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June 25, 2015, 09:30:07 PM
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for those of you that actually understand this stuff, unlike TPTB, take a look at how some miner appears to be defending himself from a series of maxed out blocks with a 1 tx mined block:

http://i.imgur.com/r45L37T.png

For those who've not been around a while, note that zero-length blocks are nothing new.  They occur for a variety of reasons.  One of them is that mining viruses can mine without bothering to listen and process transactions on the network.  The more transactions there are, the more onerous actually supporting the network becomes.  As long as fees are a trivial part of a reward and miners are kept in business almost exclusively by Bitcoin's coded in inflation (the 'coinbase') we can expect to see such things.  Keeping fees trivial is of utmost importance to a minority of Bitcoin developers and a larger segment of non-developers.  It also becomes technically more challenging to actually verify transactions because of increased bloat so we might see more miners not bothering and blocks pumped out with invalid transactions (which, hopefully, will die on shorter chains as long as there are at least a few people who are validating properly.)


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June 25, 2015, 09:30:56 PM
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yes, it was me who mined that 1 tx block.  and yes, i stand ready to pump out a series of endless 8MB spam blocks from all the different pool IP addresses while at the same time mounting a massive Sybil attack on yours and Odalv's private wallets.  b/c i want to privatize the network:

BOO!!!


oh, and this is all btwn patients.

"excuse me, Mrs. Jones..."
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June 25, 2015, 09:33:13 PM
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yes, it was me who mined that 1 tx block.  and yes, i stand ready to pump out a series of endless 8MB spam blocks from all the different pool IP addresses while at the same time mounting a massive Sybil attack on yours and Odalv's private wallets.  b/c i want to privatize the network:

BOO!!!


oh, and this is all btwn patients.

"excuse me, Mrs. Jones..."

I'm convinced. Nobody... and I mean NOBODY here is sane.  Grin

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June 25, 2015, 09:33:44 PM
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for those of you that actually understand this stuff, unlike TPTB, take a look at how some miner appears to be defending himself from a series of maxed out blocks with a 1 tx mined block:

http://i.imgur.com/r45L37T.png

For those who've not been around a while, note that zero-length blocks are nothing new.  They occur for a variety of reasons.  One of them is that mining viruses can mine without bothering to listen and process transactions on the network.  The more transactions there are, the more onerous actually supporting the network becomes.  As long as fees are a trivial part of a reward and miners are kept in business almost exclusively by Bitcoin's coded in inflation (the 'coinbase') we can expect to see such things.  Keeping fees trivial is of utmost importance to a minority of Bitcoin developers and a larger segment of non-developers.  It also becomes technically more challenging to actually verify transactions because of increased bloat so we might see more miners not bothering and blocks pumped out with invalid transactions (which, hopefully, will die on shorter chains as long as there are at least a few people who are validating properly.)



or, much more likely, they can just be doing a Wang Chun.
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June 25, 2015, 09:41:34 PM
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yes, it was me who mined that 1 tx block.  and yes, i stand ready to pump out a series of endless 8MB spam blocks from all the different pool IP addresses while at the same time mounting a massive Sybil attack on yours and Odalv's private wallets.  b/c i want to privatize the network:

BOO!!!


oh, and this is all btwn patients.

"excuse me, Mrs. Jones..."

I'm convinced. Nobody... and I mean NOBODY here is sane.  Grin

hey, c'mon, be a sport.

sometimes when you're surrounded by the insane (tvbcof, TPTB, icBLow), you just gotta go with it!  don't be sad; be HAPPY! Cheesy
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June 25, 2015, 09:43:11 PM
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yes, it was me who mined that 1 tx block.  and yes, i stand ready to pump out a series of endless 8MB spam blocks from all the different pool IP addresses while at the same time mounting a massive Sybil attack on yours and Odalv's private wallets.  b/c i want to privatize the network:

BOO!!!


oh, and this is all btwn patients.

