Why do islam hates people?

[Wilikon]

thanx i also love those and listen to them.btw i edited my message ,better you look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Saj0eaPN04o

 

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[BADecker]

'Cause everyone wants to be on the side of the winner, and NOT on the side of the loser, and Russia is sorely beating ISIS.

 

[Wilikon]

'Cause everyone wants to be on the side of the winner, and NOT on the side of the loser, and Russia is sorely beating ISIS.

 

Feel free to add a music link to fight the devil back!

 

[BADecker]

'Cause everyone wants to be on the side of the winner, and NOT on the side of the loser, and Russia is sorely beating ISIS.

 

Feel free to add a music link to fight the devil back!

 

Beethoven couldn't hear the music he wrote or played on piano. He was deaf.

 

[thinkinger]

thanx i also love those and listen to them.btw i edited my message ,better you look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Saj0eaPN04o

 

i also love her music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-2mBX3gI0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X2XhHXnf8E

[Wilikon]

'Cause everyone wants to be on the side of the winner, and NOT on the side of the loser, and Russia is sorely beating ISIS.

 

Feel free to add a music link to fight the devil back!

 

Beethoven couldn't hear the music he wrote or played on piano. He was deaf.

 

The only reason you should be sad is not to be able to hear what he was hearing...

[BADecker]

'Cause everyone wants to be on the side of the winner, and NOT on the side of the loser, and Russia is sorely beating ISIS.

 

Feel free to add a music link to fight the devil back!

 

Beethoven couldn't hear the music he wrote or played on piano. He was deaf.

 

The only reason you should be sad is not to be able to hear what he was hearing...

What was that?   

[Wilikon]

'Cause everyone wants to be on the side of the winner, and NOT on the side of the loser, and Russia is sorely beating ISIS.

 

Feel free to add a music link to fight the devil back!

 

Beethoven couldn't hear the music he wrote or played on piano. He was deaf.

 

The only reason you should be sad is not to be able to hear what he was hearing...

What was that?   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU3V6zNER4g

[thinkinger]

'Cause everyone wants to be on the side of the winner, and NOT on the side of the loser, and Russia is sorely beating ISIS.

 

Feel free to add a music link to fight the devil back!

 

Beethoven couldn't hear the music he wrote or played on piano. He was deaf.

 

The only reason you should be sad is not to be able to hear what he was hearing...

What was that?   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU3V6zNER4g

where are you from?it has turkish subs.

[Salman Anjum]

im a muslim , i dont hate anyone so do the islam.is the united states full of killers : no just a little bit crazy ones ; so is the islam.so when speaking just think; do not repeat like a parrot what the goverment agents and some islam haters say.

You are a Muslim ?

You don't like violence ?

Weak Muslim !

After all, Quran says, from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888757.msg10381547#msg10381547:

From http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"  (Translation is from the Noble Quran)  The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).  The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse).  The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation.  Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

 

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

 

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."  Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

 

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

 

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".  This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

 

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."  The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter.  These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah.  This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

 

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

 

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

 

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"  This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes.  It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle.  Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption.  (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

 

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."  Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

 

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

 

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

 

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

 

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"  Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for  2:193).  The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.  Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction.  The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did).  Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition.  According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

 

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember." 

 

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

 

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.  Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

 

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

 

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."  According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars).  This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack.  Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months).  The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat.  Once the Muslims had the power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

 

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

 

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant."  The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad".  The context is obviously holy war.

 

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."  "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews.  According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status.  This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years.  Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.


Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

 

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."  This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

 

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."  See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them"  This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).


Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."  Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.  It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

 

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."


Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."  How does the Quran define a true believer?

 

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

 

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."  Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction."  (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

 

Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion.  The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation.  One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74).  However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude."  He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son.  (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia.  Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)

 

Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

 

Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."   "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context.  It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

 

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."   This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers.  It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do.  If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

 

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."  Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad.  The wounded are to be held captive for ransom.  The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims.  Those who kill pass the test.

