[POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes

[nullama]

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AI poker is already playing better than humans as far as I know. As for betting and analysis of sports events, here AI should also surpass humans, after all, sports betting is statistics + processing of large data arrays + probabilistic analysis - all that AI is undoubtedly good at.
The problem is that in this area everyone will keep their secrets and we will not know the moment when the superiority of AI will become undeniable 

Poker is at the end of the day a game of chances.

A computer knows exactly the odds of each play, so if it plays correctly based on those odds, in the long term it will always end up with more money than a human. Of course it will lose some games, but overall it will win.

The fun of poker is basically player vs player where each one tries to bluff each other making them think they have a better hand they actually have. That does nothing to a computer. It's a different game basically.

[slapper]

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I have wondered something, as time goes by the AI has learned much more, and the most important thing is that the AI learns in hours to be an expert in anything, in the case of betting on casinos there is still a long way to go, but I don't know how they can do it so that I can be one step ahead of the casino systems knowing that the casino systems have the Provably Fair system and everything that entails to be able to beat it, I think that for now it is not possible, but in the future the AI with the help of quantum pc will not be difficult anymore, and that era may come soon, I always believed that quantum computer will be developed first before AI.

I feel the need to address an error in thinking here: the idea of besting casino systems, even with state-of-the-art AI and quantum computing, is presently just wishful thinking. Casino games, especially the "Provably Fair" ones, are built on statistics and chance. Their essence is randomness - this makes forecasting or swaying the outcomes pretty much a no-go.

Sure, advanced AI can master many things rapidly. But they play by the rules and stay within their coded limits. The idea that AI can outsmart the system defies the randomness and fairness at the heart of these games. While dreaming of AI and quantum tech tipping the scales in our favor sounds nice, it's vital to keep in mind the unpredictability and risk intrinsic to gambling.

[Betwrong]

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See, You said it yourself, it can be useful. As for predicting outcomes of the things that are going to occur in future, you can ask "How to cook a tasty cheap soup?", and AI will provide you with a recipe, and it's kinda prediction of the future, innit? It's basically saying "Do this and this and you'll get a tasty soup in the future". In sports betting it could be "Bet on this and this, and you'll be in profit in the future." Of course, it's never guaranteed. You can be allergic to some ingredients in the recipe, or you might just don't like the taste, same as your profit might be negative after following AI's advice in sports betting, but we can try several times and see whether we want its help or not. AI has been doing well so far in many fields.

Well, the thing is that it's different when you use an AI to create a plan for you, like a recipe, etc, compared to betting.

When betting, the odds are always against you. The chances of a team winning are calculated, and then the casinos add some odds in their favor.

Are you sure this is how it works? How can you calculate the chances of a team winning precisely? Don't you think it's impossible? Don't the odds change all the time? And what can be the new factors that affecting the odds?

The thing is that in reality there's no mysterious machine that calculates the odds so precisely that the profit of the house is guaranteed. It is done in much simpler way: the odds are set so that the money of the losers went to the winners(minus the house edge, of course).

[KTChampions]

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AI poker is already playing better than humans as far as I know. As for betting and analysis of sports events, here AI should also surpass humans, after all, sports betting is statistics + processing of large data arrays + probabilistic analysis - all that AI is undoubtedly good at.
The problem is that in this area everyone will keep their secrets and we will not know the moment when the superiority of AI will become undeniable 

Poker is at the end of the day a game of chances.

A computer knows exactly the odds of each play, so if it plays correctly based on those odds, in the long term it will always end up with more money than a human. Of course it will lose some games, but overall it will win.

The fun of poker is basically player vs player where each one tries to bluff each other making them think they have a better hand they actually have. That does nothing to a computer. It's a different game basically.

In fact, I don't see anything interesting even in the game of people - now everyone knows the mathematical basis of poker, and even if they don't know it, they know the algorithms - when to raise, when to bluff, etc. Professional poker is a sad thing, I don't know who is following this and looking for some "hidden meanings and skills of the players".

[nullama]

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In fact, I don't see anything interesting even in the game of people - now everyone knows the mathematical basis of poker, and even if they don't know it, they know the algorithms - when to raise, when to bluff, etc. Professional poker is a sad thing, I don't know who is following this and looking for some "hidden meanings and skills of the players".

It's a bit like financial services. Some of them get it right some of the time and get lots of attention. Then they get it wrong and people forget about them, until someone else gets it right a few times, etc.

It's basically how random events work. You cannot predict exactly what card will come up next, in the same way that you cannot predict exactly what shares will go up or down.

