Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[blatchcorn]

I doubt whether there is any understanding between BCCI and the South African Cricket board like you think. The sole reason they are not stopping the players is because if they put pressure on the players on not to participate in the IPL, then they need to give them a much bigger salary which they are not able to or risk the player announcing the retirement from International Cricket, i guess the later is true.

If the boards restrict the players from participating in the IPL, then they will announce their retirement and focus solely on franchise cricket as they can make a much bigger earning than their national contract and the prime example is AB de Villiers.

IPL not only pays the player but also board for releasing the players for IPL. For the first time CA stopped its players from participating in IPL 2022 because of ongoing Pakistan tour. Small boards like South Africa are happy to sacrifice players for IPL for the financial gains. South Africa first time on its soil lost to Bangladesh since its players are in IPL.

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[Sithara007]

IPL not only pays the player but also board for releasing the players for IPL. For the first time CA stopped its players from participating in IPL 2022 because of ongoing Pakistan tour. Small boards like South Africa are happy to sacrifice players for IPL for the financial gains. South Africa first time on its soil lost to Bangladesh since its players are in IPL.

For overseas players, 20% of the salary directly goes to the national cricket board. So for SENA nations, IPL is a revenue generating source. And for boards such as West Indies and South Africa (which are in a very weak condition financially), this amount can be life changing. And it creates a lot of disparity as well. Pakistani players are not allowed, and so the PCB is losing out on the money. The same can be said about associate nations, and lower ranking test nations such as Bangladesh, Ireland and Zimbabwe.

[Mamun74]

South Africa vs Bangladesh 1st Test,1st innings SA scored 367/10 and Bangladesh all out 298/10. Bangladeshi young batsman Joy got his 1st Maiden 100*. He is a brilliant a batsman in test cricket. Then 2nd Innings running SA 6/0, 3days Stump.If SA scored under 250 then i think Bangladesh will win this test match.

[onecall123]

South Africa vs Bangladesh 1st Test,1st innings SA scored 367/10 and Bangladesh all out 298/10. Bangladeshi young batsman Joy got his 1st Maiden 100*. He is a brilliant a batsman in test cricket.

When it was impossible for batters to even score a half century, but look at Opener Joy. The brilliant ton of Mahmudul Hasan Joy illuminates day three. The Bangladesh cricket team has matured at every level.

Then 2nd Innings running SA 6/0, 3days Stump.If SA scored under 250 then i think Bangladesh will win this test match.

At the end of day three, South Africa leads by 75 runs. There's no dream restricting them to less than 250 runs. From how the spine ball is turning, it appears RSA will not be able to bat for a long time. Also the rain ended Day 3 at Durban early so there is a good chance of a draw!

[Swordsoffreedom]

South Africa vs Bangladesh 1st Test,1st innings SA scored 367/10 and Bangladesh all out 298/10. Bangladeshi young batsman Joy got his 1st Maiden 100*. He is a brilliant a batsman in test cricket. Then 2nd Innings running SA 6/0, 3days Stump.If SA scored under 250 then i think Bangladesh will win this test match.

Bangladesh will not win if South Africa sets a target of around 250 runs. In the past, we have seen many times unprofessional performances of Bangladeshi players in the second innings. Moreover, it is very difficult for any experienced team to win the match by collecting 250 runs on the last day. So I see very little chance of Bangladesh winning this match. However, Bangladesh has a good chance to draw. Let's see how the bowlers of Bangladesh perform on the fourth day.

[Mamun74]

South Africa vs Bangladesh 1st Test,1st innings SA scored 367/10 and Bangladesh all out 298/10. Bangladeshi young batsman Joy got his 1st Maiden 100*. He is a brilliant a batsman in test cricket. Then 2nd Innings running SA 6/0, 3days Stump.If SA scored under 250 then i think Bangladesh will win this test match.

Bangladesh will not win if South Africa sets a target of around 250 runs. In the past, we have seen many times unprofessional performances of Bangladeshi players in the second innings. Moreover, it is very difficult for any experienced team to win the match by collecting 250 runs on the last day. So I see very little chance of Bangladesh winning this match. However, Bangladesh has a good chance to draw. Let's see how the bowlers of Bangladesh perform on the fourth day.

But now some player playing very well in test Cricket. Like Liton Das performance is very improving match by match.I think Bangladeshi batter have to power to chess 250 run in 2nd innings. But Bangladeshi players need to more improve and more patience in Test cricket.