 

Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"   

 

Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."  Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.'  Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted?  This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

 

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"  Islam is not about treating everyone equally.  There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.  Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' in verse 16.

 

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"  Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "battle array" meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict.  This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."  (See next verse, below).  Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

 

Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success."  This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above).  It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

 

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."  The root word of "Jihad" is used again here.  The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

[Wapinter]

1. It is not righteousness that you
turn your faces to the East or the
West, but truly righteous is he who
believes in Allah and the Last Day
and the angels and the Book and the
Prophets, and spends his money for
love of Him, on the kindred and the
orphans and the needy and the
wayfarer and those who ask for
charity, and for ransoming the
captives; and who observes Prayer
and pays the Zakat; and those who
fulfill their promise when they have
made one, and the patient in poverty
and afflictions and the steadfast in
time of war; it is these who have
proved truthful and it is these who
are the God-fearing.  (Al Quran
2:178)
Every Friday in the second part of
the sermon, Muslims all over the
world hear a verse, which stresses,
justice, kindness and natural mutual
love as among the closest blood
relatives:
2. Indeed, Allah enjoins justice, and
the doing of good to others; and
giving like kindred; and forbids
indecency, and manifest evil, and
wrongful transgression. He
admonished you that you may take
heed. (Al Quran 16:91)
3.  And as for those who strive in
Our path — We will surely guide
them in Our ways. And Indeed, Allah
is with those who are of service to
others. (Al Quran 29:70)
4.  Indeed, Allah is with those who
are righteous and those who do
good.  (Al Quran 16:129)
Allah says that we should be the
first and take initiative to do good
to others, but, if others have been
kind to us, in the first place, we
have no choice, but to return the
favor:
5.  The reward of goodness is nothing
but goodness. (Al Quran 55:61)
The Holy Quran suggests
compassion and kindness to be a
recipe to turn ones enemies into
bosom friends:
6.And good and evil are not
alike. Repel evil with that which is
best. And lo, he between whom and
thyself was enmity will become as
though he were a warm friend. But
none is granted it save those who are
steadfast; and none is granted it save
those who possess a large share of
good. (Al Quran 41:35-36)
7.So Allah gave them the reward
of this world, as also an excellent
reward of the next; and Allah loves
those who do good.   (Al Quran
3:149)
8.And who is better in faith than
he who submits himself to Allah, and
he is a doer of good, and follows the
religion of Abraham, the upright?
And Allah took Abraham for a
special friend. (Al Quran 4:126)
9.On those who believe and do
good works there shall be no sin for
what they eat, provided they
fear God and believe and do good
works, and again fear God and
believe, yet again fear God and do
good. And Allah loves those who do
good.  (Al Quran 5:94)
10. And create not disorder in the
earth after it has been set in order,
and call upon Him in fear and hope.
Surely, the mercy of Allah is nigh
unto those who do good.   (Al Quran
7:57)

[Spendulus]

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Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

I think maybe instead of your correcting an interpretation being the solution, it is the problem.  When some old holy book has versus capable of multiple interpretations, then some use it to justify bad things, some use it to justify right things.

Therefore it does not fix the problem for you to state what the "right interpretation" is.  You are only one person.  The problem remains existent.

[BADecker]

Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

Now you want to play with words? "Fitnah" has so many meanings in both translation and usage that, when you say "killing the Fitnah," you show the violence in the Quran, because you could have used many other words, or you could have used "Fitnah" in a non-violent way.

http://islamqa.info/en/22899

[Salman Anjum]

Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

Now you want to play with words? "Fitnah" has so many meanings in both translation and usage that, when you say "killing the Fitnah," you show the violence in the Quran, because you could have used many other words, or you could have used "Fitnah" in a non-violent way.

http://islamqa.info/en/22899

Here is the meaning of Fitnah " unrest or rebellion, especially against a rightful ruler." If someone create Fitnah among Muslims then these instructions for Muslims what to do... Islam is against the killing of innocent people.