But since many people are guessing all the time, some will get it right some of the time.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Using artificial intelligence for predictions is a big mistake in my opinion. I give an example for football. There are thousands of possibilities for a position in the match. All the data obtained according to the logic of artificial intelligence are analyzed and an estimate emerges, but even this is insufficient. Because there is the luck factor. The luck factor makes predictability impossible. So I'm talking about 100% accurate predictability. Otherwise, it is quite normal for him to make inferences and say logical results based on the data at hand.

But we can make artificial intelligence guess for fun. It's also fun to follow. Sometimes I show off to my friends when the correct results come out. Because I was able to make this prediction thanks to artificial intelligence. Still, these predictions should not go beyond entertainment.

I think that using an AI at the moment for the prediction is indeed a big mistake, because it is not among the most viable ways to have a reliable answer, but in a few years things can change,or in a few months, it is known that many programmers are working day and night to get an AI that is the main ticket to be able to win lotteries, casinos, whatever, I don't know if they are more advanced than openia, but surely they are close,especially those criminals who like to leave to offline sites for stealing your funds.

That's something doable in my opinion as well, we can't measure the potential as there are smart people who really working behind and trying to make a good use of AI system, we can only imagine how wide the capabilities if in case that it really developed the way it's intentionally been done, though I also believe that in gambling industry, there are always good ways for the casino to improve and adjust and for sure they will not let AI bankrupt them.

A big possibility is that they will also create or program their business by the use of AI system to counter the advantages or possible edge from their end users.

I have been Seeing many Threads about AI and its Scope , obviously the AI at some point will have a bigger boom and those AI that are more specific will have Guaranteed Success , but how will the casinos then at that time when an AI starts to beat them ? so how will high-yield, high-profit game providers sell to casinos ? I think that each casino has to stop Buying so many games from the providers and opt for Original games so that they can attract more attention , Especially when it comes to Analysis that is done in favor of a system called Provably Fair , if an AI manages to beat that system is where everything can fall into Possible Chaos.

Indeed, and for sure gambling business owners and providers will not allow that to happen, they will use this same system to program and update their business to make sure that in anyhow they can still on the upper hand here, I think with AI gamblers can learn the usages of advance research but the guaranteed outcome, that's not possible in any gambling related business, there are still other factors than the stats and anything that AI can provide or can collect to whatever resources it may have.

What I think of all this is that the casino systems should implement an anti-AI security system, and that will be a great business model, the way of protection at the beginning will be very expensive, but after time it will be possible+ to acquire more easily, but security before an AI will be essential to be acquired, personally I think that things with AI will be a very interesting topic as time continues to pass, with sports betting if there is nothing to to do, because things at the speed that is happening it is a bit unfeasible for an AI to predict the results accurately.

[len01]

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Casinos will also have it in the future when AI is widely used, and gamblers have also started using it to increase their winning chances. So casinos must be careful in anticipating this by looking for solutions to beat gamblers who use AI. Casinos can still beat gamblers who don't use AI or who don't know how to operate AI. But the casinos will surely have a hard time beating gamblers who understand how AI works because those gamblers really know how to figure out how to win. We may see that the competition between casinos and gamblers for wins will be tougher. So let's just wait.

don't worry the casino will be smarter than the gambler.
I mean whatever dares to compete with the casino or wants to beat the casino, of course the casino already has a way to prevent this problem from happening.
so there is no way to beat the casino using AI or to take advantage of the casino using AI even though AI has been developed more perfect but the casino will be more perfect with an anti AI system.

[maydna]

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Casinos will also have it in the future when AI is widely used, and gamblers have also started using it to increase their winning chances. So casinos must be careful in anticipating this by looking for solutions to beat gamblers who use AI. Casinos can still beat gamblers who don't use AI or who don't know how to operate AI. But the casinos will surely have a hard time beating gamblers who understand how AI works because those gamblers really know how to figure out how to win. We may see that the competition between casinos and gamblers for wins will be tougher. So let's just wait.

don't worry the casino will be smarter than the gambler.
I mean whatever dares to compete with the casino or wants to beat the casino, of course the casino already has a way to prevent this problem from happening.
so there is no way to beat the casino using AI or to take advantage of the casino using AI even though AI has been developed more perfect but the casino will be more perfect with an anti AI system.

That's true because a casino is a business run by a casino owner and his team. They definitely don't want to see what they've made unprofitable because of the AI. They will find ways to keep gamblers from winning, and casinos will also use AI technology to keep making profits. And it will be such a competition between the AI of gamblers and the AI of the casino that the gambling business will probably be even more advanced from now on. We can only play gambling as usual and hope we can win some money in a few rounds.

