Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[JSRAW]

Quick list of Indian players, i might have missed 1 or 2.

1. Kohli - His schedule is already packed as he plays all 3 format
2. Bumrah - Same as above
3. Rohit - Stopped playing domestic cricket. not regular in the Test format.
4. Ambati- Bad luck followed him after retiring from the domestic cricket, BCCI didn't like it and poor lad got kicked out from the national team.
5. Gill - Sometimes when not playing for India A
6. Iyer - When not playing for India or India A
7. Shikhar- Denied playing in the Ranji, kicked out from the test team.
8. Chahal/Kuldeep - They play but not much.
9. Bhuvi - Injured, he used to be a regular in all 3 squad
10. KL Rahul -Started playing in the domestic after kicked out from the Test Squad
11. Rishab - Stopped playing domestic cricket as he's regular member in the all 3 squad for quite some time.
12. Shami- Same as above
13. Jadega- Same as above

Regulars in Ranji /Domestic
14. Ishant- Checked
15. Ashwin - Checked
16. Pujara- Checked
17. Ajinkya- Checked
18. Mayank -Checked
19. Prithvi- Checked
20. Vihari -Checked
21. Saha - Checked

Edit

PS : I forgot fast bowler Umesh Yadav. He's regular in Ranji as well

[ene1980]

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But those who are not playing regularly, should prove their worth in the domestic setup. Unfortunately, this is not happening in any of the South Asian nations (Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka.etc).

I thought players who are returning from a long lay off due to injury or when they are out of form should prove their worth by playing in the domestic tournament to proove their worth, if they are not competing in those tournament how are they going to showcase their talent and fitness to get to the national team. What is the method they are using for selection for these fringe players.

[Vishnu.Reang]

The post by JSRAW is very informative. In particular, I am not very happy with Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan and Rishabh Pant. These guys should at least occasionally appear in the domestic matches. Rishabh Pant is just 22 years old and he is not a regular in the playing XI. If he shows attitude like this, then his career growth may get stunted.

[glowing10]

I would like Bhuvi, Shami and Pant to return back to domestic cricket when they are not playing internationally. Because all 3 of them are not always in the side. Sometimes they are in and sometimes they are out. Domestic cricket will help them to get back their form and to continue just like consider it as a net practice. Also, the younger talent will get help when they play as they will learn and see them playing live for many those will be the role models who may be looking will also get a chance to play with them.

[JSRAW]

The post by JSRAW is very informative. In particular, I am not very happy with Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan and Rishabh Pant. These guys should at least occasionally appear in the domestic matches. Rishabh Pant is just 22 years old and he is not a regular in the playing XI. If he shows attitude like this, then his career growth may get stunted.

In context of playing in the Ranji, i think Rohit always gets a pass because he's Mumbikar . Dhawan's test career is finished for good so he's never going to play in the Ranji ever, but he should feature in Vijay Hazare and Deodhar Trophy now and then. For more clarity, the reason we don't seen Rishabh in domestic arena because BCCI always keep him as a backup WC-Batsman in the all 3 squads (T-20, ODI, Test) and when he's not in the playing XI, he sits at the bench instead of representing India A or his state, so its kinda BCCI's fault not his.

I would like Bhuvi, Shami and Pant to return back to domestic cricket when they are not playing internationally. Because all 3 of them are not always in the side. Sometimes they are in and sometimes they are out.

Tried to Cover Pant's situation above. Shami is playing more or less all 3 format and he's performing quite well. He's fast bowler so he deserve some rest when not playing any limited over cricket (T-20/ODI). TBH BCCI managing and rotating their fast bowlers quite well so i have no complaints as far as fast bowling is concern. Bhuvi's situation is worrisome due to his injuries though. I like him as a cricketer and person so i hope he makes his comeback in the squad or Ranji soon.

PS : I forgot fast bowler Umesh Yadav. He's regular in Ranji as well

[eaLiTy]

I would like Bhuvi, Shami and Pant to return back to domestic cricket when they are not playing internationally. Because all 3 of them are not always in the side. Sometimes they are in and sometimes they are out. Domestic cricket will help them to get back their form and to continue just like consider it as a net practice. Also, the younger talent will get help when they play as they will learn and see them playing live for many those will be the role models who may be looking will also get a chance to play with them.

