Showdown: Trump Vs Haley. Bitcoin betting on the 2024 US Presidential Election

[FanEagle]

The plan was not forgive the whole debt of those students who acquired credit in order to attend college, it was rather a relief plan for many of them to be able to have part of their debt lifted off their shoulder, to incentivize their personal economy. Many of those students could have even more dozens of thousands of USD in debt.

Though, within the Republican party there are people who argue that forgiving debt that way is just making the tax payers to pay for the debts of others, which is very frown upon within the political right, as we all know.

As it stands, the supreme court is pretty much on the Republican side so before Biden can opt for a plan like that, he has to figure out a plan to circumvent them.

Supreme court has people who were appointed by republican presidents and senate so far, mainly at least, few democrats are left unfortunately. Secondly, Biden didn't tried to make the tax payers pay, it just wasn't going to get paid, this isn't some "lets all take the load" type of socialist agenda as they call it, that's healthcare, which 25 of the biggest 26 nations have, and USA is the only one that doesn't have it, moronic really.

No, this was more like there would be nobody paying anything, no taxpayers, no students, just nobody would pay it. That could be done, specially about the interests, just get the main amount paid back regularly, with no interest. Nobody gets hurt by this, it works wonderful for the economy at least.

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[bittraffic]

Debt student forgiven seem like a good idea to get votes. This will surely make the people go for Biden but I think he won't be needing this anymore since FEDnow is already live. Sooner, the stimi will do wonders for his win. Its gonna be a wide margin win. It only need on speech and rest of the presidential candidate will not be able to compete him.

It's intriguing how USA elections align with Bitcoin halving, but we mustn't allow ourselves to be swayed solely by election promises that often distract people during the campaign period.

A conspiracy theorist will probably come up sort of things because of this coincidental alignment. No it can not be coincident, there is no such thing. 

If Biden is allowed to win the election, some fear that the USA might not be distinct from certain developing nations. Concerns arise due to his age and health, which are seen as significant factors. While campaign promises are important, delivering on them could prove challenging. It is my hope that Democrats prioritize national interests and the well-being of countries reliant on the US, as well as the future of the nation itself, over mere politicking.

Even if Biden has proven not to be a flawless leader or even the best president the United States could have right now, during these multiple fronts of crises. I personally believe there is a silent majority which, even though, are not fully in favor of Biden, they see him as a person who is more reasonable and less dangerous than Trump.

That is the reason Biden is currently having better odds than Trump, though I must admit that I was expecting to see Trump to have less favorable odds, considering how further to the right he is leaning lately.

A wartime president is going to win all the time right?
There is the need to feed the military-industrial complex otherwise the whole country will fail. I think everyone gets that and for those guys who want the country to rise up again, it's definitely Biden even when the old man doesn't know how to stand up anymore. And Trump will not be one who will save US if he pulls out the troops and makes a peace deal in Ukraine-Russia. True for RFK as well.

[Hispo]

The plan was not forgive the whole debt of those students who acquired credit in order to attend college, it was rather a relief plan for many of them to be able to have part of their debt lifted off their shoulder, to incentivize their personal economy. Many of those students could have even more dozens of thousands of USD in debt.

Though, within the Republican party there are people who argue that forgiving debt that way is just making the tax payers to pay for the debts of others, which is very frown upon within the political right, as we all know.

As it stands, the supreme court is pretty much on the Republican side so before Biden can opt for a plan like that, he has to figure out a plan to circumvent them.

Supreme court has people who were appointed by republican presidents and senate so far, mainly at least, few democrats are left unfortunately. Secondly, Biden didn't tried to make the tax payers pay, it just wasn't going to get paid, this isn't some "lets all take the load" type of socialist agenda as they call it, that's healthcare, which 25 of the biggest 26 nations have, and USA is the only one that doesn't have it, moronic really.

No, this was more like there would be nobody paying anything, no taxpayers, no students, just nobody would pay it. That could be done, specially about the interests, just get the main amount paid back regularly, with no interest. Nobody gets hurt by this, it works wonderful for the economy at least.

Actually, there is a problem with no paying interest (in the eyes of those who are the owners of the debt).
During normal years the United States economy experiments an annual inflation of 2%, so naturally in order for lenders to have a profit their interest must be higher than 2% yearly.

And as we know the United States is going though inflationary times, with rates which are higher than the target of 2%, in consequence, cancelling the interest would also translate to a loss of money to big banks, granted, I am not defending big banks and corporations, though we also keep in mind small lenders which are part of the economy.