[KTChampions]

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In fact, I don't see anything interesting even in the game of people - now everyone knows the mathematical basis of poker, and even if they don't know it, they know the algorithms - when to raise, when to bluff, etc. Professional poker is a sad thing, I don't know who is following this and looking for some "hidden meanings and skills of the players".

It's a bit like financial services. Some of them get it right some of the time and get lots of attention. Then they get it wrong and people forget about them, until someone else gets it right a few times, etc.

It's basically how random events work. You cannot predict exactly what card will come up next, in the same way that you cannot predict exactly what shares will go up or down.

But since many people are guessing all the time, some will get it right some of the time.

Maybe these things have something in common, but I think more about mathematics. And in the first and second cases, there is no importance that someone guessed the card or the direction of price movement. The most important thing is not one-time successes, but the correct systematic actions - if you do them, then you will be in the black at a distance. This also applies to financial markets and poker games. Since the game of poker is quite simple, it is very dull to watch it.

[Fredomago]

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Casinos will also have it in the future when AI is widely used, and gamblers have also started using it to increase their winning chances. So casinos must be careful in anticipating this by looking for solutions to beat gamblers who use AI. Casinos can still beat gamblers who don't use AI or who don't know how to operate AI. But the casinos will surely have a hard time beating gamblers who understand how AI works because those gamblers really know how to figure out how to win. We may see that the competition between casinos and gamblers for wins will be tougher. So let's just wait.

don't worry the casino will be smarter than the gambler.
I mean whatever dares to compete with the casino or wants to beat the casino, of course the casino already has a way to prevent this problem from happening.
so there is no way to beat the casino using AI or to take advantage of the casino using AI even though AI has been developed more perfect but the casino will be more perfect with an anti AI system.

That's true because a casino is a business run by a casino owner and his team. They definitely don't want to see what they've made unprofitable because of the AI. They will find ways to keep gamblers from winning, and casinos will also use AI technology to keep making profits. And it will be such a competition between the AI of gamblers and the AI of the casino that the gambling business will probably be even more advanced from now on. We can only play gambling as usual and hope we can win some money in a few rounds.

Casino is a business and they surely have more money to invest in using AI to make sure that gamblers will not have that edge against them, they will not allow anyone to make them as a cash cow or else we will see more gambling business to close and we should expect that there are many successful gamblers to make millions out from this system..

Just a scenario if only AI technology will learn it and make an accurate prediction. Though I'm not closing the possibility but I also follow this statement that it's a business and business will find ways to counter the advantage.

[wxa7115]

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Casinos will also have it in the future when AI is widely used, and gamblers have also started using it to increase their winning chances. So casinos must be careful in anticipating this by looking for solutions to beat gamblers who use AI. Casinos can still beat gamblers who don't use AI or who don't know how to operate AI. But the casinos will surely have a hard time beating gamblers who understand how AI works because those gamblers really know how to figure out how to win. We may see that the competition between casinos and gamblers for wins will be tougher. So let's just wait.

don't worry the casino will be smarter than the gambler.
I mean whatever dares to compete with the casino or wants to beat the casino, of course the casino already has a way to prevent this problem from happening.
so there is no way to beat the casino using AI or to take advantage of the casino using AI even though AI has been developed more perfect but the casino will be more perfect with an anti AI system.

And even if for some reason a gambler was able to develop a better AI than the one the casinos may have on the future, the only thing they need to do to disrupt the dreams of those gamblers of becoming rich with their invention is to add a rule which specifically forbids the use of AI to beat them.

So even if a gambler beats the casino this way their withdrawal can be denied based on the TOS of the casino, and with such a simple move all their effort will be wasted as they will fail to obtain any profits out of their AI.

[len01]

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That's true because a casino is a business run by a casino owner and his team. They definitely don't want to see what they've made unprofitable because of the AI. They will find ways to keep gamblers from winning, and casinos will also use AI technology to keep making profits. And it will be such a competition between the AI of gamblers and the AI of the casino that the gambling business will probably be even more advanced from now on. We can only play gambling as usual and hope we can win some money in a few rounds.

gambler AI competition with gambling AI?
a little ridiculous but this is not what I mean but every casino has a security system and they will always improve the security system by all means to avoid any loss on the gambling platform.
so that there is no competition between gamblers and gambling owners, it's just that gambling has an obligation to continue to improve system security.

so there is no other way even though AI is continuously developed but still casinos always have stronger and smarter security.

