Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[Branko]

According to Merkel, Putin could easily have overrun Ukraine in early 2015. "And I very much doubt that the NATO countries could have done as much back then as they do today to help Ukraine."

Putin was fooled, war was planned since forever...USA didn't plan to honor any agreements since dissolve of USSR

Poor Putin, feeble foolish dictator, always doing what evil NATO tells him to do, and failing miserably.

Or perhaps you're making shit up again.

Not me, but Angela Merkel

[TwitchySeal]

One of the major reasons for the war is the fact that the US has bio-warfare labs in Ukraine...

No, it's because Putin invaded Ukraine.  US doesn't have any bio-warfare labs in Ukraine. 

[yazher]

One of the major reasons for the war is the fact that the US has bio-warfare labs in Ukraine... labs that are doing bio-research. What bio-research? Let's watch the video at the site and see if we can figure it out. After all, we wouldn't want Russia to stop our bio-lab research, now would we! And heaven forbid that it would fall into Russian hands. After all, we couldn't have found a safer spot, far away from Russia, for this kind of research, now could we?

Looks like it's real and they aren't playing around when it comes to that kind of huge amount of money involved in this operation. I never thought in my life that I see such news where they are actually having the forbidden experiment for their own advantage and let's just hope that they are not fully ready yet to be executed because we are really doomed if that's gonna happen. Damn! man, I really hate being chased by Zombies. That's why they have been using their resources to help Ukraine

Though I'm not really a hundred percent sure about this it makes sense that they won't spend that much for medical reasons rather it's for something more important I guess.

[BADecker]

One of the major reasons for the war is the fact that the US has bio-warfare labs in Ukraine...

No, it's because Putin invaded Ukraine.  US doesn't have any bio-warfare labs in Ukraine. 

So, you think that your reason is the only reason, right? My point was the US bio-labs in Ukraine... labs that they don't want taken over by russia. All you have to do is search on it to find out where some of them are located. Try https://duckduckgo.com/?q=location+of+the+US+bio-labs+in+Ukraine&t=ffab&ia=web.

[be.open]

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/absolut-unerwartet-putin-zeigt-sich-enttauscht-von-merkel-wegen-ausserungen-zur-ukraine-9006844.html

In the interview published on Thursday, Merkel literally said: "And the 2014 Minsk Agreement was an attempt to give Ukraine time. She also used this time to get stronger, as you can see today.”

According to Merkel, Putin could easily have overrun Ukraine in early 2015. "And I very much doubt that the NATO countries could have done as much back then as they do today to help Ukraine."


Putin was fooled, war was planned since forever...USA didn't plan to honor any agreements since dissolve of USSR

Many in Russia are of the opinion (including myself) that the special operation to liberate Donbas should have started eight years earlier. But in fairness, I note that not only Ukraine used this time to strengthen its combat capability, but also Russia - to diversify and minimize the risks associated with Western sanctions. Russia's disconnection from SWIFT, Visa and Mastercard in 2014 would have been a disaster for the financial sector, and in 2022 it went almost painlessly. From a food importer in eight years, Russia has become a major exporter. Therefore, I am not inclined to dramatize about the hypocrisy and duplicity of Merkel, in this world everything happens only on time.

[BADecker]

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/absolut-unerwartet-putin-zeigt-sich-enttauscht-von-merkel-wegen-ausserungen-zur-ukraine-9006844.html

In the interview published on Thursday, Merkel literally said: "And the 2014 Minsk Agreement was an attempt to give Ukraine time. She also used this time to get stronger, as you can see today.”

According to Merkel, Putin could easily have overrun Ukraine in early 2015. "And I very much doubt that the NATO countries could have done as much back then as they do today to help Ukraine."


Putin was fooled, war was planned since forever...USA didn't plan to honor any agreements since dissolve of USSR

Many in Russia are of the opinion (including myself) that the special operation to liberate Donbas should have started eight years earlier. But in fairness, I note that not only Ukraine used this time to strengthen its combat capability, but also Russia - to diversify and minimize the risks associated with Western sanctions. Russia's disconnection from SWIFT, Visa and Mastercard in 2014 would have been a disaster for the financial sector, and in 2022 it went almost painlessly. From a food importer in eight years, Russia has become a major exporter. Therefore, I am not inclined to dramatize about the hypocrisy and duplicity of Merkel, in this world everything happens only on time.

Perhaps it should have started 8 years earlier. But Putin was trying - and still is - to out-trade the US. And he is doing it, too... considering the countries that are wanting to join BRICS.