At the end of the day, the money has to come from somewhere and I am not sure the Federal reserve is willing to continue printing for the sake of students. 

[Betwrong]

^^^ More than one-third of the people are betting on Donald Trump, but that isn't reflected in the odds. The odds are still very attractive. If by any chance Trump gets elected as the president in 2024, then all these online casinos are going to suffer massive losses. Because out of every 100 bets, 34 bets are for Trump. And for every $100 placed on Trump, the gambler will receive $300 in case he becomes POTUS in 2024. So 34 bets would mean $10,200, which is more than the value of the revenue that the casinos will get from this particular bet (100 x $100 = $10,000).

Are you sure about the potential losses of sports betting platforms? What about the bets placed on other candidates? Shouldn't they be taken into account as well?

I think if you do take them into account, you'll see that everything will be fine for sports betting sites in any case. And it shouldn't be otherwise, in my opinion.

[nullama]

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Are you sure about the potential losses of sports betting platforms? What about the bets placed on other candidates? Shouldn't they be taken into account as well?

I think if you do take them into account, you'll see that everything will be fine for sports betting sites in any case. And it shouldn't be otherwise, in my opinion.

Yeah, that's a fair assumption.

I think overall the casinos make the money regardless of what happens, because even if they lose in one specific bet, they are still winning in general with other bets that are happening all the time.

We have a limited view of what the pipeline looks for them

[KTChampions]

^^^ More than one-third of the people are betting on Donald Trump, but that isn't reflected in the odds. The odds are still very attractive. If by any chance Trump gets elected as the president in 2024, then all these online casinos are going to suffer massive losses. Because out of every 100 bets, 34 bets are for Trump. And for every $100 placed on Trump, the gambler will receive $300 in case he becomes POTUS in 2024. So 34 bets would mean $10,200, which is more than the value of the revenue that the casinos will get from this particular bet (100 x $100 = $10,000).

Are you sure about the potential losses of sports betting platforms? What about the bets placed on other candidates? Shouldn't they be taken into account as well?

I think if you do take them into account, you'll see that everything will be fine for sports betting sites in any case. And it shouldn't be otherwise, in my opinion.

Yes, in fact, bookmakers are engaged in arbitration and they don’t care who wins - they still take their percentage. Moreover, they are even indifferent to the change in coefficients over time (when the underdog suddenly becomes a favorite), since the cash flow also changes along with it. At any given time, they arbitrage between those who bet on different candidates and have a guaranteed profit.

[püsür]

Am I seeing the latest odds right? Even today, are those the actual odds? Seems weird to me, I couldn't believe it. We can talk about politics for hours and even for days, that is just politics and there are millions of views. People will not just agree on those things. Nevertheless, I want to point out something. Biden was born in 1942, Trump was born in 1946. No matter what anyone thinks about these individuals, they are utterly too old. People should seriously just take a chill pill and relax after 75 years old. No good can out this, in my opinion. Anyway, for betting, I would not bet on Biden because of the world's economy. It is going bad everywhere. When things are this bad, usually the ballots show negative results for the current government. I personally will not bet on Biden definitely.

[Hispo]

Debt student forgiven seem like a good idea to get votes. This will surely make the people go for Biden but I think he won't be needing this anymore since FEDnow is already live. Sooner, the stimi will do wonders for his win. Its gonna be a wide margin win. It only need on speech and rest of the presidential candidate will not be able to compete him.

It's intriguing how USA elections align with Bitcoin halving, but we mustn't allow ourselves to be swayed solely by election promises that often distract people during the campaign period.

A conspiracy theorist will probably come up sort of things because of this coincidental alignment. No it can not be coincident, there is no such thing. 

If Biden is allowed to win the election, some fear that the USA might not be distinct from certain developing nations. Concerns arise due to his age and health, which are seen as significant factors. While campaign promises are important, delivering on them could prove challenging. It is my hope that Democrats prioritize national interests and the well-being of countries reliant on the US, as well as the future of the nation itself, over mere politicking.

Even if Biden has proven not to be a flawless leader or even the best president the United States could have right now, during these multiple fronts of crises. I personally believe there is a silent majority which, even though, are not fully in favor of Biden, they see him as a person who is more reasonable and less dangerous than Trump.

That is the reason Biden is currently having better odds than Trump, though I must admit that I was expecting to see Trump to have less favorable odds, considering how further to the right he is leaning lately.

