Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[jurij.timofejev]

Keep dreaming Putin troll  !
You wanted to conquer Finland.. Ok you took some teritory from them, but they will never forget it. They will fight till last man for they country not to become a part of Russia.
You occupied Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania ... they are part of NATO now. Do you want to start a new world war?
You occupied other countries too, they don't want russians. They will never forget Stalin and they will never want your new Stalin!

"America’s—the expansion of opportunity for capital and the projection of power—must always remain shrouded."

WEDNESDAY, JUN 3, 2015 10:30 PM GST

We are the propagandists: The real story about how The New York Times and the White House has turned truth in the Ukraine on its head
A sophisticated game of manipulation is afoot over Russia: power, influence and money. U.S. hands are not clean

PATRICK L. SMITH

A couple of weeks ago, this column guardedly suggested that John Kerry’s day-long talks in Sochi with Vladimir Putin and his foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, looked like a break in the clouds on numerous questions, primarily the Ukraine crisis. I saw no evidence that President Obama’s secretary of state had suddenly developed a sensible, post-imperium foreign strategy consonant with a new era. It was force of circumstance. It was the 21st century doing its work.

This work will get done, cleanly and peaceably or otherwise.

Sochi, an unexpected development, suggested the prospect of cleanliness and peace. But events since suggest that otherwise is more likely to prove the case. It is hard to say because it is hard to see, but our policy cliques may be gradually wading into very deep water in Ukraine.

Ever since the 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, reality itself has come to seem up for grabs. Karl Rove, a diabolically competent political infighter but of no discernible intellectual weight, may have been prescient when he told us to forget our pedestrian notions of reality—real live reality. Empires create their own, he said, and we’re an empire now.

The Ukraine crisis reminds us that the pathology is not limited to the peculiar dreamers who made policy during the Bush II administration, whose idea of reality was idealist beyond all logic. It is a late-imperial phenomenon that extends across the board. “Unprecedented” is considered a dangerous word in journalism, but it may describe the Obama administration’s furious efforts to manufacture a Ukraine narrative and our media’s incessant reproduction of all its fallacies.

At this point it is only sensible to turn everything that is said or shown in our media upside down and consider it a second time. Who could want to live in a world this much like Orwell’s or Huxley’s—the one obliterating reality by destroying language, the other by making historical reference a transgression?

Language and history: As argued several times in this space, these are the weapons we are not supposed to have.

Ukraine now gives us two fearsome examples of what I mean by inverted reason.

One, it has been raining reports of Russia’s renewed military presence in eastern Ukraine lately. One puts them down and asks, What does Washington have on the story board now, an escalation of American military involvement? A covert op? Let us watch.

Two, we hear ever-shriller charges that Moscow has mounted a dangerous, security-threatening propaganda campaign to destroy the truth—our truth, we can say. It is nothing short of “the weaponization of information,” we are provocatively warned. Let us be on notice: Our truth and our air are now as polluted with propaganda as during the Cold War decades, and the only apparent plan is to make it worse.

O.K., let us do what sorting can be done. ....much, much more

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/03/we_are_the_propagandists_the_real_story_about_how_the_new_york_times_and_the_white_house_has_turned_truth_in_the_ukraine_on_its_head/

This man nailed it!

Another fragment from that article:

I look at this stuff now and think, Well, there may be activity on Russia’s borders or inside Ukraine, but maybe not. Those two soldiers may be Russian and may be on active duty, but I cannot draw any conclusion.

I do not appreciate having to think this way—not as a reader and not as a former newsman. I do not like reading Times editorials, such as Tuesday’s, which institutionalizes “Putin’s war” and other such tropes, and having to say, Our most powerful newspaper is into the created reality game.

A few things can be made clear in all this. Straight off the top it is almost certain, despite a logical wariness of presented evidence, that Russia has personnel and weapons deployed along its border and in Ukraine.

I greatly hope so, and whether they are on duty or otherwise interests me not at all.

First of all, it is a highly restrained approach to a geopolitical circumstance that Moscow recognizes as dangerous, Washington does not seem to and Kiev emphatically does not. In reversed circumstances, a troubled nation would have long back turned into an open conflict between two nuclear powers. Fig leafs have their place.

Highly recommended to read in full.

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc466/galdur/russia.png

The picture speaks more than a thousand words. And it speaks why Novorossia (including Odessa) are not happy, why Transnitria (Pridnestrovje) wants back and why Crimea returned home.

