes so let's say 2 Ashes series and after that if he's fit enough, want to continue (i doubt that) or successfully lead his team then who knows.

Stuart Broad name popped up in captaincy race too so it won't be surprising decision, although would be great if they go with some younger guy.

[galambo]

He's 30 yo so he should be okay for 2 years or may be 3. English cricket revolve around the Ashes so let's say 2 Ashes series and after that if he's fit enough, want to continue (i doubt that) or successfully lead his team then who knows.

Stuart Broad name popped up in captaincy race too so it won't be surprising decision, although would be great if they go with some younger guy.

English cricket should move on from Anderson and Broad, they have played enough cricket and must be replaced with new bowler who can serve the country for next 5 to 10 years. Ben is almost 31 years and if he can perform good both as player and captain then England can be a good test side in next 4 to 5 years.

[Sithara007]

I agree with the first part. If you are not a citizen of a particular country, then you don't deserve a chance to play in the national team. These non-citizens, if they want can play for the United Nations team. And for the second point, first and foremost if the natives are included in the national team, then there will be a growth in interest in cricket. On the other hand, if they put up sham national teams like what we have in Czech Republic or Norway, then it will remain as a sport that is exclusively played by the foreigners.

It will take some time to develop a quality cricket team from native players if you are new to cricket. Since it need some time to develop local infrastructure that can produce good cricketers. But short term gain lies in making a team of expats like done by UAE, Oman and other countries. Even UAE woman team is of expats and ICC is focusing more on short term financial gains

UAE has been fielding teams full of Indians and Pakistanis for the last 50+ years. Even after this much time, they can't get a single national to represent their squad. So there is no point in saying that making teams 100% comprised of foreigners will have any positive impact on the popularity of cricket in that particular country. The same can be said about teams like Hong Kong, Germany, Norway.etc. Then there is a second category, comprised of teams such as Denmark, Netherlands, Japan.etc. These teams used to be comprised mostly of natives. But now they are also moving towards 100% foreigner composition.

[minairia3]

He has a lot of experience as a Vice-Captain of the English test cricket side. His first match as a captain would be against NZ in June this year. This would be a tough test match as NZ is a world champion. As an all-rounder, he has been a great asset to the English side and I think his performance wont be affected as a captain.

I also agreed that his performance should not be affected too much just because of him being the captain of England. But I wonder if he will be able to do his job properly which is captaining the side. That should not also be a big problem because he has some experience as a vice-captain.

I just hope that he doesn't break down mentally again. He's an allrounder which is already a very tough job when you're playing all 3 format (including franchise cricket The 100 etc). He's also field out of the 30 yard circle so Joe Root's experience should help him a bit but of course it would depend on who is going to be next vice-captain.
I think Jimmy-Broad are going to come back in the test squad soon. 

Mental health is a big issue for almost every player, I hope he can keep himself mentally stable. I think he is a player of pure class and just taking on the Captaincy is not going to make a big difference.
I would also like to see Stuart Broad and James Anderson, the classic duo back in the test match.

[Marvell1]

What I feel really hard to believe is that this has been going on for so long and ICC has not made any rules about it. I don't think any country should be able to play any foreigners in the team. My suggestion is that if they actually want to play foreigners in the team they have to give them citizenship first.

Otherwise, they cannot have foreign players playing for the national team. if they cannot make a team which players of their own nationality I suggest that other teams should be given chances instead of a team that is made out of foreign players altogether

It will take some time to develop a quality cricket team from native players if you are new to cricket. Since it need some time to develop local infrastructure that can produce good cricketers. But short term gain lies in making a team of expats like done by UAE, Oman and other countries. Even UAE woman team is of expats and ICC is focusing more on short term financial gains

UAE has been fielding teams full of Indians and Pakistanis for the last 50+ years. Even after this much time, they can't get a single national to represent their squad. So there is no point in saying that making teams 100% comprised of foreigners will have any positive impact on the popularity of cricket in that particular country. The same can be said about teams like Hong Kong, Germany, Norway.etc. Then there is a second category, comprised of teams such as Denmark, Netherlands, Japan.etc. These teams used to be comprised mostly of natives. But now they are also moving towards 100% foreigner composition.

[coinism]

UAE has been fielding teams full of Indians and Pakistanis for the last 50+ years. Even after this much time, they can't get a single national to represent their squad. So there is no point in saying that making teams 100% comprised of foreigners will have any positive impact on the popularity of cricket in that particular country. The same can be said about teams like Hong Kong, Germany, Norway.etc. Then there is a second category, comprised of teams such as Denmark, Netherlands, Japan.etc. These teams used to be comprised mostly of natives. But now they are also moving towards 100% foreigner composition.

Countries are moving towards foreigner players since native people don't like cricket so much. Seems like it's only south asain living in countries like Japan, uae , USA like and play cricket. The main reason for this non participation is lengthy format of cricket like test and odi.

[Sithara007]

What I feel really hard to believe is that this has been going on for so long and ICC has not made any rules about it. I don't think any country should be able to play any foreigners in the team. My suggestion is that if they actually want to play foreigners in the team they have to give them citizenship first.

Otherwise, they cannot have foreign players playing for the national team. if they cannot make a team which players of their own nationality I suggest that other teams should be given chances instead of a team that is made out of foreign players altogether

The ICC on the other hand is very clear on this. Until two decades back, it was not possible for foreigners to get in to national teams. But this rule was changed sometime ago.. and then anyone with 6 months of residence was allowed to represent national teams irrespective of their citizenship status. Now we can see a lot of medical students from South Asia featuring in national teams all over the world. Countries such as Russia and Czech Republic are attractive destinations for students from India and Pakistan and some of these students in turn end up in cricket teams.

[eaLiTy]

UAE has been fielding teams full of Indians and Pakistanis for the last 50+ years. Even after this much time, they can't get a single national to represent their squad. So there is no point in saying that making teams 100% comprised of foreigners will have any positive impact on the popularity of cricket in that particular country.

The reason is simple, the Middle East community do not love to play Cricket but majority of them are die hard Football lovers. To find players from national community there should be some interest and it is lacking and the next aspect is the payment they get playing the sport.

The same can be said about teams like Hong Kong, Germany, Norway.etc. Then there is a second category, comprised of teams such as Denmark, Netherlands, Japan.etc. These teams used to be comprised mostly of natives. But now they are also moving towards 100% foreigner composition.

Netherland has some good players and to attract new members to the sport they need to see it as a sport that will provide them a good future especially financially and until then you will not find a huge pool of talents.