[ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs

[Mabsark]

You are going nowhere with this and you know it. Pushing things like this is simply useless and actually is showing your true character.

Like what, consumer rights?

I took no money for the products, only reservation fees so I'm not legally obligated to deal with any refund request.

If that's the case, then yeah it's not your responsibility, it's Spondoolies.

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[RoadStress]

It is interesting to see if hosting price (in WA data center) is affected for RoadStress August group-buy.
I'm asking because previous price quote for the group buy hosting cover only 2.5kW and/or 2.7kW ... now we are talking about 3K. It is not a big jump in power but it would be good to know the updated price quote.

(I'll not send them an email with this question because I'm sure they are already bombarded with email from everyone)

Will cover that too in my GB questions and will post an update there.

You are going nowhere with this and you know it. Pushing things like this is simply useless and actually is showing your true character.

Like what, consumer rights?

I took no money for the products, only reservation fees so I'm not legally obligated to deal with any refund request.

If that's the case, then yeah it's not your responsibility, it's Spondoolies.

I say that you stop with whatever you are trying to do. It's obvious that you are trying to bash me or SP-Tech with whatever you can. The fact that you don't even know how things went with my GB shows exactly this. At least with jimmothy I could reason, but you are giving me nothing and you are owning yourself.

[Marvell1]

My plan was to run these at home as well I was planning on installing a 240v circuit next week to host these and I was going to undevolt down to around 2kw

now we are looking at 4.5 TH at 3KW we are looking at frankeneptune numbers that's a ridiculous amount of heat to have to account for.

The only way I accept this deal is if I get another sp30 for a low price in October for a VERY VERY low price and this is guaranteed and I will host them both in a DC.

The power miss ins a big deal heck I would probably have been happy with 4.5 TH at 2.5KW and a discounted price but now I don't know I might go the full refund route now as  I don't feel this compensation is equitable enough. Either make us whole or give a full refund but either way we got fucked becase I missed out on the s3 batch 1 by investing in these.



http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/bitcoin-mining-calculator/?h=5400.00&p=2500.00&pc=0.10&pf=2.00&d=18736441558.31020000&r=25.00000000&er=586.70000000&hc=4500.00


http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/bitcoin-mining-calculator/?h=4500.00&p=3000.00&pc=0.10&pf=2.00&d=18736441558.31020000&r=25.00000000&er=586.70000000&hc=4500.00


as you can see from the difference this new miner spec would avagere close to $600 less per month (that's a whole BTC) than the orginal spec we were expecting, and we are not even talking about 6TH here which was higly bandied about.
The way I see it is SP tech owes us the price of an additional Sp10 , and if we have to wait till October for compensation who the F knows what the difficulty will be by then ?  which means we should be getting October batch miners for damn near free IMO

[Mabsark]

You are going nowhere with this and you know it. Pushing things like this is simply useless and actually is showing your true character.

Like what, consumer rights?

I took no money for the products, only reservation fees so I'm not legally obligated to deal with any refund request.

If that's the case, then yeah it's not your responsibility, it's Spondoolies.

I say that you stop with whatever you are trying to do. It's obvious that you are trying to bash me or SP-Tech with whatever you can. The fact that you don't even know how things went with my GB shows exactly this. At least with jimmothy I could reason, but you are giving me nothing and you are owning yourself.

What are you talking about?

As can clearly be seen in the text you quoted, I'm not bashing anyone. I did call you out for lying earlier on though and then you started bashing me by calling me an AM shill for saying that people are legally entitled to refunds. I then pointed out that I never said anything to promote AM here but you had been shilling in the AM thread. I also pointed out that refusing to give people refunds would damage your reputation and people would equate you with scammers.

It's like you're not even aware of what you say, so yes, I will stop now.

[philipma1957]

so 4500gh at 3000 watts

okay that is .666 watts a hash .

my s-3's do 430 gh at 328 watts that is  .763 watts a hash.


lets see some paid 4500 usd some paid 5000 usd.

for 4570 usd I  get   7.8  btc that is 12 s-3's .

I need  4 psu's  to run 12  s-3's

4 evga's 1300 = 680

so I need 5250 usd for 12 x 440 gh = 5280 gh and 3936 watts - s-3's

5000 usd for 1x 4.5th and  and 3000 watts = s-3

while it is sad that the sp30 is short. it is close to equal to buying s-3.s .  

maybe just a bit better if you paid 4500 and get the sp30 before the 2nd of aug.

[jtoomim]

4.5 TH/s running at today's difficulty and btc price would produce about $2078 per month.

3 kW in my DC will cost $210 to $270/month, depending on payment terms, and there are other companies who are offering rates that are nearly as good.

You can still make a decent profit, even at 3 kW and 4.5 TH/s. Chill out. As far as I know, the July/August/September SP30 will still be both the most efficient and powerful miner available when it ships.