A wartime president is going to win all the time right?
There is the need to feed the military-industrial complex otherwise the whole country will fail. I think everyone gets that and for those guys who want the country to rise up again, it's definitely Biden even when the old man doesn't know how to stand up anymore. And Trump will not be one who will save US if he pulls out the troops and makes a peace deal in Ukraine-Russia. True for RFK as well.

Trump is likely to give concessions to the Russian government in exchange for a peace deal, Those would consist of territory taken from Ukraine or even the lifting of the economical sanctions the Kremlin has had to deal with.

Trump makes clear when he talks about the war in Eastern Europe that he would try to stop it as soon as possible, but doing so is not possible without negotiations and Kiev is not willing to negotiate about what is an unjustified invasion in their eyes.

If Trump was clear about his war plan, his possibilities on the election would not be as favorable for those who are pro-ukraine.

[STT]

Biden spoke out against Israeli President and parliament moves to circumvent their Supreme court and its control over the countries laws.  Presumably that would imply he has no intention to attempt similar moves here when disagreeing with the Supreme court alterations or interpretations of the constitution.

At this point, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is polling somewhere between 15% to 20% of the democrat vote.

If that is correct, its way more then I expected or had heard of.  20% isnt enough sure but these are early days and thats way too strong to ignore as a threat to the perceived mainstream democrat plan likely penciled in for next year.   He can build from there massively, its just the start of a platform build to speak from and develop.  Or it may decline, Im not aware just surprised on a fairly large figure for what I thought was an outsider mostly.
  Trivia: RFK Jr. is the husband to on screen wife in the infamous TV series Curb Your Enthusiasm, co-starring Larry David.   Thought that was quite a funny tie in, also Larry David is a distant cousin to a prior democrat runner: Bernie Sanders  (Larry also mimicked him on SNL).    Too many coincidences is making me think -   Possibly maybe can I get a wild bet 1000 to 1 on Larry David please  

[Sithara007]

Trump is likely to give concessions to the Russian government in exchange for a peace deal, Those would consist of territory taken from Ukraine or even the lifting of the economical sanctions the Kremlin has had to deal with.

Trump makes clear when he talks about the war in Eastern Europe that he would try to stop it as soon as possible, but doing so is not possible without negotiations and Kiev is not willing to negotiate about what is an unjustified invasion in their eyes.

If Trump was clear about his war plan, his possibilities on the election would not be as favorable for those who are pro-ukraine.

Initially everyone was expecting that the war will come to an end within a few months time at the most. But that hasn't happened. Russia was able to sustain the war without any further rounds of mobilization, and without any support from their allies (perhaps with the exception of Iran), while Ukrainian regime has also vowed to go on until all the men in military age gets killed or captured. The big question is for how long the allies of Ukraine can sustain the war effort, given the difficult economic situation in their own nations.

[bbc.reporter]

Robert F. Kennedy Jr has outlined his plan to create a new public debt issuance that will be backed by bitcoin and precious metals. He also said that bitcoin trading will be exempted from capital tax gains under his administration. This will certainly create big headline news hehe.

It also appears that Bukele will also find a friendly American government towards El Salvador if papa Robert wins hehehehe. The both of them are bitcoiners.



“My plan would be to start very, very small, perhaps 1% of issued T-bills would be backed by hard currency, by gold, silver platinum or bitcoin,” Kennedy said, describing his vision for returning to a hard currency standard in the U.S.

In addition, Kennedy announced his administration “will exempt the conversion of bitcoin to the U.S. dollar from capital gains taxes.”

Source https://www.thestreet.com/cryptocurrency/rfk-jr-announces-plan-to-back-dollar-with-bitcoin-end-bitcoin-taxes

Just imagine what will happen to Bitcoin exchange rates if Kennedy wins somehow. Not only the prices will reclaim the peak that was attained in 2021, but there is a good possibility that we will reach six digits. When Trump was elected in 2016, a lot of people had high hopes on him. But he didn't do much in favor of cryptocurrency. Let's hope that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. will be different and will keep his promise in case he is elected. But then, the chances of Kennedy getting the Democrat nomination is close to zero.

Trump might have spoken against bitcoin and the cryptospace, however, his administration did not actively tried to crackdown against it. There might have been a few attacks, however, it was not similar to an aggressive campaign against crypto like under the Biden administration.

The next national convention of the Democrats will be on August 19 where they will nominate their candidate for the 2024 presidential election. According to the news, Biden is leading but Robert Kennedy should not be underestimated.