[paxmao]

One of the major reasons for the war is the fact that the US has bio-warfare labs in Ukraine...

No, it's because Putin invaded Ukraine.  US doesn't have any bio-warfare labs in Ukraine.  

The thought is ridiculous. Setting up facilities that can be perfectly fine in the middle of the Nevada desert or in some stupid lost island in a country that is right by the door of an aggressive military local power is just so stupid that only the feeblest minds can fall for it. I am sure there are plenty of labs in Ukraine, there are certainly hundreds in a 100 mile radius of where I am right now. Calling something "bio-lab" is playing with words, like if anything that start with "bio" is something to be afraid of. So silly.

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/absolut-unerwartet-putin-zeigt-sich-enttauscht-von-merkel-wegen-ausserungen-zur-ukraine-9006844.html

In the interview published on Thursday, Merkel literally said: "And the 2014 Minsk Agreement was an attempt to give Ukraine time. She also used this time to get stronger, as you can see today.”

According to Merkel, Putin could easily have overrun Ukraine in early 2015. "And I very much doubt that the NATO countries could have done as much back then as they do today to help Ukraine."


Putin was fooled, war was planned since forever...USA didn't plan to honor any agreements since dissolve of USSR

Many in Russia are of the opinion (including myself) that the special operation to liberate Donbas should have started eight years earlier. But in fairness, I note that not only Ukraine used this time to strengthen its combat capability, but also Russia - to diversify and minimize the risks associated with Western sanctions. Russia's disconnection from SWIFT, Visa and Mastercard in 2014 would have been a disaster for the financial sector, and in 2022 it went almost painlessly. From a food importer in eight years, Russia has become a major exporter. Therefore, I am not inclined to dramatize about the hypocrisy and duplicity of Merkel, in this world everything happens only on time.

Perhaps it should have started 8 years earlier. But Putin was trying - and still is - to out-trade the US. And he is doing it, too... considering the countries that are wanting to join BRICS.

The US has gained the animosity of many. Most of them irrelevant in the world order, but Saudi Arabia and part of Latin America have made a point of playing either neutral or against US. They do not seem to fear the repercussions, right or wrong? Time will tell.

[Branko]

The US has gained the animosity of many. Most of them irrelevant in the world order, but Saudi Arabia and part of Latin America have made a point of playing either neutral or against US. They do not seem to fear the repercussions, right or wrong? Time will tell.

This guy thinks US is a rogue state

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/09/us-world-climate-collapse-nations

[BADecker]

The US has gained the animosity of many. Most of them irrelevant in the world order, but Saudi Arabia and part of Latin America have made a point of playing either neutral or against US. They do not seem to fear the repercussions, right or wrong? Time will tell.

This guy thinks US is a rogue state

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/09/us-world-climate-collapse-nations

The US is a puppet of their banking system, which is attempting to rule the world.

Hitler was bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, etc. But he was right on about the banking system, which was and is worse, worse, worse, worse, worse, etc.

The banking system will fail, but there will be troubled times coming for the people, as well.

A few countries are resisting the banking system, Russia being the most prominent of them, along with BRICS.

[o48o]

So, you think that your reason is the only reason, right? My point was the US bio-labs in Ukraine... labs that they don't want taken over by russia. All you have to do is search on it to find out where some of them are located. Try https://duckduckgo.com/?q=location+of+the+US+bio-labs+in+Ukraine&t=ffab&ia=web.

This reasoning doesn't make any sense when you look any closer.

If (and they don't) US had their precious bio-labs in ukraine then that would be the reason for defending it?

Then don't you think that destroying those labs would come way cheaper then funding a bloody WAR for a year. Do you know how much building a new factories full of labs costs versus a WAR? Do you know what one missile costs? You might not realize that only thing they would need to preserve from those supposed labs is data to build them in anywhere else.

I can't believe i have to say this out loud but this biolab excuse is just total nonsense.

[BADecker]

So, you think that your reason is the only reason, right? My point was the US bio-labs in Ukraine... labs that they don't want taken over by russia. All you have to do is search on it to find out where some of them are located. Try https://duckduckgo.com/?q=location+of+the+US+bio-labs+in+Ukraine&t=ffab&ia=web.

This reasoning doesn't make any sense when you look any closer.

If (and they don't) US had their precious bio-labs in ukraine then that would be the reason for defending it?

Then don't you think that destroying those labs would come way cheaper then funding a bloody WAR for a year. Do you know how much building a new factories full of labs costs versus a WAR? Do you know what one missile costs? You might not realize that only thing they would need to preserve from those supposed labs is data to build them in anywhere else.

