ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Sithara007]

Jofra Archer is still a young player. And he is a great bowler. He was not in form for a long time. But his transformation was remarkable. He has shown excellent bowling against South Africa. England won only on Jofra Archer's performance. It is a relief for England that Jofra Archer has returned to form. The England team for the next World Cup could use Jofra Archer well. But England needs one more seasoned talented pace bowler. Relying on just one bowler would be risky.

Well... they have Mark Wood. And if Chris Woakes get back to form by then, England would be one of the favorites to win this year's world cup. Their main problem at this moment is the absence of a quality spinner. Adil Rashid and Moeen Ali are not in good form, while Rehan Ahmed doesn't have much experience with white ball cricket.  World cup matches will be played in India, and without a quality spinner it will be impossible for England to restrict the opposing teams to totals of less than 300. There are some good spinners emerging from the county system, such as Liam Patterson-White, Jack Carson and Amar Virdi. But I don't know whether the selectors want to expose them to high level cricket now.

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England won the match because of Jofra Archer's brilliant bowling. Otherwise, the England team would have been defeated in today's match as well. Except for Jofra Archer, all the bowlers gave a lot of runs. However, this match was not important for South Africa. They won the series. But South Africa would have been able to win if the top order players had started the match well. But I would say South Africa's bowling line-up is still not strong enough. They need to strengthen their bowling line-up if they want to do well in the upcoming ODI World Cup.

Agreed. It was a spectacular comeback from Jofra Archer. He has been out of action for almost one and half years and then returns to take 6 wickets in his 9 overs, and that too against a team that successfully chased a target of 343 only a few days back. All the other England bowlers were leaking plenty of runs. Archer was the only one with an economy rate of less than 6.00. So it would be safe to say that without him, England would have lost the match. South Africa didn't looked like they were comfortable, at any point in the chase. They were regularly losing wickets.
Archer is just 27-years old and therefore he has the potential to become one of the legends in pace bowling. But he needs to stay away from injury. One encouraging sign is that he hasn't lost any of his pace. Throughout the match, he maintained an average speed of around 90 mph.

Jofra Archer is still a young player. And he is a great bowler. He was not in form for a long time. But his transformation was remarkable. He has shown excellent bowling against South Africa. England won only on Jofra Archer's performance. It is a relief for England that Jofra Archer has returned to form. The England team for the next World Cup could use Jofra Archer well. But England needs one more seasoned talented pace bowler. Relying on just one bowler would be risky.

England did not do well in the India series. But they will definitely be able to learn from the mistakes they made with this series. They should probably make big changes in bowling ‍action. In my perspective there are two more good bowlers needed along with Jofra Archer who can pick up wickets quickly. In the last match, Jofra Archer changed the picture of the match even though the player of the match was Jos Buttler. His good innings of 131 gave England a big target at the same time Jofra Archer's contribution was appreciable.

In recent series both teams were good but South Africa was more good with batting and that's the reason for their win . England balling except for the last match was bit weak and for preparation of world cup they have to work on that.
Batting wise both teams managed to collect good runs.

[Haunebu]

All that said, the vulnerability for England was their bowling, and not any other department. Even Archer bowled poorly in the first match, when he conceded 81 runs from his 10 overs. No one among the England bowlers performed in a consistent manner.

Agreed. England have so many amazing batsmen, but they have very few amazing bowlers these days which is why they are dominating all the formats like before. They need consistent bowlers like Broad, Anderson etc in their squad.

This is why I feel that their chances of winning the upcoming ODI World Cup are lower when compared to teams like Australia, India etc.

[John Abraham]

but they have very few amazing bowlers these days which is why they are dominating all the formats like before. They need consistent bowlers like Broad, Anderson etc in their squad.

This is why I feel that their chances of winning the upcoming ODI World Cup are lower when compared to teams like Australia, India etc.

I agree with part of it. But, Not completely. Because England Already has some young talent like Jofra Archer. If you watched the last match, You will agree with me. Jofra Archer win the match alone from the bowlers' side. He got six wickets and his economy was 4.40 which is very good in ODI. Chris Woakes and Sam Curran are other talented bowlers as well. Of course they need more time and you have to give them chance as well to prove theirself.