I was also looking for odds on the Democrats' nominees but I found something very funny on coinplay.com. Hunter Biden bets heheheheee!

https://coinplay.com/line/special-bets/1420985-special-bets/177700903-hunter-biden-special-bets

I do not promote coinplay.com, do give me red trust hehehe.

[tusandii]

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If Trump was clear about his war plan, his possibilities on the election would not be as favorable for those who are pro-ukraine.

That's true and a lot of news media is saying the same thing as you mentioned this.
But can Trump do it because Russia is the key there and of course Russia could actually be at odds with the US.
After all, so far no one has been able to stop the war unless one party declares to give in, but that's impossible.

I think what Trump will do can also affect his performance during the election and Trump could be harmed by the plans he made.

[Sithara007]

Trump might have spoken against bitcoin and the cryptospace, however, his administration did not actively tried to crackdown against it. There might have been a few attacks, however, it was not similar to an aggressive campaign against crypto like under the Biden administration.

The next national convention of the Democrats will be on August 19 where they will nominate their candidate for the 2024 presidential election. According to the news, Biden is leading but Robert Kennedy should not be underestimated.

I was also looking for odds on the Democrats' nominees but I found something very funny on coinplay.com. Hunter Biden bets heheheheee!

https://coinplay.com/line/special-bets/1420985-special-bets/177700903-hunter-biden-special-bets

I do not promote coinplay.com, do give me red trust hehehe.

LOL... I would love to see Hunter Biden as the POTUS in 2024. Jokes apart, I agree that Biden has proved to be more anti-Bitcoin when compared to Trump. BTW, I am not underestimating Kennedy. But there is only a very remote chance that he will get Democrat nomination. In case of Sanders in 2016, the far-left and youth were solidly behind him. We can't say the same about Kennedy. He is being tarnished as someone with far-right views. Such a person may find some acceptance with the GOP, but chances of survival within the Democrat Party is very slim.

[Hispo]

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If Trump was clear about his war plan, his possibilities on the election would not be as favorable for those who are pro-ukraine.

That's true and a lot of news media is saying the same thing as you mentioned this.
But can Trump do it because Russia is the key there and of course Russia could actually be at odds with the US.
After all, so far no one has been able to stop the war unless one party declares to give in, but that's impossible.

I think what Trump will do can also affect his performance during the election and Trump could be harmed by the plans he made.

He claims to have very good plans for many things, social security, public health care, economical ones and a plan to get peace between Russia and Ukraine. He has said those things on interviews in both electoral campaigns, however when the interviewer asks for details about it, he just says he cannot talk about it because doing so would spoil it and his political enemies would make it not to happen.

It is the classical Trump move there, I am curious some many people who support him have not realized how his basic strategies work yet.

[bittraffic]

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If Trump was clear about his war plan, his possibilities on the election would not be as favorable for those who are pro-ukraine.

That's true and a lot of news media is saying the same thing as you mentioned this.
But can Trump do it because Russia is the key there and of course Russia could actually be at odds with the US.
After all, so far no one has been able to stop the war unless one party declares to give in, but that's impossible.

I think what Trump will do can also affect his performance during the election and Trump could be harmed by the plans he made.

He claims to have very good plans for many things, social security, public health care, economical ones and a plan to get peace between Russia and Ukraine. He has said those things on interviews in both electoral campaigns, however when the interviewer asks for details about it, he just says he cannot talk about it because doing so would spoil it and his political enemies would make it not to happen.

It is the classical Trump move there, I am curious some many people who support him have not realized how his basic strategies work yet.

A plan to keep the peace is not going to make Trump look good. This war has bipartisan support, he will not be liked by those sitting officials. I think he best keep that plan in silence for now. But he may really be gaining a lot of voters as he appears to be well-liked by his audience from states he visited like Ohio.  

Robert Kennedy crazy as it may sound was already silenced in the hearing on censorship by his fellow dem. It's already an uphill battle for him in the presidency while his social media accounts are blocked.  

[TwitchySeal]

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If Trump was clear about his war plan, his possibilities on the election would not be as favorable for those who are pro-ukraine.

That's true and a lot of news media is saying the same thing as you mentioned this.
But can Trump do it because Russia is the key there and of course Russia could actually be at odds with the US.
After all, so far no one has been able to stop the war unless one party declares to give in, but that's impossible.

I think what Trump will do can also affect his performance during the election and Trump could be harmed by the plans he made.