[babo]

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are?  Any other thoughts?

sorry I make bets for fun and not for profit
but your topic interests me a lot
how would you use AI to make bet guesses?
I don't understand which prompt you used for chatgpt and I would like to know if you used it and which one it is
maybe tell me in private if you don't want to publish it here

in case: i dont know any prompt for ask guessing bet to chatgpt

[EarnOnVictor]

But I don't think AI technology has yet reached that stage and is still being developed, so we are still looking for more information or there is already technology that can provide accurate predictions about matches. Indeed, using AI can provide a higher percentage because calculations from AI can be more accurate than we do, but we should not make decisions based solely on information from AI. But if we talk about the luck we can get, AI is having trouble knowing when that luck is coming.

Casinos most likely have it, or at least their odds providers do so, after all with the huge amount of events and bets they offer it is impossible this is calculated by humans so some sort of AI must be able to do this, which is why some professional gamblers have noticed that is getting harder and harder to beat the casinos as the algorithms behind their AI is improving every single day.

Still if at some point that technology fell on the hands of gamblers they could fight fire with fire and find more easily odds in which the AI could have made a mistake.

Casinos will also have it in the future when AI is widely used, and gamblers have also started using it to increase their winning chances. So casinos must be careful in anticipating this by looking for solutions to beat gamblers who use AI. Casinos can still beat gamblers who don't use AI or who don't know how to operate AI. But the casinos will surely have a hard time beating gamblers who understand how AI works because those gamblers really know how to figure out how to win. We may see that the competition between casinos and gamblers for wins will be tougher. So let's just wait.

When it comes to casinos, I can assure you that AIs don't have any privilege to worry about, just like the manual, some might win at times yet this is not a threat to the house because it's normal that you win at times, which doesn't stop the fact that you might lose many times after. But when it comes to sportsbooks, AIs can work more in helping one to quickly get it done, this is even those that know nothing about the sport but knows how to risk lower and manage their bets well with AI understanding.

Still, this is not a significant threat to the industry because AIs are no-god, the outcomes of sports are not predetermined, and one can only get to speculate through past reviews and connect feats.

[Blitzboy]

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That's true because a casino is a business run by a casino owner and his team. They definitely don't want to see what they've made unprofitable because of the AI. They will find ways to keep gamblers from winning, and casinos will also use AI technology to keep making profits. And it will be such a competition between the AI of gamblers and the AI of the casino that the gambling business will probably be even more advanced from now on. We can only play gambling as usual and hope we can win some money in a few rounds.

gambler AI competition with gambling AI?
a little ridiculous but this is not what I mean but every casino has a security system and they will always improve the security system by all means to avoid any loss on the gambling platform.
so that there is no competition between gamblers and gambling owners, it's just that gambling has an obligation to continue to improve system security.

so there is no other way even though AI is continuously developed but still casinos always have stronger and smarter security.

Your outlook seems to lack depth. There's an unmistakable standoff between the AI for punters and the protective AI of casinos. In this digital duel, the punters' AI, perpetually pushing boundaries, incentivizes casinos to fortify their defenses.

Claiming casinos will forever have superior security might be overstating. The relentless evolution of AI can challenge even the most fortified casino safeguards. The explosive growth rate of AI leaves even the sharpest among us struggling to keep pace.

Hence, theres a riveting rivalry, albeit subtle, between the punter' AI and the casino' AI, making this a captivating technological tussle rather than one-sided evolution.

[Betwrong]

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are?  Any other thoughts?

sorry I make bets for fun and not for profit
but your topic interests me a lot
how would you use AI to make bet guesses?
I don't understand which prompt you used for chatgpt and I would like to know if you used it and which one it is
maybe tell me in private if you don't want to publish it here

in case: i dont know any prompt for ask guessing bet to chatgpt

Right now you can't use ChatGPT to predict the result of the upcoming game. This is so because the AI doesn't have real-time information



But in the future, and I hope it's a near future, it will be all about the right promt. And it won't be necessary to write it each time afresh. 90% of it will be possible to use unchanged.

[Fredomago]

But I don't think AI technology has yet reached that stage and is still being developed, so we are still looking for more information or there is already technology that can provide accurate predictions about matches. Indeed, using AI can provide a higher percentage because calculations from AI can be more accurate than we do, but we should not make decisions based solely on information from AI. But if we talk about the luck we can get, AI is having trouble knowing when that luck is coming.

Casinos most likely have it, or at least their odds providers do so, after all with the huge amount of events and bets they offer it is impossible this is calculated by humans so some sort of AI must be able to do this, which is why some professional gamblers have noticed that is getting harder and harder to beat the casinos as the algorithms behind their AI is improving every single day.

