Harris Vs Trump - Bitcoin betting on the 2024 US Presidential Election

[kro55]

Kamala Harris has 3.5 years to help her country growing more but what she did is contributions for destroying it, from border, immigration, national security, public health, economic and job market. If USA people want change, they will want someone else but surely they don't want Kamala Harris.

About positive poll results for Kamala Harris, they can be fake results.

The Vice President nominee JD Vance debunked it in an interview.
Watch this and let me know your opinion, no matter you agree with Vance or disagree with him.

I have the same feeling about the opinion polls. But the difference is that Democrats will use these polls for another purpose. There is going to be industrial scale vote rigging this time, especially with the absentee and mail-in ballots. In the end, voting patterns are going to be crazy. There are going to be instances such as 100% of absentee or mail in ballots in favor of Harris in some of the precincts. Precincts which had 100 or 200 mail-in ballots during the 2020 election will return 10x or 20x of that number this time. In real life scenario, such instances never happen, but the Dems will justify the rigged results with these fake opinion polls.

Don't trust polls because they are just tools to manipulate the crowd psychology of both parties, not of any party in particular. Also, don't blame any fraud if Trump or Harris loses because that's the nature of politics. To me, a loss is a loss and a win is a win, because there is no guarantee that the Republicans are not cheating. Both sides will cheat and use all kinds of tricks throughout the campaign and during the official election period, but the side with the more sophisticated tricks will win.

I support Trump but I will not defend him if the Republicans do not find a way to deal with his opponent's tricks.

[TwitchySeal]

I have the same feeling about the opinion polls. But the difference is that Democrats will use these polls for another purpose.

Polls, surveys are very hard to conduct for getting good representative results for the whole population of a country. With bad methodology, results can be biased but if surveys, polls are conducted intentionally to distort results, we know results mean nothing, like Vance explained.

There is going to be industrial scale vote rigging this time, especially with the absentee and mail-in ballots. In the end, voting patterns are going to be crazy. There are going to be instances such as 100% of absentee or mail in ballots in favor of Harris in some of the precincts. Precincts which had 100 or 200 mail-in ballots during the 2020 election will return 10x or 20x of that number this time. In real life scenario, such instances never happen, but the Dems will justify the rigged results with these fake opinion polls.

I believe that with what's going on, the Democrat Party will have less opportunities to rig this election. There are more attempts from Republic Party and USA citizens to report frauds in this election. These efforts won't eliminate all fraudulent attempts from Democrat Party but will reduce it severity. If things go well, I believe the Republic Party will win big in this election, when citizens already feel enough with Democrat Party and they want changes.

Not from the standpoint of bitcoin and crypto users/holders. I don't believe that Trump is genuinely interested in bitcoin or crypto aside from the fact that it can make him and his family some money. But I do believe that he wouldn't try to pass laws that would be contrary to the interests of the wider crypto and mining community.

He is a billionaire and knows well on how to make money. I don't believe in all he said but assume his family members actually have interest in Bitcoin and cryptocurrency market, they actually invested money in it. So Trump will not pass laws that affects chance of his family members to get richer.

The anger about the polls comes from the fact that you wish they said something else.  That's the seed from which this silly rigged polls conspiracy comes from, fertilized by Trumps very delicate ego and a whole lot of bull shit.

And all those claims you heard in the "not fake news media" about democrats cheating in the 2020 election...they aren't true.  When Trump loses, he says won.  Haven't you figured that out yet?  Pretty much everything that could be disproven has been disproven.  The proof he promised never came.  He lied about the election workers in Georgia.  He lied about the dead people voting.  After a 100% partisan recount in Arizona they concluded Biden was shorted a couple dozen votes.  Of the 60 lawsuits Trump brought, 59 of them were dropped, dismissed, or ruled against him....and I think it was like 30%  of the cases had a judge that Trump appointed.  Trump lost the 2020 election.  The only fraud at  a scale even close to big enough to potentially swing the election was committed by Trump.  Ask yourself what you would think if democrats tried to pull a stunt like he did.  You'd be calling for the death penalty. 

