Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[TwitchySeal]

Russia claims that it has documentary evidence. But the representatives of the United States, France and Great Britain in the UN Security Council refused to consider them and blocked the investigation. This is a very handy strategy for dealing with inconvenient facts - just declare them to be Putin's propaganda and pretend that the facts have ceased to exist after that.

What investigation was blocked and how do you know Russian evidence was ignored?  

The international atomic energy agency just completed their instigation and said Russia is full of shit.

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/iaea-inspectors-complete-in-field-verification-activities-at-three-ukraine-locations-no-indications-of-undeclared-nuclear-activities-and-materials


Or are you just doing that thing again here you make shit up and state it as fact, like here:

these drones are made in Russia

Iran says it shipped drones to Russia before Ukraine war
https://www.reuters.com/world/iran-acknowledges-drone-shipments-russia-before-ukraine-war-2022-11-05/

[paxmao]

Again false accusations, this time plagiarism.

This is a free interpretation of the definition in my presentation. Supported by a relevant fresh example.

Not an accusation, quite contrary. It doesn't match any known definition of "anglo-saxon" so I'm curious where you got it from. It is somewhat similar to how some white supremacists use it (white English-speaking population). But if you made it up - that's fine. Just don't expect anything more than a laugh at this nonsense.

In your opinion, about fifty US biological laboratories in Ukraine are nonsense?

No, it is not non-sense, it a lie. Unless you are talking about medical facilities and the like, in which case it is still most likely a lie. Not only there are no sources corroborating the official fake, it does not even pass the minimum sense-check of why would the US place bio-labs in a country that is under permanent threat from the Orc Army. If you wanted to setup a biological weapons lab, ignoring treaties and breaking international law, you would choose a desert in a country well away from the RF or even in Alaska or better in a remote small island. Certainly not in Ukraine.

If this is a lie, then why not investigate, study the evidence that Russia is ready to provide, and bring Russia to clean water? Why did the US, UK and France vote against this at the recent UN Security Council?

As usual, no sources. As usual no argument given as to why would the US put any military facility, particularly such a sensitive type in Ukraine. If the RF has evidence they do not need to ask for permission to present it. Why would they ask the UN to back an investigation? Simple propaganda, no wonder other countries are not going to play along.

Case closed, move on to your next fake, for example, "nothing happened in Bucha" or "Kherson is the RF".

[suchmoon]

How is that relevant to the absurd definition of "anglo-saxon"?

Why is it absurd if this definition correlates well with objective reality?

It's absurd because it doesn't match a dictionary definition of that word and you need to have a consensus on what words mean if you want to have a conversation with someone outside of your mirror.

If you make up a definition of word "shit" to mean "a sweet food made from sugar or chocolate", and start saying that you like to eat shit and that this is objective reality, it would still be laughable to everyone else.

[be.open]

Chinese representatives do not agree with you. China is still suffering greatly from its zero-tolerance covid policy, because covid has strangely proven to be more deadly for Asians than for other races. Perhaps this is because there was a leak from a biological laboratory in Wuhan, whose activities were also funded by the United States.

Oh no, Winnie doesn't agree with me, what will I do.

You do realize that Wuhan is not in Ukraine? Right? RIGHT? But it's ok if you don't. Here is your well deserved prize.

Yep. The United States has funded the activities of many biolaboratories around the world, including in Ukraine and Wuhan.

Russia claims that it has documentary evidence. But the representatives of the United States, France and Great Britain in the UN Security Council refused to consider them and blocked the investigation. This is a very handy strategy for dealing with inconvenient facts - just declare them to be Putin's propaganda and pretend that the facts have ceased to exist after that.

What investigation was blocked and how do you know Russian evidence was ignored?  

The international atomic energy agency just completed their instigation and said Russia is full of shit.

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/iaea-inspectors-complete-in-field-verification-activities-at-three-ukraine-locations-no-indications-of-undeclared-nuclear-activities-and-materials

An investigation into the activities of US biolaboratories in Ukraine was blocked.

Or are you just doing that thing again here you make shit up and state it as fact, like here:

these drones are made in Russia

Iran says it shipped drones to Russia before Ukraine war
https://www.reuters.com/world/iran-acknowledges-drone-shipments-russia-before-ukraine-war-2022-11-05/

Your ass burns notably from these drones. Iran admitted that it supplied several drones to Russia before the special operation. This was enough to organize the production of these drones in Russia, which was done.

