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June 22, 2015, 01:15:36 AM
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perhaps.  then a different solution will be made.  key thing about Bitcoin is that there are legions of smart, talented ppl working on it now with even more to come.

And legions of developers working to give us alternatives.

Luckily pegged side chains will make that a reality so we can ignore you.

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June 22, 2015, 01:16:08 AM
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I can't see a future with less than a thousand or so nodes.

I don't buy the "centralization" fears related to increased blocksize.

Because you don't factor in the government's ease of regulating 1000 permanently sited nodes compared to zillions of ephemeral nodes in a truly decentralized system.

Imagine that every major research university runs a full node. If you were this "scary, monolithic government" that you seem to fear, how would you go about controlling the software that scientists are running in their cryptocurrency labs?

Are you really serious asking that?

Yes.  And you didn't answer.  Specifically, how would you achieve this (remember, there are research universities in numerous legal jurisdictions and in order to be effective you have to control nodes at a lot of them)?

Observe and watch the G20 and world government take form (very slowly like death by a 1000 paper cuts). It will be sight to behold. Like a "1000 points of light" as Grandady Bush put it.

You continue to it oblivious and naive one.

You still didn't answer.

Come on, even I can think of plausible story [but one that I don't suspect will play out].

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June 22, 2015, 01:23:07 AM
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That's OK. Then we just cut back.

I'd rather try than not try at all.

Doubling block size every 2 years is cancer.

A closer match to SV40

A medical doctor who never understood the exponential function. On the Nth day the Lily pads covered 50% of the pond, so Cypherdoc proclaimed we had time to cut back, then we woke up and the pond was smothered. WTF? The exponential function.

And the only way he can keep that promise is to become a dictator. We'll at least their intentions are now mathematically inviolable.

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June 22, 2015, 01:25:01 AM
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I can't see a future with less than a thousand or so nodes.

I don't buy the "centralization" fears related to increased blocksize.

Because you don't factor in the government's ease of regulating 1000 permanently sited nodes compared to zillions of ephemeral nodes in a truly decentralized system.

Imagine that every major research university runs a full node. If you were this "scary, monolithic government" that you seem to fear, how would you go about controlling the software that scientists are running in their cryptocurrency labs?  I'm sure you could introduce several rouge nodes, but that wouldn't matter.  You have to control them all.  And then you need to control the nodes of the bitcoin companies, power users, and government agencies across the world. How are you going to do it, Anonymint?

Secondly, the ~1000 node scenario is not what I suspect will play out; it's just that even if that scenario does play out, the network could still be more decentralized than it is now.  



Did he bother to watch that video of the Chinese mine I posted earlier today?

He's a disinformation agent.
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June 22, 2015, 01:25:40 AM
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You still didn't answer.

I answered. Oblivious, naive ones don't see it as an answer.


Did he bother to watch that video of the Chinese mine I posted earlier today?

He's a disinformation agent.

Got to love that propaganda that China is not fully on board the NWO plans. (even if not, that the G20 couldn't filter traffic from China that didn't comply)

You protest much. Why? Trying to mind control the readers?

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June 22, 2015, 01:31:21 AM
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That's OK. Then we just cut back.

I'd rather try than not try at all.

Doubling block size every 2 years is cancer.

A closer match to SV40

A medical doctor who never understood the exponential function. On the Nth day the Lily pads covered 50% of the pond, so Cypherdoc proclaimed we had time to cut back, then we woke up and the pond was smothered. WTF? The exponential function.

And the only way he can keep that promise is to become a dictator. We'll at least their intentions are now mathematically inviolable.

And TPTB_NEED_WAR, a loud mouth disinformation agent who hides his face after being called out on it.

Skype address please.
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June 22, 2015, 01:37:06 AM
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Just wow.  I lacked the ability and interest to think up such stuff.

I lacked the cryptographic depth to dream up C.T., but I added to what they invented in terms of the consensus network. So yes we are all working hard towards fixing the shit you see happening now.

But I can't say I am working with any of them at this time. But the time may come soon...



my, such anger.

I don't do anger very much, but I will admit to being fairly passionate about Bitcoin.  I've been dicking around with it off and on for a long while and I've got something riding on it both in monetary and philosophical terms.

And you are surprised that fierce anger erupts when readers finally wake up and realize they've been fooled about such serious matters.

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June 22, 2015, 01:41:25 AM
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Merge mining, the hidden requested SC subsidy.

Won't be necessary. They don't know it yet.