[Spendulus]

Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

Now you want to play with words? "Fitnah" has so many meanings in both translation and usage that, when you say "killing the Fitnah," you show the violence in the Quran, because you could have used many other words, or you could have used "Fitnah" in a non-violent way.

http://islamqa.info/en/22899

Here is the meaning of Fitnah " unrest or rebellion, especially against a rightful ruler." If someone create Fitnah among Muslims then these instructions for Muslims what to do... Islam is against the killing of innocent people.

People here are not idiots.  We've already looked up the multiple definitions.

[BADecker]

Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

Now you want to play with words? "Fitnah" has so many meanings in both translation and usage that, when you say "killing the Fitnah," you show the violence in the Quran, because you could have used many other words, or you could have used "Fitnah" in a non-violent way.

http://islamqa.info/en/22899

Here is the meaning of Fitnah " unrest or rebellion, especially against a rightful ruler." If someone create Fitnah among Muslims then these instructions for Muslims what to do... Islam is against the killing of innocent people.

No wonder you Islamites are violent. Somebody goes and shows you something about Islam. You don't like it. Ane when they prove it to you, it upsets you so badly that you become violent. From http://islamqa.info/en/22899:

Definition of fitnah:

1 – The word fitnah from a linguistic point of view:

Al-Azhari said: “The Arabic word fitnah includes meanings of testing and trial. The root is taken from the phrase fatantu al-fiddah wa’l-dhahab (I assayed (tested the quality of) the silver and gold), meaning I melted the metals to separate the bad from the good. Similarly, Allaah says in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): ‘(It will be) a Day when they will be tried [yuftanoona] (punished, i.e. burnt) over the Fire!’ [al-Dhaariyaat 51:13], meaning, burning them with fire.” (Tahdheeb al-Lughah, 14/196).

Ibn Faaris said: “Fa-ta-na is a sound root which indicates testing or trial.” (Maqaayees al-Lughah, 4/472). This is the basic meaning of the word fitnah in Arabic.

Ibn al-Atheer said: “Fitnah: trial or test… The word is often used to describe tests in which something disliked is eliminated. Later it was also often used in the sense of sin, kufr (disbelief), fighting, burning, removing and diverting.” (al-Nihaayah, 3/410. Ibn Hajar said something similar in al-Fath, 13/3).

Ibn al-A’raabi summed up the meanings of fitnah when he said: “Fitnah means testing, fitnah means trial, fitnah means wealth, fitnah means children, fitnah means kufr, fitnah means differences of opinion among people, fitnah means burning with fire.” (Lisaan al-‘Arab by Ibn Manzoor).

2 – Meanings of the word fitnah in the Qur’aan and Sunnah:

1-     Testing and trial, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: ‘We believe, and will not be tested [la yuftanoon]” [al-‘Ankaboot 29:2]

i.e., that they will not be subjected to trial, as Ibn Jareer said.

2-     Blocking the way and turning people away, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“but beware of them lest they turn you [yaftinooka] (O Muhammad) far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you” [al-Maa’idah 5:49]

Al-Qurtubi said: this means blocking your way and turning you away.         

3-     Persecution, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Then, verily, your Lord for those who emigrated after they had been put to trials [futinoo] and thereafter strove hard and fought (for the Cause of Allaah) and were patient, verily, your Lord afterward is, Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful” [al-Nahl 16:110]

Put to trial means persecuted.

4-     Shirk and kufr, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allaah)” [al-Baqarah 2:193]

Ibn Katheer said: this means shirk (worshipping others besides Allaah).

5-     Falling into sin and hypocrisy, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“(The hypocrites) will call the believers: “Were we not with you?” The believers will reply: “Yes! But you led yourselves into temptations [fatantum anfusakum], you looked forward for our destruction; you doubted (in Faith) and you were deceived by false desires” [al-Hadeed 57:14]

Al-Baghawi said: i.e., you made yourselves fall into hypocrisy and you destroyed yourselves by means of sin and whims and desires.