He claims to have very good plans for many things, social security, public health care, economical ones and a plan to get peace between Russia and Ukraine. He has said those things on interviews in both electoral campaigns, however when the interviewer asks for details about it, he just says he cannot talk about it because doing so would spoil it and his political enemies would make it not to happen.

It is the classical Trump move there, I am curious some many people who support him have not realized how his basic strategies work yet.

A plan to keep the peace is not going to make Trump look good. This war has bipartisan support, he will not be liked by those sitting officials.

He doesn't really have a plan.  Duh.

And the options aren't "support the war" or "don't support the war".  You either help Ukraine defend itself or you allow Putin to get away with it like the west did with Hitler and Mussolini in the late 30s.

[Hispo]

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If Trump was clear about his war plan, his possibilities on the election would not be as favorable for those who are pro-ukraine.

That's true and a lot of news media is saying the same thing as you mentioned this.
But can Trump do it because Russia is the key there and of course Russia could actually be at odds with the US.
After all, so far no one has been able to stop the war unless one party declares to give in, but that's impossible.

I think what Trump will do can also affect his performance during the election and Trump could be harmed by the plans he made.

He claims to have very good plans for many things, social security, public health care, economical ones and a plan to get peace between Russia and Ukraine. He has said those things on interviews in both electoral campaigns, however when the interviewer asks for details about it, he just says he cannot talk about it because doing so would spoil it and his political enemies would make it not to happen.

It is the classical Trump move there, I am curious some many people who support him have not realized how his basic strategies work yet.

A plan to keep the peace is not going to make Trump look good. This war has bipartisan support, he will not be liked by those sitting officials.

He doesn't really have a plan.  Duh.

And the options aren't "support the war" or "don't support the war".  You either help Ukraine defend itself or you allow Putin to get away with it like the west did with Hitler and Mussolini in the late 30s.

To be honest, if we take a look at one of his lastest speeches, he explicitly says he would "expell the warmongers" out the chambers, of course he also tackled against Marxists, communists, and the deep-state.

Anyways, if he talks that way about alledged warmongers, then it would be safe to assume he wants to project himself as a peace keeper and a possible change of position of USA, from direct ally to diplomatic third party. It does not matter much whether the war is a bipartisan stand. He continues to hold much of the Republican base by his side.

He is a rather good populist.

[Sithara007]

He doesn't really have a plan.  Duh.

And the options aren't "support the war" or "don't support the war".  You either help Ukraine defend itself or you allow Putin to get away with it like the west did with Hitler and Mussolini in the late 30s.

Well.. this is the picture that the Western warmongers want to paint. There should be no war at this point, if Ukraine wasn't bombarding the rebel held cities non-stop for the last 9 years. There will be no war if the neo-Nazis in Kiev refrained from ethnic cleansing of Russian speakers in East Ukraine. And that is exactly the reason why most of us outside the Western world has taken a neutral, or even pro-Russian stance during this war. The next POTUS elections are one and half years away, and by then the war will come to an end.

[wiss19]

Why do people worry about Bidens health all that much, there are two things that matter, have you seen him make a decision that took the USA worse than what Trump would have done? This is important because the other candidate was Trump, and by looking at the past 3 years, would Trump been better in that case? I do not think so, I believe Biden did better and so far has better results if you ask me, doesn't mean nation is doing better, it just means he makes it less worse than Trump would have made.

Secondly, if something happens to him, who would be president. We all know that Kamala would, and in that case the question is this; would Kamala be worse than Trump? And I still think that she would not be worse than Trump, but I also think a toilet paper wouldn't be worse than Trump.

[Hispo]

Why do people worry about Bidens health all that much, there are two things that matter, have you seen him make a decision that took the USA worse than what Trump would have done? This is important because the other candidate was Trump, and by looking at the past 3 years, would Trump been better in that case? I do not think so, I believe Biden did better and so far has better results if you ask me, doesn't mean nation is doing better, it just means he makes it less worse than Trump would have made.

Secondly, if something happens to him, who would be president. We all know that Kamala would, and in that case the question is this; would Kamala be worse than Trump? And I still think that she would not be worse than Trump, but I also think a toilet paper wouldn't be worse than Trump.

The health of Biden has lately become a talking point because it is one of the apparent "weaknesses" he has. In previous decades, the health of a president could not be used for political advantage in an election, it was probably seen like something inappropriate, in a few years, the American society and political landscape have both turned being indicted, stealing documents, assaulting women and other things to be okey for a leading presidential candidate.

In the 1990-2000s all the stuff we are witnessing would have been considered to be an scandal.