I can't believe i have to say this out loud but this biolab excuse is just total nonsense.

The thing that you don't see is that it is a money laundering machine at the same time that there are bio-labs. Since Biden's son was involved, it means more money for the Bidens and the Dems (and Reps) they work with.

As for funding the war, the money is created for Ukraine by loans (money creations) to the US. Taxpayers only support the payments on the loans. As the money filters into the Ukraine economy, it is filtered into the US economy... and around the world because many countries can trade their currency for USD through the Forex. It's the reason we have world inflation right now. HOWEVER, it has to be done slowly enough, and in just the right way, or the system will collapse in on itself.

So, the labs are only a small part, but they are a part. The whole idea is for the families that own the banking system to be able to own the world. Russia is resisting, as are a few other countries... BRICS.

[LTU_btc]

This reasoning doesn't make any sense when you look any closer.

If (and they don't) US had their precious bio-labs in ukraine then that would be the reason for defending it?

Then don't you think that destroying those labs would come way cheaper then funding a bloody WAR for a year. Do you know how much building a new factories full of labs costs versus a WAR? Do you know what one missile costs? You might not realize that only thing they would need to preserve from those supposed labs is data to build them in anywhere else.

I can't believe i have to say this out loud but this biolab excuse is just total nonsense.

You're trying to find logic in his posts? Give up, mate, it's pointless thing.

Many in Russia are of the opinion (including myself) that the special operation to liberate Donbas should have started eight years earlier. But in fairness, I note that not only Ukraine used this time to strengthen its combat capability, but also Russia - to diversify and minimize the risks associated with Western sanctions. Russia's disconnection from SWIFT, Visa and Mastercard in 2014 would have been a disaster for the financial sector, and in 2022 it went almost painlessly. From a food importer in eight years, Russia has become a major exporter. Therefore, I am not inclined to dramatize about the hypocrisy and duplicity of Merkel, in this world everything happens only on time.

Oh, guess who is back. We haven't seen you for a while, probably since shameful retreat of Russians from Kherson. It was a bit boring without you, it would be interesting to read your insights about it.
Sanctions went almost painlessly? It's same like "special operation" goes as planned.

[suchmoon]

Oh, guess who is back.

Speaking of disappearances, did we ever get Veleor's take on the "negative offensive" around Kherson or the 100 HIMARSes destroyed by Konashenkov? I don't recall. Veleor usually brings the full digest of Russian propaganda, much better than be.open's lazy channel 1 parrot act.

[LTU_btc]

Speaking of disappearances, did we ever get Veleor's take on the "negative offensive" around Kherson or the 100 HIMARSes destroyed by Konashenkov? I don't recall. Veleor usually brings the full digest of Russian propaganda, much better than be.open's lazy channel 1 parrot act.

I'm sure that sooner or later he will come back here again, dropping another wall of text full of Russian propaganda with links to ''very credible sources'', like RT or Konashnenkov. But when someone debunks his fakes, he usually don't bother to reply.

[TwitchySeal]

One of the major reasons for the war is the fact that the US has bio-warfare labs in Ukraine...

No, it's because Putin invaded Ukraine.  US doesn't have any bio-warfare labs in Ukraine. 

So, you think that your reason is the only reason, right? My point was the US bio-labs in Ukraine... labs that they don't want taken over by russia. All you have to do is search on it to find out where some of them are located. Try https://duckduckgo.com/?q=location+of+the+US+bio-labs+in+Ukraine&t=ffab&ia=web.

Of course there are bio labs in Ukraine. There are bio labs all over the world in pretty much every country. I was at one a few weeks ago to get blood work done for my annual physical.

You do understand that not all bio labs are biological warfare labs, right?

[o48o]

You're trying to find logic in his posts? Give up, mate, it's pointless thing.

I still think it's important for deranged people to hear sense, not to let them live on their bubble not being able to mirror themself against the world. I know there are professionals that get paid to listen to them but i find it my duty to help. Also when they are paid russian trolls, we are maybe not getting paid enough to talk with them, but letting them normalize lies is just something i will fight back, at least on the days i happen to have more energy to do that.

But yeah, obviously what he is saying is nonsensical. Even that reply to me now

[BADecker]

One of the major reasons for the war is the fact that the US has bio-warfare labs in Ukraine...

No, it's because Putin invaded Ukraine.  US doesn't have any bio-warfare labs in Ukraine. 