[Swordsoffreedom]

All that said, the vulnerability for England was their bowling, and not any other department. Even Archer bowled poorly in the first match, when he conceded 81 runs from his 10 overs. No one among the England bowlers performed in a consistent manner.

Agreed. England have so many amazing batsmen, but they have very few amazing bowlers these days which is why they are dominating all the formats like before. They need consistent bowlers like Broad, Anderson etc in their squad.

This is why I feel that their chances of winning the upcoming ODI World Cup are lower when compared to teams like Australia, India etc.

I would say that England is not favorites for the upcoming ODI World Cup. Because we know that England has some explosive batsmen. Every batsman is in very good form. Scoring 300 runs is easy for England batsmen. However, the performance of England's bowlers is very poor. If the bowlers are not good, I do not see the possibility of England's good results in the World Cup.

India and South Africa teams are in very good form now. I think the chances of these two teams winning the title are very high. I want to place the Australian team in third place. Australia's performance is now quite stable. I guess India will be able to win the title.

[sovie]

Jos freaking Buttler! Wow! This man is the new run machine these days. He keeps delivering consistently great performances in the ODI and test formats in recent times which makes him someone to watch out for in the upcoming World Cup.

Archer returned with a bang, but one epic performance isn't enough to state whether he is back in form or not.

Yes Jos Buttler was in good form in the last match and continuously he is making good scores and I think he is good for England in the coming ODI ICC world cup.
I was looking the prediction board before this match and I was looking much more votes in the favor of England team and as it is we saw a great performance from England team. Now the series is finished with 2-1.

I did not get the performance I expected from England against South Africa. Because in almost every match, England's batsmen performed well, but the bowlers' performance was poor. They bowled very badly. They lost even after giving a big score target of 343 runs. I will say that if the performance of the bowlers is not stronger in the coming days, then I do not consider the England team to be the favorite for the next World Cup. India and South Africa teams are much stronger and stable now.

England have been badly beaten in the first two matches against South Africa. As England lost the first two matches, South Africa secured their series. But in the last match, England was able to perform well. Jos Buttler has to be mentioned. He has been able to do his excellent performance.

[sovie]

All that said, the vulnerability for England was their bowling, and not any other department. Even Archer bowled poorly in the first match, when he conceded 81 runs from his 10 overs. No one among the England bowlers performed in a consistent manner.

Agreed. England have so many amazing batsmen, but they have very few amazing bowlers these days which is why they are dominating all the formats like before. They need consistent bowlers like Broad, Anderson etc in their squad.

This is why I feel that their chances of winning the upcoming ODI World Cup are lower when compared to teams like Australia, India etc.

I would say that England is not favorites for the upcoming ODI World Cup. Because we know that England has some explosive batsmen. Every batsman is in very good form. Scoring 300 runs is easy for England batsmen. However, the performance of England's bowlers is very poor. If the bowlers are not good, I do not see the possibility of England's good results in the World Cup.

India and South Africa teams are in very good form now. I think the chances of these two teams winning the title are very high. I want to place the Australian team in third place. Australia's performance is now quite stable. I guess India will be able to win the title.

South Africa are now back to their old performances. In the middle they really disappointed the fans. However, there are many qualified veteran players in the team who have been able to re-fit themselves and make the team stronger.

[GigaBit]

All that said, the vulnerability for England was their bowling, and not any other department. Even Archer bowled poorly in the first match, when he conceded 81 runs from his 10 overs. No one among the England bowlers performed in a consistent manner.

Agreed. England have so many amazing batsmen, but they have very few amazing bowlers these days which is why they are dominating all the formats like before. They need consistent bowlers like Broad, Anderson etc in their squad.

This is why I feel that their chances of winning the upcoming ODI World Cup are lower when compared to teams like Australia, India etc.