As usual, no sources. As usual no argument given as to why would the US put any military facility, particularly such a sensitive type in Ukraine. If the RF has evidence they do not need to ask for permission to present it. Why would they ask the UN to back an investigation? Simple propaganda, no wonder other countries are not going to play along.

Case closed, move on to your next fake, for example, "nothing happened in Bucha" or "Kherson is the RF".

I talked about it here back in April, with links to evidence and sources! These links are still working, you can familiarize yourself with their contents.

How is that relevant to the absurd definition of "anglo-saxon"?

Why is it absurd if this definition correlates well with objective reality?

It's absurd because it doesn't match a dictionary definition of that word and you need to have a consensus on what words mean if you want to have a conversation with someone outside of your mirror.

If you make up a definition of word "shit" to mean "a sweet food made from sugar or chocolate", and start saying that you like to eat shit and that this is objective reality, it would still be laughable to everyone else.

Well, let's look at these definitions Anglo-Saxon:

used to describe modern societies that are based on or influenced by English customs

In other words - but the shit is the same.

[TwitchySeal]

Or are you just doing that thing again here you make shit up and state it as fact, like here:

these drones are made in Russia

Iran says it shipped drones to Russia before Ukraine war
https://www.reuters.com/world/iran-acknowledges-drone-shipments-russia-before-ukraine-war-2022-11-05/

Your ass burns notably from these drones. Iran admitted that it supplied several drones to Russia before the special operation. This was enough to organize the production of these drones in Russia, which was done.

It's one thing to repeat false claims that Russia has made.  You deserve the benefit of doubt, you can't blame an idiot for being so gullible.

But here you're just making shit up yourself, and that's truly pathetic. 

[be.open]

Or are you just doing that thing again here you make shit up and state it as fact, like here:

these drones are made in Russia

Iran says it shipped drones to Russia before Ukraine war
https://www.reuters.com/world/iran-acknowledges-drone-shipments-russia-before-ukraine-war-2022-11-05/

Your ass burns notably from these drones. Iran admitted that it supplied several drones to Russia before the special operation. This was enough to organize the production of these drones in Russia, which was done.

It's one thing to repeat false claims that Russia has made.  You deserve the benefit of doubt, you can't blame an idiot for being so gullible.

But here you're just making shit up yourself, and that's truly pathetic. 

I don't understand what psychological problems you have with Iran? I think the residents of Donetsk are unlikely to be tormented by the question of whose howitzer they are fired on every day - from American, Italian, French, Swedish or German. Yes, and Ukrainians do not think that they are very concerned that a cruise missile flew overhead - air, sea or land-based. But all of a sudden there is so much attention to the country where the flying lawn mowers are made. To console you somehow, I’ll say that this is definitely not an original Russian development - military acceptance in Russia would never have accepted such a miserable product as Geranium-2. I think this is a slightly modified and improved copy of the Iranian Shaheed-136, are you happy now?

[suchmoon]

I’ll say that this is definitely not an original Russian development - military acceptance in Russia would never have accepted such a miserable product as Geranium-2. I think this is a slightly modified and improved copy of the Iranian Shaheed-136, are you happy now?

Please enlighten us why the glorious Russian military has resorted to using such an inferior Iranian product, instead of their own vastly superior drones or missiles.

[TwitchySeal]

Or are you just doing that thing again here you make shit up and state it as fact, like here:

these drones are made in Russia

Iran says it shipped drones to Russia before Ukraine war
https://www.reuters.com/world/iran-acknowledges-drone-shipments-russia-before-ukraine-war-2022-11-05/

Your ass burns notably from these drones. Iran admitted that it supplied several drones to Russia before the special operation. This was enough to organize the production of these drones in Russia, which was done.

It's one thing to repeat false claims that Russia has made.  You deserve the benefit of doubt, you can't blame an idiot for being so gullible.

But here you're just making shit up yourself, and that's truly pathetic. 

I don't understand what psychological problems you have with Iran? I think the residents of Donetsk are unlikely to be tormented by the question of whose howitzer they are fired on every day - from American, Italian, French, Swedish or German. Yes, and Ukrainians do not think that they are very concerned that a cruise missile flew overhead - air, sea or land-based. But all of a sudden there is so much attention to the country where the flying lawn mowers are made. To console you somehow, I’ll say that this is definitely not an original Russian development - military acceptance in Russia would never have accepted such a miserable product as Geranium-2. I think this is a slightly modified and improved copy of the Iranian Shaheed-136, are you happy now?

