Showdown: Trump Vs Haley. Bitcoin betting on the 2024 US Presidential Election

[Don Pedro Dinero]

It has been stablished by polls lately that Trump would do very good on the Republican primaries, but DeSantis seems to have more chances to defeat Biden than Trump does. If Trump gets the Republican nomination and ends up losing to Biden again, I would expect him to claim fraud again, he may even claim fraud before the election itself takes place.

I hope this is not the case. What a ridiculous and generally bad example for democracy in a country that everyone looks up to.

So the Republicans' most likely candidate is the least likely to win the presidency. I am not surprised. I understand that Trump can mobilise more votes against him from the undecided or people of Democratic leanings who might otherwise stay home because they are not entirely happy with Biden's performance.

[Sithara007]

It has been stablished by polls lately that Trump would do very good on the Republican primaries, but DeSantis seems to have more chances to defeat Biden than Trump does. If Trump gets the Republican nomination and ends up losing to Biden again, I would expect him to claim fraud again, he may even claim fraud before the election itself takes place.

I hope this is not the case. What a ridiculous and generally bad example for democracy in a country that everyone looks up to.

So the Republicans' most likely candidate is the least likely to win the presidency. I am not surprised. I understand that Trump can mobilise more votes against him from the undecided or people of Democratic leanings who might otherwise stay home because they are not entirely happy with Biden's performance.

I don't agree with the argument that DeSantis has a better chance to win. He maybe more preferred by the moderate voters, but then hardcore Trump supporters may not vote for him and may sit at home. If GOP has an upper hand, then either of the two candidates should win. Else it doesn't matter. Anyway, the Republicans are so far ahead in most of the opinion polls for the 2024 POTUS elections. If the Republicans lose out in 2024, it will not be due to anything from the Democrats, but only due to infighting among the Republicans.   

[wiss19]

Trump being a good president would be a terrible saying and anyone who says that would be kidding themselves. Trump was a terrible president but to be fair Biden has been as well and everyone knows that these are the only two options USA has, this is why I said they are going to be terrible.

USA has made a mistake of turning elections into a tv show, which basically is the reason why a tv show host ended up winning the election as well. I fear the day Ryan Seacrest ends up getting a nomination because that dude knows how to play an audience and he could definitely get the presidency with this logic. It's better to have a situation where they pick a career politician and for some reason they dislike that idea at this moment.

[Hispo]

It has been stablished by polls lately that Trump would do very good on the Republican primaries, but DeSantis seems to have more chances to defeat Biden than Trump does. If Trump gets the Republican nomination and ends up losing to Biden again, I would expect him to claim fraud again, he may even claim fraud before the election itself takes place.

I hope this is not the case. What a ridiculous and generally bad example for democracy in a country that everyone looks up to.

So the Republicans' most likely candidate is the least likely to win the presidency. I am not surprised. I understand that Trump can mobilise more votes against him from the undecided or people of Democratic leanings who might otherwise stay home because they are not entirely happy with Biden's performance.

I don't agree with the argument that DeSantis has a better chance to win. He maybe more preferred by the moderate voters, but then hardcore Trump supporters may not vote for him and may sit at home. If GOP has an upper hand, then either of the two candidates should win. Else it doesn't matter. Anyway, the Republicans are so far ahead in most of the opinion polls for the 2024 POTUS elections. If the Republicans lose out in 2024, it will not be due to anything from the Democrats, but only due to infighting among the Republicans.   

You can call it infighting, but I personally believe that some competition within the party itself can be healthy for the democracies of any nation, in this case for the health of the democracy of the USA. At this period of time, it seems that the Democrat party does not even care to question the administration of Biden at the slightest and that is a bad sigh.

At this point there should be at least another serious democrat candidate to debate Joe in the primaries, but I don't see any of that, it kind of reminds me authoritarian countries ran by a single party where the leader is never questioned...

[Huppercase]

Trump being a good president would be a terrible saying and anyone who says that would be kidding themselves. Trump was a terrible president but to be fair Biden has been as well and everyone knows that these are the only two options USA has, this is why I said they are going to be terrible.