Engineering is hard. Things go wrong, and (frustratingly) it's not even always your fault. I'd like to say to Guy and the rest of the Spondoolies crew that I think you've handled this issue in a professional manner so far, and I am grateful for that. I recognize that compensation for the lost hashrate is one thing (which SP-Tech is offering), and compensation for the lost efficiency is another (which SP-Tech is not offering). I think that compensation for the lost hashrate is meeting us customers more than halfway, and I am content with that as a compromise. The machines underperform, and someone has to eat the difference. Apparently it's not going to be TSMC, and Spondoolies has volunteered to eat most of the difference. I'm willing to finish my plate.

[hardhouseinc]

@BitcoinPappi & ALL GB members I am sure that SP-Tech is flooded with e-mails right now. Please state your requests here or PM me and I will discuss the issue with SP-Tech for an easier organization. If I don't manage to get a "good" answer for you then you can negociate directly with them. I find it easier for me to send an e-mail with 4-5 questions than for them to receive 5 separate e-mails. Also I'm open to any suggestion that you might have.

hardhouseinc. Has agreed to give me his spot in for early August deliver. I would like for you to confirm the following with SP Tech:

1.Can they allow an order to be transferred
2.Once the order is transferred will I get the same compensation that all the other group buy members will be rewarded
3.What are the complete compensation terms
3.Lets make this happen so hardhouseinc can be happy
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@BitcoinPappi -

Let me know what you find out by PM from either RoadStress or SP-Tech.  
Im done following or posting in this thread.  When you get word let me know and Ill
send you the order number to work with them to transfer to you.


This is the last and final time I get burned by an ASIC manufacturer falling short ever again.
The guarantee I got from RoadStress was also as good as every other promise I got ever related to
BTC and its always the small buyer who gets the short end of the deal in the long run every time.

****
I think Guy and SP-Tech is a standup business, their SP10 was GREAT, but when promises are made and you hide
behind the no refund policy because we took your BTC and you cant make us pay it back, is a policy that
NEEDS TO END TODAY!!!
****

No other type of company IN THE WORLD can get away with sales like that.  Why, because 99% of them
work with CC sales and they know that if they screw you, you can go back to the CC company and force
a refund by issuing a charge cancellation or charge back.

The ASIC manufacturers are STILL hiding behind the BTC payment only, no refund policy because they
know there is a GOOD chance they will fall short and people will ask for refunds.
It works out better for them to calculate a partial refund / interest free loan / that works for them and
not you.

This is the last time I ever order any ASIC gear EVER.  Its just the last staw for me.
Thanks for the ride, it was fun while it lasted.

[edgar]

@BitcoinPappi -

Let me know what you find out by PM from either RoadStress or SP-Tech.  
Im done following or posting in this thread.  When you get word let me know and Ill
send you the order number to work with them to transfer to you.


This is the last and final time I get burned by an ASIC manufacturer falling short ever again.
The guarantee I got from RoadStress was also as good as every other promise I got ever related to
BTC and its always the small buyer who gets the short end of the deal in the long run every time.

****
I think Guy and SP-Tech is a standup business, their SP10 was GREAT, but when promises are made and you hide
behind the no refund policy because we took your BTC and you cant make us pay it back, is a policy that
NEEDS TO END TODAY!!!
****

No other type of company IN THE WORLD can get away with sales like that.  Why, because 99% of them
work with CC sales and they know that if they screw you, you can go back to the CC company and force
a refund by issuing a charge cancellation or charge back.

The ASIC manufacturers are STILL hiding behind the BTC payment only, no refund policy because they
know there is a GOOD chance they will fall short and people will ask for refunds.
It works out better for them to calculate a partial refund / interest free loan / that works for them and
not you.

This is the last time I ever order any ASIC gear EVER.  Its just the last staw for me.
Thanks for the ride, it was fun while it lasted.

Its a shame that it ends this way.

The attitude of 'some' of these self appointed 'front/middlemen' makes it infuriating when things go wrong.

All the pressure sale tactics, broken promises and veiled threats only wind us up more. Not to mention the disgusting shilling elsewhere!

If anything i think roadstress should be focusing on what he can do for the community , NOT what he can squeeze out of us while remaining 'guilt free'

'its not 'my' fault you're all fucked'


Many thanks to the SPTech team otherwise, still intrigued to see what these 4.5TH/s rigs ACTUALLY deliver once plugged into our sockets..(+/-5%)

4.4?

4.1?

3.9?

& 3000w ffs!      EACH!!

[Epoch]

The electrical code in North America limits a continuous load on a 15A/120V circuit to 80%, or 12A. That's 1440W. Using 2 of these circuits gives you 2880W.

Can the SP30 be configured to run within this limitation? And, if so, how? And what will the resulting hashrate be? The original spec was 2400W; now it is 3kW ... very relevant to those with 15A/120V circuits.

Our recommendation for the 110V users is to host. There are very good options available: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622998.0

If hosting were free, it would be a reasonable option. But it isn't free. And it isn't the product that was originally ordered. I have access to plenty of 110V power, but not 220V. 220V was never a requirement for the SP30 until today.

