Showdown: Trump Vs Haley. Bitcoin betting on the 2024 US Presidential Election

[Hispo]

The machinery created to spread black propaganda against the Democrats are working hard again. This consiracy theory about Hillary Clinton and her aide has recently been becoming more visible in social media.

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I haven't heard anything about this recent scandal. But at the same time, the mainstream media went crazy about the allegations made by Stormy Daniels. Whatever happened between Trump and Daniels was purely consensual, and even then Trump was demonized for that. On the other hand, photos and videos showing Hunter Biden involved in serious criminal behavior was leaked sometime back and the mainstream media never covered this story. And you still want to believe that the media is biased against Joe Biden and favoring Trump?

Actually, it is not a new thing. It is a rumor which is very common among those in the far right, about a very disturbing video featuring Hillary and other people close to her mutilating and drinking the blood out of a child. You know, the typical satanic ritual which was filmed for some reason.

Though, I must admit that even though that rumor is crazy. I cannot deny that Hillary gives bad vibes and the leaked emails she exchanges with other people are quite disturbing on their own... Have you read them?

The rumors also say that the elite's drug of choice is adrenochrome which can be taken by drinking the blood of a terrorized victim. They prefer innocent children and teenagers because the adrenochrome is more potent.

Also, can you share the source of the leaked emails? It might make the readers of the thread to bet for a Republican hehehehehe.

I know, it is a urban legend. I think it comes from a movie or something.
If you are interested on those emails sent and received by Hillary you can find them on wikileaks and similar webpages. Those emails in particular are quite disturbing because Hillary and whoever she is talking to, used references to ancient gods and deities from Israel. Also many code words which do not make sense for an outsider.

Actually, it would not be strange if some people actually voted Republican after reading those emails, indeed.

Those emails might be a kind of secret code only known by the sender and the receiver of the emails. This is head scratching because we have encryption technology already available that lets us sign, encrypt and decrypt emails. Hillary Clinton's weirdness would not have been exposed. hehee.

I will browse wikileaks later but is it safe? If I have not logged in bitcointalk for days, assume the government got me.

I suppose Hillary and her friends were not aware of the encryption technology. I have no idea how the email leaked, tho. I think it was the Russian or something. Anyways, I am glad she never became the president of USA.

On Wikileaks, I am not sure how safe or unsafe is to browse there, considering how hostile some governments have been against its founder I would recommend to anyone browsing there to use a good VPN or Tor or both.

Ironically, in 2016 there was an scandal on documents during elections in USA, and now in 2023 the history repeats with Trump.

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[bittraffic]

I don't think Us is ready for a woman president. It's always men, Hillary has no chance.  Yes. It's a Deja Vu for Hillary if she finds herself debating Trump again. lol Funniest on earth while Hillary takes it seriously, Trump is just laughing at her. Donald is a troll.

^ The open south border brings the drug of choice of the poor guys which is fentanyl.  Looking back on history, the Chinese were once addicted to Opium which caused their fall. Now it's China that is buying American companies and giving loans.  

It was the NATO that first used drugs as a weapon to wage proxy war against countries on the opposite side of the spectrum. After they took control of Afghanistan in 2001, NATO soldiers encouraged opium poppy production and even guarded the poppy farms. Heroin produced in Afghanistan was then sent to countries such as Russia and Iran, where millions of young people died as a result of drug overdose. Now China is giving the Americans a taste of their own medicine, by shipping fentanyl to the United States. The death toll is much lower though. As per latest reports, around 100,000 per year.

They are so pink, I love it. Big industry in Afghanistan.
Fentanyl causes no death but they turn a person into a zombie. You literally can see one who is high on it just struggle to stand up but dance upside down. It's like watching a comedy zombie movie.

[TwitchySeal]

^ The open south border brings the drug of choice of the poor guys which is fentanyl.  Looking back on history, the Chinese were once addicted to Opium which caused their fall. Now it's China that is buying American companies and giving loans.  

The border actually isn't open.  
Since title 42 ended  and Bidens new policy went into effect in May illegal crossings have dropped 70% from the high and they're refusing entry to 3,000 - 4,000 per day (as of a couple weeks ago).  Because of the change in policy, those who are sent away can't apply again like before.  Everyone is actually pretty surprised at how low the numbers are right now, they were preparing for much worse.

Reality is far from what you read in conservative media and as long as you keep gobbling it up they'll keep serving you links to nonsense.  

