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June 18, 2015, 02:02:06 PM
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The reason humans can't impact the CLIMATE with CO2 is because our release of CO2 is miniscule in comparison to the CO2 absorbed and released by for example the oceans due to changes in the sea temperature due to the Sun.

Complete Bullshit. That is the natural carbon circulation. Taking carbon out of the ground and transport it into the atmosphere and the ocean means to enrich the atmosphere and the ocean with additional carbon. Every child understands it.
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The reason humans can't impact the CLIMATE with CO2 is because our release of CO2 is miniscule in comparison to the CO2 absorbed and released by for example the oceans due to changes in the sea temperature due to the Sun.

Complete Bullshit. That is the natural carbon circulation. Taking carbon out of the ground and transport it into the atmosphere and the ocean means to enrich the atmosphere and the ocean with carbon. Every child understands it.

Thanks for calling this bullshit out.

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June 18, 2015, 02:12:03 PM
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And you are incorrect to assume that Zaradude was arguing about environment. He is not.

I was arguing about the climate of the environment, just as Nassim Taleb:

But the skepticism about models that I propose does not lead to the same conclusions as the ones endorsed by anti-environmentalists, pro-market fundamentalists, quite the contrary: we need to be hyper-conservationists ecologically, super-Green, since we do not know what we are harming with now.

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And you are incorrect to assume that Zaradude was arguing about environment. He is not.

I was arguing about the climate of the environment, just as Nassim Taleb:

But the skepticism about models that I propose does not lead to the same conclusions as the ones endorsed by anti-environmentalists, pro-market fundamentalists, quite the contrary: we need to be hyper-conservationists ecologically, super-Green, since we do not know what we are harming with now.



I think we can all agree that "green initiatives" can lead to greater environmental harm through subsidies and waste, and that systems like carbon credits probably serve to enrich and empower such regulators, but it is still crucially importantly to be aware of our individual and collective impact upon Mother Earth (for example, realizing everything's means to their ends) regardless of said political pandering.

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June 18, 2015, 02:22:03 PM
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And you are incorrect to assume that Zaradude was arguing about environment. He is not.

I was arguing about the climate of the environment, just as Nassim Taleb:

But the skepticism about models that I propose does not lead to the same conclusions as the ones endorsed by anti-environmentalists, pro-market fundamentalists, quite the contrary: we need to be hyper-conservationists ecologically, super-Green, since we do not know what we are harming with now.



I think we can all agree that "green initiatives" can lead to greater environmental harm through subsidies and waste, and that systems like carbon credits probably serve to enrich and empower such regulators, but it is still crucially importantly to be aware of our individual and collective impact upon Mother Earth (for example, realizing everything's means to their ends) regardless of said political pandering.

I think we can all agree that Nassim Taleb is saying: We should not enrich the atmosphere with additional carbon, since we do not know the result of such crazy experiments.
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June 18, 2015, 02:29:38 PM
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And you are incorrect to assume that Zaradude was arguing about environment. He is not.

I was arguing about the climate of the environment, just as Nassim Taleb:

But the skepticism about models that I propose does not lead to the same conclusions as the ones endorsed by anti-environmentalists, pro-market fundamentalists, quite the contrary: we need to be hyper-conservationists ecologically, super-Green, since we do not know what we are harming with now.



I think we can all agree that "green initiatives" can lead to greater environmental harm through subsidies and waste, and that systems like carbon credits probably serve to enrich and empower such regulators, but it is still crucially importantly to be aware of our individual and collective impact upon Mother Earth (for example, realizing everything's means to their ends) regardless of said political pandering.

I think we can all agree that Nassim Taleb is saying: We should not enrich the atmosphere with additional carbon, since we do not know the result of such crazy experiments.

My guess is that if increased carbon creating more of a greenhouse effect raises temperature (entropy) on Earth, it raises the carrying capacity of Earth for CO2 sequestrating plants and microbes, increasing the collective metabolic activity of such organisms to eventually check such emissions. I think that the emissions systems we have now do not account for the public cost of emissions and general tragedy of the commons (if demonstrable), and if that were priced in somehow fairly, that might check and smooth carbon emissions and eliminate more serious pollutants. I don't 100% trust Gore's carbon credits though. It also does not account for pollutant emissions really as far as I don't know.