[Iranus]

South Africa vs Bangladesh 1st Test,1st innings SA scored 367/10 and Bangladesh all out 298/10. Bangladeshi young batsman Joy got his 1st Maiden 100*. He is a brilliant a batsman in test cricket. Then 2nd Innings running SA 6/0, 3days Stump.If SA scored under 250 then i think Bangladesh will win this test match.

Bangladesh will not win if South Africa sets a target of around 250 runs. In the past, we have seen many times unprofessional performances of Bangladeshi players in the second innings. Moreover, it is very difficult for any experienced team to win the match by collecting 250 runs on the last day. So I see very little chance of Bangladesh winning this match. However, Bangladesh has a good chance to draw. Let's see how the bowlers of Bangladesh perform on the fourth day.

But now some player playing very well in test Cricket. Like Liton Das performance is very improving match by match.I think Bangladeshi batter have to power to chess 250 run in 2nd innings. But Bangladeshi players need to more improve and more patience in Test cricket.

Also, I think the Bangladeshi bowlers let everyone down because they did not bowl in the right line and length consistently. they have bowled countless short balls which were really easy to hit and the  South Africans just scored easy boundaries.

In the batting Bangladesh also did not do very well because the only person I can see doing well in the first innings of Bangladesh is  Mahmudul Hasan Joy. He scored a great century and I really don't see anyone play a good inning except for him in that innings.

I don't think Bangladeshi will be are able to win this match but they sure do have a great chance of a draw. South Africa already leads by 130 runs and if they give a target anything above 270 I think it will be really difficult for Bangladesh to win.

[JSRAW]

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Yes, that's right and BCCI-CSA also have understanding or i guess some sort of contract that they will not stop their players.

Now coming back to the link i've posted. There is a context behind this article and my "evil_ipl" statement.

Before the Bangladesh series, Protea's skipper Dean Elgar made a statement about "Loyalties of Players, who play in the IPL" and then few South African's journalists came up with different argument by pointing out sorry state of national contract.

I doubt whether there is any understanding between BCCI and the South African Cricket board like you think. The sole reason they are not stopping the players is because if they put pressure on the players on not to participate in the IPL, then they need to give them a much bigger salary which they are not able to or risk the player announcing the retirement from International Cricket, i guess the later is true.

If the boards restrict the players from participating in the IPL, then they will announce their retirement and focus solely on franchise cricket as they can make a much bigger earning than their national contract and the prime example is AB de Villiers.

This understanding comes from the excellent relation between both boards. According to my reading CSA revenue sources are BIG-3 nations, in recent time ECB pulled out from the series due to bio bubble breach. CA didn't even bother to visit. BCCI on the other hand didn't cancel the bilateral series, they even backed the CSA after new covid variant came into limelight. Another example is, in the past during IPL CSA always tried to avoid scheduling any bilateral series but due to covid it wasn't possible because every country's calendar got disturbed in the pandemic. 

Your statement is also correct barring AB de Villiers's part. There was virtually no pressure on him from the CSA regarding IPL. He just took early retirement out of nowhere, may be he ran out of gas at the age of 34. Mostly proteas players/officials take early retirement/leave due to CSA's politics.

[blatchcorn]

For overseas players, 20% of the salary directly goes to the national cricket board. So for SENA nations, IPL is a revenue generating source. And for boards such as West Indies and South Africa (which are in a very weak condition financially), this amount can be life changing. And it creates a lot of disparity as well. Pakistani players are not allowed, and so the PCB is losing out on the money. The same can be said about associate nations, and lower ranking test nations such as Bangladesh, Ireland and Zimbabwe.

Due to this 20% boards have no hesitation in releasing players for IPL despite international series going on in the country. You are right, the main reason why Pakistani players are not allowed in ipl is not to give any financial gain to PCB. They have there own league psl, but I m sure it's say behind in terms of financial gains that IPL provide.

[ibuddy122505]

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Also, I think the Bangladeshi bowlers let everyone down because they did not bowl in the right line and length consistently. they have bowled countless short balls which were really easy to hit and the  South Africans just scored easy boundaries.

In the batting Bangladesh also did not do very well because the only person I can see doing well in the first innings of Bangladesh is  Mahmudul Hasan Joy. He scored a great century and I really don't see anyone play a good inning except for him in that innings.