[passwordnow]

I agree, no matter who becomes the president of the United States and will win this election, Bitcoin will continue to work on itself and will be adapted worldwide. While there can be some instances that a leader will definitely move the markets based on its decisions and policies towards Bitcoin but then, it's only limited to its jurisdiction and will continue to be traded, bought, sold and held on places where it is legal and don't have policies that are stopping people from having it. It seems that both of the candidates do have their own stance about Bitcoin but I'm looking forward that they're welcoming about it, afaik, Trump is and Harris don't have that much negative words about it as well.

I agree with that bold part. Bitcoin will continue to work on itself and more people will comes to Bitcoin especially if they see the increasing of Bitcoin price.
They will not thinks too long to join with other people because they don't want to miss the chance to make money from Bitcoin. But maybe the new president of the United States can gives a fresh air for Bitcoin and crypto so he/she will support the existence of crypto especially Bitcoin.
The election seems can moves the price to go somewhere but we better to prepare for anything that can happen.

We will see that once the election is done. There are priorities that they have to attend first before Bitcoin. But with some other news, Trump is aware of Bitcoin. And with the news[1] that I've seen, he even bought fans burgers with the use of Bitcoin as payment at Bitcoin bar.

[1] Trump Buys Burgers With Bitcoin at NYC Crypto Hangout PubKey

[tbct_mt2]

And all those claims you heard in the "not fake news media" about democrats cheating in the 2020 election...they aren't true.  When Trump loses, he says won.  Haven't you figured that out yet?  Pretty much everything that could be disproven has been disproven.  The proof he promised never came.  He lied about the election workers in Georgia.  He lied about the dead people voting.

I don't know what happened in 2020 election but see what's happening in 2024 election.

Oklahoma officials just announced that they have removed 450,000 ineligible names from the voter rolls, including 100,000 dead people and 15,000 duplicate registrations that somehow got pushed into the system
Oklahoma heightens civic engagement worries with removal of over 453,000 from voter rolls
Yahoo news
I can not find an official link from Oklahoma state government. Someone who lives in the USA can find that link and share. If this is true, not fake news, concern about fraud in election is true and if it is true in 2024 election, there is valid reason for concern in 2020 election.

It seems I got it, and 453,000 removed voters are since 2021, not only in 2024.
Governor Stitt, State Election Officials Provide Update on Election Integrity Efforts, Remove Ineligible Voters from Rolls

As part of Oklahoma's routine voter list maintenance as required by law, officials announced over 453,000 voter registrations have been removed, including ineligible voters such as convicted felons and deceased voters, since 2021.

Oklahoma ensures only eligible voters participate in elections in part by following voter list maintenance procedures provided in state law. Since January 1, 2021, Oklahoma election officials have removed 97,065 deceased voters, 143,682 voters who moved out-of-state, 5,607 felons, 14,993 duplicate registrations, and 194,962 inactive voters who were canceled during the address verification process.

I don't know how many voters they removed before the 2020 election.
In Latest Purge, Nearly 90,000 Inactive Voters Removed From Rolls. It's in April 2019, not sure how many total cases removed in 2020 Election in Oklahoma.

Before that last purge in April 2019, there is a report
Oklahoma Prepares to Purge Thousands of Inactive Voters that says 291,233 names were deleted since 2017. So 291,233 pluses 90,000 in the April 2019 purge, sums up to 381,233 removed voters. If no more removed voters since April 2019 to 2020 election, difference between 2024 and 2020 elections is about 70,000 cases.

[traderethereum]

We will see that once the election is done. There are priorities that they have to attend first before Bitcoin. But with some other news, Trump is aware of Bitcoin. And with the news[1] that I've seen, he even bought fans burgers with the use of Bitcoin as payment at Bitcoin bar.

[1] Trump Buys Burgers With Bitcoin at NYC Crypto Hangout PubKey

He finally show that he use Bitcoin to buy that to gets more attention from his fan. He show that he can be more friendly with Bitcoin but we don't know what is his agenda IF he elected as the new president.
We also not sure if he can still supports Bitcoin if he really be the new president. But no matters if he support Bitcoin or not, Bitcoin will still gains more popularity from other famous people from other places because Bitcoin is not related to one person power.
Yes, we will see what will happen later and who is the new president. Hopefully, people knows who they need to choose from those candidates so they are not make a wrong selection.