At a point, Trump was becoming arrogant and rude and by his behavior, he has been one of the most hateful president ever atleast to me, he has create more horrible image to the US than other presidential candidate and for him to looking for a way to come back to Whitehouse, he has an agenda that is not yet fulfill else I believe the 4 years he had one is enough. Biden is a better president than Trump but the rise of LGBT is quite getting out hand and they are doing nothing about it, there is limitations to how freedom are supposed to be express, freedom to right doesn't mean it has to affect others.

USA has made a mistake of turning elections into a tv show, which basically is the reason why a tv show host ended up winning the election as well. I fear the day Ryan Seacrest ends up getting a nomination because that dude knows how to play an audience and he could definitely get the presidency with this logic. It's better to have a situation where they pick a career politician and for some reason they dislike that idea at this moment.

What baffled me is that they don't want to work together, the lose party always find a way to talk bad about the won party and they war continues like that but I believe Biden administration will go for another year, they still love him regardless, there is no point in re-electing a failure, there shouldn't be a second chance for a person who had a complete 4 years in office and was chanting around that everything is fake fake fake.

[alegotardo]

What baffled me is that they don't want to work together, the lose party always find a way to talk bad about the won party and they war continues like that but I believe Biden administration will go for another year, they still love him regardless, there is no point in re-electing a failure, there shouldn't be a second chance for a person who had a complete 4 years in office and was chanting around that everything is fake fake fake.

Generally, American presidents who seek re-election usually win it, but I don't know.... I think Biden's age represents a very big challenge for Americans and the president himself.

However, all tests indicate that Biden enjoys "good health", whether this is true or if they hide something... we will never know.
So far, he seems to have enough energy to face international crises and reforms, but the passage of time is usually relentless after the age of 70.

Biden is clearly slower to walk and often tongue-tied when speaking in public, two conditions that surprise even his supporters. Will he be able to firmly rebut Trump's accusations in a head-to-head debate?

I'm not American, but I like Biden and I would vote for him, but I'm not going to bet on his victory.

[Sithara007]

You can call it infighting, but I personally believe that some competition within the party itself can be healthy for the democracies of any nation, in this case for the health of the democracy of the USA. At this period of time, it seems that the Democrat party does not even care to question the administration of Biden at the slightest and that is a bad sigh.

At this point there should be at least another serious democrat candidate to debate Joe in the primaries, but I don't see any of that, it kind of reminds me authoritarian countries ran by a single party where the leader is never questioned...

There was never proper internal democracy within the Democrat party. And the Democrat party members doesn't behave in a bi-partisan manner unlike some of the GOP members. If you look at the voting pattern, it is clear. During the last decade or so, hardly anyone in the Democrat Party has voted against the party line. But a number of GOP senators and other elected representatives have done so. Right now Kennedy is at no.2 in opinion polls behind Biden for Democrat nomination to POTUS 2024. But I don't even know whether he will be allowed to the debates.

[beerlover]

It has been stablished by polls lately that Trump would do very good on the Republican primaries, but DeSantis seems to have more chances to defeat Biden than Trump does. If Trump gets the Republican nomination and ends up losing to Biden again, I would expect him to claim fraud again, he may even claim fraud before the election itself takes place.

I hope this is not the case. What a ridiculous and generally bad example for democracy in a country that everyone looks up to.

So the Republicans' most likely candidate is the least likely to win the presidency. I am not surprised. I understand that Trump can mobilise more votes against him from the undecided or people of Democratic leanings who might otherwise stay home because they are not entirely happy with Biden's performance.

I don't agree with the argument that DeSantis has a better chance to win. He maybe more preferred by the moderate voters, but then hardcore Trump supporters may not vote for him and may sit at home. If GOP has an upper hand, then either of the two candidates should win. Else it doesn't matter. Anyway, the Republicans are so far ahead in most of the opinion polls for the 2024 POTUS elections. If the Republicans lose out in 2024, it will not be due to anything from the Democrats, but only due to infighting among the Republicans.   

He does have a better chance to win in the mindset that Democrats would not go to vote in that case. Think about it this way, DeSantis would get 60 million votes maybe, but Biden would get 58 against him, whereas Trump may get 65 million votes, more than DeSantis, but then Biden would get 70 million.