[alegotardo]

The border actually isn't open.  
Since title 42 ended  and Bidens new policy went into effect in May illegal crossings have dropped 70% from the high and they're refusing entry to 3,000 - 4,000 per day (as of a couple weeks ago).  Because of the change in policy, those who are sent away can't apply again like before.  Everyone is actually pretty surprised at how low the numbers are right now, they were preparing for much worse.

In fact, I was also hoping for opposite numbers after they revoked the measure that allowed expelling migrants without considering their asylum applications, as it would be easier to stay longer in the United States and thus the number of irregular people would increase, but that is not what happened.

Indeed, the United States experienced a peak of irregular migration during the Covid crisis, with poor people coming primarily from countries already experiencing acute humanitarian emergencies, such as Venezuela, Haiti and other regions dominated by criminal groups in Central America.

My opinion is that with the "improvement" in the global situation, the numbers of people migrating to the United States has decreased due to lack of interest, and not just because of measures that the United States has taken.

In any case, this has always been a sensitive issue in the discussions of presidential candidates.

[Sithara007]

In fact, I was also hoping for opposite numbers after they revoked the measure that allowed expelling migrants without considering their asylum applications, as it would be easier to stay longer in the United States and thus the number of irregular people would increase, but that is not what happened.

Indeed, the United States experienced a peak of irregular migration during the Covid crisis, with poor people coming primarily from countries already experiencing acute humanitarian emergencies, such as Venezuela, Haiti and other regions dominated by criminal groups in Central America.

My opinion is that with the "improvement" in the global situation, the numbers of people migrating to the United States has decreased due to lack of interest, and not just because of measures that the United States has taken.

In any case, this has always been a sensitive issue in the discussions of presidential candidates.

Media wants to paint a picture of poor people migrating to the United States to escape from poverty. But that is not the case in realty. A large fraction of those who immigrate illegally are criminals and people with shady background. Here in India, most of the illegal immigrants to the US comes from two states - Punjab and Gujarat. Farmers in these states are filthy rich (thanks to the freebies from Indian government) and they spend anywhere from ₹2 million to ₹5 million in trying to migrate to the US (equivalent to $16,500 - $41,350).

[Don Pedro Dinero]

The border actually isn't open.  
Since title 42 ended  and Bidens new policy went into effect in May illegal crossings have dropped 70% from the high and they're refusing entry to 3,000 - 4,000 per day (as of a couple weeks ago).  Because of the change in policy, those who are sent away can't apply again like before.  Everyone is actually pretty surprised at how low the numbers are right now, they were preparing for much worse.

Reality is far from what you read in conservative media and as long as you keep gobbling it up they'll keep serving you links to nonsense.  

And what is supposed to be the reason for this change last May? Could it have something to do with the fact that presidential elections are just over a year away? If you were letting in a lot of people and legislation that went into effect last May has reduced illegal immigration by 70% from the peak, you're either acknowledging that you were doing something wrong before or you're doing it for a very specific purpose, like an electoral purpose.

[tusandii]

My opinion is that with the "improvement" in the global situation, the numbers of people migrating to the United States has decreased due to lack of interest, and not just because of measures that the United States has taken.

What is a global problem is that there are many countries out there that are not sympathetic to the US and some even have unfavorable opinions towards the US.
We don't know what past issues have caused it but what is clear is that the US has strict requirements and restrictions for foreigners wishing to stop over there.

But this should have nothing to do with the upcoming elections and the current US leadership should be able to sort this out in coordination with those responsible.

[Gozie51]

In any case, this has always been a sensitive issue in the discussions of presidential candidates.

The foreign policy of a candidate to the American presidential election is important to the voters. Usually America estimate to issue about 1 million permanent stay card or green card in a year and those are captured in their data plus other in route that seem illegal that people find their way in although they are sent out if found but question is whether the current administration has performed well to recontest the seat. Biden to me has not really made America the pride like what Obama did.

[Josefjix]

In any case, this has always been a sensitive issue in the discussions of presidential candidates.

The foreign policy of a candidate to the American presidential election is important to the voters. Usually America estimate to issue about 1 million permanent stay card or green card in a year and those are captured in their data plus other in route that seem illegal that people find their way in although they are sent out if found but question is whether the current administration has performed well to recontest the seat. Biden to me has not really made America the pride like what Obama did.

   We already have presidential contenders, and they are laying out their strategies for winning the upcoming election. Still arguing who will win the upcoming presidential elections in 2024. It will undoubtedly be challenging. President Joe Biden was sworn in as the 46th President of the United States of America on January 20, 2021. He's a senator, and believe me, he understands how to utilize the country. But he is hesitant to fulfill his current position; he is making the world power appear weak in the eyes of other countries; America rattles under Biden's control, in contrast to Barrack Obama and Donald Trump, who were regarded as fierce by other countries.