You're doing it again.  Making shit up.

Russia has publicly admitted they suck at making drones.  It's taken Iran decades to get to the point they are at.  Russia would need a time machine to have the drone manufacturing capability equal to Iran.

Бoльшинcтвo пpoизвoдимыx в Poccии aвиaциoнныx бecпилoтникoв нe yдoвлeтвopяют тaктикo-тexничecким тpeбoвaниям Mиниcтepcтвa oбopoны PФ. Oб этoм зaявил вo втopник, 28 ceнтябpя, пpeдcтaвитeль Mинoбopoны PФ пoлкoвник Игopь Ищyк в xoдe кpyглoгo cтoлa «Пepcпeктивы paзвития тexнoлoгий бecпилoтныx тpaнcпopтныx cpeдcтв в PФ».

«Mинoбopoны paзpaбoтaны cooтвeтcтвyющиe тaктикo-тexничecкиe тpeбoвaния, пpeдъявляeмыe к бecпилoтным лeтaтeльным aппapaтaм. И бoльшинcтвo пpoизвoдитeлeй, к coжaлeнию, нe cпocoбны иx выпoлнить. И ocнoвнaя пpoблeмa нeвыпoлнeния — элeмeнтнaя бaзa», — cкaзaл Ищyк.

https://iz.ru/1402199/2022-09-28/mo-zaiavilo-o-nesootvetstvii-trebovaniiam-bolshinstva-rossiiskikh-dronov

Most of the aircraft drones produced in Russia do not meet the tactical and technical requirements of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. This was stated on Tuesday, September 28, by Colonel Igor Ischuk, a representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, during the round table "Prospects for the development of unmanned vehicle technologies in the Russian Federation."

“The Ministry of Defense has developed the appropriate tactical and technical requirements for unmanned aerial vehicles. And most manufacturers, unfortunately, are not able to fulfill them. And the main problem of non-fulfillment is the element base, ”Ishchuk said.

[paxmao]

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As usual, no sources. As usual no argument given as to why would the US put any military facility, particularly such a sensitive type in Ukraine. If the RF has evidence they do not need to ask for permission to present it. Why would they ask the UN to back an investigation? Simple propaganda, no wonder other countries are not going to play along.

Case closed, move on to your next fake, for example, "nothing happened in Bucha" or "Kherson is the RF".

I talked about it here back in April, with links to evidence and sources! These links are still working, you can familiarize yourself with their contents.
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From your own post:

angerous biological drugs on patients in the Kharkov psychiatric hospital for three years. Also, in laboratories in Ukraine, under the control of US scientists, the possibility of spreading cholera, typhoid and hepatitis through water was studied.

Drug testing is not illicit and usually "dangerous substances" called medicines are used. Studying cholera and the like is not illicit, clinical tests led by US, UK, Germany,... happen everyday across the world, particularly in Africa and Southeast Asia). You are basically accusing the US of conducting medical research.

Now, the documents uploaded are just official briefings that can be generated by the usual army of monkeys. Of course nobody is going to waste time following shit.

Now, would you like to talk about Bucha? Is that "Eastern Culture"?

 

[be.open]

I’ll say that this is definitely not an original Russian development - military acceptance in Russia would never have accepted such a miserable product as Geranium-2. I think this is a slightly modified and improved copy of the Iranian Shaheed-136, are you happy now?

Please enlighten us why the glorious Russian military has resorted to using such an inferior Iranian product, instead of their own vastly superior drones or missiles.

Russian military acceptance has very strict requirements. In particular, the product should work normally in a wide temperature range (I find it difficult to give exact figures, but let's say from minus 85 to plus 55 degrees Celsius - this range should cover the lowest temperature at the cold pole in Yakutia and the highest temperature in the desert in the southern borders of Russia), plus requirements at the place of production of all critical components of the product, plus high requirements for the overall reliability of the product. All this complicates the development of promising types of weapons and makes it very expensive. Iran has made a breakthrough in the development of kamikaze drones, which neither Russia, nor the United States, nor anyone else in the world has been able to make.

Russia has its own original kamikaze drones, such as Lancet-1, Lancet-3 and Cub-UAV, and they are actively used during the special operation. However, their payload does not exceed 3 kg of TNT, and the payload of cruise missiles is about 500 kg of TNT, and clones of Iranian drones Geran-1 and Geran-2 with a payload of about 50 kg of TNT fit very well between light loitering ammunition and cruise missiles to destroy stationary targets such as autotransformers at electrical substations.