[EarnOnVictor]

I agree, no matter who becomes the president of the United States and will win this election, Bitcoin will continue to work on itself and will be adapted worldwide. While there can be some instances that a leader will definitely move the markets based on its decisions and policies towards Bitcoin but then, it's only limited to its jurisdiction and will continue to be traded, bought, sold and held on places where it is legal and don't have policies that are stopping people from having it. It seems that both of the candidates do have their own stance about Bitcoin but I'm looking forward that they're welcoming about it, afaik, Trump is and Harris don't have that much negative words about it as well.

I agree with that bold part. Bitcoin will continue to work on itself and more people will comes to Bitcoin especially if they see the increasing of Bitcoin price.
They will not thinks too long to join with other people because they don't want to miss the chance to make money from Bitcoin. But maybe the new president of the United States can gives a fresh air for Bitcoin and crypto so he/she will support the existence of crypto especially Bitcoin.
The election seems can moves the price to go somewhere but we better to prepare for anything that can happen.

We will see that once the election is done. There are priorities that they have to attend first before Bitcoin. But with some other news, Trump is aware of Bitcoin.

I share your view, Bitcoin is often part of the agenda of the US government as it's now in the mainstream of the financial system but it will be a normal relation and not the priority that people believe it will garner through Trump.

And with the news[1] that I've seen, he even bought fans burgers with the use of Bitcoin as payment at Bitcoin bar.
[1] Trump Buys Burgers With Bitcoin at NYC Crypto Hangout PubKey

Hahaha...oh noooo, Trump will not kill me with laughter here I wonder why people are so easily brainwashed like this. When his mates are buying estates with Bitcoin, establishing businesses with/in it and even HODLing a huge amount of it, what Trump the supposed Messiah of Bitcoin/cryptocurrency could do is buy burgers with it. That's crazy!

[Pmalek]

I'm not using Alexa, so can't confirm if it's true or not, but I'm sure someone here could test it and confirm.

If it is true, then I am sure that the recommendations seen in the video are geo-specific. It will probably only appear if you are based in the United States. I doubt you will get the same responses in Europe or Asia because those aren't the people who will be voting. But I would be interested to hear from a US Bitcointalk user who has Alexa if they can replicate what was shown in the video.

[madnessteat]

We will see that once the election is done. There are priorities that they have to attend first before Bitcoin. But with some other news, Trump is aware of Bitcoin. And with the news[1] that I've seen, he even bought fans burgers with the use of Bitcoin as payment at Bitcoin bar.

[1] Trump Buys Burgers With Bitcoin at NYC Crypto Hangout PubKey

He finally show that he use Bitcoin to buy that to gets more attention from his fan. He show that he can be more friendly with Bitcoin but we don't know what is his agenda IF he elected as the new president.
We also not sure if he can still supports Bitcoin if he really be the new president. But no matters if he support Bitcoin or not, Bitcoin will still gains more popularity from other famous people from other places because Bitcoin is not related to one person power.
Yes, we will see what will happen later and who is the new president. Hopefully, people knows who they need to choose from those candidates so they are not make a wrong selection.

As we know, during the election race, politicians use all possible means to achieve their goals of attracting voters. Therefore, we cannot know for sure how the future US president will treat cryptocurrencies after the inauguration, whoever is elected to the post. I certainly have more sympathy for Trump as he, unlike Harris, has been involved with the crypto industry even before this election. The fact that he paid for his burgers in bitcoins is like a cheap trick, but it's better than keeping quiet about cryptocurrencies.

[Onyeeze]

He finally show that he use Bitcoin to buy that to gets more attention from his fan. He show that he can be more friendly with Bitcoin but we don't know what is his agenda IF he elected as the new president.
We also not sure if he can still supports Bitcoin if he really be the new president. But no matters if he support Bitcoin or not, Bitcoin will still gains more popularity from other famous people from other places because Bitcoin is not related to one person power.
Yes, we will see what will happen later and who is the new president. Hopefully, people knows who they need to choose from those candidates so they are not make a wrong selection.