As you can see it's not about how much Biden would get, it's about how much democrats would go out to vote against that type of person. Trump would ignite republicans to vote for him without a doubt, but also he would ignite democrats to end up voting for Biden as well, that would be the key. I feel like it's going to end up being a little different and I feel like it's going to take a while before they get used to it as well but that could work.

[TwitchySeal]

You can call it infighting, but I personally believe that some competition within the party itself can be healthy for the democracies of any nation, in this case for the health of the democracy of the USA. At this period of time, it seems that the Democrat party does not even care to question the administration of Biden at the slightest and that is a bad sigh.

At this point there should be at least another serious democrat candidate to debate Joe in the primaries, but I don't see any of that, it kind of reminds me authoritarian countries ran by a single party where the leader is never questioned...

There was never proper internal democracy within the Democrat party. And the Democrat party members doesn't behave in a bi-partisan manner unlike some of the GOP members. If you look at the voting pattern, it is clear. During the last decade or so, hardly anyone in the Democrat Party has voted against the party line. But a number of GOP senators and other elected representatives have done so. Right now Kennedy is at no.2 in opinion polls behind Biden for Democrat nomination to POTUS 2024. But I don't even know whether he will be allowed to the debates.

Kennedy is really just working as a Republican agent at this point to damage Bidens image by painting himself as a "victim" of the Democratic elite (ironic considering his family).  His super pac is basically being run by a MAGA group.  Trump loves him and his MAGA base love him, which isn't surprising considering all the nonsense conspiracy theories he like to spew.



Pro-RFK Jr. Super PAC Has Deep Ties to Marjorie Taylor Greene, George Santos
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/rfk-kennedy-trump-maga-biden-2024-election-1234777035/

[Hispo]

You can call it infighting, but I personally believe that some competition within the party itself can be healthy for the democracies of any nation, in this case for the health of the democracy of the USA. At this period of time, it seems that the Democrat party does not even care to question the administration of Biden at the slightest and that is a bad sigh.

At this point there should be at least another serious democrat candidate to debate Joe in the primaries, but I don't see any of that, it kind of reminds me authoritarian countries ran by a single party where the leader is never questioned...

 But I don't even know whether he will be allowed to the debates.

He is supposed to be allowed in the debates, though.
If he is officially running and he is not allowed into the debates, then it would be a very bad scenario for the American democracy, in my opinion, while I can understand and an united party is a strong one, they are not supposed to close their mind to voices within the part with new ideas and a different way to look at things.

I am afraid, it could be the first step towards an authoritarian system.
It is one of the reasons I give some credit to the Republican party, the more candidates the better.

[Sithara007]

Kennedy is really just working as a Republican agent at this point to damage Bidens image by painting himself as a "victim" of the Democratic elite (ironic considering his family).  His super pac is basically being run by a MAGA group.  Trump loves him and his MAGA base love him, which isn't surprising considering all the nonsense conspiracy theories he like to spew.



Pro-RFK Jr. Super PAC Has Deep Ties to Marjorie Taylor Greene, George Santos
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/rfk-kennedy-trump-maga-biden-2024-election-1234777035/

I don't agree with this argument. At this point, Kennedy represents a greater threat to Trump than Biden. At this point, he is the only Democrat candidate who can defeat Trump (similar to Sanders in 2016). But during the last few months, the Democrat elite have been trying to demonize him in any way possible. They don't want a repeat of 2016.

The average polls from RCP puts Biden at 64% and Kennedy at 14%. No one else polls more than 6%. But at the same time, none of the pollsters are even considering a Trump vs Kennedy scenario. They have put up polls for Trump vs Biden and Trump vs Harris, but they would never consider Trump vs Kennedy. The reason is that Kennedy should defeat Trump hands down. If the polls show that, then it will rattle the Democrat establishment and therefore the polls are not giving that option.

[TwitchySeal]

Kennedy is really just working as a Republican agent at this point to damage Bidens image by painting himself as a "victim" of the Democratic elite (ironic considering his family).  His super pac is basically being run by a MAGA group.  Trump loves him and his MAGA base love him, which isn't surprising considering all the nonsense conspiracy theories he like to spew.



Pro-RFK Jr. Super PAC Has Deep Ties to Marjorie Taylor Greene, George Santos
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/rfk-kennedy-trump-maga-biden-2024-election-1234777035/

I don't agree with this argument. At this point, Kennedy represents a greater threat to Trump than Biden.

