Why do islam hates people?

[jaysabi]

He's making a valid point on a reframing of the argument to suit the point he wishes to make.  The fundamental question was and is:

Can Islam support and encourage contributions to society from totally weird, totally brilliant people such as Turing, which the tolerance of in Britian resulted in the winning of WWII and the computer, which we use today?

I think NOT, and hence argued that we would not have the computer today or many other things, in the context of a Muslim society.  Indirect evidence for this might lie in the backwards state of many such nations.

My original point was, and still is, that there is no moral superiority in forcing castration on a man instead of killing him. My point disclaims the moral superiority you claimed in your original post.

And my point is YOU'VE GOT THE BENEFIT OF A COMPUTER to project whatever your point of view is, and if Turing had been in Islamic country, you would be, effectively, totally shut up because you'd have no computer.

Turing had NOTHING to do with SJW or gay rights or any crap like that.  Think advances in pure math.

That's hardly provable for one, and irrelevant to my point for two. If Turing didn't exist, computers may never have been invented. Or they may still have been invented. Turing was hardly the only mathematician working in the field, and while certain individuals may be instrumental (or "most important") in these highly collaborative fields, it does not prove that without them everything that exists today would not. The Manhattan Project is perhaps an apt analogy: thousands of people working on it, Oppenheimer is the "father" of the bomb, but there is no reason to think that without him, we wouldn't have nuclear weapons today. We most likely would. Turing is the same, the leader in a highly collaborative field of computer science.

But even if we just accept the logical fallacy, it doesn't offer any value to the question of moral standing of the Brits who castrated him. Computers existing is not proof that Britain was morally superior for brutalizing him but stopping short of actually murdering him. I take the position that any society that would go so far to brutally suppress someone has no moral standing on the issue whatsoever. It's possible to have no moral standing and there yet be more brutal actions you could have taken, but there's no moral redemption for being slightly less brutal. And Turing's case is even more remarkable because he was an undisputed war hero. Surely if there was someone to be exempted from prosecution, it would be a war hero. The fact that he was not underscores my point on moral standing.

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[Spendulus]

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You see, people who twists things who you call as "Arabic language professionals" deny/ignore grammars and all to make those verses support their actions. I have started studying Arabic before I learned a lot about Islam and the translations were not having any problems if you don't have grammar mistakes. In Arabic, there are lot of important grammars such as "va", "al" etc... which those people ignore. For example, 'Jihad' in pure linguistic sense, it does not mean 'holy war' like they claim. In pure linguistic meaning, word for "holy war" is "al-harb".

TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT, ZAKIR!

Just stop it, okay?  Nobody cares about your little grammer games, little nuances, little attempts to prove in your own way that "the pen is mightier than the sword."

Your pen isn't.  Your arguments ring false, and they cover up great injustices done in the name of your religion.  You try to make the daily/weekly/monthly killing of innocent people just go away.  Or make it go away from your warm, fuzzy, happy concept of your warm, fuzzy, happy religion.

And stop the lecturing, dude. 

[msc_de]

why?

becasue many people in the world eat pork

[Wilikon]

I'm making a valid point as a humanist. I'm not sure what your motivation is in obfuscation.

I am giving you the right to ask away. Why aren't you happy about me giving you permission to express yourself? Obfuscation? Nope.

 

Your premises are flawed (almost certainly intentionally) so can only be regarded as obfuscation since you're no longer contributing anything relevant to what lead you on this tangent.

I am not the one defending the rights of gays under sharia law... I am just saying they have none. I never said it was cool what happened to turing. I am saying he does not exist under sharia law.

I told you not to trust my answer and ask muslims here in this thread. You are afraid to ask, saying it is irrelevant to have the opinion of people with the knowledge of sharia law.

I know enough that I do not know enough so to feel superior to believe I am talking in the name of all muslims here, not needing a direct answer from them...

