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June 16, 2015, 07:32:55 PM
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But just step back for a moment and ask yourself who in the hell had the power to do 9/11?

Anyone who took some flying lessons?

Fuck man. You haven't even done the most basic research.

Steel buildings with girders the width of your room don't collapse into a pile of dust from kerosene and impact with aluminum.

And they certainly don't do it straight down onto themselves perfectly every time (3 times in this case) and with complete collapse and all with free fall acceleration (no resistance).

And you are an engineer? Do you do not have a pocket calculator?

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June 16, 2015, 07:34:46 PM
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I did a sister thread with a poll which allows one to change their vote if they so choose.  Anyone who is interested, here's a link:

  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1091654.0

For ref, as I tap this out we are looking at the following results here:

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Question:    Will you support Gavin's recent block size hard fork proposal of 20MB by March 1, 2016?
1.  yes    260 (72.8%)
2.  no    97 (27.2%)
Total Voters: 357

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June 16, 2015, 07:38:47 PM
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And FYI the idea literally was written into a Tom Clancy novel years before (although IIRC it was Japan that attacked) so the terrorists did not even need to be creative
I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers that.

I remember as soon as I heard the news about planes crashing into the World Trade Center and Pentagon my first thought was, "wow, it's just like in Debt of Honor".

Even back then I thought the media narrative was hysterical and insane.

As you said, the idea of using planes to attack buildings wasn't exactly obscure - Tom Clancy was among the most popular authors of the 90s, and the world trade center been a target of terrorists attacks already.

People were acting like their entire world view had been shattered by the fact that terrorists finally succeded in destroying the building they'd been trying to destroy for a decade. Were they just not paying attention to the first two attempts?
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June 16, 2015, 07:46:24 PM
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And FYI the idea literally was written into a Tom Clancy novel years before (although IIRC it was Japan that attacked) so the terrorists did not even need to be creative
I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers that.

I remember as soon as I heard the news about planes crashing into the World Trade Center and Pentagon my first thought was, "wow, it's just like in Debt of Honor".

Even back then I thought the media narrative was hysterical and insane.

As you said, the idea of using planes to attack buildings wasn't exactly obscure - Tom Clancy was among the most popular authors of the 90s, and the world trade center been a target of terrorists attacks already.

People were acting like their entire world view had been shattered by the fact that terrorists finally succeded in destroying the building they'd been trying to destroy for a decade. Were they just not paying attention to the first two attempts?

And what does any of that have to do with the physical (civil and thermodynamics engineering) science of it all?

Those who accuse me of writing posts devoid of information then don't address posts like this which are disinformational.

How did the fires under the rubble as seen from IR satellite imagery burn so intensely hot and long without oxygen? What was the fuel?

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June 16, 2015, 07:48:45 PM
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But just step back for a moment and ask yourself who in the hell had the power to do 9/11?

Anyone who took some flying lessons?

Fuck man. You haven't even done the most basic research.

Steel buildings with girders the width of your room don't collapse into a pile of dust from kerosene and impact with aluminum.

And they certainly don't do it straight down onto themselves perfectly every time (3 times in this case) and with complete collapse and all with free fall acceleration (no resistance).

sure man.  After the planes hit some dudes with explosives ran UP the stairway ALL the way to where the fire was burning, planted the explosives, then ran all the way back down. /s  That's why if you look at the footage you'll see the building collapse started from the burn not from the bottom like when a building is demoed.

And yes absolutely kerosene and the vast quantity of flammable stuff in office buildings can heat steel to the point where it loses structural strength.  I've done it to the log holder in my fireplace just with office paper.

Ok I'm done with this conversation.  But my prior "joke" was meant partly seriously.  You have some interesting ideas at times but nobody is listening because you lack the ability to self-filter.  Nobody has the time to wade through hours of your blather to find the one or two gems.  They aren't valuable enough.
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June 16, 2015, 07:49:14 PM
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well then, do as you promised and go away.

No problem. Nothing more to be gained here.

I am eager and willing to debate with you in a verbal setting. I am proficient in speaking unlike Theymos. The problem is I think you are maybe working for a powerful entity. That is why I backed away from the Skype exchange.

this is how i know you are sick with paranoia, seeing shadows everywhere you turn:  

you actually know who i am, where i live, seen a picture of me, know my background, know i'm involved in a public lawsuit the docs of which you have have read, have 4.5 yrs worth of forum postings of me here and in other threads, and YET you still think i am part of a conspiracy.  tell me, do i fit the profile?  where is your logic in that regard?

you are definitely a nutcase.  all i see is fear, death, & destruction deep within you.

edit:  all of which you can verify during a Skype video if you were half the man you claim to be.
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June 16, 2015, 07:51:18 PM
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But just step back for a moment and ask yourself who in the hell had the power to do 9/11?