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June 22, 2015, 01:45:48 AM
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It should  be obvious TPTB_need_war is desperately trying to discourage Bitcoin use.

Sorry dude, it isn't working and we're coiling for the next move.
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June 22, 2015, 01:47:31 AM
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It sounds be obvious TPTB_need_war is desperately trying to discourage Bitcoin use.

Nope. Go ahead. Make my day.

Sorry dude, it isn't working and we're coiling for the next move.

Me too... to < $150 (after a move to $315).

Then I will prepare for the recoil to new all time highs in 2017. In the meantime, I will be holding a coin that doesn't yet exist and besting BTC's ROI.

Good mornight aka I'm signing out.

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June 22, 2015, 01:52:01 AM
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It sounds be obvious TPTB_need_war is desperately trying to discourage Bitcoin use.

Nope. Go ahead. Make my day.

Sorry dude, it isn't working and we're coiling for the next move.

Me too... to < $150 (after a move to $315).

Then I will prepare for the recoil to new all time highs in 2017. In the meantime, I will be holding a coin that doesn't yet exist and besting BTC's ROI.

Good mornight aka I'm signing out.

ZOMG, I thought the world was ending with the NWO?

But my coin will save us all!

Lol!
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June 22, 2015, 01:55:09 AM
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But my coin will save us all!

Or "their" coin. Let's see what happens.

You are not up against one person. There is an army of developers that see the light (maybe not the NWO interpretation but the distributed != decentralized one at least).

Did Gavinmike think they could just fork the chain without forking the developers too? Duh.

The beauty of pegged side chains is we are not all working alone, even if we are.

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June 22, 2015, 03:27:22 AM
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How else do you think they foisted the lie of Man Made Global Temperature Change on us?



Bro, do you even blockchain?
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June 22, 2015, 04:01:52 AM
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And then you need to control the nodes of the bitcoin companies, power users, and government agencies across the world. How are you going to do it, Anonymint?

I can give you a specific example where they have done that.

Btw, how come every bank I visit any where in the world (or at least the super-majority of them) say, "sorry we can't open an account for you because you are a US citizen", or they otherwise comply with the USA's FATCA law reporting requirements? And you say that TPTB can't foist a global law yet they already have.

Also as smooth said, TPTB only need to control 51%.



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June 22, 2015, 05:08:59 AM
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And then you need to control the nodes of the bitcoin companies, power users, and government agencies across the world. How are you going to do it, Anonymint?

I can give you a specific example where they have done that.

Btw, how come every bank I visit any where in the world (or at least the super-majority of them) say, "sorry we can't open an account for you because you are a US citizen", or they otherwise comply with the USA's FATCA law reporting requirements? And you say that TPTB can't foist a global law yet they already have.

Also as smooth said, TPTB only need to control 51%.




And I view that example as a failure of US economic policy. Instead of the banks accepting those US customers and spying on them as originally intended, those foreign banks are doing the opposite of what the USG wants. It's rejecting those customers outright which makes their actions go dark as they figure out work arounds.

In effect,  the USG is losing its influence abroad.
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June 22, 2015, 06:41:30 AM
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And I view that example as a failure of US economic policy. Instead of the banks accepting those US customers and spying on them as originally intended, those foreign banks are doing the opposite of what the USG wants. It's rejecting those customers outright which makes their actions go dark as they figure out work arounds.

In effect,  the USG is losing its influence abroad.

How does forcing its own citizens into a corral correlate with USG losing its influence?

Clearly the policy was intended to shut off the escape routes for the citizens to escape tracking by the State, thus the refusal to accept US citizens is exactly what was intended.

The DEEP STATE in charge of the global NWO plan are squeezing the people of every nation between a Troika of powers, USA, China, and Russia.

And you are included in that squeeze. If you think they cut out a special deal for you, then you will learn how they turn on you when they done using you.

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The Spanish police are crazy...

There are lots of stories of blatant criminal activity, the craziest being about the British guy who had his brand new range rover towed, went to pay the fine and was told it was the judge’s decision on whether the car would be returned to him – nothing to do with the police at all.. a year or so later with the fines fully paid and an expensive court case going nowhere, the car was photographed driving down the street decked out with full police markings.. they didn’t even bother to change the license plate..  I’m not sure if he ever got it back.

REPLY: Yes, the stories about the police in Spain are over the top. They are hunting money like crazy. Governments are turning against their own people, defeating the very purpose of civilization. We did not agree to this arrangement; we are collapsing precisely as did Rome. Once government employees begin sacking their own cities, the end of times is near. They are stupid. They will not reform and cannot see that people will not tolerate this forever. The more aggressive they become, the higher the probability of revolutions erupting around the globe. Do not count on the media reporting the truth this time – they are on the wrong side of the fence.