6-     Confusing truth with falsehood, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so [i.e. become allies, as one united block under one Khaleefah (a chief Muslim ruler for the whole Muslim world) to make victorious Allaah’s religion of Islamic Monotheism], there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism) and oppression on the earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of polytheism)”[al-Anfaal 6:73]

What this means is that “unless believers are taken as close friends instead of disbelievers, even if they are relatives, there will be fitnah on earth, i.e., truth will be confused with falsehood.” This is how it is explained in Jaami’ al-Bayaan by Ibn Jareer.

7-     Misguidance, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whomsoever Allaah wants to put in Al‑Fitnah (error, because of his rejecting of Faith), you can do nothing for him against Allaah” [al-Maa'idah 5:41]

The meaning of fitnah here is misguidance. Al-Bahr al-Muheet by Abu Hayaan, 4/262.

8-     Killing and taking prisoners, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“if you fear that the disbelievers may put you in trial [yaftinakum] (attack you)”

[al-Nisa’ 4:101]

This refers to the kaafirs attacking the Muslims whilst they are praying and prostrating, in order to kill them or take them prisoner, as stated by Ibn Jareer.

9-     Difference among people and lack of agreement, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“and they would have hurried about in your midst (spreading corruption) and sowing sedition among you [yabghoonakum al-fitnah]” [al-Tawbah 9:47]

i.e., they would have stirred up differences amongst you, as it says in al-Kashshaaf, 2/277.

10-Insanity, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Which of you is afflicted with madness (maftoon)” [al-Qalam 68:6] Here it means madness.

11-Burning with fire, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, those who put into trial [fatanoo] the believing men and believing women (by torturing them and burning them)”[al-Burooj 85:10]

Ibn Hajar said: the meaning may be understood from the context. (al-Fath 11/176)

Note:

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: With regard to the “fitnah” which Allaah attributes to Himself or which His Messenger attributes to Him, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘Thus We have tried [fatannaa] some of them with others’ [al-An’aam 6:53] and the words of Moosa, ‘It is only Your trial [fitnatuka] by which You lead astray whom You will’ [al-A’raaf 7:155 – interpretation of the meaning], that carries a different meaning, which is a test or trial from Allaah to His slaves by means of good things and bad, blessings and calamities. This is one thing; the fitnah of the mushrikeen is another thing; the fitnah or trial of the believer by means of his wealth, children and neighbour is another thing; the fitnah (tribulation, differences) that happen amongst the Muslims, like the fitnah that happened between the supporters of ‘Ali and Mu’awiyah, and between him and the people of the camel, and between Muslims when they fight one another or boycott one another, is another thing. (Zaad al-Ma’aad, vol. 3, p. 170).

So you see. Youi don't kill fitnah. You kill unbelievers and enemies. Wake up to your own built-in violence.

[Spendulus]

Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

Now you want to play with words? "Fitnah" has so many meanings in both translation and usage that, when you say "killing the Fitnah," you show the violence in the Quran, because you could have used many other words, or you could have used "Fitnah" in a non-violent way.

http://islamqa.info/en/22899

Here is the meaning of Fitnah " unrest or rebellion, especially against a rightful ruler." If someone create Fitnah among Muslims then these instructions for Muslims what to do... Islam is against the killing of innocent people.

No wonder you Islamites are violent. Somebody goes and shows you something about Islam. You don't like it. Ane when they prove it to you, it upsets you so badly that you become violent. From http://islamqa.info/en/22899:

Definition of fitnah:

1 – The word fitnah from a linguistic point of view:

Al-Azhari said: “The Arabic word fitnah includes meanings of testing and trial. The root is taken from the phrase fatantu al-fiddah wa’l-dhahab (I assayed (tested the quality of) the silver and gold), meaning I melted the metals to separate the bad from the good. Similarly, Allaah says in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): ‘(It will be) a Day when they will be tried [yuftanoona] (punished, i.e. burnt) over the Fire!’ [al-Dhaariyaat 51:13], meaning, burning them with fire.” (Tahdheeb al-Lughah, 14/196).