Russia has publicly admitted they suck at making drones.  It's taken Iran decades to get to the point they are at.  Russia would need a time machine to have the drone manufacturing capability equal to Iran.

Бoльшинcтвo пpoизвoдимыx в Poccии aвиaциoнныx бecпилoтникoв нe yдoвлeтвopяют тaктикo-тexничecким тpeбoвaниям Mиниcтepcтвa oбopoны PФ. Oб этoм зaявил вo втopник, 28 ceнтябpя, пpeдcтaвитeль Mинoбopoны PФ пoлкoвник Игopь Ищyк в xoдe кpyглoгo cтoлa «Пepcпeктивы paзвития тexнoлoгий бecпилoтныx тpaнcпopтныx cpeдcтв в PФ».

«Mинoбopoны paзpaбoтaны cooтвeтcтвyющиe тaктикo-тexничecкиe тpeбoвaния, пpeдъявляeмыe к бecпилoтным лeтaтeльным aппapaтaм. И бoльшинcтвo пpoизвoдитeлeй, к coжaлeнию, нe cпocoбны иx выпoлнить. И ocнoвнaя пpoблeмa нeвыпoлнeния — элeмeнтнaя бaзa», — cкaзaл Ищyк.

https://iz.ru/1402199/2022-09-28/mo-zaiavilo-o-nesootvetstvii-trebovaniiam-bolshinstva-rossiiskikh-dronov

Most of the aircraft drones produced in Russia do not meet the tactical and technical requirements of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. This was stated on Tuesday, September 28, by Colonel Igor Ischuk, a representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, during the round table "Prospects for the development of unmanned vehicle technologies in the Russian Federation."

“The Ministry of Defense has developed the appropriate tactical and technical requirements for unmanned aerial vehicles. And most manufacturers, unfortunately, are not able to fulfill them. And the main problem of non-fulfillment is the element base, ”Ishchuk said.

As they say, generals are always preparing for the last war.

Now, would you like to talk about Bucha? Is that "Eastern Culture"?

Go fuck yourself, along with Bucha, Irpen, Kramatorsk and other Ukrainian provocations.

[TwitchySeal]

along with Bucha, Irpen, Kramatorsk and other Ukrainian provocations.

Yeah poor Russia, getting provoked by Ukraine military while they were simply trying to enjoy the sights of Bucha, forcing them to murder all those innocent civilians and leave their bodies in the street.  Crimea river. 

[be.open]

along with Bucha, Irpen, Kramatorsk and other Ukrainian provocations.

Yeah poor Russia, getting provoked by Ukraine military while they were simply trying to enjoy the sights of Bucha, forcing them to murder all those innocent civilians and leave their bodies in the street.  Crimea river. 

I am glad that the issue of kamikaze drones no longer bothers you.

[TwitchySeal]

along with Bucha, Irpen, Kramatorsk and other Ukrainian provocations.

Yeah poor Russia, getting provoked by Ukraine military while they were simply trying to enjoy the sights of Bucha, forcing them to murder all those innocent civilians and leave their bodies in the street.  Crimea river. 

I am glad that the issue of kamikaze drones no longer bothers you.

Ukrainians will be fighting Russian aggressors to death.

Well, that means they'll die.

Yes, Captain Obvious, aggressors will die. That's the whole point.

In Kyiv on May 9 2022, a traditional parade will be held in honor of the victory of the USSR over Nazi Germany. It is naive and foolish to doubt it.

[Branko]

I’ll say that this is definitely not an original Russian development - military acceptance in Russia would never have accepted such a miserable product as Geranium-2. I think this is a slightly modified and improved copy of the Iranian Shaheed-136, are you happy now?

Please enlighten us why the glorious Russian military has resorted to using such an inferior Iranian product, instead of their own vastly superior drones or missiles.

Because its cheaper, and still get a job done?

[TwitchySeal]

I’ll say that this is definitely not an original Russian development - military acceptance in Russia would never have accepted such a miserable product as Geranium-2. I think this is a slightly modified and improved copy of the Iranian Shaheed-136, are you happy now?

Please enlighten us why the glorious Russian military has resorted to using such an inferior Iranian product, instead of their own vastly superior drones or missiles.

Because its cheaper, and still get a job done?

It's because they aren't able to manufacture the drones themselves. 