Bhuvanesh Kumar is injured and so is the reason he is not in the International set up and he needs to focus on fitness and Mohammed Shami is overcame his fitness issue and bowling really well and he needs rest rather than venturing into Domestic matches as India is playing more Test ODI and T20 and on top of that IPL and if they have a dip in form then they need to play domestic matches and in the case of Rishabh Pant he needs to have more exposure in the domestic setup and pile up runs to get the confidence to play International matches including improving his wicket keeping skills.

[UmerIdrees]

~snip~

It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.

I understand he's pretty big role model in Pakistan due to his Boom-Boom batting style but make no mistake, in the cricketing world and among cricket fraternity he's regarded as one of the worst batter who wasted his talent/2 decades due to very same immature batting style "Boom Boom" despite playing for so long... Frickin 398 ODI.

I understand that he is not a consistent batsmen but he had few things which make him last for 2 decades in national cricket team. His "Boom Boom" style has become a brand and he was not only a batsmen. He won many match for Pakistan by his bowling. He could be used as a full time spinner. He was an all-rounder and one of the best and active fielder in the team.

[pakhitheboss]

~snip~

It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.

I understand he's pretty big role model in Pakistan due to his Boom-Boom batting style but make no mistake, in the cricketing world and among cricket fraternity he's regarded as one of the worst batter who wasted his talent/2 decades due to very same immature batting style "Boom Boom" despite playing for so long... Frickin 398 ODI.

I understand that he is not a consistent batsmen but he had few things which make him last for 2 decades in national cricket team. His "Boom Boom" style has become a brand and he was not only a batsmen. He won many match for Pakistan by his bowling. He could be used as a full time spinner. He was an all-rounder and one of the best and active fielder in the team.

Yes, he is known for Boom Boom but that does not mean he can be considered as an overall allrounder. He always played without any maturity and that has been one of the reasons why he is not taken seriously by the cricketing faternity.

[UmerIdrees]

~snip~

It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.

I understand he's pretty big role model in Pakistan due to his Boom-Boom batting style but make no mistake, in the cricketing world and among cricket fraternity he's regarded as one of the worst batter who wasted his talent/2 decades due to very same immature batting style "Boom Boom" despite playing for so long... Frickin 398 ODI.

I understand that he is not a consistent batsmen but he had few things which make him last for 2 decades in national cricket team. His "Boom Boom" style has become a brand and he was not only a batsmen. He won many match for Pakistan by his bowling. He could be used as a full time spinner. He was an all-rounder and one of the best and active fielder in the team.

Yes, he is known for Boom Boom but that does not mean he can be considered as an overall allrounder. He always played without any maturity and that has been one of the reasons why he is not taken seriously by the cricketing faternity.

He was one of the most wanted person in International cricket and people were crazy to see him. People came in stadium only to watch him. Most of the times when Pakistan team were in trouble, he was always the last hope but that last hope was disappointing most of the time.

[Indymoney]

~snip~

It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.

I understand he's pretty big role model in Pakistan due to his Boom-Boom batting style but make no mistake, in the cricketing world and among cricket fraternity he's regarded as one of the worst batter who wasted his talent/2 decades due to very same immature batting style "Boom Boom" despite playing for so long... Frickin 398 ODI.

I understand that he is not a consistent batsmen but he had few things which make him last for 2 decades in national cricket team. His "Boom Boom" style has become a brand and he was not only a batsmen. He won many match for Pakistan by his bowling. He could be used as a full time spinner. He was an all-rounder and one of the best and active fielder in the team.

Yes, he is known for Boom Boom but that does not mean he can be considered as an overall allrounder. He always played without any maturity and that has been one of the reasons why he is not taken seriously by the cricketing faternity.

Peoples are very furious about him even Afridi is one of worst cricketer in cricket history as many bad and worst recoreds on his name but right now peoples love for his social works and some of his Foundation which is now working in many rural areas of Pakistan so better we not talk about him and lets talk about some good in coming days of good cricket.

[7788bitcoin]

Yes, he is known for Boom Boom but that does not mean he can be considered as an overall allrounder. He always played without any maturity and that has been one of the reasons why he is not taken seriously by the cricketing faternity.