[Hispo]

In any case, this has always been a sensitive issue in the discussions of presidential candidates.

The foreign policy of a candidate to the American presidential election is important to the voters. Usually America estimate to issue about 1 million permanent stay card or green card in a year and those are captured in their data plus other in route that seem illegal that people find their way in although they are sent out if found but question is whether the current administration has performed well to recontest the seat. Biden to me has not really made America the pride like what Obama did.

Actually, it must be clear to us that there is a big difference between foreign policy and immigration policies. When we talk about foreign policy, then it is mostly about the way the United States interacts with other nations at a diplomatic level and immigration policies are the ways the United States treats and allows people to stay in their country in the long term.

Though, I can agree with you that Obama was one of his kind as president. I am afraid we won´t have someone as charismatic and professional as him in a long time within the White House. If he could run, I would bet in favor of him.

[TwitchySeal]

In fact, I was also hoping for opposite numbers after they revoked the measure that allowed expelling migrants without considering their asylum applications, as it would be easier to stay longer in the United States and thus the number of irregular people would increase, but that is not what happened.

Indeed, the United States experienced a peak of irregular migration during the Covid crisis, with poor people coming primarily from countries already experiencing acute humanitarian emergencies, such as Venezuela, Haiti and other regions dominated by criminal groups in Central America.

My opinion is that with the "improvement" in the global situation, the numbers of people migrating to the United States has decreased due to lack of interest, and not just because of measures that the United States has taken.

In any case, this has always been a sensitive issue in the discussions of presidential candidates.

Media wants to paint a picture of poor people migrating to the United States to escape from poverty. But that is not the case in realty. A large fraction of those who immigrate illegally are criminals and people with shady background. Here in India, most of the illegal immigrants to the US comes from two states - Punjab and Gujarat. Farmers in these states are filthy rich (thanks to the freebies from Indian government) and they spend anywhere from ₹2 million to ₹5 million in trying to migrate to the US (equivalent to $16,500 - $41,350).

On the southern border they are mostly poor.  Many of them literally walking months through jungles from places as far as venezuela.  If you don't count the crime of entering the country illegally, those that are able to enter the country actually commit crime at a lower rate than natural born Americans.

In 2018, the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 782 per 100,000 illegal immigrants, 535 per 100,000 legal immigrants, and 1,422 per 100,000 native‐​born Americans. The illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 45 percent below that of native‐​born Americans in Texas. The general pattern of native‐​born Americans having the highest criminal conviction rates followed by illegal immigrants and then with legal immigrants having the lowest holds for all of other specific types of crimes such as violent crimes, property crimes, homicide, and sex crimes.

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-research-illegal-immigration-crime-0

Using crime as an anti-immigration argument is nonsense.

[STT]

Ironic thing is the immigration of labor for farm work for example is a bonus to the US economy.    However the impression of allowing people to enter and work in the USA without being proper citizens etc. looks bad hence why politics is the dance between that demand for freely available labor and the appearance or actual pressure of supporting variable migrant populations from across the border.
   If all immigrants were stopped crossing and even those not legally in USA were magically returned to their country of origin in 1 day it would be the start of a recession, costs would rise helping inflation and just less work would be done its easily the start of retraction in the US economy ironically people are a vital resource even when its plain workers even unskilled people are valuable.  Im not sure any candidate reflects the finesse required to bridge both those points without upsetting either body of opinion.  Its easier just to spout rhetoric to win votes, that cheap tactic is ultimately short term hot air with failed policy which is why I have no belief Trump retains the broad consensus required to actually return to power; it would be highly unusual.

[el kaka22]

It is super awesome to think that there are some regular people who read and understood the secrets behind emails and they have figured it out and they are trying to help people see the reality, whereas they are saying "they are all in it!!!" to every single judge and politician. So, they are expecting us to believe that one side is in on it and the other side is doing nothing about it and want a vote for one of them? I am sorry but it is just made up crazy stories of lunatics and nothing more.

Anyone who believes that Hillary took bloods of terrorized children as a drug should be ignored as a sick person, ignore them and move on with your life, these people once believed lizard humans lived among us as well, that's how crazy they are.

[Hispo]

It is super awesome to think that there are some regular people who read and understood the secrets behind emails and they have figured it out and they are trying to help people see the reality, whereas they are saying "they are all in it!!!" to every single judge and politician. So, they are expecting us to believe that one side is in on it and the other side is doing nothing about it and want a vote for one of them? I am sorry but it is just made up crazy stories of lunatics and nothing more.