So, you think that your reason is the only reason, right? My point was the US bio-labs in Ukraine... labs that they don't want taken over by russia. All you have to do is search on it to find out where some of them are located. Try https://duckduckgo.com/?q=location+of+the+US+bio-labs+in+Ukraine&t=ffab&ia=web.

Of course there are bio labs in Ukraine. There are bio labs all over the world in pretty much every country. I was at one a few weeks ago to get blood work done for my annual physical.

You do understand that not all bio labs are biological warfare labs, right?

You do understand that biological warfare labs was what I was talking about all along. But, as your way is, you simply like playing games.

[Veleor]

I'm sure that sooner or later he will come back here again, dropping 1)another wall of text full of Russian propaganda with links to ''very credible sources'', 2)like RT or Konashnenkov. But when someone 3)debunks his fakes, he usually don't bother to reply.

1. Regarding the "wall of text", I'm thinking about formatting it in the form of comics, so that it would be easier for the famous analysts here to perceive information.
This is a joke, who didn’t understand, because after the events with the blown up gas pipelines, it seems that the most wonder guys gathered here, who really believe that Russian troops are shelling themselves in Donetsk, Luhansk, at the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant and exploding their own pipelines.

2. I don't remember that I was quoting the RT site. Can you provide at least one link to confirm that you are not trying to manipulate facts?
But even if I quoted this site, their activities cannot be compared with the well-known British sites, which a month ago lied recklessly that Russia attacked Poland and killed two tractor drivers. These unscrupulous swindlers could become the perpetrators of the third world war. These (owners and editors of British newspapers) are real criminals and the most shameless creatures.

Further, when I quoted Konashenkov, it was in relation to the number of Turkish bayraktars shot down, as far as I remember. And then some local users, like you and Suchmoon, tried to prove that they were delivered to Ukraine much less than they were shot down in the reports of the Russian army. The situation regarding bayraktars is reflected in this post.

3. Regarding the "debunked fakes" give me links to your revelations. I hope this will not be the same slag that you reposted from Medusa, who posts information without checking it.

[BADecker]

^^^ In all major forums there are trolls like the two you mentioned. They simply continue with their trolling even though they are blasted out of the water by the truth. It's like they think that talk is what makes reality. Well, they only hurt themselves that way.

What I like about Bitcointalk is that it is written almost entirely in PHP, a programming language that makes it extremely fast. This way we can get what we want to say posted without having to wait for all kinds of Internet irregularities.

[LTU_btc]

1. Regarding the "wall of text", I'm thinking about formatting it in the form of comics, so that it would be easier for the famous analysts here to perceive information.
This is a joke, who didn’t understand, because after the events with the blown up gas pipelines, it seems that the most wonder guys gathered here, who really believe that Russian troops are shelling themselves in Donetsk, Luhansk, at the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant and exploding their own pipelines.

2. I don't remember that I was quoting the RT site. Can you provide at least one link to confirm that you are not trying to manipulate facts?
But even if I quoted this site, their activities cannot be compared with the well-known British sites, which a month ago lied recklessly that Russia attacked Poland and killed two tractor drivers. These unscrupulous swindlers could become the perpetrators of the third world war. These (owners and editors of British newspapers) are real criminals and the most shameless creatures.

Further, when I quoted Konashenkov, it was in relation to the number of Turkish bayraktars shot down, as far as I remember. And then some local users, like you and Suchmoon, tried to prove that they were delivered to Ukraine much less than they were shot down in the reports of the Russian army. The situation regarding bayraktars is reflected in this post.

3. Regarding the "debunked fakes" give me links to your revelations. I hope this will not be the same slag that you reposted from Medusa, who posts information without checking it.

Russians is definitely shelling themselves, sometimes just for nice image. Look at this video for example:
https://t.me/HersonVestnik/12073
It's Lancet drone attack against S-300 system. The problem is that this system belongs to Russia. Just look at Z symbol on it.
Now I won't go through history of your posts and won't check every link that you posted. I named RT and Konashenkov more to summarize what kind of content you're posting and consider it as credible source. I remember someone posting links to RT, maybe it wasn't you. But you post links to Russian Z telegram channels, what isn't better source at all.
British newspapers could become perpetrators of third world war? I think you overestimate power of them..
BTW, soon after this accident happened, I remember that Russian propagandist Simonyan posted on her Telegram that now Polish people will know how people of Belgorod in border feels living in constant shelling from Ukraine. I'm not sure does this post still exist or no but even russian propagandists were thinking that it was Russian missile.
Your lies were debunked multiple times already, but offcourse you will call it fakes because it comes from Western or Ukrainian sources and it doesn't fits Russian narrative.