"excuse me, Mrs. Jones..."

I'm convinced. Nobody... and I mean NOBODY here is sane.  Grin

hey, c'mon, be a sport.

sometimes when you're surrounded by the insane (tvbcof, TPTB, icBLow), you just gotta go with it!  don't be sad; be HAPPY! Cheesy

No offence, but I'm the driver. Tongue

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June 25, 2015, 09:43:38 PM
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Maybe because cypherdoc made a fortune as early adopter and now is trying to privatize bitcoin. He is one of them who can run 8 GB block-size node.

Ya, with a GUI installer and a 'tute'.


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June 25, 2015, 09:47:22 PM
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Maybe because cypherdoc made a fortune as early adopter and now is trying to privatize bitcoin. He is one of them who can run 8 GB block-size node.

Ya, with a GUI installer and a 'tute'.



c'mon man, gimme credit.

i'm the guy genius who successfully solo mined on Avalon's.  which, btw, was supposed to be HARD.  pfft!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3b0ycp/the_current_system_where_every_user_is_a_network/cshz211
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June 25, 2015, 09:58:27 PM
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Maybe because cypherdoc made a fortune as early adopter and now is trying to privatize bitcoin. He is one of them who can run 8 GB block-size node.

Ya, with a GUI installer and a 'tute'.



c'mon man, gimme credit.

i'm the guy genius who successfully solo mined on Avalon's.  which, btw, was supposed to be HARD.  pfft!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3b0ycp/the_current_system_where_every_user_is_a_network/cshz211

looks like, you developed first asic. (during pauses when you was not coding bitcoin core)
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June 25, 2015, 10:00:35 PM
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Maybe because cypherdoc made a fortune as early adopter and now is trying to privatize bitcoin. He is one of them who can run 8 GB block-size node.

Ya, with a GUI installer and a 'tute'.



c'mon man, gimme credit.

i'm the guy genius who successfully solo mined on Avalon's.  which, btw, was supposed to be HARD.  pfft!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3b0ycp/the_current_system_where_every_user_is_a_network/cshz211

looks like, you developed first asic. (during pauses when you was not coding bitcoin core)

yes.

like i said, all that btwn patients:

"excuse me, Mrs. Smith...time for me to do Sybil.  uh, i don't mean 'do', i mean see.  or do i mean, make her see O_o?"
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June 25, 2015, 10:09:40 PM
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Maybe because cypherdoc made a fortune as early adopter and now is trying to privatize bitcoin. He is one of them who can run 8 GB block-size node.

Ya, with a GUI installer and a 'tute'.



c'mon man, gimme credit.

i'm the guy genius who successfully solo mined on Avalon's.  which, btw, was supposed to be HARD.  pfft!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3b0ycp/the_current_system_where_every_user_is_a_network/cshz211

looks like, you developed first asic. (during pauses when you was not coding bitcoin core)

yes.

like i said, all that btwn patients:

"excuse me, Mrs. Smith...time for me to do Sybil.  uh, i don't mean 'do', i mean see.  or do i mean, make her see O_o?"

Excuse me  "ASIC inventor"(somebody who can turn on ASIC) and "Bitcoin core developer"(somebody who is able to change constant from 1MB to 20MB). :-) You are funny,

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I forgot. You are doing all this FOR NON PROFIT.
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June 25, 2015, 10:20:35 PM
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Unbelievable!  It's almost as if subsidizing spam/noise transactions creates more of them.   Huh

Indeed, building wider motorways doesn't necessarily solve traffic congestion. A bunch of other things sometimes do (raising gasoline/car taxes/prices, regulation, unemployment, crime, alternative transport, virtual working, better city layout, emigration...).

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June 25, 2015, 10:29:29 PM
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we're not even under attack yet blocks continue to fill up:

Unbelievable!  It's almost as if subsidizing spam/noise transactions creates more of them.   Huh
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  Whoop - Whoop - Whoop  |  emergency!  |  Whoop - Whoop - Whoop  |  emergency!

