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April 26, 2023, 09:02:50 AM
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With a good source of information I'm sure AI will beat them but in terms of emotions things that only human experts can play and weight the possibilities, there's something that still needed to consider unforeseen cases that might affect how AI will decide with their recommendations, the good thing here is you can use AI recommendation or you can go to the other-side.

Something that you'll going to be against the favorite, which is most of the time I believe that AI will provide after sorting all the available information around.

Expecting that with all available information provided AI will always be right in its predictions is not wise. We shouldn't rule out the possibility of a team winning against all the odds. The question is, will AI predictions be more cumulatively more accurate than those of the human experts? I think, we are less than a year from the time when AI will beat humans in this regard.

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April 26, 2023, 01:41:03 PM
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With a good source of information I'm sure AI will beat them but in terms of emotions things that only human experts can play and weight the possibilities, there's something that still needed to consider unforeseen cases that might affect how AI will decide with their recommendations, the good thing here is you can use AI recommendation or you can go to the other-side.

Something that you'll going to be against the favorite, which is most of the time I believe that AI will provide after sorting all the available information around.

Expecting that with all available information provided AI will always be right in its predictions is not wise. We shouldn't rule out the possibility of a team winning against all the odds. The question is, will AI predictions be more cumulatively more accurate than those of the human experts? I think, we are less than a year from the time when AI will beat humans in this regard.

Relying only on AI predictions may not be a wise decision since there may be unforeseen circumstances that could affect the outcome of bets.
Though the advantage of AI is that it can always analyze a vast amount of data and provide recommendations based on statistics.

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April 26, 2023, 02:07:44 PM
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Expecting that with all available information provided AI will always be right in its predictions is not wise. We shouldn't rule out the possibility of a team winning against all the odds. The question is, will AI predictions be more cumulatively more accurate than those of the human experts? I think, we are less than a year from the time when AI will beat humans in this regard.
My assumption is saying if AI will give future prediction based on the past statistic, although it's true a team which have a good record tend to win, but we have seen so many top team get beaten by mediocre team and a team which become champion for multiple times will not always make them become a champion in the next season.

Although I had saw so many thread or article saying you shouldn't involve emotion in gambling, but now the difference of human and AI is the emotion Cheesy

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April 26, 2023, 03:18:57 PM
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With a good source of information I'm sure AI will beat them but in terms of emotions things that only human experts can play and weight the possibilities, there's something that still needed to consider unforeseen cases that might affect how AI will decide with their recommendations, the good thing here is you can use AI recommendation or you can go to the other-side.

Something that you'll going to be against the favorite, which is most of the time I believe that AI will provide after sorting all the available information around.

Expecting that with all available information provided AI will always be right in its predictions is not wise. We shouldn't rule out the possibility of a team winning against all the odds. The question is, will AI predictions be more cumulatively more accurate than those of the human experts? I think, we are less than a year from the time when AI will beat humans in this regard.
But before AI can provide recommendations, we must check the accuracy of the information provided by AI, especially considering that AI still needs to be developed even better in the current situation.
I wouldn't put too much hope in AI until it could show me possibly more accurate information than I could find.
We can't still depend on AI for now. Moreover, we have seen how AI answers something we ask, so we should stick to what we have done before in betting on sports betting.
By continuing to use the methods that we are used to, maybe the chance of victory that we can hope for will also be greater, but we can also keep an eye on AI projects in the gambling sector so that we can know their progress.

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April 26, 2023, 11:29:50 PM
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My assumption is saying if AI will give future prediction based on the past statistic, although it's true a team which have a good record tend to win, but we have seen so many top team get beaten by mediocre team and a team which become champion for multiple times will not always make them become a champion in the next season.

Although I had saw so many thread or article saying you shouldn't involve emotion in gambling, but now the difference of human and AI is the emotion Cheesy

Well, sure, but those events are less probable to happen.

For example, if you throw a dice three times you probably won't see a 6 three times in a row, but it can still happen. And it will happen eventually. Just that it's not as common as seeing other combinations.

The same happens with sports betting as well.
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April 27, 2023, 01:26:27 AM
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Of course, obviously things with AI are like this, the data collected will never be the good option to decipher what can happen, also there are many things that influence sports games, who are the ones that motivate players to play like this, what It caught my attention, it was in the World Cup in Qatar where an AI predicted that the final would be between Portugal and Argentina, it was something really chilling because the one who won the mjudnial was Argentina, although the AI was wrong for the contender from Argentina, but It seems to me that it was just a coincidence, I know that the AI quickly pulls the statistics and that is a very good functionality.