Anyone who took some flying lessons?

Fuck man. You haven't even done the most basic research.

Steel buildings with girders the width of your room don't collapse into a pile of dust from kerosene and impact with aluminum.

And they certainly don't do it straight down onto themselves perfectly every time (3 times in this case) and with complete collapse and all with free fall acceleration (no resistance).

sure man.  After the planes hit some dudes with explosives ran UP the stairway ALL the way to where the fire was burning, planted the explosives, then ran all the way back down. /s  That's why if you look at the footage you'll see the building collapse started from the burn not from the bottom like when a building is demoed.

And yes absolutely kerosene and the vast quantity of flammable stuff in office buildings can heat steel to the point where it loses structural strength.  I've done it to the log holder in my fireplace just with office paper.

Losing structural strength (i.e. bending and warping) does not result in free fall velocity (i.e. no resistance) and perfect implosion onto base footprint with perfect accuracy 3 times for 3 different buildings including one that wasn't hit by any airplane.

And it is well known the buildings were evacuated several times in the weeks leading up to the incident and groups of men were "working" in the elevator shafts.

Now it is becoming very clear who here is a disinformation agent (perhaps unwittingly I am not sure).

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June 16, 2015, 07:54:57 PM
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you actually know who i am, where i live, seen a picture of me, know my background, know i'm involved in a public lawsuit the docs of which you have have read, have 4.5 yrs worth of forum postings of me here and in other threads, and YET you still think i am part of a conspiracy.  tell me, do i fit the profile?  where is your logic in that regard?

I actually argued to the neurobiologist researcher that you are not. She told me your true affiliations would be clear by how you would respond to logic. I am still entertaining the possibility you are just extremely deluded (or compromised by some vested interest). I am more apt to argue that again, because of Occam's Razor.

I actually think most people here are just dumb sheep and unwittingly doing what they do.

But I am not sure.

You've seen my photos too and know who I am. So we are even. What can we gain in Skype? Do you really think you can out-debate me (lol). Not a chance in hell for you to win a debate with me. My father is an attorney. I inherited his logic (but not writing) skills.

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June 16, 2015, 07:55:50 PM
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And FYI the idea literally was written into a Tom Clancy novel years before (although IIRC it was Japan that attacked) so the terrorists did not even need to be creative
I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers that.

I remember as soon as I heard the news about planes crashing into the World Trade Center and Pentagon my first thought was, "wow, it's just like in Debt of Honor".

I never took an interest in fiction, but I did own a Hustler mag one time and remembered back to it when thinking about the 9/11 stuff.  In looking for it on-line I ran across this:

  http://canucwhatic.blogspot.com/2013/10/911-synchronicities-in-pop-culture-and.html

Maybe all the other stuff is made up, but I know the Hustler one is for real and I know the $20 bill folds into a rather amusing form because I've done it myself.

To conspiracy hypothesists this is known as 'predictive programming.'

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As for the twin towers and bldg 7, just about any still frame photo of the demo will make it pretty clear to anyone who has worked with their hands (on something other than their genitals) that it was not a gravity collapse.  As Anonymint says, there is so much more behind that.

Indeed, the 'official conspiracy theory' of a handful of Muslim trogs hiding out in caves half way around the world pulling it off really is completely laughable if one thinks about it even a little bit.


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June 16, 2015, 07:58:54 PM
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well then, do as you promised and go away.
How do you know if somebody will never, ever leave a thread?

If they write a post promising/threatening that they will.
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June 16, 2015, 08:03:56 PM
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well then, do as you promised and go away.
How do you know if somebody will never, ever leave a thread?

If they write a post promising/threatening that they will.

Why do you belabor this point instead of focusing on your errors about 9/11?

More disinformation noise to bury the undeniable facts of engineering stated?

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June 16, 2015, 08:04:28 PM
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But just step back for a moment and ask yourself who in the hell had the power to do 9/11?

Anyone who took some flying lessons?

Fuck man. You haven't even done the most basic research.

Steel buildings with girders the width of your room don't collapse into a pile of dust from kerosene and impact with aluminum.

And they certainly don't do it straight down onto themselves perfectly every time (3 times in this case) and with complete collapse and all with free fall acceleration (no resistance).

sure man.  After the planes hit some dudes with explosives ran UP the stairway ALL the way to where the fire was burning, planted the explosives, then ran all the way back down. /s  That's why if you look at the footage you'll see the building collapse started from the burn not from the bottom like when a building is demoed.

