Showdown: Trump Vs Haley. Bitcoin betting on the 2024 US Presidential Election

[Timelord2067]

You can probably look at Kim Jong Un's crossing of the South Korea border during Trump's admin

You have that back-to-front

It was Trump who crossed the border, not Kim.

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[Sithara007]

You can probably look at Kim Jong Un's crossing of the South Korea border during Trump's admin

You have that back-to-front

It was Trump who crossed the border, not Kim.

As far as I remember, Kim Jong Un briefly stepped in to South Korea, after the RoK president urged him to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IyLMz4bues

This one happened back in 2018, when Kim Jong Un of DPRK and Moon-Jae-in of Republic of Korea met each other in Panmunjom in the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ). But things went bad after that and the relations between these two countries are now at a new low. Moon-Jae-in himself benefited greatly from improved relations back in 2018, and his party managed to win the parliamentary elections in 2020.

[Hispo]

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That's a really good point, yes. Trump's focus in essentially any speech he holds is on the mistakes of his political opponents or on things that he could twist such that they look like a mistake to his followers. He really is a verbal acrobat and I watched him holding a speech just yesterday. Quintessence of the speech was: without him there would not be a single war on the whole planet right now. But all wars there are these days are the result of Biden's political decisions. But he also often leaves the political arena and pulls as many private issues into it as possible. Ad hominem attacks are one of his major rhetorical devices.

I don't know how serious Trump is when he talk about himself as a kind of global peace maker which would end all those conflicts easily. I doubt he is talking without knowing anything about geopolitics, because he was president of his country after all.

It is quite a interesting thing if you pay attention, he has mixed his propaganda of America First, but at the same time he has managed to continue to talk about conflicts from all around the globe. If he talks about making peace, then it is still a sort of USA mediation or interference.

Economically he wants to keep USA in his priorities, but politically he is similar enough to his predecessors in the White House. They may even have a quite similar definition on what peace is.

That is how I see it, too. But Trump knows that there are many actors in the world who give a damn about what Trump says and whether he wants war or not. It is not like everyone around the globe is listening to him and then making a decision whether to initiate a war or not. That may be the case for some countries, but certainly not for all. It is so easy for him to now claim that there wouldn't be war in the Ukraine if he was the president. But you know, Trump is turning every single piece of the presence upside down and claims it would be better with him. I can't even remember if he ever said he would have done the same because what someone else did was good. Narcissism.

Yes, Narcissism. I do not how much of it, but obviously it is more narcissism than any president of the United States is supposed to have, so they can direct their republic to a good future.

If you asked me, Trump with his peace-making speech is not only trying to appeal to people living in other countries or leaders of other nations, the way he uses this speech is order to try tk convince those who are not in favor of using tax money to fund wars, while at home there are people do cannot afford to pay for shelter and suffer in the winters, or those who cannot afford some medicine to take care of themselves.

It is a left wing speech, but twisted to bring people to vote for a man who obviously has nothing to do with left wing policies. It is a good strategy, and will stay as an strategy, since it is obvious Trump won't use that funding to pay for medicine, though.

[LUCKMCFLY]

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There are more Asian and Hispanic voters, and less white voters.

Probably a result of easing up on border policies over the years?

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Quintessence of the speech was: without him there would not be a single war on the whole planet right now. But all wars there are these days are the result of Biden's political decisions. But he also often leaves the political arena and pulls as many private issues into it as possible. Ad hominem attacks are one of his major rhetorical devices.

I don't know how serious Trump is when he talk about himself as a kind of global peace maker which would end all those conflicts easily. I doubt he is talking without knowing anything about geopolitics, because he was president of his country after all.

It is quite a interesting thing if you pay attention, he has mixed his propaganda of America First, but at the same time he has managed to continue to talk about conflicts from all around the globe. If he talks about making peace, then it is still a sort of USA mediation or interference.

Economically he wants to keep USA in his priorities, but politically he is similar enough to his predecessors in the White House. They may even have a quite similar definition on what peace is.

I think he's a better negotiator than Biden so he may be right about no wars right now if he was still the POTUS. You can probably look at Kim Jong Un's crossing of the South Korea border during Trump's admin and normalization of relations in the middle east as an example. He may still continue the US influence or presence in other countries but I doubt he would escalate things. He understands that it would cost more for the American people if wars actually broke out.

He didn't make war in his term and probably left Afghanistan gradually if it was his term since he was the first to have suggested leaving the country earlier on his watch.  We wouldn't want to see the world on fire if it was he who won.

It's not surprising Trump's poll is rising. Now that the Middle East is about to erupt, I think they are really close to having an all-out war there with Israel all alone vs the rest. Another war backed by Biden and US tax money while citizens are already delinquents. Bidens gotta go.