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June 18, 2015, 02:33:43 PM
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This is why I know only my design can scale the network effects.

I do not view Bitcoin as much of a threat. The only thing that compete with me is a pegged BTC side chain.

Each day before your genesis block, the Bitcoin network effect grows.
Maybe Bitcoin isn't a threat to your proposal today, but what day can we mine yours?

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I think the green industry is kinda a farce anyway.
I myself have bought solars on the roof and am trying to hold back on plastic use if its possible at all.
However the industry has found a nice loophole.
They simply can buy mass fake green certificates which are available with huge numbers from countries who never ever can make up that numbers EVER.
Especially the power producers still hide the fact that most of the energy is coming from not so clean cool, gas and nuclear plants.
The fact that several countries and mostly companies do not give a rats ass what happens to the planet does show where it will lead.
Everyday you read about mass dying of animals, birds and fish but only a few care...
If humanity does not make a choice on the right path soon, the planet will eventually become a death one.
Look at huge parts of the oceans where once huge schools of fish where swimming. Now science shows only a certain yelly fish is capable of survive there.
Does this involve mining crypto coins, yes it does. The miners should at least try to get geothermal, wind ,water ,solar or any means possible to get it without burning massive amounts of oil, gas, coal or other massive polluting energy.
Because i still am sure that most of the largest energy burning industry on the planet do not care one bit about that.  
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June 18, 2015, 03:52:03 PM
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The reason humans can't impact the CLIMATE with CO2 is because our release of CO2 is miniscule in comparison to the CO2 absorbed and released by for example the oceans due to changes in the sea temperature due to the Sun.

Complete Bullshit. That is the natural carbon circulation. Taking carbon out of the ground and transport it into the atmosphere and the ocean means to enrich the atmosphere and the ocean with carbon. Every child understands it.

Thanks for calling this bullshit out.

I never heard the misused term 'enrich' abused to mischaracterize trace amounts.

Other than syntactical strawmen, do you have any scientific point?

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June 18, 2015, 03:59:05 PM
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And you are incorrect to assume that Zaradude was arguing about environment. He is not.

I was arguing about the climate of the environment, just as Nassim Taleb:

But the skepticism about models that I propose does not lead to the same conclusions as the ones endorsed by anti-environmentalists, pro-market fundamentalists, quite the contrary: we need to be hyper-conservationists ecologically, super-Green, since we do not know what we are harming with now.



I think we can all agree that "green initiatives" can lead to greater environmental harm through subsidies and waste, and that systems like carbon credits probably serve to enrich and empower such regulators, but it is still crucially importantly to be aware of our individual and collective impact upon Mother Earth (for example, realizing everything's means to their ends) regardless of said political pandering.

I think we can all agree that Nassim Taleb is saying: We should not enrich the atmosphere with additional carbon, since we do not know the result of such crazy experiments.

My guess is that if increased carbon creating more of a greenhouse effect raises temperature (entropy) on Earth, it raises the carrying capacity of Earth for CO2 sequestrating plants and microbes, increasing the collective metabolic activity of such organisms to eventually check such emissions.

Indeed global warming is positive (instead we are actually facing global cooling due to the Sun spot activity declining and the magnetic pole moving from Siberia towards North America). They were growing grapes in the UK instead of skating on ice in the Thames river.

Anyone who has survived a winter in the Arctic and a summer in the tropics understands warmer is more prosperous and easier for mankind. Airconditioning is such a miniscule cost compared to the entropy of the earth.

And indeed the earth is a self-regulating system, except for the external heat transferred from the Sun. So there is nothing we humans can do that the Earth can't incorporate into what is 'natural'. Even Chernobyl has shown the animals come back and flourish if we nuke the planet.

