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June 30, 2015, 05:54:09 AM
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iCEBlow blowing more iCE.

i'm flattered you find me so important to grace my thread with your never ending presence.  keep pushing me and it UP!

Sure, no problem.  It's a fun thread, despite the uncharacteristically nasty acrimony over GavinCoin.

Very wise of you to not try defending your silly "iCE just seems to follow the crowd" remark, BTW.   Smiley

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Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


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June 30, 2015, 06:09:14 AM
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...since 9/11 was clearly not a attributable to handful of Muslims hiding out in caves half way around the world...

Seriously? Conspiracy theories are fun and all, but most require there to exist a level of perfection in coordination, execution, and secrecy in large organizations, or spanning far more individuals, than is rational to consider a real possibility.

No they don't.  That's why most of these false flags are about as clear as the nose on one's face when someone takes the time to look into them.  Thankfully we have an alternate media and interested individuals in society who, for whatever their set of reasons, will do just that.  We'll see how much longer that lasts now that the FCC has regulatory authority over the internet.  I'm guessing that they'll hold up about as well as Bitcoin when people attempt to use it in it's original P2P form.


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June 30, 2015, 06:52:57 AM
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Peter Todd on /r/buttcoin today:

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Why doesnt buttcoin start its own "stress test"?

I dont know anything about coding or servers or the intricate workings of bitcoin, (I'm just an ideas man), but it would be fun to be involved in setting up our own little "stress test" on the bitcoin network.
Obviously it's a waste of money, but so are a lot of things (at least it goes to the nice energy companies in China). (...)

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Find me $5k and I'll make it happen in a big way, with proper tx creation scripts that don't just crash.
This is a serious offer.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3bk12f/why_doesnt_buttcoin_start_its_own_stress_test/csn4nbz

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June 30, 2015, 07:07:04 AM
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I am struggling making a comparaison chart of Bitcoin's vs Euro's volatility, anyone knows a tool to do so please?
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Peter Todd on /r/buttcoin today:

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Why doesnt buttcoin start its own "stress test"?

I dont know anything about coding or servers or the intricate workings of bitcoin, (I'm just an ideas man), but it would be fun to be involved in setting up our own little "stress test" on the bitcoin network.
Obviously it's a waste of money, but so are a lot of things (at least it goes to the nice energy companies in China). (...)

Quote from: petertodd
Find me $5k and I'll make it happen in a big way, with proper tx creation scripts that don't just crash.
This is a serious offer.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3bk12f/why_doesnt_buttcoin_start_its_own_stress_test/csn4nbz

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I think this demonstrates his level of hypocrisy here.

Peter is saying to the /r/buttcoin group that he is happy to implement a massive flood attack against Bitcoin for $5K in transactions (which is enough to generate 10s of millions of transactions very quickly), because he is confident that the network can handle this.

Which leads one to ask, if nodes the and current P2P network can handle a flood of several 10s of millions of transactions (as Peter is saying), why can't Bitcoin handle larger blocksizes again?
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June 30, 2015, 07:25:44 AM
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I am struggling making a comparaison chart of Bitcoin's vs Euro's volatility, anyone knows a tool to do so please?

A while back I put something on this thread which touches both on how to obtain data from someone else's Google spreadsheet (using it as a quasi-database) and also feeding data into gnuplot.  Sometimes I get carried away trying to do one-liners on the command line (though I'm losing my edge for lack of practice over the last few years.)  Probably won't do you much good, but here it is:

  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg925384#msg925384


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June 30, 2015, 07:43:22 AM
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I am struggling making a comparaison chart of Bitcoin's vs Euro's volatility, anyone knows a tool to do so please?

A while back I put something on this thread which touches both on how to obtain data from someone else's Google spreadsheet (using it as a quasi-database) and also feeding data into gnuplot.  Sometimes I get carried away trying to do one-liners on the command line (though I'm losing my edge for lack of practice over the last few years.)  Probably won't do you much good, but here it is:

  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg925384#msg925384



erf i'm having this excel issue, where i have on one cell multiple data

for ex: 2015-06-14,233.8536,5.454695278537045,0.004716184177479654,0.011187287496159574

how do i separate and reaffect each to single cell?
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I am struggling making a comparaison chart of Bitcoin's vs Euro's volatility, anyone knows a tool to do so please?

A while back I put something on this thread which touches both on how to obtain data from someone else's Google spreadsheet (using it as a quasi-database) and also feeding data into gnuplot.  Sometimes I get carried away trying to do one-liners on the command line (though I'm losing my edge for lack of practice over the last few years.)  Probably won't do you much good, but here it is:

  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg925384#msg925384



erf i'm having this excel issue, where i have on one cell multiple data

for ex: 2015-06-14,233.8536,5.454695278537045,0.004716184177479654,0.011187287496159574

how do i separate and reaffect each to single cell?

Don't know much about excel (have not used it for several decades) but you might try making sure you import the data as 'csv' (comma separated values.)  It looks like it is such but excel is not interpreting it that way.

It is also sometimes the case that the input data can have something which excel interpreted as 'escapes'.  That is, it might be being inadvertently instructed to be treating the commas as literal values.


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June 30, 2015, 09:09:29 AM
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I am struggling making a comparaison chart of Bitcoin's vs Euro's volatility, anyone knows a tool to do so please?