Something that I have always seen that has happened in the USA is that the Moment people put Themselves in context with wars, the USA is always the Protagonist, in this case not , in the Middle East the problem is quite difficult to fix, because they are There is a difference in religion, so in this case things do Not work well , but if you have to Enter to avoid a third world War , and of Course , Biden is a president who avoids an armed conflict at all costs, in this case Trump is more about showing strength, not letting himself be surprised, or taking a somewhat prudish attitude, when it is known that by these things many deaths can be avoided, in this case of Biden many things have happened, wars, it is not possible that this is Attacking the USA so much, knowing that the USA is practically a power in every sense, the fact that things have happened like this does not mean that things can happen well, so something must be done.

Regarding the fact that Trump can increase his popularity so that he can be a little better, well, yes, in that aspect Trump is very good, you can feel that he is much more focused on this type of problem, more to solve it Clearly and clearly demonstrate that the USA is strong , and that they Can Stop any conflict, in fact in one of Turmp's statements he always focused on the fact that he would not have allowed the war in Ukraine and Russia to have advanced so much, of course it is very easy to say and do since you are not in power, but in power in the USA it is very difficult to make decisions, because you are in charge of a Congress that tells you no and Yes to what the president says and they do not approve it, so difficult, because there things in the politics are still very flat and each politician takes his position well, in this case Treump is very full of problems, I don't know how much he has already been through or fought, but the war they had against him was Impressive , I don't know, but for Now the victims can wait to see how it continues to Develop.

[STT]

You have that back-to-front

It was Trump who crossed the border, not Kim.

Not the first time that Trump was the immigrant :p he was the son of an immigrant in some quite great irony, his mothers second language was english.  For all the fuss he made over Obama his lineage in terms of generations born in the USA is exactly the same level with only one parent USA born, I thought that was quite funny it was off that nonsense this all started.   Ted Cruz white as he may be he is the most questionable candidate as he is born abroad but was raised as a citizen hence qualifies to run for president under the exact terms required.

The middle eastern problem is they have tribal divisions going back forever, I think almost any country I think of has that potential division in its ranks.  The civil war in Libra is tribal and makes no sense as the nation is so rich if diving its oil production between all people they are all well off.  The current Israel problem is between 2 tribes again with both people originally tracing their origins to that ground.  I believe neighbouring countries should just take on the Arabic areas on their borders within their governance even if only as a territory not union, formalize the protection and potential war between all parties in that location

[Timelord2067]

As far as I remember, Kim Jong Un briefly stepped in to South Korea, after the RoK president urged him to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IyLMz4bues

I wasn't aware of that having occurred.  When I was reading the post I was taking the comment in the context of Trump being at the border with Kim, hence my recalling Trump (not Kim) crossing the border.

Not the first time that Trump was the immigrant :p he was the son of an immigrant in some quite great irony, his mothers second language was english.  For all the fuss he made over Obama his lineage in terms of generations born in the USA is exactly the same level with only one parent USA born, I thought that was quite funny it was off that nonsense this all started.   Ted Cruz white as he may be he is the most questionable candidate as he is born abroad but was raised as a citizen hence qualifies to run for president under the exact terms required.

Trump's wives are likewise of European origins.

I was under the impression a candidate had to be born in the USA ^{(now I've got that song in my head)} which is why Trump demanded Obama's birth certificate be made public.  Like Nicole Kidman, two term President Obama is Hawaiian through and through.

(and by Hawaiian, I mean they were born there)

[STT]

Yes everybody thinks that because its the most obvious point to uphold but its not quite true.  USA has the largest widely distributed active duty army in the world, quite a few families will be abroad but they are still American citizens and the constitution to the best of my knowledge allows for this scenario and the children to serve when adults as the president.
  You didnt hear as much on this because Ted Cruz is republican and Obama is democrat, alot of news is spoken for effect with pr and all those games but Im quite sure these highly paid people all obtain better access to the law in place applicable to their party candidates.  They already know the answer to this down to a tee.

Ted Cruz is still relatively young, barely a senator for ten years.  I think he might run again but not this time imo especially though candidates may run to garner publicity and a future position in the administration.
 His father was again an immigrant and not a citizen at time of Ted's birth in Calgary Canada.  Ted Cruz even held a Canadian citizenship and possible passport had he applied for which he has now both rescinded.    Despite all that:

In a Harvard Law Review article, two former solicitor generals, Neal Katyal and Paul Clement, wrote: “Despite the happenstance of a birth across the border, there is no question that Senator Cruz has been a citizen from birth and is thus a ‘natural born Citizen’ within the meaning of the Constitution.”