There were also some other predictions that said that France and Brazil would be in the final.

At the end of the day, given enough predictions, one of them will be right. So always keep that in mind. People tend to ignore the failed predictions and focus on the ones that actually happened.

Yes indeed, I cannot deny that the final that the AI predicted would be between Argentina and Portugal caught my attention, because at once I imagined Messi vs CR7, and that was something phenomenal, I really would have liked it much more than France would have reached the Final, and I also did not like that Deschamps did not include Benzema and I think that was a great warning of having lost that final, this is one of the things that happens when the technical director has not been able to mature the differences with his players, you can't send the weakest to war, you must send the strongest to win it, but Deschamps couldn't see that, and that's what the AI failed to predict, that's why I say to this the AI needs a lot of development.

Even how much it would be developed, there's still no way that it could really be able to make precise predictions due to factors which cant really be read up with any AI no matter how advanced it would be.
There are things which cant really be touched up by technology advancement not matter how good it is on other aspects but in speaking about future results and other correlated things
then it would be an another story.It is really just we should accept that AI couldnt touch up betting area or something that do talks about predictions and future events
which are bound to happen.

Indeed it is so, but we cannot deny that these AIs are going to improve so much that they are going to make Better and better conjectures, they can draw Conclusions faster, they will have fresh information on many statistics and you will have the Information of all the events right there, as well as how can compete against that? a human being can't even do it because he's a Genius,then every time this will get better, of course, they're starting up now,but for what is Expected and if it joins quantum computing, it will be a possible era of "" machines"", and you have to be very careful,man can be so amazed by technology that he can be the object of its own destruction.

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You can also always ask roundabout questions to the AI, and make up your own mind about who's going to win an event.

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yep that's true. although we can rely on AI to ask for some of the information we need, it would be better if we prefer to make our own decisions rather than having to make decisions based on the results displayed by AI.
making decisions alone can also avoid something that can happen like a surprise at sports betting and we can have other plans to cover those losses. so taking things into your own hands and asking AI for help is very wise.

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With a good source of information I'm sure AI will beat them but in terms of emotions things that only human experts can play and weight the possibilities, there's something that still needed to consider unforeseen cases that might affect how AI will decide with their recommendations, the good thing here is you can use AI recommendation or you can go to the other-side.

Something that you'll going to be against the favorite, which is most of the time I believe that AI will provide after sorting all the available information around.

Expecting that with all available information provided AI will always be right in its predictions is not wise. We shouldn't rule out the possibility of a team winning against all the odds. The question is, will AI predictions be more cumulatively more accurate than those of the human experts? I think, we are less than a year from the time when AI will beat humans in this regard.
But before AI can provide recommendations, we must check the accuracy of the information provided by AI, especially considering that AI still needs to be developed even better in the current situation.
I wouldn't put too much hope in AI until it could show me possibly more accurate information than I could find.
We can't still depend on AI for now. Moreover, we have seen how AI answers something we ask, so we should stick to what we have done before in betting on sports betting.
By continuing to use the methods that we are used to, maybe the chance of victory that we can hope for will also be greater, but we can also keep an eye on AI projects in the gambling sector so that we can know their progress.

If you are practical, it's really the best thing to do before following any AI recommendations, you need to know the percentages of how well AI can provide decent information about the game and how good are the sources of information before you follow or before you use the recommendation to place your bets.

With your own knowledge about the game and the information from the AI, it can confirm to follow whatever you think that will give you a win.

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April 28, 2023, 09:53:48 PM
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ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are?  Any other thoughts?

I once made a conversation on ChatGPT and I asked who was going to win between Islam Makhachev VS Alex Pereira, because why not I am really curious about who's really going to win, and this is the exact answer the AI said to me,

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"As an AI language model, I don't have the ability to predict the outcome of a sporting event with certainty. The winner of a fight can be influenced by a number of factors, including each fighter's skills, training, physical condition, and strategy. The result can also be impacted by variables such as the referee's decisions, injuries, or other unexpected events. Ultimately, the outcome of a fight is determined by the competitors in the ring and cannot be accurately predicted beforehand"

So yeah AI wouldn't likely predict the future for sure, but predicting the outcome of a certain fight yeah the AI can not really do such a thing so he just included and lengthen the conversation by saying some stuff on the factors that may affect the fight, so in my opinion, ChatGPT or the AI can not predict certain what may happen on gambling but it can provide some explanation about it, and what may be the outcome,