Ibn Faaris said: “Fa-ta-na is a sound root which indicates testing or trial.” (Maqaayees al-Lughah, 4/472). This is the basic meaning of the word fitnah in Arabic.

Ibn al-Atheer said: “Fitnah: trial or test… The word is often used to describe tests in which something disliked is eliminated. Later it was also often used in the sense of sin, kufr (disbelief), fighting, burning, removing and diverting.” (al-Nihaayah, 3/410. Ibn Hajar said something similar in al-Fath, 13/3).

Ibn al-A’raabi summed up the meanings of fitnah when he said: “Fitnah means testing, fitnah means trial, fitnah means wealth, fitnah means children, fitnah means kufr, fitnah means differences of opinion among people, fitnah means burning with fire.” (Lisaan al-‘Arab by Ibn Manzoor).

2 – Meanings of the word fitnah in the Qur’aan and Sunnah:

1-     Testing and trial, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: ‘We believe, and will not be tested [la yuftanoon]” [al-‘Ankaboot 29:2]

i.e., that they will not be subjected to trial, as Ibn Jareer said.

2-     Blocking the way and turning people away, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“but beware of them lest they turn you [yaftinooka] (O Muhammad) far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you” [al-Maa’idah 5:49]

Al-Qurtubi said: this means blocking your way and turning you away.        

3-     Persecution, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Then, verily, your Lord for those who emigrated after they had been put to trials [futinoo] and thereafter strove hard and fought (for the Cause of Allaah) and were patient, verily, your Lord afterward is, Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful” [al-Nahl 16:110]

Put to trial means persecuted.

4-     Shirk and kufr, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allaah)” [al-Baqarah 2:193]

Ibn Katheer said: this means shirk (worshipping others besides Allaah).

5-     Falling into sin and hypocrisy, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“(The hypocrites) will call the believers: “Were we not with you?” The believers will reply: “Yes! But you led yourselves into temptations [fatantum anfusakum], you looked forward for our destruction; you doubted (in Faith) and you were deceived by false desires” [al-Hadeed 57:14]

Al-Baghawi said: i.e., you made yourselves fall into hypocrisy and you destroyed yourselves by means of sin and whims and desires.

6-     Confusing truth with falsehood, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so [i.e. become allies, as one united block under one Khaleefah (a chief Muslim ruler for the whole Muslim world) to make victorious Allaah’s religion of Islamic Monotheism], there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism) and oppression on the earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of polytheism)”[al-Anfaal 6:73]

What this means is that “unless believers are taken as close friends instead of disbelievers, even if they are relatives, there will be fitnah on earth, i.e., truth will be confused with falsehood.” This is how it is explained in Jaami’ al-Bayaan by Ibn Jareer.

7-     Misguidance, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whomsoever Allaah wants to put in Al‑Fitnah (error, because of his rejecting of Faith), you can do nothing for him against Allaah” [al-Maa'idah 5:41]

The meaning of fitnah here is misguidance. Al-Bahr al-Muheet by Abu Hayaan, 4/262.

8-     Killing and taking prisoners, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“if you fear that the disbelievers may put you in trial [yaftinakum] (attack you)”

[al-Nisa’ 4:101]

This refers to the kaafirs attacking the Muslims whilst they are praying and prostrating, in order to kill them or take them prisoner, as stated by Ibn Jareer.

9-     Difference among people and lack of agreement, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“and they would have hurried about in your midst (spreading corruption) and sowing sedition among you [yabghoonakum al-fitnah]” [al-Tawbah 9:47]

i.e., they would have stirred up differences amongst you, as it says in al-Kashshaaf, 2/277.