I agree they have none. Turing may have been killed instantly under Sharia Law. Or they may have used his skills to aid their war effort and then killed him after, the way Britain used his skills to help the war effort and then castrated him after they were done with him. The reason I'm not asking Muslims is because it's not relevant to my point. I concede he may have been murdered under Sharia Law, and that doesn't affect my point that Britain has no standing to claim moral superiority for castrating him for being gay.

IF
      I agree they have none.
THEN
         Turing may have been killed instantly under Sharia Law.
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" Or they may have used his skills to aid their war effort and then killed him after

[UserVVIP]

I think the real question we should be asking is why does OP hate Islams? Such sweeping generalization can only be explained by a deep rooted hate.

[Wilikon]

I think the real question we should be asking is why does OP hate Islams? Such sweeping generalization can only be explained by a deep rooted hate.

Such sweeping generalization can only be explained by a deep rooted hate.

I do not hate you nor anyone here. Click on my post history and look for evidence of hate.

Let me know what you find.

 

[Spendulus]

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But even if we just accept the logical fallacy, it doesn't offer any value to the question of moral standing of the Brits who castrated him. Computers existing is not proof that Britain was morally superior for brutalizing him but stopping short of actually murdering him. I take the position that any society that would go so far to brutally suppress someone has no moral standing on the issue whatsoever. It's possible to have no moral standing and there yet be more brutal actions you could have taken, but there's no moral redemption for being slightly less brutal. And Turing's case is even more remarkable because he was an undisputed war hero. Surely if there was someone to be exempted from prosecution, it would be a war hero. The fact that he was not underscores my point on moral standing.

You still don't understand it at all.

Turing was at the center of Allied SPYING.  He was instrumental in many, many people being killed (and many not getting killed.)

Think Coventry.  If that doesn't mean anything, go look it up.  Consider how many had loved ones in Coventry that might have hated Turing for what he did.  Many, many, MANY examples like that.

Normal rules - in particular your SJW modern view - have little relation in such a situation let alone in the past.

[ScevolaDendera]

Why do you fuck your mother?
Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek.

Damn move this to off-topic. Or, help me find my first reply to this thread and remove it with this reply too, so that i won't see this post under "Show new replied to your posts"
This is completely nuts.

[Pab]

Islam doesnt hate people,only people hate people.Islam is religion of love

one of islam sentence is

Person who has not truth love to others in his heart is not real God followers

[Wilikon]

Why do you fuck your mother?
Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek.

Damn move this to off-topic. Or, help me find my first reply to this thread and remove it with this reply too, so that i won't see this post under "Show new replied to your posts"
This is completely nuts.

This is the first time I see someone talking so openly about his mommy issue...The german people will welcome you without judging... Good luck!

Need someone to hold your hand? Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek.

 

[Spendulus]

I'm making a valid point as a humanist. I'm not sure what your motivation is in obfuscation.

I am giving you the right to ask away. Why aren't you happy about me giving you permission to express yourself? Obfuscation? Nope.

 

Your premises are flawed (almost certainly intentionally) so can only be regarded as obfuscation since you're no longer contributing anything relevant to what lead you on this tangent.

I am not the one defending the rights of gays under sharia law... I am just saying they have none. I never said it was cool what happened to turing. I am saying he does not exist under sharia law.

I told you not to trust my answer and ask muslims here in this thread. You are afraid to ask, saying it is irrelevant to have the opinion of people with the knowledge of sharia law.

I know enough that I do not know enough so to feel superior to believe I am talking in the name of all muslims here, not needing a direct answer from them...

I agree they have none. Turing may have been killed instantly under Sharia Law. Or they may have used his skills to aid their war effort and then killed him after, the way Britain used his skills to help the war effort and then castrated him after they were done with him. The reason I'm not asking Muslims is because it's not relevant to my point. I concede he may have been murdered under Sharia Law, and that doesn't affect my point that Britain has no standing to claim moral superiority for castrating him for being gay.