It is very true, looking at it from the point of view of honesty, things are like that, I do not doubt that the AI are good and that they bring us development, maybe they will bring something better to use some tools, if you program and an AI crashes you It can help and even give a better solution, and that is not bad, but in the predictions I think that is not yet developed, it has to happen and reprogram events through which the same AI creates many Mathematical models that coincide with what happened, As far as I am concerned,the best thing for now is not to believe much in the AI, neither detectors nor accusations for now, it is very easy to do it, but the AI is not Optimized and I think that there is a long way to go,when an AI is complete that does not fit the less doubt than if they will Make predictions with a high Margin of effectiveness.

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ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are?  Any other thoughts?

I once made a conversation on ChatGPT and I asked who was going to win between Islam Makhachev VS Alex Pereira, because why not I am really curious about who's really going to win, and this is the exact answer the AI said to me,

Quote
"As an AI language model, I don't have the ability to predict the outcome of a sporting event with certainty. The winner of a fight can be influenced by a number of factors, including each fighter's skills, training, physical condition, and strategy. The result can also be impacted by variables such as the referee's decisions, injuries, or other unexpected events. Ultimately, the outcome of a fight is determined by the competitors in the ring and cannot be accurately predicted beforehand"

So yeah AI wouldn't likely predict the future for sure, but predicting the outcome of a certain fight yeah the AI can not really do such a thing so he just included and lengthen the conversation by saying some stuff on the factors that may affect the fight, so in my opinion, ChatGPT or the AI can not predict certain what may happen on gambling but it can provide some explanation about it, and what may be the outcome,



It is very true, looking at it from the point of view of honesty, things are like that, I do not doubt that the AI are good and that they bring us development, maybe they will bring something better to use some tools, if you program and an AI crashes you It can help and even give a better solution, and that is not bad, but in the predictions I think that is not yet developed, it has to happen and reprogram events through which the same AI creates many Mathematical models that coincide with what happened, As far as I am concerned,the best thing for now is not to believe much in the AI, neither detectors nor accusations for now, it is very easy to do it, but the AI is not Optimized and I think that there is a long way to go,when an AI is complete that does not fit the less doubt than if they will Make predictions with a high Margin of effectiveness.

AI? It's like a fine wine: the more time passes, the better it gets. Similar to how a child wobbles toward mastery of walking, AI makes its way toward machine sophistication. It may fall, but with experience, who cares? The winner will be on display for you.

Can AI replace a crystal ball for making predictions? Huge. Every day, it gorges on data and fine-tunes its forecasts. Provide AI with a mystical oracle and watch it explode! Some sort of technological oracle appears.

But hey, AI isn't a flawless deity. Combine it with other strategies, scrutinize its accuracy. And who knows? Maybe we'll genuflect before our AI rulers someday!

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April 29, 2023, 03:30:34 PM
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But hey, AI isn't a flawless deity. Combine it with other strategies, scrutinize its accuracy. And who knows? Maybe we'll genuflect before our AI rulers someday!
combine between AI predictions with our own and after that take decision from 2 predictions, it's much better. when before making predictions using AI we can make our own analysis as a reference for our predictions to choose which team will win.
after our predictions are fixed we can make predictions using AI and combine these two predictions to consider which prediction to take.

but if i do that and the two predictions are different i will decide to take my own prediction. AI is only to consider our predictions only.

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April 30, 2023, 05:06:42 AM
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If you are practical, it's really the best thing to do before following any AI recommendations, you need to know the percentages of how well AI can provide decent information about the game and how good are the sources of information before you follow or before you use the recommendation to place your bets.

With your own knowledge about the game and the information from the AI, it can confirm to follow whatever you think that will give you a win.
But then this begs the question, why do you need the AI at all if you can make your own predictions and you can tell if the predictions given by the AI are any good or not?

At that point you will be better just following your betting system and ignore the predictions of the AI, as the only thing it will do is to confuse you and to create doubts in your mind about the accuracy of your system, which shows once again that as amazing as AI can be the only ones which can appreciate its power are those which do not really need it.
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But then this begs the question, why do you need the AI at all if you can make your own predictions and you can tell if the predictions given by the AI are any good or not?

At that point you will be better just following your betting system and ignore the predictions of the AI, as the only thing it will do is to confuse you and to create doubts in your mind about the accuracy of your system, which shows once again that as amazing as AI can be the only ones which can appreciate its power are those which do not really need it.