ANSWER: Interesting question, I seem to get this a lot. It is all a question of perspective and opinion. People who argue on opinion and refuse to listen go down in flames. I was trained by my father on how to see the world, and by my clients as to how it functions.

I am a product of my environment. My father was an aid to General Patton who defeated the southern Swabian German General Erwin Rommel (1891–1944) who was highly regarded as having been a humane and professional officer. Rommel wrote a manual for officer instruction in infantry training, and in his personal time he wrote his book “Infanterie greift an” (“Infantry Attacks”), a description of the various actions he was involved with in the Great War, along with his observations. Patton read Rommel’s book and anticipated what he would do, which enable him to win the battle. My father always taught me to avoid opinion and keep an open mind for it is NOT what you think that matters; it is what your opponent believes. In my case, it is history. If they have done it before, they will do it again because human intellect produces the same series of solutions to the very reasoning that caused the event.

Having offices around the world and clients everywhere has forged me into what I am today, in that furnace of experience. You will see that in Socrates for you will have to select your currency and the recommendations and strategy MUST be based upon your perspective – not mine. Telling you the Dow will rise 25% but the dollar will fall 50% means nothing to an American and everything to a foreign investor.

So, the most valuable lesson I have learned is to LISTEN and try to see the world through the eyes of everyone else. That is the only way to function. It is like terrorists who truly believe they will be rewarded. You must understand it is not your opinion that matters.

This is why I say I will distinguish between my OPINION and what the computer projects. OPINION is not reliable. Until you learn that lesson, good luck in life.

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The WEC will be critical to surviving what comes next, not just a single day. The crazy period we face is 2015.75 into 2017.90.

We have been warning that we may see a Phase Transition in equities BEGIN with the 2015.75 and the FALSE MOVE. But this should be the PEAK in government – NOT the peak in markets outside of interest rates.

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June 22, 2015, 07:09:24 AM
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Doubling block size every 2 years is cancer.

A closer match to SV40

A medical doctor who never understood the exponential function. On the Nth day the Lily pads covered 50% of the pond, so Cypherdoc proclaimed we had time to cut back, then we woke up and the pond was smothered. WTF? The exponential function.


You trying to say cypherdoc is a medical doctor?  No fuckin way!

I was going to try to dig up the famous quote about the exponential function then it turns out it is front and center on the vid.

An interesting point that the vid mentioned was that things which display exponential growth for a while do not always retain it.  Oil was an example used.  I would postulate that bandwidth may also be one of these, and mostly associated with market demand.  Even back when I had options for high-speed internet I didn't even bother to upgrade.  What I had was suitable for my needs.  How much is the true need for being able to get HD movies at a rate 10x faster than they can be watched?  How much do people really need to have high definition be so high that it exceeds the capabilities of the human eye?  Yes it might be the case that people plug in to 3D virtual realities and what-not and that they could require exponentially more bandwidth, but realistically how fast is that going to happen?

On a different topic...I don't recall if you said you had MS or ALS.  In either case, I do recommend the following information if you've not run across it already.  Garth Nicolson:  weaponized mycoplasmas - snowshoe films.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT25HhAVhhU

This Nicolson guy gives every indication of being for real and knowing his shit.  I seeked around for some other material to verify this and did so successfully.

I personally am a gulf war I vet and I can tell you we got a ton of shots.  I never felt that they did me any harm and for a long time I wrote off the complaints as being from whiners.  Now not so much.

Until I saw the guys presentation I was not even aware of the organisms known as mycoplasmas and I pride myself on being aware of such things.  Just from a science point of view the presentation is quite interesting.  A decent way to kill an hour.


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June 22, 2015, 07:11:34 AM
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And I view that example as a failure of US economic policy. Instead of the banks accepting those US customers and spying on them as originally intended, those foreign banks are doing the opposite of what the USG wants. It's rejecting those customers outright which makes their actions go dark as they figure out work arounds.

In effect,  the USG is losing its influence abroad.

How does forcing its own citizens into a corral correlate with USG losing its influence?

Clearly the policy was intended to shut off the escape routes for the citizens to escape tracking by the State, thus the refusal to accept US citizens is exactly what was intended.

The DEEP STATE in charge of the global NWO plan are squeezing the people of every nation between a Troika of powers, USA, China, and Russia.