Trump is running in the Republican primary.  RFK is campaigning against Biden in the Democrat primary.  They're two seperate sets of elections. 

[Sithara007]

Trump is running in the Republican primary.  RFK is campaigning against Biden in the Democrat primary.  They're two seperate sets of elections. 

I got that. I am talking about a scenario where Kennedy wins the Democrat primary and then becomes the presidential candidate. If that happens, Trump has almost zero chance of a win. On the other hand, if Biden wins the primary, then things will be easy for Trump. As per the latest opinion polls, Trump is leading Biden by a large margin. Even Trump will be hoping that Kennedy doesn't win the Democrat primaries. There are two things. First he has a chance to beat Biden, and then he can provoke the Kennedy supporters by making them believe that their candidate was unfairly treated during the primaries.

[Hispo]

Trump is running in the Republican primary.  RFK is campaigning against Biden in the Democrat primary.  They're two seperate sets of elections.  

I got that. I am talking about a scenario where Kennedy wins the Democrat primary and then becomes the presidential candidate. If that happens, Trump has almost zero chance of a win. On the other hand, if Biden wins the primary, then things will be easy for Trump. As per the latest opinion polls, Trump is leading Biden by a large margin. Even Trump will be hoping that Kennedy doesn't win the Democrat primaries. There are two things. First he has a chance to beat Biden, and then he can provoke the Kennedy supporters by making them believe that their candidate was unfairly treated during the primaries.

Are you sure Trump is leading when compared to Biden's numbers? Last time I checked De Santis seemed to have better chances than Trump had in the scenario of the general election, I mean the final election between Republicans and Democrats.

At this time it catches my attention that I have not heard much about Kennedy on most mainstream media, neither in Fox, CNN, ect. The most I heard and saw was about Biden, DeSantis and Trump. It makes me assume those channels are quite allied with the Washington establishment, if they could ignore Trump they would in a heartbeat; however they realized they cannot ignore him until he is politically gone for good.

Would you care to share the webpage you use to follow polls?  

[TwitchySeal]

Trump is running in the Republican primary.  RFK is campaigning against Biden in the Democrat primary.  They're two seperate sets of elections.  

I got that. I am talking about a scenario where Kennedy wins the Democrat primary and then becomes the presidential candidate.

You said at this point.

I don't agree with this argument. At this point, Kennedy represents a greater threat to Trump than Biden.

He really isn't a threat to Biden winning the nomination.  His chances are pretty close to zero.  The only threat he poses is doing damage to Bidens campaign by campaigning against him.  That's why you don't see any serious candidates running against him.  

If that happens, Trump has almost zero chance of a win. On the other hand, if Biden wins the primary, then things will be easy for Trump. As per the latest opinion polls, Trump is leading Biden by a large margin.

Nonsense.

I don't know what makes you think RFK is a lock in a Trump/RFK general and Trump isn't leading Biden by a large margin.  They're within a couple points in the latest polls, with Biden having a slight edge overall.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

Most of what you've claimed seems to be made up.

[FanEagle]

Considering Kennedy is an anti-vaxxer, I really really hope that he will not be allowed to speak. I mean I do not want him to be nominated of course, but not only not nominated, I also do not want him to speak because he would have a place to voice his anti-vaxx approach to everyone.

There has been millions dead because of the pandemic and the only reason we are much better to go outside nowadays is thanks to hard work of the scientists that provided us with the vaccination, otherwise there would be a lot more millions dead and a long long time we can't go out as well, and all this work to be considered BS by someone who do not have any science degree at all, just a lawyer. I am sorry but if USA elects such a guy, there is no hope for the future at all.

[Hispo]

Considering Kennedy is an anti-vaxxer, I really really hope that he will not be allowed to speak. I mean I do not want him to be nominated of course, but not only not nominated, I also do not want him to speak because he would have a place to voice his anti-vaxx approach to everyone.

There has been millions dead because of the pandemic and the only reason we are much better to go outside nowadays is thanks to hard work of the scientists that provided us with the vaccination, otherwise there would be a lot more millions dead and a long long time we can't go out as well, and all this work to be considered BS by someone who do not have any science degree at all, just a lawyer. I am sorry but if USA elects such a guy, there is no hope for the future at all.