As we know, during the election race, politicians use all possible means to achieve their goals of attracting voters. Therefore, we cannot know for sure how the future US president will treat cryptocurrencies after the inauguration, whoever is elected to the post. I certainly have more sympathy for Trump as he, unlike Harris, has been involved with the crypto industry even before this election. The fact that he paid for his burgers in bitcoins is like a cheap trick, but it's better than keeping quiet about cryptocurrencies.

Theirs news I came across and it was saying that Donald Trump at one of his campaigns he says that he will introduce a new coin that will challenge bitcoin if he assumed office, but I never know how truth is the news, but for cryptocurrency I know that crypto will stand  but they will be different coins that will challenge bitcoin, because trump already hates bitcoin, Harris, I was told that most of his Payouts he uses bitcoin of most of them, so for me I'm seeing him as some who can put more light in bitcoin instead of Donald trump, is not that I'm against trump but through his statements about cryptocurrencies I think that what the news is narrating of launching a new coins that's will challenge a bitcoin, he will do that when he assumed office, but I'm using this medium to ask, the reason why bitcoin is a concern to government outmost the civilized countries?.

[madnessteat]

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I don't think Trump's project can compete with Bitcoin. Bitcoin network cannot be blocked by any state. They can prohibit the use of Bitcoin, but they cannot somehow affect the operation of the network, and thus its anonymous use. Therefore, many states see Bitcoin as a decentralized alternative to their unsecured money.

I wouldn't believe either Trump or Harris, but it seems to me that Trump can do less harm to the crypto industry and the world as a whole than Harris. 

[Onyeeze]

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I don't think Trump's project can compete with Bitcoin. Bitcoin network cannot be blocked by any state. They can prohibit the use of Bitcoin, but they cannot somehow affect the operation of the network, and thus its anonymous use. Therefore, many states see Bitcoin as a decentralized alternative to their unsecured money.

I wouldn't believe either Trump or Harris, but it seems to me that Trump can do less harm to the crypto industry and the world as a whole than Harris. 

But his ambition is to have a project that will supercedes Bitcoin projects, so that's why we have he's trying to launch his own coin, you what all this cryptocurrency project needs is support for financially and also have influence to other coins, if he decides to project his coins which is unknown to us, to high with the kind of money and connection he had, I think his coin maybe better than some of the coins that has being launched for long time, such dogecoin and BNB and also litecoin, you maybe right for the aspect of his being competing with bitcoin, but if his coins project well for constantly three years I think it will drag a reasonable attention that will make Bitcoin to loss some values, shall nobody can tell.

[hedgeh0g]

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I don't think Trump's project can compete with Bitcoin. Bitcoin network cannot be blocked by any state. They can prohibit the use of Bitcoin, but they cannot somehow affect the operation of the network, and thus its anonymous use. Therefore, many states see Bitcoin as a decentralized alternative to their unsecured money.

I wouldn't believe either Trump or Harris, but it seems to me that Trump can do less harm to the crypto industry and the world as a whole than Harris. 

However, it can be dangerous and unstable for the national economy if Bitcoin is introduced at the state level. After all, the rate is changing and Bitcoin is deflationary, and deflation for the economy also has its own issues that need to be addressed.

I also think that Trump will do less harm to the crypto industry, but we will only find out for sure later. I always think that Trump, if he becomes president, can forget all his promises and even change his attitude towards cryptocurrencies, although I hope that this will not happen.

[legendbtc]

I always think that Trump, if he becomes president, can forget all his promises and even change his attitude towards cryptocurrencies, although I hope that this will not happen.

Yes, he can forget all his promises after being elected, that is entirely possible and there is nothing we can do about it. But what about Harris, if we vote for her do we have any hope or chance? From what the Biden administration left behind, I really don't see Harris being more trustworthy than Trump when it comes to crypto. So even though nothing is certain, I would still rather vote for Trump than Harris as she could be a 2nd Biden or even cause more trouble for crypto.

Trump still talks about Bitcoin every day, even uses Bitcoin and becomes the first US president to use Bitcoin, while Harris remains silent on cryptocurrencies. As a bitcoin investor, I would be very nervous about voting for Harris.