Since it is no longer feasible to run this product in a 110V environment, do you not think it reasonable that Spondoolies offer a full refund option for those affected by this new limitation?

[RoadStress]

Anyways I believe you have some homeless people to feed?

Will donate 0.1 BTC to Sean's for out bet in a couple of hours don't worry.

https://blockchain.info/tx/58797741e5accf03e99e180056606c1f2a72fed337b7df45c2ad23192c14878d

[wanna4fun]

1 TH/s less, worst efficienty than expected... well, at the price i paid it, i'll have free hosting for MONTHS !

[Powell]

I know it's BS that Roadstress just was trying to pass along a good deal.  You don't troll every single thread convincing people to buy the product from his GB, etc...  I think he should cover some of the refunds for his group purchase.  I think it's bullshit after he trashed every ASIC manufacture that they would be LEAPS and BOUNDS above them (and how their product sucked).  Didn't Cointerra do this too?  At least SP had a good opening product that wasn't pre-order driven.  Obviously there was funding before but looks as if the SP30 was crowd funded on hopes and dreams.

[grn]

Dude, nobody should run datacenter grade miners on 120V circuits.

Most countries in the world don´t have such an exotic voltage anyway so please, stop whining about it.

Use some proper wiring and have your electrician run 220V/240V circuits for your miners.


These miners aren´t originally designed for home use so please, act with common sense.

I am also quite sure you don´t want to have 3kW of heat in your home during the summer.

But this guy said...

Please trim your quotations.

The person who said that ("hosted in an industrial environment... not home miners") was grn, not spondoolies-tech. I suggest you not take it too seriously. Running one or maybe two at home is reasonable and feasible. The design is optimized for datacenters, but that's not the only place you can run them.

As for consulting an electrician, that's advice for if you need to add circuits or outlets for the miner to run on. If your existing electrical infrastructure is sufficient (e.g. at least one 20A 220V circuit available, or two 15A 110V circuits), an electrician is not necessary.

[kkurtmann]

so 4500gh at 3000 watts

okay that is .666 watts a hash .

made in Israel. .666 watts a hash. coincidence?

[jtoomim]

If hosting were free, it would be a reasonable option. But it isn't free. And it isn't the product that was originally ordered. I have access to plenty of 110V power, but not 220V. 220V was never a requirement for the SP30 until today.

Since it is no longer feasible to run this product in a 110V environment, do you not think it reasonable that Spondoolies offer a full refund option for those affected by this new limitation?

200+V is still not a requirement, just a hearty recommendation. It is also not a new recommendation.

It will be possible to underclock the SP30s to fit on 15 amp circuits, but you'll lose hashrate. You'll be able to start up the miners while they're running at 1.5 kW per PSU (about 13.6 amps), log in to the web interface, reconfigure it for "quiet mode" or "high efficiency mode" or whatever Zvi Shteingart decides to call it, and commit the changes before your circuit breakers overheat and trip. Remember that the 80% derating is for continuous loads, which are defined as loads that persist at full power for 3 hours or longer. Using about 91% for about 5 minutes should be fine.

You can run the SP30s at nearly full hashrate on two 20 amp 110V circuits, although you'll still be limited by the same PSU heat generation limit as affects the SP10.  

My datacenter (and many others) has all-in rates that are lower than residential rates in much of the USA, and most of the rest of the world too. Even if you have plenty of 110V power and could use it with an SP30 with no performance penalty, you might be better off hosting in an efficient low-cost DC anyway.

Note: I do not have any special source for information at Spondoolies for these statements. I just read everything they post, and, since I'm an electrical engineer, I understand it better than most and can connect the dots (and extrapolate from them when necessary).

[whonesta]

I can fit 48 S3s into a cabinet easy, just go 2 deep and cut the green wire. It does take a bit of power though to run that dense.

I thought it was the blue wire?

It IS the BLUE wire that needs to be cut to allow fans to run full speed.

[raskul]

today is a good day  

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/news/14979953-introducing-the-sp30

[dplusf]

does anybody know if the groupdeal hosting option in washington is still available?

[itamidensha]

Still better than an over 300% miss for AM gen3 chips.

You really just erode your own credibility by posting transparent rubbish like this. Why would you deliberately compare chip level and device level power consumption, especially when AM isn't even producing mining devices?

I don't understand why you have so much hate for AM. You and Guy seem to like to sink the boot in and goad jimmothy about the lack of dividends at every opportunity. I don't get it, it just makes you guys look childish and/or threatened. What will you start saying if they DO pay divs?

Anyway, this issue isn't as big a clusterfuck as some might have been expecting. These things happen so often, and to their credit, SP-tech are communicating well and honestly - but this is exactly why I'd rather take my money to Vegas and play roulette than tie up my cash in pre-orders.

[paradigmflux]

I'm surprised there are many data centre's offering to host these.  If they wound up running a total of 60 SP30's in their facility they would require just over 200,000 btus of cooling? That's 50 tons!
That's crazy!!