[jurij.timofejev]

HAPPY RUSSIA DAY!
Russia Day (Russian: Дeнь Poccии, Den' Rossii) is the national holiday of the Russian Federation, celebrated on June 12. It has been celebrated every year since 1992.[1] The First Congress of People's Deputies of the Russian Federation adopted the Declaration of State Sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic on June 12, 1990.

This is very ineresting day, because Putin said, that ''Collapse of Soviet Union is the bigget geopolitical disaster in history'' and Russia is the heir (overtaker) of responsibility and duties of Soviet Union. Even the music of anthem is taken from Soviet Union 

Is Putin really celebrating this day? 

[Souldream]

HAPPY RUSSIA DAY!
Russia Day (Russian: Дeнь Poccии, Den' Rossii) is the national holiday of the Russian Federation, celebrated on June 12. It has been celebrated every year since 1992.[1] The First Congress of People's Deputies of the Russian Federation adopted the Declaration of State Sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic on June 12, 1990.

This is very ineresting day, because Putin said, that ''Collapse of Soviet Union is the bigget geopolitical disaster in history'' and Russia is the heir (overtaker) of responsibility and duties of Soviet Union. Even the music of anthem is taken from Soviet Union 

Is Putin really celebrating this day? 

Yes he will with millions of drunken russians....

[Souldream]

There is no deliberate shelling of civilian population by Ukrainian forces, the only "cleansing" is done against armed terrorists who support russian special forces who invaded Ukraine.

Take your BS somewhere else. You have been shelling the kindergartens and hospitals in the Donbass region for well over a year now. Neutral sources such as OSCE has reported about this, in their status updates. Reminds me of the school bully, who used to pick weak kids in the class, as the stronger kids would fight him back.

Show us link ... always to blablate .... Each time i read OSCE ... it is cleary written that Russian separatist Block OSCE to verify ... strange no ?

More lie ... again and again ... at least we know where are Russian trolls inside this forum ! 

Ho and sorry if it take 2 days to reply to u ... i am not hired in a troll company to spread my stupid propaganda 

[Nemo1024]

Representatives of DNR and LNR detailed that they consider Crimea to be part of Russia and would also want for their republics to join the Federation.
Meanwhile, Zaharchenko is quoted as saying that if Kiev continues to shirk the dialogue with Donbass, then the Republic will have no alternative than to take Mariupol.
http://svpressa.ru/politic/article/124779/

South-East is burning. Donetsk is again under constant barrages of artillery fire. With the damaged gas pipeline, the reserves in Mariupol can be stretched to 4-7 hours, provided the two factories there (AzovSteel) are shut down.
http://www.kp.ru/online/news/2081159/

And the NATO-trolls have been re-activated here. Something's afoot...

[bryant.coleman]

Representatives of DNR and LNR detailed that they consider Crimea to be part of Russia and would also want for their republics to join the Federation.
Meanwhile, Zaharchenko is quoted as saying that if Kiev continues to shirk the dialogue with Donbass, then the Republic will have no alternative than to take Mariupol.

The battle for Mariupol will be extremely costly, in terms of human lives and infrastructure. I don't think that the junta soldiers and the neo-nazis will give up Mariupol without a fight. Most of the Ukrainian steel exports currently pass through Mariupol. Without access to that city, the Forex reserves of Ukraine will vanish in a matter of days.

[Okurkabinladin]

Representatives of DNR and LNR detailed that they consider Crimea to be part of Russia and would also want for their republics to join the Federation.
Meanwhile, Zaharchenko is quoted as saying that if Kiev continues to shirk the dialogue with Donbass, then the Republic will have no alternative than to take Mariupol.
http://svpressa.ru/politic/article/124779/

South-East is burning. Donetsk is again under constant barrages of artillery fire. With the damaged gas pipeline, the reserves in Mariupol can be stretched to 4-7 hours, provided the two factories there (AzovSteel) are shut down.
http://www.kp.ru/online/news/2081159/

And the NATO-trolls have been re-activated here. Something's afoot...

You cant always judge situation on the ground from the ground  just few days ago, US Congress officially distanced itself from what it called as "rampant neonazism" of Ukrainian volunteers, even forbiding US military from providing further help to them. Jats also failed to get more help during his visit to States, meeting only one of Kerry´s attaches and having short plead in front of Congressmen. IMF is also recluctant to offer more black checks to Ukraine and new polish president (catholic conservative) refused to meet with Poroshenko.