England cricket won the last T20 World Cup because Pakistan could not give any reliable target. By the Pakistan's low performance England got the victory very easily in that particular match. But that kind of opportunity may not happen again in the ODI world cup as they will not be able to beat India and Australia, the best team of the time. Currently England belongs to the fourth position in the ICC ranking, perhaps that place will be occupied by South Africa or Pakistan. If they fail to prepare their team early, in the next World Cup their condition will be the worst. ‍Since they can do good research about cricket, they will be able to reorganize the team.

[MusaPk]

England cricket won the last T20 World Cup because Pakistan could not give any reliable target. By the Pakistan's low performance England got the victory very easily in that particular match. But that kind of opportunity may not happen again in the ODI world cup as they will not be able to beat India and Australia, the best team of the time. Currently England belongs to the fourth position in the ICC ranking, perhaps that place will be occupied by South Africa or Pakistan. If they fail to prepare their team early, in the next World Cup their condition will be the worst. ‍Since they can do good research about cricket, they will be able to reorganize the team.

I think you forgetting how India lost to England in semi final of last T20 World Cup. England chased target of 168 runs in just 16 overs without losing a single wicket in semi final against India. While Pakistan make them work hard to chase a small target of 138.
India will defiantly have advantage of home ground and they have recently whitewashed NZ in ODI series which will boost there confidence for the ODI WC. Pakistan participation is yet not confirmed in ODI WC as India is not coming to Pakistan for Asia Cup.

[KennyR]

All that said, the vulnerability for England was their bowling, and not any other department. Even Archer bowled poorly in the first match, when he conceded 81 runs from his 10 overs. No one among the England bowlers performed in a consistent manner.

Agreed. England have so many amazing batsmen, but they have very few amazing bowlers these days which is why they are dominating all the formats like before. They need consistent bowlers like Broad, Anderson etc in their squad.

This is why I feel that their chances of winning the upcoming ODI World Cup are lower when compared to teams like Australia, India etc.

The consistency in the play is found with few batsmen and the same is missing completely with the bowlers. Even with Australia and India same is the scenario. During the days of McGrath we can  say he'll break the early wickets and the match easier for them to win. Nowadays that isn't assured by any of the bowlers from Australia. Also ODI is different from T20, so win out of fluke shots won't be possible much.

[Iranus]

All that said, the vulnerability for England was their bowling, and not any other department. Even Archer bowled poorly in the first match, when he conceded 81 runs from his 10 overs. No one among the England bowlers performed in a consistent manner.

Agreed. England have so many amazing batsmen, but they have very few amazing bowlers these days which is why they are dominating all the formats like before. They need consistent bowlers like Broad, Anderson etc in their squad.
This is why I feel that their chances of winning the upcoming ODI World Cup are lower when compared to teams like Australia, India etc.

England cricket won the last T20 World Cup because Pakistan could not give any reliable target. By the Pakistan's low performance England got the victory very easily in that particular match. But that kind of opportunity may not happen again in the ODI world cup as they will not be able to beat India and Australia, the best team of the time. Currently England belongs to the fourth position in the ICC ranking, perhaps that place will be occupied by South Africa or Pakistan. If they fail to prepare their team early, in the next World Cup their condition will be the worst. ‍Since they can do good research about cricket, they will be able to reorganize the team.

The world has become so centered around watching the batsmen of every team smash the ball here and there. The teams have actually forgotten about that, the bowling part is also important. We all know that England boots a lot of importance on the batting lineup. That is a big reason why England was unable to win in the first match. But in the second match, it feels like England has corrected themselves.

And, the performance of Jofra Archer was great in the second match. That's why I think England was able to win the match quite easily in the end. You can also see the moment when England improved in the bowling department, it became so easy for them to win the match. I think England has now figured out what the problem is. They have to perform well in all aspects.

[savetheFORUM]

The world has become so centered around watching the batsmen of every team smash the ball here and there. The teams have actually forgotten about that, the bowling part is also important. We all know that England boots a lot of importance on the batting lineup. That is a big reason why England was unable to win in the first match. But in the second match, it feels like England has corrected themselves.