Paging Justusranvier to explain in free-market principles pretzels how iCEBREAKER is muddled in his thinking.


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June 25, 2015, 10:54:33 PM
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looks like, you developed first asic. (during pauses when you was not coding bitcoin core)

I figured his ego would cause him to misstep as expected.

Is he not providing (so far circumstantial) evidence that is well connected with those who may have the power to produce mining cartels.

A few more missteps and I shall have him cornered...

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June 25, 2015, 10:59:13 PM
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we're not even under attack yet blocks continue to fill up:

Unbelievable!  It's almost as if subsidizing spam/noise transactions creates more of them.   Huh
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  Whoop - Whoop - Whoop  |  emergency!  |  Whoop - Whoop - Whoop  |  emergency!

Paging Justusranvier to explain in free-market principles pretzels how iCEBREAKER is muddled in his thinking.



you supposed engineers are stupid, aren't you?

i'll take a stab at this:  for 6 yrs we've had a small enough tx set that barely filled 1MB blocks.  now that we're starting to get closer to filling them up, spammers find it more cost effective to spam (don't have to create as many fee paying spam to fill the blocks and cause problems).  thus, their attacks start to increase in frequency. that's a problem because of the 1MB limit.

and to quote one of our trusted in thread "engineers", solex:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3b0ycp/the_current_system_where_every_user_is_a_network/cshz211
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June 25, 2015, 11:00:40 PM
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looks like, you developed first asic. (during pauses when you was not coding bitcoin core)

I figured his ego would cause him to misstep as expected.

Is he not providing (so far circumstantial) evidence that is well connected with those who may have the power to produce mining cartels.

A few more missteps and I shall have him cornered...

BOO!!!

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June 25, 2015, 11:12:58 PM
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we're not even under attack yet blocks continue to fill up:
Unbelievable!  It's almost as if subsidizing spam/noise transactions creates more of them.   Huh
  Whoop - Whoop - Whoop  |  emergency!  |  Whoop - Whoop - Whoop  |  emergency!

Paging Justusranvier to explain in free-market principles pretzels how iCEBREAKER is muddled in his thinking.

Heh, the Gavinistas are having a very bad day week.   Cool

First, Frap.doc was put upon to explain with some semblance of logical consistency how he reaches the same pro-bloat conclusion as gavin@tla.mit.gov, despite operating on quite opposite assumptions w/r/t the financial crisis being over (now and in the med. term future).

Then came yet another face-r3kking, sig-worthy domination tweet from Jon Matonis (as if the previous from Szatoshi Backamoto weren't enough) about the utter futility of shoehorning Bitcon's square settlement peg into VisaPayPal's round payment hole:



And finally(?) Dear Leader Himself debunks hearn@google.mil and Frap.doc's attempts to ram through ill-considered hard forks using fear and mass hysteria:



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June 25, 2015, 11:18:25 PM
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we're not even under attack yet blocks continue to fill up:
Unbelievable!  It's almost as if subsidizing spam/noise transactions creates more of them.   Huh
 Whoop - Whoop - Whoop  |  emergency!  |  Whoop - Whoop - Whoop  |  emergency!

Paging Justusranvier to explain in free-market principles pretzels how iCEBREAKER is muddled in his thinking.

i am full of shit

iCEBlow, do you ever put forth any logical technical arguments or is it always pure bluster and FUD?
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we're not even under attack yet blocks continue to fill up:

Unbelievable!  It's almost as if subsidizing spam/noise transactions creates more of them.   Huh
...

  Whoop - Whoop - Whoop  |  emergency!  |  Whoop - Whoop - Whoop  |  emergency!