I guess it's having the feeling of ultimate control.

It's not simply blindly following what an automated system tells you, but you also add your gut feeling to it.

Not sure if it actually would improve the odds, but at the end of the day it might feel better for some, and that's at least a real thing.
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May 01, 2023, 12:17:39 PM
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If you are practical, it's really the best thing to do before following any AI recommendations, you need to know the percentages of how well AI can provide decent information about the game and how good are the sources of information before you follow or before you use the recommendation to place your bets.

With your own knowledge about the game and the information from the AI, it can confirm to follow whatever you think that will give you a win.
But then this begs the question, why do you need the AI at all if you can make your own predictions and you can tell if the predictions given by the AI are any good or not?

At that point you will be better just following your betting system and ignore the predictions of the AI, as the only thing it will do is to confuse you and to create doubts in your mind about the accuracy of your system, which shows once again that as amazing as AI can be the only ones which can appreciate its power are those which do not really need it.

Good stand point, if you have the knowledge and you are confident about how you assess every game that you are involving yourself in gambling, then why bother using AI? I see your point in terms of confusion as you have your own analysis and AI will provide a different view with the game that you are trying to assess, with that there's always 2nd thought and that's really bad when you are in this space, as if you lose you will feel the regret, you will always have that "what if".

It's better to use your own as for personal gambling strategy though for sure there are different approach with other gambler
who keeps seeking for extra edge and they might feel that AI will help them out achieving it.

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May 01, 2023, 08:15:54 PM
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If you are practical, it's really the best thing to do before following any AI recommendations, you need to know the percentages of how well AI can provide decent information about the game and how good are the sources of information before you follow or before you use the recommendation to place your bets.

With your own knowledge about the game and the information from the AI, it can confirm to follow whatever you think that will give you a win.
But then this begs the question, why do you need the AI at all if you can make your own predictions and you can tell if the predictions given by the AI are any good or not?

At that point you will be better just following your betting system and ignore the predictions of the AI, as the only thing it will do is to confuse you and to create doubts in your mind about the accuracy of your system, which shows once again that as amazing as AI can be the only ones which can appreciate its power are those which do not really need it.
The need to use AI is to find out how big a team or player is. Usually, AI will provide an overview of the percentage of each team that follows the results of the analysis obtained by AI so that we can find out and match them with the analysis we make. When you can compare it, you will see that the results of your analysis will not be much different from AI, that is, if you can really analyze it well. AI can give us the answers we need, but we have to decide whether to use the results of AI or the results of what we create. Perhaps, the use of AI will look like that, but in reality, I also don't know because the development of AI hasn't reached that stage yet.

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If you are practical, it's really the best thing to do before following any AI recommendations, you need to know the percentages of how well AI can provide decent information about the game and how good are the sources of information before you follow or before you use the recommendation to place your bets.

With your own knowledge about the game and the information from the AI, it can confirm to follow whatever you think that will give you a win.
But then this begs the question, why do you need the AI at all if you can make your own predictions and you can tell if the predictions given by the AI are any good or not?

At that point you will be better just following your betting system and ignore the predictions of the AI, as the only thing it will do is to confuse you and to create doubts in your mind about the accuracy of your system, which shows once again that as amazing as AI can be the only ones which can appreciate its power are those which do not really need it.
The need to use AI is to find out how big a team or player is. Usually, AI will provide an overview of the percentage of each team that follows the results of the analysis obtained by AI so that we can find out and match them with the analysis we make. When you can compare it, you will see that the results of your analysis will not be much different from AI, that is, if you can really analyze it well. AI can give us the answers we need, but we have to decide whether to use the results of AI or the results of what we create. Perhaps, the use of AI will look like that, but in reality, I also don't know because the development of AI hasn't reached that stage yet.
Using up AI is still really that relevant but if you do have doubts that information might be still have lacking then you could always opt to search out furthermore. It would really be just that depending oh how update
that Chatgpt for those informations to be included into its database on which it would be giving out  that right or complete answer whenever do someone do ask out for some information. This is where i do see that AI
application would really be that helpful towards this point but talking about being that reliant in terms of suggestion on which team who would gonna win then it isnt something that recommendable on doing so.
AI does have some application but it isnt something that you could really be that considering on making yourself keeping an eye on whats been suggesting.