I don't think Bangladeshi will be are able to win this match but they sure do have a great chance of a draw. South Africa already leads by 130 runs and if they give a target anything above 270 I think it will be really difficult for Bangladesh to win.

In the second innings SA all out in 204 runs, BAN need 274 runs. In replay three crucial wickets were down in just six over before stumps the day of 4. Bangladesh hopes of victory as SA give a target of 274 runs. But, after getting quick wickets South Africa in control heading into the last day. Taking into account how the pitch is functioning, it's to be expected. It's very much possible SA's blowers will grab all rest of the wickets in the first season of the final day. But, Bangladeshi players can return tomorrow?

[coinism]

Yes, that's right and BCCI-CSA also have understanding or i guess some sort of contract that they will not stop their players.

Now coming back to the link i've posted. There is a context behind this article and my "evil_ipl" statement.

Before the Bangladesh series, Protea's skipper Dean Elgar made a statement about "Loyalties of Players, who play in the IPL" and then few South African's journalists came up with different argument by pointing out sorry state of national contract.

I read the link you provided and the sad aspect is that if and English or Aussie players turn down IPL offer or join it late then he is not losing as much money as SA player will lose. SA have extraordinary record at home against Asian teams but now they that level has dropped to level that they are losing series to Bangladesh. Both players and CSA have no objection in releasing players for IPL then this is deemed to happen.

[Mahdirakib]

~snip~ Taking into account how the pitch is functioning, it's to be expected. It's very much possible SA's blowers will grab all rest of the wickets in the first season of the final day. But, Bangladeshi players can return tomorrow?

Bangladeshi players won't be able to return in the game. The target isn't so much. But they are showing pathetic batting performance. Only few overs were left for the day 4. The openers should have saved their wickets. I was expecting a draw at least. It won't be possible anymore. Perhaps, Bangladesh will be all out in the first season of tomorrow. They may longer the game to second season, but they won't be able to comeback in match.

[eaLiTy]

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Bangladeshi players won't be able to return in the game. The target isn't so much. But they are showing pathetic batting performance. Only few overs were left for the day 4. The openers should have saved their wickets. I was expecting a draw at least. It won't be possible anymore. Perhaps, Bangladesh will be all out in the first season of tomorrow. They may longer the game to second season, but they won't be able to comeback in match.

Bangladesh was in a great position as they were able to restrict South Africa at a low score and the target is not that big, but they already lost their top three and the match depends upon how long Mominul Haque, Mushfiqur Rahim and Litton Das can bat in the final day. If they are planning to go on a defensive mode then South Africa will pack them before the first two sessions but hopefully they will go for the win rather than a defensive play.

[romero121]

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Bangladeshi players won't be able to return in the game. The target isn't so much. But they are showing pathetic batting performance. Only few overs were left for the day 4. The openers should have saved their wickets. I was expecting a draw at least. It won't be possible anymore. Perhaps, Bangladesh will be all out in the first season of tomorrow. They may longer the game to second season, but they won't be able to comeback in match.

Bangladesh was in a great position as they were able to restrict South Africa at a low score and the target is not that big, but they already lost their top three and the match depends upon how long Mominul Haque, Mushfiqur Rahim and Litton Das can bat in the final day. If they are planning to go on a defensive mode then South Africa will pack them before the first two sessions but hopefully they will go for the win rather than a defensive play.

Bangladesh should not go for the defensive approach. Scoring approach will help Bangladesh, because the score isn't big. If Bangladesh manage to follow scoring approach it can reach 200 runs easily losing two more wickets. Surely this will transfer some pressure on South Africa. Maybe that can be used as the right moment to score and win the match. Anyhow these are all just predictions, and the reality is with South Africa's confident performance.

[Rana590]

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Bangladeshi players won't be able to return in the game. The target isn't so much. But they are showing pathetic batting performance. Only few overs were left for the day 4. The openers should have saved their wickets. I was expecting a draw at least. It won't be possible anymore. Perhaps, Bangladesh will be all out in the first season of tomorrow. They may longer the game to second season, but they won't be able to comeback in match.

Bangladesh was in a great position as they were able to restrict South Africa at a low score and the target is not that big, but they already lost their top three and the match depends upon how long Mominul Haque, Mushfiqur Rahim and Litton Das can bat in the final day. If they are planning to go on a defensive mode then South Africa will pack them before the first two sessions but hopefully they will go for the win rather than a defensive play.