A while back I put something on this thread which touches both on how to obtain data from someone else's Google spreadsheet (using it as a quasi-database) and also feeding data into gnuplot.  Sometimes I get carried away trying to do one-liners on the command line (though I'm losing my edge for lack of practice over the last few years.)  Probably won't do you much good, but here it is:

  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg925384#msg925384



erf i'm having this excel issue, where i have on one cell multiple data

for ex: 2015-06-14,233.8536,5.454695278537045,0.004716184177479654,0.011187287496159574

how do i separate and reaffect each to single cell?

Don't know much about excel (have not used it for several decades) but you might try making sure you import the data as 'csv' (comma separated values.)  It looks like it is such but excel is not interpreting it that way.

It is also sometimes the case that the input data can have something which excel interpreted as 'escapes'.  That is, it might be being inadvertently instructed to be treating the commas as literal values.



yea no i have managed it thx,

in the end i have this:



so bitcoin is more stable than euro! Grin

Édit: any feed-back tho? Im having doubts as to if i have done it right..
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June 30, 2015, 11:02:35 AM
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Édit: any feed-back tho? Im having doubts as to if i have done it right..

https://blog.bitmex.com/bitcoin-volatility-compression/


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June 30, 2015, 11:13:26 AM
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I am struggling making a comparaison chart of Bitcoin's vs Euro's volatility, anyone knows a tool to do so please?

A while back I put something on this thread which touches both on how to obtain data from someone else's Google spreadsheet (using it as a quasi-database) and also feeding data into gnuplot.  Sometimes I get carried away trying to do one-liners on the command line (though I'm losing my edge for lack of practice over the last few years.)  Probably won't do you much good, but here it is:

  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg925384#msg925384



erf i'm having this excel issue, where i have on one cell multiple data

for ex: 2015-06-14,233.8536,5.454695278537045,0.004716184177479654,0.011187287496159574

how do i separate and reaffect each to single cell?

Text to Columns command in Excel:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/214261
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June 30, 2015, 01:07:39 PM
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hum i dont get it, doesnt the EVZ index represent EUR's volatility? or where can i get the eur/usd volatility data?
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June 30, 2015, 02:16:52 PM
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"this Rusty guy" is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusty_Russell

to make a long story short he wrote Linux kernel packets filtering system ipchains/iptables (aka Linux firewall), lguest virtualization system (ancestor of docker/lxc) and contribute to samba/cifs  (a way to let Linux and ms win talk together), just to name a few.

edit: fix misattribution about samba/cifs projecf

no, i know who he is.  i like his independent spirit.

just want to be sure Tongue

he's even still maintaining some linux's kernel subsystems:

Code:
LGUEST
M: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
L: lguest@lists.ozlabs.org
W: http://lguest.ozlabs.org/
S: Odd Fixes
...

MODULE SUPPORT
M: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
S: Maintained

...

PARAVIRT_OPS INTERFACE
...
M: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
L: virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
S: Supported

maybe the above lists is a little bit out of date (as quite frequently happens with
doc and meta info files contained in the linux's kernel tree), but this pull request
regard another subsystem (pinctrl) and it is as recent as today:

http://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg2022752.html

impressive.

 

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June 30, 2015, 02:41:27 PM
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GBTC coming off the bottom on it's highest volume ever yesterday:

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June 30, 2015, 02:42:44 PM
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trusty SLW going down the chute:

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June 30, 2015, 02:48:35 PM
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blocks full again with TPS unacceptably high --> unconf tx set ~ 3000, more than double normal.  pools taking defensive action.  when will Blockstream devs do something?:



Why do you call this "defensive" action?
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June 30, 2015, 02:52:38 PM
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curious.  i haven't heard any news of Greeks fleeing to gold.  of course, my news feed is biased towards Bitcoin.  nonetheless, i do read traditional sources and haven't heard a peep about that while Bitcoin buying articles seem to be abound.

that should tell you something.  and that is, with a standard internet connection, even in the presence of a Great Firewall of China which Greece doesn't have, ordinary citizens can easily find their way to Bitcoin buying sources.  the articles from yesterday were quoting business up 10x.  even Greeks are somehow buying gold in the background, i doubt it would be to that magnitude due to the increased ease, storage, transportation, safety, & speed of buying Bitcoin.

that shows us one other thing.  if blocks continue to get filled and inaccessible, then ordinary citizens at far ends of the Earth will not be able to buy Bitcoin when they need to.  sure, Greece isn't technically a 3rd world country but it's more towards that end of the spectrum nowadays than a developed country.

i spent all day watching blocks sizes and degree of fullness.  there was filling going on all day long with TPS bursting to 30TPS many times throughout the day as well as unconf tx's doubling even tripling.  2.3 TPS is the threshold for when the network starts having problems.

bottomline is, there will be much more demand coming from all over the world in quite near times to come.  Bitcoin has to be ready to scale.  Any forward looking person who understands business knows to look forward and prepare.  the fastest, simplest, most predictable, most easily understood way to do that is to increase the block size now.
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dammit.  here we go again upon just checking.  unconf tx's over 7000:

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June 30, 2015, 02:57:52 PM
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trusty 'ol Goldcorp gone off the cliff:

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Gold collapsing.  Bitcoin UP.
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