Anyone who believes that Hillary took bloods of terrorized children as a drug should be ignored as a sick person, ignore them and move on with your life, these people once believed lizard humans lived among us as well, that's how crazy they are.

While I agree on what you say and there is people who take things too far and believe things which are rather ridiculous, we cannot ignore that there are creepy practices which are carried by politicians, specially in north America. For example, the Emails of Hillary, which we have already mentioned. Another example is that Canadian politician who was in a Zoom call with his companions, forgot his camera was on and was caught peeing in his coffee mug. Those are cases which are completely real and yet people do not talk too much about them.

[Betwrong]

If you are talking about conviction of a presidential candidate, or even ex-president to be fair, then you are talking about a terrible historical moment of a nation. No nation should ever have a presidential candidate that is a convicted fellon, plus not something they did as a president for sure. If a person did something that makes them a criminal due to a crime committed thanks to being a president, that is a historical problem. I am not saying he is guilty, nor am I saying he is innocent, I am saying in both cases this is terrible. If he is guilty, you guys have a president who used his presidency to commit a crime, if he is innocent then you have a president who is being scapegoated, there is no "fine" result in the end, one way or another, its terrible.

Let's let that amazing statement slip, "in both cases this is terrible". The situation in the USA is terrible in any case. Well, isn't that just f⊂cking amazing? But, let's not dwell on that, shall we? We are not in the Politics & Society section after all.

What I see in your post is that Trump has very small chances to be elected. It's not like around 30%, as we could conclude from the current odds



but much less than that, and so, we shouldn't bet on him with these odds.

This is quite surprising to me to see that Donald trump has little chances of winning. I don't think so because Donald was once the president of the United States and during his time life was easy and the US economy was cool and even has reserves. Now that Biden is the president, minimum wage had increased many times making life more harder to those who can not afford food and other basic amenities. The Biden regime is never funny at all and it is leading the United States into world war that could destroy the world. This next election that is coming up, Donald has high chances of becoming the president.

Are you saying this because you are the citizen of the United States, or you just heard it from the propagandists you watch on your home telly?

Donald Trump is a disgrace to America according to most Americans, and that's why we have those odds: gamblers, even if they are totally apolitical, they just don't think Trump can be elected next year.

[Sithara007]

Quite a few opinion polls came out this week, and one from Florida was very interesting. It has Trump leading Biden by 10 points (49 vs 39) and DeSantis leading Biden by 13 points (49 vs 36). During the last one decade, we have seen many of the swing states going light-blue or even solid blue. But Florida stands out from the rest. It is the only state where the Republicans have made gains, mainly as a result of their acceptability with the Hispanic population. On the other hand, states like Pennsylvania have dropped out of the Republican sphere of influence as a result of the growing Hispanic population there. 

[bittraffic]

If you are talking about conviction of a presidential candidate, or even ex-president to be fair, then you are talking about a terrible historical moment of a nation. No nation should ever have a presidential candidate that is a convicted fellon, plus not something they did as a president for sure. If a person did something that makes them a criminal due to a crime committed thanks to being a president, that is a historical problem. I am not saying he is guilty, nor am I saying he is innocent, I am saying in both cases this is terrible. If he is guilty, you guys have a president who used his presidency to commit a crime, if he is innocent then you have a president who is being scapegoated, there is no "fine" result in the end, one way or another, its terrible.

Let's let that amazing statement slip, "in both cases this is terrible". The situation in the USA is terrible in any case. Well, isn't that just f⊂cking amazing? But, let's not dwell on that, shall we? We are not in the Politics & Society section after all.

What I see in your post is that Trump has very small chances to be elected. It's not like around 30%, as we could conclude from the current odds



but much less than that, and so, we shouldn't bet on him with these odds.

This is quite surprising to me to see that Donald trump has little chances of winning. I don't think so because Donald was once the president of the United States and during his time life was easy and the US economy was cool and even has reserves. Now that Biden is the president, minimum wage had increased many times making life more harder to those who can not afford food and other basic amenities. The Biden regime is never funny at all and it is leading the United States into world war that could destroy the world. This next election that is coming up, Donald has high chances of becoming the president.

Are you saying this because you are the citizen of the United States, or you just heard it from the propagandists you watch on your home telly?

Donald Trump is a disgrace to America according to most Americans, and that's why we have those odds: gamblers, even if they are totally apolitical, they just don't think Trump can be elected next year.