Still if at some point that technology fell on the hands of gamblers they could fight fire with fire and find more easily odds in which the AI could have made a mistake.

Casinos will also have it in the future when AI is widely used, and gamblers have also started using it to increase their winning chances. So casinos must be careful in anticipating this by looking for solutions to beat gamblers who use AI. Casinos can still beat gamblers who don't use AI or who don't know how to operate AI. But the casinos will surely have a hard time beating gamblers who understand how AI works because those gamblers really know how to figure out how to win. We may see that the competition between casinos and gamblers for wins will be tougher. So let's just wait.

When it comes to casinos, I can assure you that AIs don't have any privilege to worry about, just like the manual, some might win at times yet this is not a threat to the house because it's normal that you win at times, which doesn't stop the fact that you might lose many times after. But when it comes to sportsbooks, AIs can work more in helping one to quickly get it done, this is even those that know nothing about the sport but knows how to risk lower and manage their bets well with AI understanding.

Still, this is not a significant threat to the industry because AIs are no-god, the outcomes of sports are not predetermined, and one can only get to speculate through past reviews and connect feats.

That last statement of yours really weight into a value, there's no predetermined outcome unless it's a part of game fixing, but in a real setting of the game only past performance is available which AI can provide, the impact of any other factors can't be decided as there are things that gambler needed to consider before placing bets, things that manual research and manual assessment are needed in order to pick the right game and right team/player to bet along.

[babo]

beyond this, the only evaluation that an AI can make is of the statistical type, it fits
but you could have done it before
perhaps now the advantage is that the complexity is hidden by a prompt, knowing which one it is obviously, because it is not really immediate

[maydna]

Casino is a business and they surely have more money to invest in using AI to make sure that gamblers will not have that edge against them, they will not allow anyone to make them as a cash cow or else we will see more gambling business to close and we should expect that there are many successful gamblers to make millions out from this system..

Just a scenario if only AI technology will learn it and make an accurate prediction. Though I'm not closing the possibility but I also follow this statement that it's a business and business will find ways to counter the advantage.

There is no doubt that casinos will look for the latest technology that can be implemented in their places of business to prevent fraud. Casinos will not let those crooked gamblers win and take the casino's profits and will be even more careful in overseeing their business. And supported by their resources, they have a security team that is quite good at guarding the casino.

gambler AI competition with gambling AI?
a little ridiculous but this is not what I mean but every casino has a security system and they will always improve the security system by all means to avoid any loss on the gambling platform.
so that there is no competition between gamblers and gambling owners, it's just that gambling has an obligation to continue to improve system security.

so there is no other way even though AI is continuously developed but still casinos always have stronger and smarter security.

It's ridiculous, but it might happen in the future. With the potential for even better technological advances in the future, it could happen so that what we have never imagined will happen. I also can't imagine what will happen, but the technology now with us will improve greatly. And yes, I agree that casinos will also evolve and have stronger and better security, but that doesn't stop gamblers who want to cheat from finding other ways to win from the casino.

When it comes to casinos, I can assure you that AIs don't have any privilege to worry about, just like the manual, some might win at times yet this is not a threat to the house because it's normal that you win at times, which doesn't stop the fact that you might lose many times after. But when it comes to sportsbooks, AIs can work more in helping one to quickly get it done, this is even those that know nothing about the sport but knows how to risk lower and manage their bets well with AI understanding.

Still, this is not a significant threat to the industry because AIs are no-god, the outcomes of sports are not predetermined, and one can only get to speculate through past reviews and connect feats.

It's normal if we win, but if we win in a row and in a large amount, the casino will suspect it and investigate what happened. And if it was caused by cheating committed by a gambler, the casino will take action immediately by blocking his account so he can't withdraw his winnings.

And with the help of artificial intelligence, which can collect more data than we can, it can provide information that we might not find so that we can get even more information. With AI, gamblers can analyze in a short time because they can get the data in a short time.

[Silberman]

That last statement of yours really weight into a value, there's no predetermined outcome unless it's a part of game fixing, but in a real setting of the game only past performance is available which AI can provide, the impact of any other factors can't be decided as there are things that gambler needed to consider before placing bets, things that manual research and manual assessment are needed in order to pick the right game and right team/player to bet along.

The biggest advantage that an AI has is that compared to a human an AI could get better at picking the winners and picking good odds at all sports, while this is something impossible for a human as our time and our energy is limited, so even if an AI cannot predict every single outcome it could get you access to the very best bets and the very best opportunities to get a win, giving to whoever created such an AI a tremendous advantage over any other gambler out there.