And you are included in that squeeze. If you think they cut out a special deal for you, then you will learn how they turn on you when they done using you.

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The Spanish police are crazy...

There are lots of stories of blatant criminal activity, the craziest being about the British guy who had his brand new range rover towed, went to pay the fine and was told it was the judge’s decision on whether the car would be returned to him – nothing to do with the police at all.. a year or so later with the fines fully paid and an expensive court case going nowhere, the car was photographed driving down the street decked out with full police markings.. they didn’t even bother to change the license plate..  I’m not sure if he ever got it back.

REPLY: Yes, the stories about the police in Spain are over the top. They are hunting money like crazy. Governments are turning against their own people, defeating the very purpose of civilization. We did not agree to this arrangement; we are collapsing precisely as did Rome. Once government employees begin sacking their own cities, the end of times is near. They are stupid. They will not reform and cannot see that people will not tolerate this forever. The more aggressive they become, the higher the probability of revolutions erupting around the globe. Do not count on the media reporting the truth this time – they are on the wrong side of the fence.

ANSWER: Interesting question, I seem to get this a lot. It is all a question of perspective and opinion. People who argue on opinion and refuse to listen go down in flames. I was trained by my father on how to see the world, and by my clients as to how it functions.

I am a product of my environment. My father was an aid to General Patton who defeated the southern Swabian German General Erwin Rommel (1891–1944) who was highly regarded as having been a humane and professional officer. Rommel wrote a manual for officer instruction in infantry training, and in his personal time he wrote his book “Infanterie greift an” (“Infantry Attacks”), a description of the various actions he was involved with in the Great War, along with his observations. Patton read Rommel’s book and anticipated what he would do, which enable him to win the battle. My father always taught me to avoid opinion and keep an open mind for it is NOT what you think that matters; it is what your opponent believes. In my case, it is history. If they have done it before, they will do it again because human intellect produces the same series of solutions to the very reasoning that caused the event.

Having offices around the world and clients everywhere has forged me into what I am today, in that furnace of experience. You will see that in Socrates for you will have to select your currency and the recommendations and strategy MUST be based upon your perspective – not mine. Telling you the Dow will rise 25% but the dollar will fall 50% means nothing to an American and everything to a foreign investor.

So, the most valuable lesson I have learned is to LISTEN and try to see the world through the eyes of everyone else. That is the only way to function. It is like terrorists who truly believe they will be rewarded. You must understand it is not your opinion that matters.

This is why I say I will distinguish between my OPINION and what the computer projects. OPINION is not reliable. Until you learn that lesson, good luck in life.

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The WEC will be critical to surviving what comes next, not just a single day. The crazy period we face is 2015.75 into 2017.90.

We have been warning that we may see a Phase Transition in equities BEGIN with the 2015.75 and the FALSE MOVE. But this should be the PEAK in government – NOT the peak in markets outside of interest rates.


No.

PeterR asked you this:

And then you need to control the nodes of the bitcoin companies, power users, and government agencies across the world. How are you going to do it, Anonymint?
No, see bolded.

Instead, you have him an answer where you thought the USG was successfully controlling gvts across the world but in fact had failed at doing so. These gvts instead rejected USG policy by turning away US customers.
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June 22, 2015, 07:16:34 AM
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I can't see a future with less than a thousand or so nodes.

I don't buy the "centralization" fears related to increased blocksize.

Because you don't factor in the government's ease of regulating 1000 permanently sited nodes compared to zillions of ephemeral nodes in a truly decentralized system.

Imagine that every major research university runs a full node. If you were this "scary, monolithic government" that you seem to fear, how would you go about controlling the software that scientists are running in their cryptocurrency labs?

Are you really serious asking that?

Did you not read the upthread discussion about how the universities are captured.

How else do you think they foisted the lie of Man Made Global Temperature Change on us?


Because scientists are not Truther-idiots and do not believe that changing the composition of the atmosphere does not lead to a change of the climate. One has to be an ideologue or an idiot to spread such formulas.

"Staat nenne ich's, wo alle Gifttrinker sind, Gute und Schlimme: Staat, wo alle sich selber verlieren, Gute und Schlimme:
Staat, wo der langsame Selbstmord aller – »das Leben« heisst."
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June 22, 2015, 08:05:43 AM
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New poll above reminder.

tvbcof's troll poll with a similar result.

"Staat nenne ich's, wo alle Gifttrinker sind, Gute und Schlimme: Staat, wo alle sich selber verlieren, Gute und Schlimme:
Staat, wo der langsame Selbstmord aller – »das Leben« heisst."
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