Current gunfire could aswell be signal of ever large desperation of Junta.

[Balthazar]

Meanwhile, DPR and LPR representatives have withdrawn their amendment proposals for Ukrainian constitution and declared recognition of independence as their priority.

[Nemo1024]

Meanwhile, DPR and LPR representatives have withdrawn their amendment proposals for Ukrainian constitution and declared recognition of independence as their priority.

They tried, but it was clear that this attempt at peace would be thwarted by Kiev, judging from the previous militant actions.

Right Sector broke into and rampaged the HQ of the Communist Party in Odessa:
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/06/13/n_7284201.shtml

The fire at the oil storage near Kiev is basing again:
http://ria.ru/world/20150613/1069787657.html


During yesterdays Day of Russia concert on the Beautiful Square, there was a declamation of a fragment from "The Song of Igor's Campaign"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_Igor%27s_Campaign

And the geographical references in the following passage make one think...

http://lib.ru/NABOKOW/slovo.txt

Code:

                 Eight-minded Yaroslav of Galich!
                 You sit high on your gold-forged
                 throne;
530              you have braced the Hungarian
                 mountains
                 with your iron troops;
                 you have barred the [Hungarian]
                 king's
535              path;
                 you have closed the Danube's
                 gates,
                 hurling weighty missiles over
                 the clouds,
540              spreading your courts to the
                 Danube.
                 Your thunders range
                 over lands;
                 you open Kiev's gates;
                 from the paternal golden throne
                 you shoot at sultans
545              beyond the lands.
                 Shoot [your arrows], lord,
                 at Konchak, the pagan slave,
                 to avenge the Russian land,
                 and the wounds of Igor,
550              turbulent son of Svyatoslav!

                 And you, turbulent Roman, and
                 Mstislav!
                 A brave thought
555              carries your minds to deeds.
                 On high you soar to deeds
                 in your turbulence,
                 like the falcon
                 that rides the winds
                 as he strives in turbulence
560              to overcome the bird.
                 For you have iron breastplates
                 under Latin helmets;
                 these have made the earth
                 rumble,
                 and many nations-
565              Hins, Lithuanians, Yatvangians,
                 Dermners, and Kumans-
                 have dropped their spears
                 and bowed their heads
                 beneath those steel swords.

570              But already, [O] Prince Igor,
                 the sunlight has dimmed,
                 and, not goodly, the tree sheds
                 its
                 foliage.
575              Along the Ros and the Sula
                 the towns have been distributed;
                 and Igor's brave troops
                 cannot be brought back to life!
                 The Don, Prince, calls you,
580              and summons the princes to
                 victory.

[Nemo1024]

Some more news from the madhouse.

Kiev has passed a new law, making reporting from Donbass a crime punishable by several years in prison. They are getting ever-more desperate to cover up and hide their crimes.

[galdur]

Spotted on the torrents

Napoleon The Russian Campaign Part 1-2 of 2 The Moscova, The Berezina

From the creators of In the name of Athens, The destiny of Roma and Trafalgar, a new docu drama staging one of the most memorable and mythical military campaigns and defeats of recent history, the invasion of Russia by the Emperor Napoleon.

1812: Napoleon gathers an army of 600 000 men from 24 different Nations, the largest army ever united. Against the advice of his closest councilors, he marches towards Moscow with the firm intention to conquer Russia. 172 days later, Napoleon retreats, leaving behind him 400 000 of his men dead or prisoners.

Why did Napoleon decide to conquer Russia? How could the greatest leader of the time make so many strategic mistakes? How was the man perceived from within his troupes and by the other side, the Russians, and by the other sovereigns of Europe?

http://www.zed.fr/tv/distribution/videos/151/napoleon-the-russian-campaign/

[deisik]

Why did Napoleon decide to conquer Russia? How could the greatest leader of the time make so many strategic mistakes? How was the man perceived from within his troupes and by the other side, the Russians, and by the other sovereigns of Europe?

It seems to be his personal whimsies and insults. As a young officer, Napoleon at first wanted to join Russian army, but he later abandoned this plan since he would lose one military rank (such were the requirements for foreign officers back then in Russia). Already an emperor of France, he wanted to marry one of the sisters of Alexander I, the Russian tsar, but he was brushed off twice (in 1808 and 1810). He was hated...

