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June 16, 2015, 08:04:28 PM
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But just step back for a moment and ask yourself who in the hell had the power to do 9/11?

Anyone who took some flying lessons?

Fuck man. You haven't even done the most basic research.

Steel buildings with girders the width of your room don't collapse into a pile of dust from kerosene and impact with aluminum.

And they certainly don't do it straight down onto themselves perfectly every time (3 times in this case) and with complete collapse and all with free fall acceleration (no resistance).

sure man.  After the planes hit some dudes with explosives ran UP the stairway ALL the way to where the fire was burning, planted the explosives, then ran all the way back down. /s  That's why if you look at the footage you'll see the building collapse started from the burn not from the bottom like when a building is demoed.

And yes absolutely kerosene and the vast quantity of flammable stuff in office buildings can heat steel to the point where it loses structural strength.  I've done it to the log holder in my fireplace just with office paper.

It's always shocked me how many 9/11 conspiracy theories people buy into, where there exists significantly more evidence that FDR knew of Pearl Harbor a day or so in advance, but allowed it to happen in order to push a reluctant US into war.

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Ok I'm done with this conversation.  But my prior "joke" was meant partly seriously.  You have some interesting ideas at times but nobody is listening because you lack the ability to self-filter.  Nobody has the time to wade through hours of your blather to find the one or two gems.  They aren't valuable enough.

Join the club, the thread is surprisingly clean once again after hitting that one little ignore button just that one time.
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June 16, 2015, 08:05:29 PM
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you actually know who i am, where i live, seen a picture of me, know my background, know i'm involved in a public lawsuit the docs of which you have have read, have 4.5 yrs worth of forum postings of me here and in other threads, and YET you still think i am part of a conspiracy.  tell me, do i fit the profile?  where is your logic in that regard?

I actually argued to the neurobiologist researcher that you are not. She told me your true affiliations would be clear by how you would respond to logic. I am still entertaining the possibility you are just extremely deluded (or compromised by some vested interest). I am more apt to argue that again, because of Occam's Razor.

I actually think most people here are just dumb sheep and unwittingly doing what they do.

But I am not sure.

You've seen my photos too and know who I am. So we are even. What can we gain in Skype? Do you really think you can out-debate me (lol). Not a chance in hell for you to win a debate with me. My father is an attorney. I inherited his logic (but not writing) skills.

no, given all the illogical obfuscation, attacks, and fallbacks to medical deficiencies, it is much more likely you are the disinformation agent. 

otherwise, you would not mind me viewing your face.
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June 16, 2015, 08:09:38 PM
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otherwise, you would not mind me viewing your face.

What is in it for me?

You just want to view my face and what satisfaction do I get.

Why not a public debate on video. That would be more fun. But I've been cautioned already that you are trying to draw me into a trap. My instinct is to debate you in public. But I may receive stern advice not to do it.

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June 16, 2015, 08:11:54 PM
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simple, you get to verify who i am.

I believe it is you in the pic who is posting. That isn't a benefit from my perspective.

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June 16, 2015, 08:12:20 PM
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otherwise, you would not mind me viewing your face.

What is in it for me?

You just want to view my face and what satisfaction do I get.

Why not a public debate on video. That would be more fun. But I've been cautioned already that you are trying to draw me into a trap. My instinct is to debate you in public. But I may receive stern advice not to do it.

simple you get to verify who i am.

stern advice?  from your handlers or Martin Armstrong's alter ego?  or your shrink?
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June 16, 2015, 08:13:12 PM
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Why do you belabor this point instead of focusing on your errors about 9/11?
You're right, I just checked and I misremembered something. There wasn't a second bombing attempt in 1998 - that was actually a robbery. So even though the buildings had been in the news twice in the decade prior to 9/11 there had been only one prior attempt by terrorists to destroy the towers.
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June 16, 2015, 08:13:23 PM
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simple, you get to verify who i am.

I believe it is you in the pic who is posting. That isn't a benefit from my perspective.

you'll get to prove to me that you're not Martin Armstrong.  then you can laugh at me as a conspiracy nut.
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June 16, 2015, 08:14:17 PM
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It's always shocked me how many 9/11 conspiracy theories people buy into, where there exists significantly more evidence that FDR knew of Pearl Harbor a day or so in advance, but allowed it to happen in order to push a reluctant US into war.


It is very likely that he did.  In my fairly rudimentary research on the matter I would say it's almost a certainty.  That's a leader's job.

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Later in the conversation, Gilbert recorded Goering's observations that the common people can always be manipulated into supporting and fighting wars by their political leaders:

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We got around to the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his attitude, I did not think that the common people are very thankful for leaders who bring them war and destruction.
"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

FDR had it easy in that he had someone (and a very foolish someone) who was actually able and willing to attack us.  Ah, the good old days.


