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July 08, 2015, 03:19:25 AM
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this is a very important insight to understand when viewing the costs of the current spamming attacks going on in the network right now:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3chtdp/the_blocksize_cap_is_basically_worthless_for/csvqatg?context=3

IOW, the costs of the 1MB cap are much greater than advertised.  

consider all that spam stacked up in the mempool currently.  all this has been passed around to the entire network and full nodes have had to validate all that crap upon receipt and then store it in memory awaiting a block to clear it.  if the block doesn't come that incl that spam, it gets deleted within 24-48 hr returning the tx fees to the attacker.  note that the attacker doesn't even care to get the tx's cleared; he simply wants to cause all sorts of congestion (which he is getting) so as to disrupt and discourage new and existing user growth which prevents Bitcoin from squaring it's value thru Metcalfe's Law.  

fuck the fee mkt the mouth-breathing Cripplecoiner's spout off about.  the 1MB cap is much more expensive to honest Bitcoin.
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July 08, 2015, 03:54:18 AM
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Emergency, emergency!:

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July 08, 2015, 03:55:49 AM
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this is a very important insight to understand when viewing the costs of the current spamming attacks going on in the network right now:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3chtdp/the_blocksize_cap_is_basically_worthless_for/csvqatg?context=3

Not to start Cypherdoc foaming at the mouth but could the blocksize cap actually be worse than worthless given spammers and other attacks?  

The two ways I could think of are:

1. spammer posts txns that flood the network and then somehow invalidates, overwrites them (if you RBF by +1 satoshi would that use the same network bandwidth as a new txn, for just 1 extra satoshi?), or just expects that they age out before they hit the blockchain, saving himself the txn fee.

2. txns fill up expensive RAM for hours/days rather then be rapidly promoted to cheap practically-infinitely sized disk space (2 TB on a SSD just announced).

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July 08, 2015, 04:30:34 AM
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China in trouble:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-08/china-trade-halts-hit-2-2-trillion-as-state-intervention-fails
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July 08, 2015, 04:41:36 AM
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china markets getting wrekt againn  Shocked
Welcome back you've been missed.

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July 08, 2015, 05:26:52 AM
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Well, well, as I said you will all eat from the hand of my invention. Bye, bye mempools...

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July 08, 2015, 05:38:36 AM
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Uber!
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July 08, 2015, 08:38:50 AM
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hey, since everybody and their mother now knows i'm an eye doc, how's your diabetic retinopathy?  i was dying to ask you that 3 yr ago back in my cgminer days when you first revealed that.  but that was before HF. Tongue   that's right up my alley you know.
Well, after lots of laser shots each visit (I'm pretty sure the total was 100 or more) I stopped going (about 2 years ago?)
Yeah I should get around to going back again when I can afford it Tongue (before I go blind)

clinically significant diabetic macular edema is not a good thing.  you need to tighten those blood sugar levels.  yes, laser and occasionally intravitreal injections of Avastin can be helpful.  good luck.

kano, change your diet. Research the Paleo diet. Start with some Google searches:

Yes, goog idea. And then research the paleo life style. That was that time before this species evolved into a collectivist cartoon (nationalized homo oeconomicus) of itself. But don't worry, this pandemic disease will disappear as all pandemic diseases did.

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July 08, 2015, 09:24:24 AM
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Zarathustra, you and I would get along great, as long as I don't bring my computer. I essentially agree with you on the local community.

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July 08, 2015, 09:45:49 AM
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Uber!

Hope they join!

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3cimhq/uber_confirms_bitcoin_integration_already_in_the/

http://bitcoinist.net/uber-confirms-working-bitcoin-integration/
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July 08, 2015, 12:35:10 PM
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hey, since everybody and their mother now knows i'm an eye doc, how's your diabetic retinopathy?  i was dying to ask you that 3 yr ago back in my cgminer days when you first revealed that.  but that was before HF. Tongue   that's right up my alley you know.
Well, after lots of laser shots each visit (I'm pretty sure the total was 100 or more) I stopped going (about 2 years ago?)
Yeah I should get around to going back again when I can afford it Tongue (before I go blind)

clinically significant diabetic macular edema is not a good thing.  you need to tighten those blood sugar levels.  yes, laser and occasionally intravitreal injections of Avastin can be helpful.  good luck.

kano, change your diet.