10-Insanity, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Which of you is afflicted with madness (maftoon)” [al-Qalam 68:6] Here it means madness.

11-Burning with fire, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, those who put into trial [fatanoo] the believing men and believing women (by torturing them and burning them)”[al-Burooj 85:10]

Ibn Hajar said: the meaning may be understood from the context. (al-Fath 11/176)

Note:

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: With regard to the “fitnah” which Allaah attributes to Himself or which His Messenger attributes to Him, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘Thus We have tried [fatannaa] some of them with others’ [al-An’aam 6:53] and the words of Moosa, ‘It is only Your trial [fitnatuka] by which You lead astray whom You will’ [al-A’raaf 7:155 – interpretation of the meaning], that carries a different meaning, which is a test or trial from Allaah to His slaves by means of good things and bad, blessings and calamities. This is one thing; the fitnah of the mushrikeen is another thing; the fitnah or trial of the believer by means of his wealth, children and neighbour is another thing; the fitnah (tribulation, differences) that happen amongst the Muslims, like the fitnah that happened between the supporters of ‘Ali and Mu’awiyah, and between him and the people of the camel, and between Muslims when they fight one another or boycott one another, is another thing. (Zaad al-Ma’aad, vol. 3, p. 170).

So you see. Youi don't kill fitnah. You kill unbelievers and enemies. Wake up to your own built-in violence.

Nonsense.

It's only that a leader, who wishes to bend people of Islam to his will, can affect behavior by choosing among multiple definitions the one that reinforces his wishes.

There is no possible way to malign an individual, who happens to be Muslim, by way of discussing a book that he holds in high esteem.  You or I may comment on the multiple meanings of a word, but no what it means to him.

[vero]

screw islam and there false gods.

Chirstian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist... does this all matter? Yes sadly it does to some with strong religious beliefs. Why can't we truely care for people outside our own religous group? I believe in a "God" that does care about Christians and Muslims. To this God- it doesn't matter what these people believe. If you live a respectfull and caring life than "God" wil welcome you. I wish the Christian and Islam God would love so strongly as mine does.

[Salman Anjum]

Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

Now you want to play with words? "Fitnah" has so many meanings in both translation and usage that, when you say "killing the Fitnah," you show the violence in the Quran, because you could have used many other words, or you could have used "Fitnah" in a non-violent way.

http://islamqa.info/en/22899

Here is the meaning of Fitnah " unrest or rebellion, especially against a rightful ruler." If someone create Fitnah among Muslims then these instructions for Muslims what to do... Islam is against the killing of innocent people.

People here are not idiots.  We've already looked up the multiple definitions.

Hahahahaahahaha Your posts showing that you are an idiot because in every sentence you find something negative or something which is totally irrelevent... dear you are respected to me , Go and read about Islam and then come and debate
GOOD LUCk !!

[Spendulus]

Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

Now you want to play with words? "Fitnah" has so many meanings in both translation and usage that, when you say "killing the Fitnah," you show the violence in the Quran, because you could have used many other words, or you could have used "Fitnah" in a non-violent way.

http://islamqa.info/en/22899

Here is the meaning of Fitnah " unrest or rebellion, especially against a rightful ruler." If someone create Fitnah among Muslims then these instructions for Muslims what to do... Islam is against the killing of innocent people.

People here are not idiots.  We've already looked up the multiple definitions.

Hahahahaahahaha Your posts showing that you are an idiot because in every sentence you find something negative or something which is totally irrelevent... dear you are respected to me , Go and read about Islam and then come and debate
GOOD LUCk !!

And good luck to you too, my friend, with your multiple posting names in Bitcointalk.

Face it. 

You argued wrong interpretation, based on Fitnah, you were rebutted, twice.

You lost that argument.  It's no big deal.

But responding with an argument of ridicule isn't a win, but a lose.