With the people going wild as Trump walks with Dana in UFC 290, it just shows how people support Trump. He walks there like he owns the people cheering up. Even Joe Rogan I think has set up Trump in his podcast it may happen sooner. It's a tectonic shift toward Trump as polls swing 10+ points to Trump and voters choosing the populist.

Biden in Peril as No Democrat President Has Survived a Recession Since FDR
https://www.newsweek.com/recession-joe-biden-inflation-economy-obama-reagan-1728850

One analysis I have read is that if people are going to elect a new president with the potential to be reelected, this president may concentrate more on his re-election and do more for his image. But electing a president that has no other goals but his legacy will do his best to do good for the people.  There is just got to be Biden and Trump. 

[Hispo]

Quite a few opinion polls came out this week, and one from Florida was very interesting. It has Trump leading Biden by 10 points (49 vs 39) and DeSantis leading Biden by 13 points (49 vs 36). During the last one decade, we have seen many of the swing states going light-blue or even solid blue. But Florida stands out from the rest. It is the only state where the Republicans have made gains, mainly as a result of their acceptability with the Hispanic population. On the other hand, states like Pennsylvania have dropped out of the Republican sphere of influence as a result of the growing Hispanic population there. 

It has been stablished by polls lately that Trump would do very good on the Republican primaries, but DeSantis seems to have more chances to defeat Biden than Trump does. If Trump gets the Republican nomination and ends up losing to Biden again, I would expect him to claim fraud again, he may even claim fraud before the election itself takes place.

Also, the Hispanic demography is a complex one, I think most of them tend to vote blue, except for the Cubans and Venezuelans, who themselves come from countries ran by left parties, socialist or communist parties. Perhaps, with the Venezuelan and Cuban migration towards Florida, it may turned into a Ruby red state indefinitely.

[TwitchySeal]

Also, the Hispanic demography is a complex one, I think most of them tend to vote blue, except for the Cubans and Venezuelans, who themselves come from countries ran by left parties, socialist or communist parties. Perhaps, with the Venezuelan and Cuban migration towards Florida, it may turned into a Ruby red state indefinitely.

Republicans have been very effective at targeting Cuban communities with political ads and media that associate Democrats with communism.  The pandemic made it much easier for them to be successful. 

Inside the ‘big wave’ of misinformation targeted at Latinos

WASHINGTON (AP) — Before last year’s presidential election, Facebook ads targeting Latino voters described Joe Biden as a communist. During his inauguration, another conspiracy theory spread online and on Spanish-language radio warning that a brooch worn by Lady Gaga signaled Biden was working with shadowy, leftist figures abroad.

And in the final stretch of Virginia’s election for governor, stories written in Spanish accused Biden of ordering the arrest of a man during a school board meeting.

None of that was true. But such misinformation represents a growing threat to Democrats, who are anxious about their standing with Latino voters after surprise losses last year in places like South Florida and the Rio Grande Valley in Texas.

“There were clearly specific Spanish-speaking communities that were being targeted,” said Laura Edelson, the lead researcher for NYU’s program.

Evelyn Pérez-Verdía, a Florida Democratic strategist who watches Spanish misinformation patterns, says many online narratives intentionally stoke “fear in the Spanish-speaking communities.”

One conspiracy theory mentioned on talk radio grew out of Lady Gaga’s golden bird brooch at Biden’s inauguration. Some spreading the claim noted a similar brooch once worn by Claudia López Hernandez, the first openly gay mayor of Bogota, Colombia, signaled the new president was working with foreign leftists.

“They’re not going to stop. They’re going to double down on it,” Pérez-Verdía said of the misinformation.

https://apnews.com/article/latinos-misinformation-election-334d779a4ec41aa0eef9ea80636f9595

[Sithara007]

Also, the Hispanic demography is a complex one, I think most of them tend to vote blue, except for the Cubans and Venezuelans, who themselves come from countries ran by left parties, socialist or communist parties. Perhaps, with the Venezuelan and Cuban migration towards Florida, it may turned into a Ruby red state indefinitely.

That is surprising. I thought that the Cuban community in Florida was declining due to low birth rates and most of the Hispanic community now originates from Puerto Rico (especially in Tampa and Orlando) and Mexico. IMO, Cuban population is more or less stagnant, while the increase is coming from other Hispanic communities. Also, Cubans and Venezuelans have always supported the GOP. Therefore the increase in support for GOP among the Floridan Hispanics can't be attributed to them. Also, there are sizable populations of Colombians and Dominicans.