So you get the idea

[MysteryMiner]

Cлyшaйты гaндoни из пpoпoгaндийcкoй кaнтopи тpoллeй. Ecли вoинa нeзaкoнчитcя пoлнoй пoбeдoй Укpaйни, вac ждют дoлгaя пapтизaнcкaя вoинa. He нa тex нapвaлиc, тeпep вac кoлopaдcкиx пидapoв бyдyт мoчит дaжe caми pyccкиe. Mнoгиe из кoтopиx нecoбиpaютca здaтca никoгдa!

[bryant.coleman]

Kiev has passed a new law, making reporting from Donbass a crime punishable by several years in prison. They are getting ever-more desperate to cover up and hide their crimes.

Who cares? All the non-propaganda channels in Ukraine are banned anyway. If the Ukrainians (those who are under the junta rule), want to watch news on TV, then they should rely on the junta sponsored propaganda channels. And regarding Russian news channels covering the news from Donbass, I doubt whether the junta is having large enough balls to arrest the reporters.

[galdur]

Why did Napoleon decide to conquer Russia? How could the greatest leader of the time make so many strategic mistakes? How was the man perceived from within his troupes and by the other side, the Russians, and by the other sovereigns of Europe?

It seems to be his personal whimsies and insults. As a young officer, Napoleon at first wanted to join Russian army, but he later abandoned this plan since he would lose one military rank (such were the requirements for foreign officers back then in Russia). Already an emperor of France, he wanted to marry one of the sisters of Alexander I, the Russian tsar, but he was brushed off twice (in 1808 and 1810). He was hated...

So you get the idea

Yes deisik, hate (and love for that matter) tends to cloud the judgment. And those who are very emotionally attached to their own plans usually talk about them a lot before they´re executed. Not so the Russians, you never seem to know what they´re up to. Less talk more action behind the curtain.

Bérézina, a French synonym for disaster.

Battle of the Berezina

Napoleon´s great but very costly escape.

November 26, 1812 - November 28, 1812

http://www.arcdetriomphe.info/battles/berezina/

[rayhan]

Considering the napolean theory, it does seem reasonable approach.

[galdur]

So, I wonder how the Volkssturm is going. Any offensive in the works? I guess it takes tons of time time to make forces barely usable for digging defensive ditches and populating them capable of offensive operations. U.S.  trainers have been teaching those nazi wankers in the national guard how to operate AK-47´s and RPG´s since April, imagine that. Maybe there´ll be some fresh cauldron news in the summer or they´ll just continue shelling from afar. But for how long can that continue. At some point even total mob tools like the United Nations must be forced to take measures against prolonged shelling of civilians and other collective punishments by those Kiev fascists.

[galdur]

Minor stuff, but could be the the beginning of something much bigger...

Pentagon 'poised to send heavy weapons, troops to Eastern Europe'

The "New York Times" has reported that the Pentagon is "poised" to station heavy weapons for up to 5,000 US troops in several Eastern European countries. The move would escalate tension with Russia. ...

http://www.dw.de/pentagon-poised-to-send-heavy-weapons-troops-to-eastern-europe/a-18516115

[bryant.coleman]

The "New York Times" has reported that the Pentagon is "poised" to station heavy weapons for up to 5,000 US troops in several Eastern European countries. The move would escalate tension with Russia. ...

Eastern European countries means the quartet of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia. These are the most rabid Russophobe nations in the European continent. No other self-respecting and sovereign nation would allow all these foreign troops to their territory. Well... if the presence of the American troops would prevent the Poles from shitting on their pants, then so be it.

[galdur]

The "New York Times" has reported that the Pentagon is "poised" to station heavy weapons for up to 5,000 US troops in several Eastern European countries. The move would escalate tension with Russia. ...

Eastern European countries means the quartet of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia. These are the most rabid Russophobe nations in the European continent. No other self-respecting and sovereign nation would allow all these foreign troops to their territory. Well... if the presence of the American troops would prevent the Poles from shitting on their pants, then so be it.

Yep. "proposal" "poised". Seems pretty vague so far.

the proposal envisaged that "a company's worth of equipment - enough for about 150 soldiers - would be stored in each of the three Baltic nations: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Enough for a company or possibly a battalion - about 750 soldiers - would be located in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and possibly Hungary."

Just saying boo isn´t going to scare a bear. Got to make lots of noise especially before you even see it.