And, the performance of Jofra Archer was great in the second match. That's why I think England was able to win the match quite easily in the end. You can also see the moment when England improved in the bowling department, it became so easy for them to win the match. I think England has now figured out what the problem is. They have to perform well in all aspects.

We have too many rules in favour of batting which is also currently having big impact on the game but still things are manageable for the teams but recently as we have results in South Africa these are surely amazing specially in all innings we have good power hitting from the both sides and then in last ODI while Jofra Archer is at his best things settled in their favor which is also good and now with his comeback and performance like this we can expect good changes in England and their performance.

But England still needs to work on their domestic set up which is already well-balanced, but injuries are having serious impact on them and their players career in future now teams with better backup and strong domestic setup will survive and have chance to dominate this game, but we surely need big investments for this all as well.

[Crypto Library]

Pakistan participation is yet not confirmed in ODI WC as India is not coming to Pakistan for Asia Cup.

As I am seeing that the Pakistan team in top five on the ranking of ICC men's odi ranking. And since the top seven teams in the rankings are considered as Super Leagues and qualified for the ICC World Cup, so Pakistan is already qualified for playing  ICC World Cup 2023.
Moreover, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has already confirmed that no decision has been taken regarding Pakistan not going to the ODI World Cup 2023 which is going to be held in India. source

[fullhdpixel]

I would say that England is not favorites for the upcoming ODI World Cup. Because we know that England has some explosive batsmen. Every batsman is in very good form. Scoring 300 runs is easy for England batsmen. However, the performance of England's bowlers is very poor. If the bowlers are not good, I do not see the possibility of England's good results in the World Cup.

India and South Africa teams are in very good form now. I think the chances of these two teams winning the title are very high. I want to place the Australian team in third place. Australia's performance is now quite stable. I guess India will be able to win the title.

Here I am not agreed with you about England's chances into next world cup because of their poor bowling because they still have time, and they can do much better than from this performance in bowling with their few main bowlers are having issues which are not getting solve, and they are going on their track specially with the batting which is surely their power, and they can do 300+ in every game which is also amazing stuff but with few things quality will be increased, and they will be also in good shape.

India and South Africa are also good teams, but both can do better at home which is surely good advantage for the India, but we already watch South Africa which is also struggling in subcontinent conditions even we have sometime but still things are going into Indian favour for the title but still in knock out stages any result can happen with any big team.

[romero121]

Pakistan participation is yet not confirmed in ODI WC as India is not coming to Pakistan for Asia Cup.

As I am seeing that the Pakistan team in top five on the ranking of ICC men's odi ranking. And since the top seven teams in the rankings are considered as Super Leagues and qualified for the ICC World Cup, so Pakistan is already qualified for playing  ICC World Cup 2023.
Moreover, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has already confirmed that no decision has been taken regarding Pakistan not going to the ODI World Cup 2023 which is going to be held in India. source

Ramiz Raja have mentioned about Pakistan's decision to play on the World Cup. He had mentioned about the scenario, amidst the economic situation, heavy investment were already into renovation of grounds considering the Asia Cup and now moving it to neutral location is not a good decision. Since 2013 India and Pakistan haven't played any bilateral series. Both the teams meet only during the ICC events.

[ThemePen]

Pakistan participation is yet not confirmed in ODI WC as India is not coming to Pakistan for Asia Cup.

As I am seeing that the Pakistan team in top five on the ranking of ICC men's odi ranking. And since the top seven teams in the rankings are considered as Super Leagues and qualified for the ICC World Cup, so Pakistan is already qualified for playing  ICC World Cup 2023.
Moreover, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has already confirmed that no decision has been taken regarding Pakistan not going to the ODI World Cup 2023 which is going to be held in India. source

There are some reasons first is that. India is not coming for Asia Cup in Pakistan. And the second is the economy crisis in Pakistan. ICC world cup asks too much funds so Pakistan has not much funds.
But still waiting for the announcement from the Pakistan Cricket Boad. Hope they will show the final decision soon.

[Sithara007]

There are some reasons first is that. India is not coming for Asia Cup in Pakistan. And the second is the economy crisis in Pakistan. ICC world cup asks too much funds so Pakistan has not much funds.
But still waiting for the announcement from the Pakistan Cricket Boad. Hope they will show the final decision soon.