And yes absolutely kerosene and the vast quantity of flammable stuff in office buildings can heat steel to the point where it loses structural strength.  I've done it to the log holder in my fireplace just with office paper.

It's always shocked me how many 9/11 conspiracy theories people buy into, where there exists significantly more evidence that FDR knew of Pearl Harbor a day or so in advance, but allowed it to happen in order to push a reluctant US into war.

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Ok I'm done with this conversation.  But my prior "joke" was meant partly seriously.  You have some interesting ideas at times but nobody is listening because you lack the ability to self-filter.  Nobody has the time to wade through hours of your blather to find the one or two gems.  They aren't valuable enough.

Join the club, the thread is surprisingly clean once again after hitting that one little ignore button just that one time.
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June 16, 2015, 08:05:29 PM
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you actually know who i am, where i live, seen a picture of me, know my background, know i'm involved in a public lawsuit the docs of which you have have read, have 4.5 yrs worth of forum postings of me here and in other threads, and YET you still think i am part of a conspiracy.  tell me, do i fit the profile?  where is your logic in that regard?

I actually argued to the neurobiologist researcher that you are not. She told me your true affiliations would be clear by how you would respond to logic. I am still entertaining the possibility you are just extremely deluded (or compromised by some vested interest). I am more apt to argue that again, because of Occam's Razor.

I actually think most people here are just dumb sheep and unwittingly doing what they do.

But I am not sure.

You've seen my photos too and know who I am. So we are even. What can we gain in Skype? Do you really think you can out-debate me (lol). Not a chance in hell for you to win a debate with me. My father is an attorney. I inherited his logic (but not writing) skills.

no, given all the illogical obfuscation, attacks, and fallbacks to medical deficiencies, it is much more likely you are the disinformation agent. 

otherwise, you would not mind me viewing your face.
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June 16, 2015, 08:09:38 PM
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otherwise, you would not mind me viewing your face.

What is in it for me?

You just want to view my face and what satisfaction do I get.

Why not a public debate on video. That would be more fun. But I've been cautioned already that you are trying to draw me into a trap. My instinct is to debate you in public. But I may receive stern advice not to do it.

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June 16, 2015, 08:11:54 PM
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simple, you get to verify who i am.

I believe it is you in the pic who is posting. That isn't a benefit from my perspective.

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June 16, 2015, 08:12:20 PM
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otherwise, you would not mind me viewing your face.

What is in it for me?

You just want to view my face and what satisfaction do I get.

Why not a public debate on video. That would be more fun. But I've been cautioned already that you are trying to draw me into a trap. My instinct is to debate you in public. But I may receive stern advice not to do it.

simple you get to verify who i am.

stern advice?  from your handlers or Martin Armstrong's alter ego?  or your shrink?
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June 16, 2015, 08:13:12 PM
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Why do you belabor this point instead of focusing on your errors about 9/11?
You're right, I just checked and I misremembered something. There wasn't a second bombing attempt in 1998 - that was actually a robbery. So even though the buildings had been in the news twice in the decade prior to 9/11 there had been only one prior attempt by terrorists to destroy the towers.
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June 16, 2015, 08:13:23 PM
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simple, you get to verify who i am.

I believe it is you in the pic who is posting. That isn't a benefit from my perspective.

you'll get to prove to me that you're not Martin Armstrong.  then you can laugh at me as a conspiracy nut.
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June 16, 2015, 08:14:17 PM
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It's always shocked me how many 9/11 conspiracy theories people buy into, where there exists significantly more evidence that FDR knew of Pearl Harbor a day or so in advance, but allowed it to happen in order to push a reluctant US into war.


It is very likely that he did.  In my fairly rudimentary research on the matter I would say it's almost a certainty.  That's a leader's job.

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Later in the conversation, Gilbert recorded Goering's observations that the common people can always be manipulated into supporting and fighting wars by their political leaders:

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We got around to the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his attitude, I did not think that the common people are very thankful for leaders who bring them war and destruction.
"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

FDR had it easy in that he had someone (and a very foolish someone) who was actually able and willing to attack us.  Ah, the good old days.


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June 16, 2015, 08:14:30 PM
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It's always shocked me how many 9/11 conspiracy theories people buy into, where there exists significantly more evidence that FDR knew of Pearl Harbor a day or so in advance, but allowed it to happen in order to push a reluctant US into war.

And you studied the engineering facts in detail? Ignorant people are often shocked by reality. Haven't you experienced that with for example explaining Bitcoin to relatives back in 2012?

This is yet another example of why I tend to believe I am just dealing with unwitting sheep and not conscious disinformation.

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