[Lannakosa]

Don't trust polls because they are just tools to manipulate the crowd psychology of both parties, not of any party in particular. Also, don't blame any fraud if Trump or Harris loses because that's the nature of politics. To me, a loss is a loss and a win is a win, because there is no guarantee that the Republicans are not cheating. Both sides will cheat and use all kinds of tricks throughout the campaign and during the official election period, but the side with the more sophisticated tricks will win.

I support Trump but I will not defend him if the Republicans do not find a way to deal with his opponent's tricks.

I doubt that in such a country there can be a place for falsifications during elections, here everything will depend on each candidate, how skillful they will be in the fight for each voter. It is also not worth paying attention to polls, they are conducted selectively, and can only reflect an approximate picture, which may differ from the real state of affairs. Harris seems to me a more worthy rival for Trump, but to be honest I do not believe that she can win, Trump is more persistent in his aspirations and it seems to me that he is more eager to win.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Seems the opponent party don't even want to give up on Trump any time soon, seeing that the only way that they could do to stop Trump is, if they take his life. Today I heard of a rumour about an explosive was discovered somewhere targeted at Trump rally ground, but I really don't know how true this is.
I had a source who predicted that there was gonna be a second assassination attempt on Donald Trump, after that very first one failed, Now the same source said they may target and try to blow up his plane and tag it a technical glitch.

This is no longer funny, how people would become so desperate about power and go extent to try to assassinate their opponent, bad.

It will never be pleasant for someone's life to be attempted , much less for political reasons. I think that if these rumors are real and they really want to kill Trump, then Trump's opponents are real cowards who cannot beat him on his own turf but rather have to resort to the lowest dirty strategies such as eliminating someone, that is very undignified , and I don't think he is making all that up, I don't think he has that need, so it's difficult. I only know that as time goes by at some point the truth of things will be known, and that's all I can say, in the meantime I think everything is very murky.

[Sithara007]

A ton of new polls came out yesterday, with many of them showing wildly diverging numbers for the candidates. Pennsylvania is the most crucial state at the moment (and may decide the outcome of the election). Out of the 5 polls for this state that were released yesterday, two of them showed Harris leading (NY Times/Siena, Franklin & Marshall), two showed tie (Washington Post, Marist), while the 5th poll showed Trump leading by 1 point (The Hill/Emerson). At the moment, election seems to be too close to call. And in this case, Dems have the advantage as they do voter fraud. 

[TwitchySeal]

And all those claims you heard in the "not fake news media" about democrats cheating in the 2020 election...they aren't true.  When Trump loses, he says won.  Haven't you figured that out yet?  Pretty much everything that could be disproven has been disproven.  The proof he promised never came.  He lied about the election workers in Georgia.  He lied about the dead people voting.

I don't know what happened in 2020 election but see what's happening in 2024 election.

Oklahoma officials just announced that they have removed 450,000 ineligible names from the voter rolls, including 100,000 dead people and 15,000 duplicate registrations that somehow got pushed into the system
Oklahoma heightens civic engagement worries with removal of over 453,000 from voter rolls
Yahoo news
I can not find an official link from Oklahoma state government. Someone who lives in the USA can find that link and share. If this is true, not fake news, concern about fraud in election is true and if it is true in 2024 election, there is valid reason for concern in 2020 election.

It seems I got it, and 453,000 removed voters are since 2021, not only in 2024.
Governor Stitt, State Election Officials Provide Update on Election Integrity Efforts, Remove Ineligible Voters from Rolls

As part of Oklahoma's routine voter list maintenance as required by law, officials announced over 453,000 voter registrations have been removed, including ineligible voters such as convicted felons and deceased voters, since 2021.

Oklahoma ensures only eligible voters participate in elections in part by following voter list maintenance procedures provided in state law. Since January 1, 2021, Oklahoma election officials have removed 97,065 deceased voters, 143,682 voters who moved out-of-state, 5,607 felons, 14,993 duplicate registrations, and 194,962 inactive voters who were canceled during the address verification process.

I don't know how many voters they removed before the 2020 election.
In Latest Purge, Nearly 90,000 Inactive Voters Removed From Rolls. It's in April 2019, not sure how many total cases removed in 2020 Election in Oklahoma.