Glad to see this. Besides the other health benefits, the psychobiotic effects of changing diet and microbe populations can be dramatic. Another easy and cheap thing to ferment is cucumber (skinned and pureed, put in a jar with loose lid for 2-4 days with water on top, usually no salt needed). Used to be just about everything was fermented, many of our bodies' functions are outsourced to cooperative bacteria that we've co-evolved with.

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Good advice!  

Lasers and Avastin only treat symptoms (and make other people rich).  

To cure the cause, TII diabetics should remediate (IE reboot) their unbalanced microbiomes ASAP.

My holistic prescription for Kano:

-regulate candida overgrowth by cutting dairy/sugar/flour to zero, while consuming copious amounts of probiotics (esp. L. acidophilus) and vitamin C/D

-Meals should be at least 51% raw/sprouted/fermented fruit/veg/nut/legume

-get a colloidal silver generator; drink large glasses at bedtime and between meals (never mix with probiotics...it kills them too)

-avoid tap water treated with chlorine/chloramine as it also decimates good bacteria

-use your homemade or commercially manufactured colloidal silver (MesoSilver is the best) for eye drops and administer every two hours.  Easing the burden on the eyes' immune system will facilitate their healing. See http://www.thesilveredge.com/colloidal-silver-and-diabetes.shtml and http://treato.com/Colloidal+Silver,Edema/?a=s for details.

-walk at least a mile, twice a day

-one 24hr fast weekly and one 48hr/month

-take bilberry and lutein supplements to maintain/rebuild eye tissue.  Silica and MSM wouldn't hurt either.

This regime may also help trendy pseudo-celiacs and fat, lazy, diseased first worlders in general.

The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy.  David Chaum 1996
Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014
"Monero" : { Private - Auditable - 100% Fungible - Flexible Blocksize - Wild & Free® - Intro - Wallets - Podcats - Roadmap - Dice - Blackjack - Github - Android }


Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016
Blocks must necessarily be full for the Bitcoin network to be able to pay for its own security.  davout 2015
Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


"I believed @Dashpay instamine was a bug & not a feature but then read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13017231#msg13017231
I'm not against people making money, but can't support questionable origins."
https://twitter.com/Tone_LLT/status/717822927908024320


The raison d'être of bitcoin is trustlessness. - Eric Lombrozo 2015
It is an Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be “Above the Law”  Paul Sztorc 2015
Resiliency, not efficiency, is the paramount goal of decentralized, non-state sanctioned currency -Jon Matonis 2015

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

The only way to make software secure, reliable, and fast is to make it small. Fight Features. - Andy Tanenbaum 2004

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July 08, 2015, 12:40:31 PM
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Type 1 for 30 years
(my brother who died from terminal cancer recently was Type 1 for 53 years)

Edit: Coinbase sig: https://blockchain.info/tx/845b02a3d4145c4ecc19a52ebbd7a517fbb53e299d22e89aa97415094a9a1447
Oh cool I never noticed ... we orphaned an antpool block with that one Cheesy

(and in this one also https://blockchain.info/tx/2440bce291629cd80408490706dda247f2ae2bc406bdc57a6f884c9f9f4d4241 )

Pool: https://kano.is BTC: 1KanoiBupPiZfkwqB7rfLXAzPnoTshAVmb
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July 08, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
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Rusty's rocking, really.


http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=515
"Bitcoin Core CPU Usage With Larger Blocks"


http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=522
The Megatransaction: Why Does It Take 25 Seconds?

from the latter:

Quote from: Rusty Russell
This problem is far worse if blocks were 8MB: an 8MB transaction with 22,500 inputs and 3.95MB of outputs takes over 11 minutes to hash.
If you can mine one of those, you can keep competitors off your heels forever, and own the bitcoin network… Well, probably not.  But there'd
be a lot of emergency patching, forking and screaming…

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My holistic prescription for Kano:

-regulate candida overgrowth by cutting dairy/sugar/flour to zero, while consuming copious amounts of probiotics (esp. L. acidophilus) and vitamin C/D

-Meals should be at least 51% raw/sprouted/fermented fruit/veg/nut/legume

-get a colloidal silver generator; drink large glasses at bedtime and between meals (never mix with probiotics...it kills them too)

Yes, accumulate silver in your body as much as possible:

http://rosemaryjacobs.com/

Good luck!

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July 08, 2015, 01:01:51 PM
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Type 1 for 30 years
(my brother who died from terminal cancer recently was Type 1 for 50 years)

Working against genetic factors is more difficult, but the auto-immune aspects may be ameliorated (or at minimum, not exacerbated) by maintaining a top shelf microbiome.