The Malthusians (and their fear mongering FUD) have ALWAYS been wrong and ALWAYS will be. Their FUD is always about foisting some collectivism on us, so they can implement their other politically correct ideological crap such as feminism, gay-rights, etc.. (hey gays and heterosexuals don't need any rights, if they want to fornicate then go right ahead, and who gives a flea's arse about a marriage certificate that is for slaves...haven't you read even in the Bible it says once they are bonded in the flesh, let no man undo what God aka nature hath done).

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June 18, 2015, 04:12:48 PM
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Everyday you read about mass dying of animals, birds and fish but only a few care...

And you never hear about the mass birth of animals, birds, and fish ongoing as we speak (in fact the population of animals on this planet is increasing...you just might not like that many are farm raised...so change your food buying habits!!). Nor do you study the history of repeating mass deaths of everything throughout recorded history.

FUD, FUD, FUD.

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http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34220013/
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I would not and did not offer that advice to supporters of Core. I instead advised they try to use their remaining clout to get consensus around an increase where they still have commit access.

Core supporters should immediately release a fork with 8Mb blocks or some automated schedule of block size increases.

This is the only way they can diffuse the power grab which they are most likely going to lose otherwise (MPEX's Gavinshort as one potential wildcard).

But they painted themselves into a corner by saying that no changes should come without entire consensus before hand. They really lost the chess match. I could see precisely what Hearn et al was baiting Adam to write. And damn if he fell right into the trap.

I am sending a link of this post to both Adam and Greg. Then I won't bother them again.

Your advice is teaching them how to lose. Clever. But I am calling you out.

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I would not and did not offer that advice to supporters of Core. I instead advised they try to use their remaining clout to get consensus around an increase where they still have commit access.

Core supporters should immediately release a fork with 8Mb blocks or some automated schedule of block size increases.

This is the only way they can diffuse the power grab which they are most likely going to lose otherwise (MPEX's Gavinshort as one potential wildcard).

But they painted themselves into a corner by saying that no changes should come without entire consensus before hand. They really lost the chess match. I could see precisely what Hearn et al was baiting Adam to write. And damn if he fell right into the trap.

I am sending a link of this post to both Adam and Greg. Then I won't bother them again.

Your advice is teaching them how to lose. Clever. But I am calling you out.
Hopefully at least some of them won't be so unable or unwilling to understand this isn't a either-or situation.

The relevant question is: who is going to produce the software which the Bitcoin economic majority will choose to use?

The answer could be the existing Bitcoin Core developers.
The answer could be Mike and Gavin.

The answer could just as easily be none of the above.

Anybody involved who does not act with that understanding in mind is very likely to lose any ability they would otherwise have to do good things for Bitcoin.
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June 18, 2015, 05:03:11 PM
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Check out the linear buy ramp on bitfinex.  Anyone think a whale is accumulating?

http://www.bitcoinity.org/markets/bitfinex/USD

talk about bullish posturing:

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Well said!
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Very well said. Thanks
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Just had some limit buy orders for GBTC hit in my IRA. God help me I now own* my first Bitcoin through a 3rd party intermediary I have to trust (* own as in have a legal claim to, but lack possession and thus lack true ownership).

The premium has come down a lot, my purchase was only ~$35 over coinbase's spot price. What's strange is my buy is below the day's low being reported...

Please don't f me Barry.
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Well the vested interest is very clear. You don't really give a hoot about what happens to the world (even though you convince yourself otherwise). You want Bitcoin to the moon because you feel it is the easiest way for you to make ROI. Volatile altcoins or other investments would be so much more difficult than the...

The sure thing.

Until it is not...

Yeah buy this deadcat ramp to $315. (which I told you in May was coming as predicted by Armstrong's model of public vs. private assets)

After that, it will get much more interesting.  Cool

(and buying an IRA that will be confiscated by ObamaHillary Clinton, lol)

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Thanks!  It was a very succinct way of offering support to Justus without dropping the trivial +1 moniker.  In fact, about 50% shorter than your showing of support of my support.  If you practice a bit, I'm sure you'll discover how to get to the brevity, the essence, no no can I even claim  --- the Zen mastery --- of encouragement postings.  Grin
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