Before that last purge in April 2019, there is a report
Oklahoma Prepares to Purge Thousands of Inactive Voters that says 291,233 names were deleted since 2017. So 291,233 pluses 90,000 in the April 2019 purge, sums up to 381,233 removed voters. If no more removed voters since April 2019 to 2020 election, difference between 2024 and 2020 elections is about 70,000 cases.

Wait, are you saying that because Oklahoma removed 453,000 names from their voter registration means that democrats are going to commit election fraud in 2024?

Can you help me connect the dots here?

And do you understand that after the 2020 election, the claims of voter fraud by Trump....they were lies.  You should do some research on dominion voting conspiracy theory...or look up Shaye Moss and Ruby Freeman - the election workers that Trump labeled "professional vote scammers".

Lying about election fraud - that's what's going to happen in the 2024 election - and it's a much bigger threat at this point than actual voter fraud.

[Baki202]

He finally show that he use Bitcoin to buy that to gets more attention from his fan. He show that he can be more friendly with Bitcoin but we don't know what is his agenda IF he elected as the new president.
We also not sure if he can still supports Bitcoin if he really be the new president. But no matters if he support Bitcoin or not, Bitcoin will still gains more popularity from other famous people from other places because Bitcoin is not related to one person power.
Yes, we will see what will happen later and who is the new president. Hopefully, people knows who they need to choose from those candidates so they are not make a wrong selection.

Trump have been showing this intrest since when he wanted to go for second time and if he should win and the is any meaningful comment made by trump will affect bitcoin price and it will reassure people about trump and even me personally will support trump because of what Biden and Harris were doing she is definitely aware of most of all the things that are currently happening and now that the business is getting real that a lot of exposure is happening, and I have more assurance that trump is going to win this election and am also betting on trump because winning this bet will bring me money this one thing am sure of Harris will not win trump have people attention and couples with the fact with all this assaination attempts that is just what I am failing to understand because it does not happen in my own country so why US.

That is one disadvantage I see about bitcoin that that everything about it is always affected by news or any famous person making negative comments about bitcoin, they it will start affecting the price of bitcoin to depent on news, this is something that have been happening for years and a lot of them have been using this for their advantage, and do will really think bitcoin will be able to break away from this.  But I love the bold step that trump is about to take.

[iBaba]

Don't trust polls because they are just tools to manipulate the crowd psychology of both parties, not of any party in particular. Also, don't blame any fraud if Trump or Harris loses because that's the nature of politics. To me, a loss is a loss and a win is a win, because there is no guarantee that the Republicans are not cheating. Both sides will cheat and use all kinds of tricks throughout the campaign and during the official election period, but the side with the more sophisticated tricks will win.

I support Trump but I will not defend him if the Republicans do not find a way to deal with his opponent's tricks.

Polls are most of the time marketing tools derived by the candidates or the opposition to distract the attention of the public or rather change their perspective and confidence in one of the other candidates. Polls do not truly reflect on the outcome of results and are biased at the most of the cases. No one should be seen placing bets or skaing odds based on online polls as these polls do not generally capture the entire voters population. It also reflects only on the targeted audience mostly in line with the interests of the companies or organizations placing those polls.

[pawel7777]

Polls are most of the time marketing tools derived by the candidates or the opposition to distract the attention of the public or rather change their perspective and confidence in one of the other candidates. Polls do not truly reflect on the outcome of results and are biased at the most of the cases. No one should be seen placing bets or skaing odds based on online polls as these polls do not generally capture the entire voters population. It also reflects only on the targeted audience mostly in line with the interests of the companies or organizations placing those polls.

I disagree. Although this might vary from country to country, I would not say that most polls are dishonest and fake the results, not the ones from major polling stations at least. If they were notorious for doing so, they would quickly lose any credibility.
It's all about knowing how to assess the credibility of a poll. If a certain political party ordered it, it's likely to be skewed in their favour, but if it was ordered by a neutral entity and/or the polling station has a great track record, then I see no reason not to take such results seriously. We could also average results from multiple credible stations to get an even better outlook.