Here's a great service that will sequence your shit and provide demographic/symptomatic context:

http://ubiome.com/

We don't have a cure yet, but this promising new area of research is a welcome addition to the tool belt.

The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy.  David Chaum 1996
Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014
"Monero" : { Private - Auditable - 100% Fungible - Flexible Blocksize - Wild & Free® - Intro - Wallets - Podcats - Roadmap - Dice - Blackjack - Github - Android }


Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016
Blocks must necessarily be full for the Bitcoin network to be able to pay for its own security.  davout 2015
Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


"I believed @Dashpay instamine was a bug & not a feature but then read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13017231#msg13017231
I'm not against people making money, but can't support questionable origins."
https://twitter.com/Tone_LLT/status/717822927908024320


The raison d'être of bitcoin is trustlessness. - Eric Lombrozo 2015
It is an Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be “Above the Law”  Paul Sztorc 2015
Resiliency, not efficiency, is the paramount goal of decentralized, non-state sanctioned currency -Jon Matonis 2015

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

The only way to make software secure, reliable, and fast is to make it small. Fight Features. - Andy Tanenbaum 2004

"Hard forks cannot be co
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July 08, 2015, 01:39:59 PM
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Yes, accumulate silver in your body as much as possible:

http://rosemaryjacobs.com/

Good luck!

Nobody said anything about accumulating in your body as much silver as possible.

Argyria is only an issue with untested, poorly made CS that contains huge unprocessable particles and/or absurdly high ppm.

The generator and commercial product I linked provide CS at about 10-20 ppm, mostly in nano-scale clusters of 5-20 atoms.  You piss/sweat them out.

It is not possible to contract argyria from such low (near-zero) concentrations; the amount of CS needed would rapidly cause death by water intoxication long before any grey tinge.

Millions of people use CS, but do you see grey people at Wal-Mart?  Please, spare us the Reefer Madness tropes!   Cheesy

You don't have to be Paracelsus to understand the dose makes the poison. 

LOL, what a clueless old bitch:

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What exactly was in the nose drops that you took? What was the brand name? Did they contain silver salts, nitrates, protein binders or were they small particles of silver suspended in water? How much did you take?

As I explain on my webpage, I do not know the answers to these questions. All I know is that they contained silver

Stupid old bitch takes [god-knows-how-much] of [god-knows-what], turns grey, blames an ancient and still widely used product, then starts a 13 year crusade to blame everyone else for her stupidity.  Film at 11!   Roll Eyes

The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy.  David Chaum 1996
Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014
"Monero" : { Private - Auditable - 100% Fungible - Flexible Blocksize - Wild & Free® - Intro - Wallets - Podcats - Roadmap - Dice - Blackjack - Github - Android }


Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016
Blocks must necessarily be full for the Bitcoin network to be able to pay for its own security.  davout 2015
Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


"I believed @Dashpay instamine was a bug & not a feature but then read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13017231#msg13017231
I'm not against people making money, but can't support questionable origins."
https://twitter.com/Tone_LLT/status/717822927908024320


The raison d'être of bitcoin is trustlessness. - Eric Lombrozo 2015
It is an Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be “Above the Law”  Paul Sztorc 2015
Resiliency, not efficiency, is the paramount goal of decentralized, non-state sanctioned currency -Jon Matonis 2015

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

The only way to make software secure, reliable, and fast is to make it small. Fight Features. - Andy Tanenbaum 2004

"Hard forks cannot be co
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kano, change your diet. Research the Paleo diet. Start with some Google searches:
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Then start fermenting cabbage or some food and eating it daily, along with your Paleo diet, because good bacteria appears to be one of the keys.

Also drastically increase your exercise.

Also consider a fecal transplant.

I am only eating sweet "potato" alias camote for carbohydrates. I am eating mostly chicken soup with cabbage and small mackerel-like fish fried whole (head and tail, crunchy). I eat green leafy vegetables with every meal.

I eat terribly poorly and use so much salt on nearly everything that accd to several of my girlfriends my cum is salty.  None-the-less, I seem to be as healthy as a horse, knock on wood.

I figure that my shit is top quality and would, for a modest fee, donate some of it to a select handful of persons from this forum.  Especially those having played a role in shilling or coding for mining gear scammers.  Top quality shit like mine could be taken orally and as a side benefit, it doesn't seem to stink.


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July 08, 2015, 03:43:18 PM
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I just heard the NYSE halted trading.

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