But some have pointed out that the supreme court has never addressed the question of eligibility for those seeking the presidency as it pertains to citizenship. It was unlikely that the courts would even take up such a case, experts say, and it would be difficult for a citizen seeking to legally challenge a candidate’s qualifications to prove standing.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/12/where-was-ted-cruz-born-citizenship-presidential-debate

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I do not how much of it, but obviously it is more narcissism than any president of the United States is supposed to have, so they can direct their republic to a good future.

If you asked me, Trump with his peace-making speech is not only trying to appeal to people living in other countries or leaders of other nations, the way he uses this speech is order to try tk convince those who are not in favor of using tax money to fund wars, while at home there are people do cannot afford to pay for shelter and suffer in the winters, or those who cannot afford some medicine to take care of themselves.

It is a left wing speech, but twisted to bring people to vote for a man who obviously has nothing to do with left wing policies. It is a good strategy, and will stay as an strategy, since it is obvious Trump won't use that funding to pay for medicine, though.

I dislike Trump as much as the next guy and I think Biden is a much better president and on top of that I think they both should not be the president and someone younger and more fierce should get the job.

However, even I have to admit that Trump was the most anti-war president they had in a long time, everyone else constantly attacked everywhere, even the Nobel Peace prize winner Obama (how the hell did that happened is still beyond me) was bombing kids in Afghanistan while making his speech, that is the corruption of the world, Biden bombed places in the first 100 days of his presidency, he was quick to trigger as well.

Trump is a terrible human, I would not want to be in the same room as him, and he makes me want to vomit whenever he speaks, he is definitely evil to the core, but one good quality about him is that he doesn't want war, and he tries to make peace and that is a VERY important thing in our world, that would definitely be helpful at this moment.

[Hispo]

I do not how much of it, but obviously it is more narcissism than any president of the United States is supposed to have, so they can direct their republic to a good future.

If you asked me, Trump with his peace-making speech is not only trying to appeal to people living in other countries or leaders of other nations, the way he uses this speech is order to try tk convince those who are not in favor of using tax money to fund wars, while at home there are people do cannot afford to pay for shelter and suffer in the winters, or those who cannot afford some medicine to take care of themselves.

It is a left wing speech, but twisted to bring people to vote for a man who obviously has nothing to do with left wing policies. It is a good strategy, and will stay as an strategy, since it is obvious Trump won't use that funding to pay for medicine, though.

I dislike Trump as much as the next guy and I think Biden is a much better president and on top of that I think they both should not be the president and someone younger and more fierce should get the job.

However, even I have to admit that Trump was the most anti-war president they had in a long time, everyone else constantly attacked everywhere, even the Nobel Peace prize winner Obama (how the hell did that happened is still beyond me) was bombing kids in Afghanistan while making his speech, that is the corruption of the world, Biden bombed places in the first 100 days of his presidency, he was quick to trigger as well.

Trump is a terrible human, I would not want to be in the same room as him, and he makes me want to vomit whenever he speaks, he is definitely evil to the core, but one good quality about him is that he doesn't want war, and he tries to make peace and that is a VERY important thing in our world, that would definitely be helpful at this moment.

He tried to keep tensions as low as possible with foreign foes of the United States, yes. I believe the most representative moment of his pursue to aliviate tensions with them was when he personally visited the north Korea- south Korea border and Shaked hands with Kim.
Though, his administration was not free of violence or attacks, if I recall correctly he did not care to put an end to the nuclear deal USA had with Iran, and also he fact he was president when an Iranian General was murdered in their own motherland.

He certainly had bad relations with Iran and China. Recall the comercial war between Pekin and Washington? Or how he tried as hard as he could to cancel car factories in Mexico to bring them back to the United States?

Even if he managed to get into the White house again, how he could effectively end aggressions and at the same time not to compromise democracy in  Eastern Europe?

[TwitchySeal]

I do not how much of it, but obviously it is more narcissism than any president of the United States is supposed to have, so they can direct their republic to a good future.

If you asked me, Trump with his peace-making speech is not only trying to appeal to people living in other countries or leaders of other nations, the way he uses this speech is order to try tk convince those who are not in favor of using tax money to fund wars, while at home there are people do cannot afford to pay for shelter and suffer in the winters, or those who cannot afford some medicine to take care of themselves.

It is a left wing speech, but twisted to bring people to vote for a man who obviously has nothing to do with left wing policies. It is a good strategy, and will stay as an strategy, since it is obvious Trump won't use that funding to pay for medicine, though.

I dislike Trump as much as the next guy and I think Biden is a much better president and on top of that I think they both should not be the president and someone younger and more fierce should get the job.

However, even I have to admit that Trump was the most anti-war president they had in a long time, everyone else constantly attacked everywhere, even the Nobel Peace prize winner Obama (how the hell did that happened is still beyond me) was bombing kids in Afghanistan while making his speech, that is the corruption of the world, Biden bombed places in the first 100 days of his presidency, he was quick to trigger as well.