IF
      I agree they have none.
THEN
         Turing may have been killed instantly under Sharia Law.
END

COMMENT
" Or they may have used his skills to aid their war effort and then killed him after

I'm having trouble with the idea that his concepts would have been even remotely understood in an Islamic atmosphere, where about every third sentence is part "praise allah." 

[ScevolaDendera]

Why do you fuck your mother?
Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek.

Damn move this to off-topic. Or, help me find my first reply to this thread and remove it with this reply too, so that i won't see this post under "Show new replied to your posts"
This is completely nuts.

This is the first time I see someone talking so openly about his mommy issue...The german people will welcome you without judging... Good luck!

Need someone to hold your hand? Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek.

 

I don't see any different between those questions. I hope that the mods will agree with that too.

Why do islam hates people?
Why do you fuck your mother?

Throwing such idiotic questions on BCT like techy and young & new generation portal will only create confusion, hate & negative feelings among world,culture,people & specially in this case YOU.
 
You can't claim something while you are in doubt of what you are suppose to claim. Below is the wasteful simillar questions someone can ask.

Why do Americans poop gold?
Be 100% sure about what they poop before asking the "WHY" Question.

Why some humans get to become immortal?
Why Jesus never had to fart?

[Wilikon]

Why do you fuck your mother?
Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek.

Damn move this to off-topic. Or, help me find my first reply to this thread and remove it with this reply too, so that i won't see this post under "Show new replied to your posts"
This is completely nuts.

This is the first time I see someone talking so openly about his mommy issue...The german people will welcome you without judging... Good luck!

Need someone to hold your hand? Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek.

 

I don't see any different between those questions. I hope that the mods will agree with that too.

Why do islam hates people?
Why do you fuck your mother?

Throwing such idiotic questions on BCT like techy and young & new generation portal will only create confusion, hate & negative feelings among world,culture,people & specially in this case YOU.
 
You can't claim something while you are in doubt of what you are suppose to claim. Below is the wasteful simillar questions someone can ask.

Why do Americans poop gold?
Be 100% sure about what they poop before asking the "WHY" Question.

Why some humans get to become immortal?
Why Jesus never had to fart?

What other prophet could you use beside Jesus farting?

 "Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek."

 

[Wilikon]

I'm making a valid point as a humanist. I'm not sure what your motivation is in obfuscation.

I am giving you the right to ask away. Why aren't you happy about me giving you permission to express yourself? Obfuscation? Nope.

 

Your premises are flawed (almost certainly intentionally) so can only be regarded as obfuscation since you're no longer contributing anything relevant to what lead you on this tangent.

I am not the one defending the rights of gays under sharia law... I am just saying they have none. I never said it was cool what happened to turing. I am saying he does not exist under sharia law.

I told you not to trust my answer and ask muslims here in this thread. You are afraid to ask, saying it is irrelevant to have the opinion of people with the knowledge of sharia law.

I know enough that I do not know enough so to feel superior to believe I am talking in the name of all muslims here, not needing a direct answer from them...

I agree they have none. Turing may have been killed instantly under Sharia Law. Or they may have used his skills to aid their war effort and then killed him after, the way Britain used his skills to help the war effort and then castrated him after they were done with him. The reason I'm not asking Muslims is because it's not relevant to my point. I concede he may have been murdered under Sharia Law, and that doesn't affect my point that Britain has no standing to claim moral superiority for castrating him for being gay.

IF
      I agree they have none.
THEN
         Turing may have been killed instantly under Sharia Law.
END

COMMENT
" Or they may have used his skills to aid their war effort and then killed him after

I'm having trouble with the idea that his concepts would have been even remotely understood in an Islamic atmosphere, where about every third sentence is part "praise allah." 

The name "turing" will never be forgotten. For good reasons. For bad reasons. Can't say the same for famous gay people living under sharia law.

They do not exist. How hard is this to comprehend.