There are no true all rounders in cricket for decades, now all the tag all rounders has a sub tag as well, bowlers who can bat a bit and batsman who can bowl a bit and if you look in that sense Shahid Afridi is an allrounder, even though he started out as a bowler he came into the Pakistan team as an explosive opening batsman and when he gets going he is a force to reckon with the bat and could win matches single handily and he was a decent fielder as well.

[JSRAW]

^^True, when we talk about all-rounder then Kallis's name comes to mind.

~snip~
He was one of the most wanted person in International cricket and people were crazy to see him. People came in stadium only to watch him. Most of the times when Pakistan team were in trouble, he was always the last hope but that last hope was disappointing most of the time.

Again, He loved by Pakistani fans only not other way around. I remember how he played stupid shots countless time when team needed him even commentators used to say this many time "Afridi's lifeline is 5-10 balls only" and he never disappointed anyone in this regards.

[pakhitheboss]

Yes, he is known for Boom Boom but that does not mean he can be considered as an overall allrounder. He always played without any maturity and that has been one of the reasons why he is not taken seriously by the cricketing faternity.

There are no true all rounders in cricket for decades, now all the tag all rounders has a sub tag as well, bowlers who can bat a bit and batsman who can bowl a bit and if you look in that sense Shahid Afridi is an allrounder, even though he started out as a bowler he came into the Pakistan team as an explosive opening batsman and when he gets going he is a force to reckon with the bat and could win matches single handily and he was a decent fielder as well.

I still do not agree an inconsistent player who has always displayed immaturity on and off the field can be considered as a great all rounder. Pakistan has a history of brilliant and respected all rounders in the past. Comparing Afridi as a game changer, game saver and an all rounder is a disgrace to those legends.

[JSRAW]

Pakistan will tour UK; to arrive on June 28
Takeaway
- ECB and PCB mutually understand each other.
- Arrival on June 28th but no clarity on fixtures yet.
- 10 players who tested positive will not travel with the squad, may be separate once they clears the test.
- 2nd round of testing on June 25th (who already tested negative)
- Mandatory 14 days quarantine for everyone.

[7788bitcoin]

^^True, when we talk about all-rounder then Kallis's name comes to mind.

Jacques Kallis is the last true allrounder we saw in world cricket and Andrew Flintoff is another close player who had the potential but he showcased his bowling potential only during the 2005 Ashes but he could not fulfill the potential constantly.

I still do not agree an inconsistent player who has always displayed immaturity on and off the field can be considered as a great all rounder. Pakistan has a history of brilliant and respected all rounders in the past. Comparing Afridi as a game changer, game saver and an all rounder is a disgrace to those legends.

I never said Afridi was a consistent allrounder, historically there is only one allrounder for Pakistan and that is Imran Khan and there is no other player that can be tagged as an allrounder in the history of Pakistan cricket if you are looking at that lense.

[vella85]

Its good to see that there will be some test match cricket played in the coming month between England and the WI. I think that the series will be evenly matched as there hasn't been any cricket played for so long so we can't really say one team has an advantage except for home ground advantage. Anyway I'm thinking of betting on the WI to win the first test match as some value as we don't know how well the teams will perform with no playing for so long.

[JohnBitCo]

Its good to see that there will be some test match cricket played in the coming month between England and the WI. I think that the series will be evenly matched as there hasn't been any cricket played for so long so we can't really say one team has an advantage except for home ground advantage. Anyway I'm thinking of betting on the WI to win the first test match as some value as we don't know how well the teams will perform with no playing for so long.

Finally we are going to see some live cricket action from 1st July, 2020. After  long waiting it will be good to see some live action from England.
First Test will be played at Southampton while the 2nd and 3rd test will be played at Manchester ground.

1st Test England Vs WestIndies  8   July
2nd Test England Vs  WestIndies     16  July
3st Test England Vs WestIndies  24 July

[Juggy777]

Its good to see that there will be some test match cricket played in the coming month between England and the WI. I think that the series will be evenly matched as there hasn't been any cricket played for so long so we can't really say one team has an advantage except for home ground advantage. Anyway I'm thinking of betting on the WI to win the first test match as some value as we don't know how well the teams will perform with no playing for so long.