Always take further on making out some analysis before you would be making out some finalization because we know that there are really that some factors which could really affect a game outcome.
If ever that happens that AI would be able to reach out this kind of state on which knowing upcoming outcomes or results then betting or gambling business would be over.

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May 02, 2023, 12:25:00 PM
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~Expecting that with all available information provided AI will always be right in its predictions is not wise. We shouldn't rule out the possibility of a team winning against all the odds. The question is, will AI predictions be more cumulatively more accurate than those of the human experts? I think, we are less than a year from the time when AI will beat humans in this regard.

Relying only on AI predictions may not be a wise decision since there may be unforeseen circumstances that could affect the outcome of bets.
Though the advantage of AI is that it can always analyze a vast amount of data and provide recommendations based on statistics.

One day AI will be able take those unforeseen circumstances into account and adjust the probability. And how far are we from that day, it's hard to say. What usually takes 5 years for humans, can take 5 weeks for an AI. I think at this point we have to be ready for a quicker development than we might expect. Most people, as always, will miss the train. Some time later the odds will be adjusted accordingly, but before that happens AI can help some people increase their good fortune in sports betting. Those are my dreams, and they may have never come true, of course. Smiley

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May 02, 2023, 01:48:51 PM
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~Expecting that with all available information provided AI will always be right in its predictions is not wise. We shouldn't rule out the possibility of a team winning against all the odds. The question is, will AI predictions be more cumulatively more accurate than those of the human experts? I think, we are less than a year from the time when AI will beat humans in this regard.

Relying only on AI predictions may not be a wise decision since there may be unforeseen circumstances that could affect the outcome of bets.
Though the advantage of AI is that it can always analyze a vast amount of data and provide recommendations based on statistics.

One day AI will be able take those unforeseen circumstances into account and adjust the probability. And how far are we from that day, it's hard to say. What usually takes 5 years for humans, can take 5 weeks for an AI. I think at this point we have to be ready for a quicker development than we might expect. Most people, as always, will miss the train. Some time later the odds will be adjusted accordingly, but before that happens AI can help some people increase their good fortune in sports betting. Those are my dreams, and they may have never come true, of course. Smiley

Development of AI is guaranteed in the next few years. It's possible that AI will level up in a way we can't really imagine at this point of time. But as time passes by when technology and innovation gradually progress, for sure it will pave its way to thrive as well. Nowadays, AI can be used for various reasons such as in academic related and even in programming. Perhaps in the future it could predict and even empathize with emotion and relate to circumstances if ever needed by the person who asked.

AI has still a long way to go. It can definitely be useful in gambling, but for me, it's still much better if personal considerations are still going to be the main basis for decision making.

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One day AI will be able take those unforeseen circumstances into account and adjust the probability. And how far are we from that day, it's hard to say. What usually takes 5 years for humans, can take 5 weeks for an AI. I think at this point we have to be ready for a quicker development than we might expect. Most people, as always, will miss the train. Some time later the odds will be adjusted accordingly, but before that happens AI can help some people increase their good fortune in sports betting. Those are my dreams, and they may have never come true, of course. Smiley
I actually think it's the other way around, AI's would never be able to account for unexpected developments since there are close to infinite (if not one) possible events that may happen, so it's instead going to make predictions based on a set data it has. It may create new predictions based on some finite number of circumstances that can be inputted by humans, but in the end it wouldn't (or couldn't really) take into account everything.

Plus in a sense, anything that can happen in one team can also happen in the opposing team, so really, taking into account "unexpected" events in each match is kind of nonsensical since taking their chances into account, they'd just both cancel each other out. I'd say it's going to help more in developing teams in unexpected ways, creating strategies and whatnot, and creating deeper divides between teams with AI assistance and not, plus, it can help make the match more unexpected with those new strategies and the like.


 
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Good stand point, if you have the knowledge and you are confident about how you assess every game that you are involving yourself in gambling, then why bother using AI?
Right, it makes sense, I once used the help of ChatGPT in sports betting, especially football, four times I tried, the fourth time I got the bad luck AI was really messy, the information that the robot provides, 100% of the information that is on the internet and is generally known by the public.

Until now I always remember what was said by: @Geoffrey Hinton.
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"The general public will find it difficult to distinguish what is true and what is not true. Photos, videos, and text generated by generative AI systems are flooding the internet as a source of human information today.


Until whenever I always remember what Mr AI' said, what @Fredomago said was precise and reasonable, bets of any kind, predictions, self-analysis are the best and can be trusted.

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