[tvbcof]

I’ll say that this is definitely not an original Russian development - military acceptance in Russia would never have accepted such a miserable product as Geranium-2. I think this is a slightly modified and improved copy of the Iranian Shaheed-136, are you happy now?

Please enlighten us why the glorious Russian military has resorted to using such an inferior Iranian product, instead of their own vastly superior drones or missiles.

Because its cheaper, and still get a job done?

It's because they aren't able to manufacture the drones themselves. 

So, Russia can put objects into space at will, have hyper-sonic weapons, optionally nuclear tipped, which cannot be stopped by anyone, can dump as many artillery shells in a few weeks than all those used in WW-II or some such and seem to have not run out yet, etc...but they cannot manufacture a 50hp chainsaw engined flying corn-chip?

That you could actually believe such a thing explains a lot about why you are wrong about pretty much everything else on this earth.

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WRT the 'Iranian' drones, I've heard one story/idea that they started out as a soon abandoned Russian project under the general umbrella of the groups who 'owns' Kalashnikov.  They handed the project off to the Iranians a while ago, and they did significantly more R&D and got them pretty flyable.  Russia then bought them back and did some updates to the navigation systems.  They are reported (by Ukraine who got a few in tact) to be of a 'hand made' nature.  If this is the case, I would expect that yes, at least the early crop had at least air-frames and powerplants fabricated in Iran.  But, so what?

If it's the case that anyone who has the ability to build a car for weekend races can hammer one of these things together, and if the prints and 'open sourced', it could open up some world-wide possibilities.

That said, I suspect that the reason these things seem so effective is that they are so 'bad'.  The anti-aircraft systems designers didn't even think of a slow flying and 'thermally quiet' targets...because they were more focused on how many millions of $$$ they could bilk out of the American taxpayers instead.  But, with another few billion $$$ for R&D and a few years, Lockheed and friends probably could 'de-tune' some of their existing overpriced junk to be effective against flying lawn mowers as well.

Of course we are right back to spending $1,000,000 to get a shot at a $20,000 target.  In other words, right where the military/industrial complex wishes to be.

[paxmao]

Now, would you like to talk about Bucha? Is that "Eastern Culture"?

Go fuck yourself, along with Bucha, Irpen, Kramatorsk and other Ukrainian provocations.

Source please? Unless that goings against the ancestral uses of your Eastern tribe.

RE Iranian drones, I think that only concerns Iran, as it will build up on the list of accusations that the US has against the regime. The only conclusion I could draw of the RF using IKEA drones - actually some IKEA furniture has more know-how than those drones i- is that the all glorious and mighty Orc Army and their enlightened Chief Psychos are really running out of ideas, chips and any weapons built after the 80's.

Recently UK intelligence estimates 278 RF aircraft losses, nearly 76,000 RF soldiers killed for nothing, while Putin claims that 80,000 more are in the occupied areas - most of these are the slave army, not true professional soldiers. Also, it estimated that only 5% are from Moscow / St Petersburg, most of the cannon fodder comes from the poorer areas of the RF.

[be.open]

Now, would you like to talk about Bucha? Is that "Eastern Culture"?

Go fuck yourself, along with Bucha, Irpen, Kramatorsk and other Ukrainian provocations.

Source please? Unless that goings against the ancestral uses of your Eastern tribe.

Ei incumbit probacio, qui dicit.

Some of the victims in Bucha died from artillery shelling from the Ukrainian side, and the other part was executed by the Nazis of the Boatswain during a raid to identify collaborators, and then a staged recording was made on professional film equipment. In Kramatorsk, civilians were shelled with a Ukrainian point-y missile. Are you too lazy to chew that gum again?

[TwitchySeal]

Now, would you like to talk about Bucha? Is that "Eastern Culture"?

Go fuck yourself, along with Bucha, Irpen, Kramatorsk and other Ukrainian provocations.

Source please? Unless that goings against the ancestral uses of your Eastern tribe.

Ei incumbit probacio, qui dicit.

Some of the victims in Bucha died from artillery shelling from the Ukrainian side, and the other part was executed by the Nazis of the Boatswain during a raid to identify collaborators, and then a staged recording was made on professional film equipment. In Kramatorsk, civilians were shelled with a Ukrainian point-y missile. Are you too lazy to chew that gum again?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/28/world/europe/russian-soldiers-phone-calls-ukraine.html

[Branko]

I find it strange that Sergey is talking to his mother in English language.
If I'd have to guess, my best guess would be that Sergey sits in some SBU office, and not in forest