Paging Justusranvier to explain in free-market principles pretzels how iCEBREAKER is muddled in his thinking.


you supposed engineers are stupid, aren't you?

i'll take a stab at this:  for 6 yrs we've had a small enough tx set that barely filled 1MB blocks.  now that we're starting to get closer to filling them up, spammers find it more cost effective to spam (don't have to create as many fee paying spam to fill the blocks and cause problems).  thus, their attacks start to increase in frequency. that's a problem because of the 1MB limit.
...

Lemme try to clue you in a bit here.

Firstly, if I had a BTC for every dumbshit idea about using the blockchain as some boundless resource for messeging, timestamping, data storage system, etc, I'd be a richer man.  Even one piss-ant dice game strained it.  You don't think that VC's got cold feet when they looked past the sales pitches and saw the 1MB limit that Satoshi wisely put in?  Those who are not capable of that modest level of due-diligence lost all their money a long before they were able use it to fuck up Bitcoin.

Secondly, every one of these dumbshit ideas remains a gleam in the creator's eye and ready to pounce as soon as you crypto-socialist Gavinistas do your thing.

My own 'paracoin' idea to parasitize the subsidized data store and hitch a free ride on the Yetta-hashes as they become available.  Thankfully that idea was never needed because most of the dev team has been smart enough to fight off you bloaters for the last few years and develop against the mainchain which has yet to be destroyed.

Edit:  Oh ya, and another thing (again.)  The reason why you cannot get the 1MB filled up with coffee purchase after 6 years of trying and a lot of help from the media and regulators is this:  Bitcoin SUCKS BALLS as an exchange currency.  It is simply not competitive in this capacity and never will be.  Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you need to come to terms with this eventually.


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June 25, 2015, 11:31:13 PM
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we're not even under attack yet blocks continue to fill up:

Unbelievable!  It's almost as if subsidizing spam/noise transactions creates more of them.   Huh
...

  Whoop - Whoop - Whoop  |  emergency!  |  Whoop - Whoop - Whoop  |  emergency!

Paging Justusranvier to explain in free-market principles pretzels how iCEBREAKER is muddled in his thinking.


you supposed engineers are stupid, aren't you?

i'll take a stab at this:  for 6 yrs we've had a small enough tx set that barely filled 1MB blocks.  now that we're starting to get closer to filling them up, spammers find it more cost effective to spam (don't have to create as many fee paying spam to fill the blocks and cause problems).  thus, their attacks start to increase in frequency. that's a problem because of the 1MB limit.
...

Lemme try to clue you in a bit here.

Firstly, if I had a BTC for every dumbshit idea about using the blockchain as some boundless resource for messeging, timestamping, data storage system, etc, I'd be a richer man.  Even one piss-ant dice game strained it.  You don't think that VC's got cold feet when they looked past the sales pitches and saw the 1MB limit that Satoshi wisely put in?  Those who are not capable of that modest level of due-diligence lost all their money a long before they were able use it to fuck up Bitcoin.

Secondly, every one of these dumbshit ideas remains a gleam in the creator's eye and ready to pounce as soon as you crypto-socialist Gavinistas do your thing.

My own 'paracoin' idea to parasitize the subsidized data store and hitch a free ride on the Yetta-hashes as they become available.  Thankfully that idea was never needed because most of the dev team has been smart enough to fight off you bloaters for the last few years and develop against the mainchain which has yet to be destroyed.



Paracoin?!  hah.  i remember that POS (that'd be piece of sh*t).  that's when i first began suspecting that all these self proclaimed engineer experts around here were pulling my leg.  that was a joke then and it still is a joke today.

here's the thing.  Bitcoin was so new and so experimental, even the geeks failed to understand that which hath been created.  i'm am going to stop saying "that they hath created" b/c that would be giving too much credit to geeks/engineers in general now that the secrets out about their ability to understand Bitcoin over the rest of us.  

don't get me wrong; i can clearly see the geeks/engineers whom i need to pay respect to; they know who they are.  but the rest of you, especially you, can be confidently ignored.
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