Finally we are going to see some live cricket action from 1st July, 2020. After  long waiting it will be good to see some live action from England.
First Test will be played at Southampton while the 2nd and 3rd test will be played at Manchester ground.

1st Test England Vs WestIndies  8   July
2nd Test England Vs  WestIndies     16  July
3st Test England Vs WestIndies  24 July

@vella85 yea England only has the home ground advantage, but it’s also pertinent to note they can’t shine the ball and without the shine I don’t think that they’ll benefit from playing at home. Also WI player’s attitude feels like they’re over confident of beating England, hence I’m tempted to wager on England as I feel that WI will loose due to their player’s arrogance/over confidence.

Sources:

https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/06/14/england-versus-west-indies-who-will-win-the-wisden-trophy/

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29292914/jason-holder-says-world-come-together-west-indies-arrive-historic-tour

[pakhitheboss]

Its good to see that there will be some test match cricket played in the coming month between England and the WI. I think that the series will be evenly matched as there hasn't been any cricket played for so long so we can't really say one team has an advantage except for home ground advantage. Anyway I'm thinking of betting on the WI to win the first test match as some value as we don't know how well the teams will perform with no playing for so long.

Finally we are going to see some live cricket action from 1st July, 2020. After  long waiting it will be good to see some live action from England.
First Test will be played at Southampton while the 2nd and 3rd test will be played at Manchester ground.

1st Test England Vs WestIndies  8   July
2nd Test England Vs  WestIndies     16  July
3st Test England Vs WestIndies  24 July

@vella85 yea England only has the home ground advantage, but it’s also pertinent to note they can’t shine the ball and without the shine I don’t think that they’ll benefit from playing at home. Also WI player’s attitude feels like they’re over confident of beating England, hence I’m tempted to wager on England as I feel that WI will loose due to their player’s arrogance/over confidence.

Sources:

https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/06/14/england-versus-west-indies-who-will-win-the-wisden-trophy/

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29292914/jason-holder-says-world-come-together-west-indies-arrive-historic-tour

Both teams have to follow the new rule, wherein they will not be able to shine the ball. The advantage for England is that they will be playing in their home ground and are aware of the pitch condition as well as the climate. Whereas WI have to first adapt to the condition. Therefore England is in a better position than WI.

[JohnBitCo]

Its good to see that there will be some test match cricket played in the coming month between England and the WI. I think that the series will be evenly matched as there hasn't been any cricket played for so long so we can't really say one team has an advantage except for home ground advantage. Anyway I'm thinking of betting on the WI to win the first test match as some value as we don't know how well the teams will perform with no playing for so long.

Finally we are going to see some live cricket action from 1st July, 2020. After  long waiting it will be good to see some live action from England.
First Test will be played at Southampton while the 2nd and 3rd test will be played at Manchester ground.

1st Test England Vs WestIndies  8   July
2nd Test England Vs  WestIndies     16  July
3st Test England Vs WestIndies  24 July

@vella85 yea England only has the home ground advantage, but it’s also pertinent to note they can’t shine the ball and without the shine I don’t think that they’ll benefit from playing at home. Also WI player’s attitude feels like they’re over confident of beating England, hence I’m tempted to wager on England as I feel that WI will loose due to their player’s arrogance/over confidence.

Sources:

https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/06/14/england-versus-west-indies-who-will-win-the-wisden-trophy/

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29292914/jason-holder-says-world-come-together-west-indies-arrive-historic-tour

Both teams have to follow the new rule, wherein they will not be able to shine the ball. The advantage for England is that they will be playing in their home ground and are aware of the pitch condition as well as the climate. Whereas WI have to first adapt to the condition. Therefore England is in a better position than WI.

This new rule of not shining the ball is introduced keeping in view of the covid-19 and these are the temporary rules. The ball cannot be shine with  saliva but what if it is shined with the sweat of the players ? Players hand are wet from sweat and they can use it to shine the ball. Can't they ?

The other great rule is that if a person develops symptoms of covid19 in a test match he can be replaced with other player and neutral umpires is another good step including in the rules.