Bangladesh should not go for the defensive approach. Scoring approach will help Bangladesh, because the score isn't big. If Bangladesh manage to follow scoring approach it can reach 200 runs easily losing two more wickets. Surely this will transfer some pressure on South Africa. Maybe that can be used as the right moment to score and win the match. Anyhow these are all just predictions, and the reality is with South Africa's confident performance.

Defensive mood is very bad for Bangladesh. Though it is a test match, they need to play like ODI. No matter it is test or ODI, they need to win this match because target isn't so high. They have already lost 3 important wickets but still have opportunity to win this match. They need to bat well in the last day so that they can manage to draw at least.

[savetheFORUM]

Bangladesh was in a great position as they were able to restrict South Africa at a low score and the target is not that big, but they already lost their top three and the match depends upon how long Mominul Haque, Mushfiqur Rahim and Litton Das can bat in the final day. If they are planning to go on a defensive mode then South Africa will pack them before the first two sessions but hopefully they will go for the win rather than a defensive play.

After South African second inning I was feeling great about Bangladesh chances in this test match because they already won ODI series and with current form and confidence there was chance for visitors to win this first test match and having chance for historic test win here in South Africa but sadly their start is very ordinary, and they lost in just six overs with 11 runs on board and Maharaj is going to kill them tomorrow and going to ruin their chances of win test match at South African soil.

Even in presence of Shanto and Rahim they have some chance but Maharaj is key for home side, and now he is good experienced bowler which is surely going to kill their dreams even he was wicket less in first inning Durban could be dream place for Bangladesh team as still need 263 runs with 7 wickets in hand and all day to chase this all.

[7788bitcoin]

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Even in presence of Shanto and Rahim they have some chance but Maharaj is key for home side, and now he is good experienced bowler which is surely going to kill their dreams even he was wicket less in first inning Durban could be dream place for Bangladesh team as still need 263 runs with 7 wickets in hand and all day to chase this all.

South Africa is not having their main bowlers in this tournament because they are playing in the IPL and even in that situation they lost 3 to order wicket while chasing and it is not going to be easy for them. They have an entire day to win the match but they lack the batsman of high quality to play the anchor role, but if they are able to then it would be historic.

I will be surprised if Bangladesh batting continue in the third session tomorrow.

[kro55]

South Africa is not having their main bowlers in this tournament because they are playing in the IPL and even in that situation they lost 3 to order wicket while chasing and it is not going to be easy for them. They have an entire day to win the match but they lack the batsman of high quality to play the anchor role, but if they are able to then it would be historic.

I will be surprised if Bangladesh batting continue in the third session tomorrow.

South Africa may not have their first-class bowlers in the squad. Yet those in the squad are talented enough. And I think these bowlers are enough to win against Bangladesh. I think so because there are very few batsmen who can be relied on in the Bangladesh team. Their patience is very low. There are no suitable players for the Test format. However, Bangladesh lost three valuable wickets for just 11 runs. 263 more runs were needed to win. If Bangladesh wants to win then Mushfiqur and. Experienced players like Liton have to play well.

[galambo]

South Africa is not having their main bowlers in this tournament because they are playing in the IPL and even in that situation they lost 3 to order wicket while chasing and it is not going to be easy for them. They have an entire day to win the match but they lack the batsman of high quality to play the anchor role, but if they are able to then it would be historic.

I will be surprised if Bangladesh batting continue in the third session tomorrow.

Bangladeshi bowlers have done a good job by bowling out SA at 204 runs. In reply Bangladesh batting is disappointed as 3 out of 4 top order batsmen are back in the pavilion on just 11 run. On Day 5, Bangladesh will need 263 runs to win while SA need 7 more wickets to win. Bangladesh had good opportunity to win this test but they have very much lost that.

[JSRAW]

After watching SA vs Ban 4th day's highlight. It looks like Bongbros were hard done by the umpire's call, plenty of decisions went against them. I understand umpiring is not an easy task but damn most of the decisions were absolutely plumb. Bongs managed to undo some damage by using DRS but still they missed out couple of em.

I think ICC should give green light to neutral umpires again, covid is here to stay and teams are frequently travelling so why not neutral umpires for any series? I don't think in modern times home umpires are intentionally give biased decision(due to technology) but having neutral umpires is fair practice, at least then no one would accused them of being biased and might concentrate on main problem, which is bad umpiring (ICC Elite Panel).