Trump is a terrible human, I would not want to be in the same room as him, and he makes me want to vomit whenever he speaks, he is definitely evil to the core, but one good quality about him is that he doesn't want war, and he tries to make peace and that is a VERY important thing in our world, that would definitely be helpful at this moment.

You must have forgotten when we were on the brink of war with Iran and Trump had to be talked down by generals early in his term.  Or when he was tweeting direct threats about how his "big red button" was so big to North Korea. 

He's also campaigned on attacking Mexico if elected.

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I do not how much of it, but obviously it is more narcissism than any president of the United States is supposed to have, so they can direct their republic to a good future.

If you asked me, Trump with his peace-making speech is not only trying to appeal to people living in other countries or leaders of other nations, the way he uses this speech is order to try tk convince those who are not in favor of using tax money to fund wars, while at home there are people do cannot afford to pay for shelter and suffer in the winters, or those who cannot afford some medicine to take care of themselves.

It is a left wing speech, but twisted to bring people to vote for a man who obviously has nothing to do with left wing policies. It is a good strategy, and will stay as an strategy, since it is obvious Trump won't use that funding to pay for medicine, though.

I dislike Trump as much as the next guy and I think Biden is a much better president and on top of that I think they both should not be the president and someone younger and more fierce should get the job.

However, even I have to admit that Trump was the most anti-war president they had in a long time, everyone else constantly attacked everywhere, even the Nobel Peace prize winner Obama (how the hell did that happened is still beyond me) was bombing kids in Afghanistan while making his speech, that is the corruption of the world, Biden bombed places in the first 100 days of his presidency, he was quick to trigger as well.

Trump is a terrible human, I would not want to be in the same room as him, and he makes me want to vomit whenever he speaks, he is definitely evil to the core, but one good quality about him is that he doesn't want war, and he tries to make peace and that is a VERY important thing in our world, that would definitely be helpful at this moment.

You must have forgotten when we were on the brink of war with Iran and Trump had to be talked down by generals early in his term.  Or when he was tweeting direct threats about how his "big red button" was so big to North Korea. 

He's also campaigned on attacking Mexico if elected.

Still capable of sending bullets. But it's always a wartime president that people like to vote. Joe Biden however is not that kind since the time he was seated, he hasn't really made sure he'd win a war. All he wants is to send taxpayers' funds elsewhere. Now that the Israel - Palestine war broke,  people have forgotten about Ukraine.

Biden no matter how much he wants to win a war this time, I think nothing will save his presidency for the 2nd term. He's been caught many times that his dementia is getting worse.

[Hispo]

 

He's also campaigned on attacking Mexico if elected.

The keyword in that political speech is "the cartels". My personal theory is that Trump and his political allies (MTG and Karri Lake, among others) have realizes they cannot longer use "the wall" as a vehicle to canalize the xenophobia into political power as Trump once did during his successful presidential run some years ago.
He did not accomplish his promise and it has wore off as strategy, so the solution is to go further, beyond the wall and talking about bombings inside México, without the approval of their southern neighbor.
In order for this speech to continue to be appealing enough he uses the drug crisis and the cartels as a new boogie man to rally his base, without raising (even more) serious debate in the ethical and legal problems of commiting those attacks on Mexican soil.

"Those are bad people we are attacking, bringing drugs and crime into our country". It is a pretty good moral cover, good enough for the misinformed.
Though, noone asks whether there are Americans citizens involved in the Fentanyl traffic, Trump implies there is none.

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/09/1191638114/fentanyl-smuggling-migrants-mexico-border-drugs

[TwitchySeal]

Still capable of sending bullets. But it's always a wartime president that people like to vote. Joe Biden however is not that kind since the time he was seated, he hasn't really made sure he'd win a war. All he wants is to send taxpayers' funds elsewhere.

Then how do you explain the infrastructure bill, or the chips act?  The main goal of the chips act is to build the chip manufacturing industry in America that would otherwise continue to exist in other countries.  And then there's the inflation reduction act, which basically does the same thing but for renewable energy.

And have you forgotten about all the crying you did when he sent taxpayer funds (not as much as Trump did, but pretty close) directly to taxpayers via the stimulus package?

All of this accounts for trillions of dollars, but less than 100 billion goes to fighting Russia and "All he wants is to send taxpayers' funds elsewhere."  Seems like Biden derangement syndrome is a real thing.

[Timelord2067]

With Desantas out of contention, the GOP race is now down to twice bankrupt Trump and 51 year old former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley.

Who are your Bitcoin bets on the be selected as the GOP's nominee?

And, Who emerge as the Democrats nominee?