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June 16, 2015, 08:14:30 PM
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It's always shocked me how many 9/11 conspiracy theories people buy into, where there exists significantly more evidence that FDR knew of Pearl Harbor a day or so in advance, but allowed it to happen in order to push a reluctant US into war.

And you studied the engineering facts in detail? Ignorant people are often shocked by reality. Haven't you experienced that with for example explaining Bitcoin to relatives back in 2012?

This is yet another example of why I tend to believe I am just dealing with unwitting sheep and not conscious disinformation.

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June 16, 2015, 08:20:04 PM
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simple, you get to verify who i am.

I believe it is you in the pic who is posting. That isn't a benefit from my perspective.

you'll get to prove to me that you're not Martin Armstrong.  then you can laugh at me as a conspiracy nut.

Wow she was correct. She told me you were building that which you knew was false as a bait to lure me in.

the paranoia runs high in this one...BOO!!!
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June 16, 2015, 08:22:03 PM
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I'm not sure there is much rational behind this logic, seems pretty similar to the coincidental Cypriot rise? Still it's getting some media coverage so worth a look

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-16/bitcoin-spikes-greeks-follow-cyprus-template

go figure?
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June 16, 2015, 08:22:14 PM
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the paranoia runs high in this one...BOO!!!

Come on man. Armstrong never posts in any forum any where on earth. He has stated he doesn't follow others. He is in his own world. His site gets as much traffic as this site does. He doesn't need to come here and dilute his message and waste his time.

You know very well I am not Armstrong.

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June 16, 2015, 08:23:14 PM
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I'm not sure there is much rational behind this logic, seems pretty similar to the coincidental Cypriot rise? Still it's getting some media coverage so worth a look

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-16/bitcoin-spikes-greeks-follow-cyprus-template

go figure?

Well given I wrote in May that Bitcoin would rally in June or July (at max up to $320ish) because of Greece, I would say you are late to the game.

There is an initial synergy for private assets, but the contagion coming will pull liquidity out of the most liquid (real, not leveraged) assets, i.e. gold and Bitcoin. Repeat of 2008 for gold and silver and other private assets that didn't exist. We will head down again to lower lows.

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June 16, 2015, 08:24:51 PM
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BOO!!!

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June 16, 2015, 08:26:23 PM
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BOO!!!



Haha! Okay. I will accept you are just in your own little world here. Good luck.

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June 16, 2015, 08:31:25 PM
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Why do you belabor this point instead of focusing on your errors about 9/11?
You're right, I just checked and I misremembered something. There wasn't a second bombing attempt in 1998 - that was actually a robbery. So even though the buildings had been in the news twice in the decade prior to 9/11 there had been only one prior attempt by terrorists to destroy the towers.

But why are you focused on circumstantial innuendo and not on the hard physical science of it?

I couldn't move on with my life until I had researched the hard science of it. I just had to know. I don't understand why others would be so apathetic?

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June 16, 2015, 08:38:09 PM
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For the expansionist here, what do you think?  Should we compromise at 8MB?  Personally I am ok with that, esp if an automatic periodic increase is baked in.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114577/chinese-mining-pools-propose-alternative-8-mb-block-size

EDIT: page 1337!  gotta have something substantive on it :-)
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June 16, 2015, 08:39:51 PM
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For the expansionist here, what do you think?  Should we compromise at 8MB?  Personally I am ok with that, esp if an automatic periodic increase is baked in.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114577/chinese-mining-pools-propose-alternative-8-mb-block-size

EDIT: page 1337!  gotta have something substantive on it :-)

i'm ok with it with the automatic expansion.  but i'm alittle concerned with the miner voting for expansion.  why just them and is voting really the way we want to go?
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June 16, 2015, 08:40:30 PM
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the paranoia runs high in this one...BOO!!!

Come on man. Armstrong never posts in any forum any where on earth. He has stated he doesn't follow others. He is in his own world. His site gets as much traffic as this site does. He doesn't need to come here and dilute his message and waste his time.

You know very well I am not Armstrong.

then prove it with the Skype.
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June 16, 2015, 08:40:45 PM
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But why are you focused on circumstantial innuendo and not on the hard physical science of it?

I couldn't move on with my life until I had researched the hard science of it. I just had to know. I don't understand why others would be so apathetic?
Because ultimately I will never have access to the evidence or the expertise to evaluate it, and most importantly: I don't care if it was Saudi terrorists or American terrorists who planned the attacks.

Even if the US government is 100% responsible for 9/11, it has done far worse than kill those 3000 people, both before and after the event.

So focusing on whether or not they are responsible is a bit like obsessing over whether or not a serial killer also deserves a parking ticket.
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