Ironically, Trump's management of the topic of the vaccine has been strange: on one hand he likes to brag on how quickly the vaccine was developed under his administration and the fact he endorsed the vaccination, however, he is not stupid; he is aware much of his voting base is against vaccination and they believe vaccines are literal poison or the mark of the beast, ect.

I have noticed he prefers to avoid the topic, using whatever talking point is going on the news about his political opponents, it could be the alleged bribe Biden accepted or the coke found on the White House, anything but the contradictions he does not want to face in front of a camera.

[Gyfts]

See Gov. Ron DeSantis speak about CBDC's: https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1679977084817661952

I've seen that the public is largely ignorant about the threats CBDC's pose. DeSantis in his answer specifically points out that the U.S. congress can easily be circumvented through executive orders to develop framework surrounding CBDC's. You may think the matter must be adjudicated in the U.S. Congress, which is what the constitutional would generally call for, but there are ways the central banks can avoid this.

Biden is explicitly for CBDC's, his administration has funded research into their development. He's explicitly anti-crypto, and his administration has worked diligently to ensure that crypto growth is curtailed through regulations, lawsuits, and taxes. Trump on the other hand is utterly lost when it comes to Bitcoin, referring to it as a "scam" because it competes against USD- https://decrypt.co/72939/bitcoin-seems-like-scam-former-us-president-donald-trump. If Trump were truly a conservative and a capitalist, he would have invited competition between currencies because it usually breeds the best products for the consumer. Unfortunately Trump was too cowardly to show up to today's summit. Had he shown up, we might have had a bit more insight onto his views of CBDC's.

Anyways, I'm pleased with DeSantis's performance today, especially from a crypto perspective. He's down by a lot in polling and betting market. One can hope the tides will turn.

[CarnagexD]

Considering Kennedy is an anti-vaxxer, I really really hope that he will not be allowed to speak. I mean I do not want him to be nominated of course, but not only not nominated, I also do not want him to speak because he would have a place to voice his anti-vaxx approach to everyone.

There has been millions dead because of the pandemic and the only reason we are much better to go outside nowadays is thanks to hard work of the scientists that provided us with the vaccination, otherwise there would be a lot more millions dead and a long long time we can't go out as well, and all this work to be considered BS by someone who do not have any science degree at all, just a lawyer. I am sorry but if USA elects such a guy, there is no hope for the future at all.

I think you're not aware yet that there's a mass of information even the Pfizer said it that vaxx have no real effectiveness. That also serves an information the the whole pandemic ws just a propaganda. Like a matric thing to control the people. Almost every people in the world. And guess what? Why do you think during those time, those poor and getting difficulty to make a living with respected facial and social distancing while the rich and politicians are partying. What information do you think they have?

[bittraffic]

Considering Kennedy is an anti-vaxxer, I really really hope that he will not be allowed to speak. I mean I do not want him to be nominated of course, but not only not nominated, I also do not want him to speak because he would have a place to voice his anti-vaxx approach to everyone.

There has been millions dead because of the pandemic and the only reason we are much better to go outside nowadays is thanks to hard work of the scientists that provided us with the vaccination, otherwise there would be a lot more millions dead and a long long time we can't go out as well, and all this work to be considered BS by someone who do not have any science degree at all, just a lawyer. I am sorry but if USA elects such a guy, there is no hope for the future at all.

Ironically, Trump's management of the topic of the vaccine has been strange: on one hand he likes to brag on how quickly the vaccine was developed under his administration and the fact he endorsed the vaccination, however, he is not stupid; he is aware much of his voting base is against vaccination and they believe vaccines are literal poison or the mark of the beast, ect.

I have noticed he prefers to avoid the topic, using whatever talking point is going on the news about his political opponents, it could be the alleged bribe Biden accepted or the coke found on the White House, anything but the contradictions he does not want to face in front of a camera.

Kennedy is not in the game. He is just going to divide the votes of Biden, if anything he will decide not to run in the end.

Of all the issues coming out since Biden, vax may be one of the things that are to be exposed to nail his campaign. It's a touchy subject but there are lots more to talk about in getting more votes for Trump than vax issue. The age and mental state alone of Biden is not gonna make him win that's for sure those are the best talking point for Trump.