At this point, I don't think that PCB is left with too many options. The most practical thing to do would be to move Asia Cup to a neutral venue and get some compensation from ICC or BCCI to cover the losses. Their economy is crashing and they can't afford a financial penalty from the ICC in case they pull out of the ODI world cup. The fight against pig-4 can't be done alone. PCB need to build strong bonds with other smaller full members and associate nations, if they want to take a stand against the discriminatory policies within the ICC.

[Haunebu]

Jofra Archer win the match alone from the bowlers' side. He got six wickets and his economy was 4.40 which is very good in ODI. Chris Woakes and Sam Curran are other talented bowlers as well. Of course they need more time and you have to give them chance as well to prove theirself.

Archer is an amazing bowler for sure, but it remains to be seen if can return to his peak form before the World Cup. Curran is another great bowler, but Woakes hasn't really been performing well in recent times.

ICC world cup asks too much funds so Pakistan has not much funds.
But still waiting for the announcement from the Pakistan Cricket Boad. Hope they will show the final decision soon.

Pakistan didn't qualify for the 2014 World Cup and played like crap in the 2018 World Cup which is why they need to qualify and perform well in the 2023 World Cup if they wish to stay relevant in the ODI format.

The fight against pig-4 can't be done alone. PCB need to build strong bonds with other smaller full members and associate nations, if they want to take a stand against the discriminatory policies within the ICC.

PCB is just as corrupt as the BCCI, ICC etc which is why they need to give in to ICC's policies just like how their government is giving in to IMF's demands.

[darewaller]

Pakistan participation is yet not confirmed in ODI WC as India is not coming to Pakistan for Asia Cup.

As I am seeing that the Pakistan team in top five on the ranking of ICC men's odi ranking. And since the top seven teams in the rankings are considered as Super Leagues and qualified for the ICC World Cup, so Pakistan is already qualified for playing  ICC World Cup 2023.
Moreover, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has already confirmed that no decision has been taken regarding Pakistan not going to the ODI World Cup 2023 which is going to be held in India. source

Right now, as changes happening in Pakistan, things are not clear and no one can predict about this decision that can Pakistan tour India for the world cup, or it's all not clear if we have election in Pakistan and the Imran Khan regime again in power than most chances Pakistan will not tour and things could be worst for the game and Pakistan as well but if we have no domestic changes in coming days then surely we can expect this current management will be allowed team to tour for the World cup as they are also having big funding from the ICC and many other aspects also in their way if they will tour for this big event which is going to happen in October 2023.

Most chances we have postponed Asia Cup or going to play at neutral place because right now India is stick with his policies, and they have no soft corner about their policies against Pakistan, so things could be all gone in their favour with their policies.

[elevates]

At this point, I don't think that PCB is left with too many options. The most practical thing to do would be to move Asia Cup to a neutral venue and get some compensation from ICC or BCCI to cover the losses. Their economy is crashing and they can't afford a financial penalty from the ICC in case they pull out of the ODI world cup. The fight against pig-4 can't be done alone. PCB need to build strong bonds with other smaller full members and associate nations, if they want to take a stand against the discriminatory policies within the ICC.

Okay! Let's assume the Indian team visits Pakistan to play in the Asia cup. Then PCB has to provide presidential plus security as BCCI would ask for it and there would be immense pressure on security agencies. Is it a good idea for Pakistan to invest so much money at a time when they are in an economic crisis? Will PCB be able to generate so much revenue that they would be out of economic crisis? The answer is a big NO. Then why do such petty politics? I sometimes feel PCB is more like a political party in Pakistan that does not have any vision but finds a way to create agenda in order to be in the news.

BCCI would never send Indian players to Pakistan. PCB would ultimately bow down and agree to the demands of Jay Shah. Pakistan would come to India to play in the ODIWC and forget a bilateral series between these two nations for the next 10 years. What I said will happen no matter how many times we discuss it on this thread. Mark my words!