[ScevolaDendera]

Why do you fuck your mother?
Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek.

Damn move this to off-topic. Or, help me find my first reply to this thread and remove it with this reply too, so that i won't see this post under "Show new replied to your posts"
This is completely nuts.

This is the first time I see someone talking so openly about his mommy issue...The german people will welcome you without judging... Good luck!

Need someone to hold your hand? Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek.

 

I don't see any different between those questions. I hope that the mods will agree with that too.

Why do islam hates people?
Why do you fuck your mother?

Throwing such idiotic questions on BCT like techy and young & new generation portal will only create confusion, hate & negative feelings among world,culture,people & specially in this case YOU.
 
You can't claim something while you are in doubt of what you are suppose to claim. Below is the wasteful simillar questions someone can ask.

Why do Americans poop gold?
Be 100% sure about what they poop before asking the "WHY" Question.

Why some humans get to become immortal?
Why Jesus never had to fart?

What other prophet could you use beside Jesus farting?

 "Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek."

 

You can change that to any name you want. From that reply you said something. I hope you are aware that Jesus is Islamic Prophet. lol.
I recommend you to read my comment again since you are too dumb to understand the true meaning of what i said.

[Wilikon]

Why do you fuck your mother?
Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek.

Damn move this to off-topic. Or, help me find my first reply to this thread and remove it with this reply too, so that i won't see this post under "Show new replied to your posts"
This is completely nuts.

This is the first time I see someone talking so openly about his mommy issue...The german people will welcome you without judging... Good luck!

Need someone to hold your hand? Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek.

 

I don't see any different between those questions. I hope that the mods will agree with that too.

Why do islam hates people?
Why do you fuck your mother?

Throwing such idiotic questions on BCT like techy and young & new generation portal will only create confusion, hate & negative feelings among world,culture,people & specially in this case YOU.
 
You can't claim something while you are in doubt of what you are suppose to claim. Below is the wasteful simillar questions someone can ask.

Why do Americans poop gold?
Be 100% sure about what they poop before asking the "WHY" Question.

Why some humans get to become immortal?
Why Jesus never had to fart?

What other prophet could you use beside Jesus farting?

 "Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek."

 

You can change that to any name you want. From that reply you said something. I hope you are aware that Jesus is Islamic Prophet. lol.
I recommend you to read my comment again since you are too dumb to understand the true meaning of what i said.

NO. YOU change the name of the prophet. YOU wrote it. YOU do it.

If I am too dumb why wasting your time replying in a thread you want to be moved to the off topic sub, because you see it every time you click on Show new replies to your posts.

I don't mind replying to you forever to make sure you NEVER miss an update from this thread...

Again a big thank you for taking the time with us.

And don't forget: "Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek."


 

[BADecker]

Why do you fuck your mother?
Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek.

Damn move this to off-topic. Or, help me find my first reply to this thread and remove it with this reply too, so that i won't see this post under "Show new replied to your posts"
This is completely nuts.

This is the first time I see someone talking so openly about his mommy issue...The german people will welcome you without judging... Good luck!

Need someone to hold your hand? Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek.

 

I don't see any different between those questions. I hope that the mods will agree with that too.

Why do islam hates people?
Why do you fuck your mother?

Throwing such idiotic questions on BCT like techy and young & new generation portal will only create confusion, hate & negative feelings among world,culture,people & specially in this case YOU.
 
You can't claim something while you are in doubt of what you are suppose to claim. Below is the wasteful simillar questions someone can ask.

Why do Americans poop gold?
Be 100% sure about what they poop before asking the "WHY" Question.

Why some humans get to become immortal?
Why Jesus never had to fart?

What other prophet could you use beside Jesus farting?

 "Ask that to yourself, you get the answer which you seek."

 

You can change that to any name you want. From that reply you said something. I hope you are aware that Jesus is Islamic Prophet. lol.
I recommend you to read my comment again since you are too dumb to understand the true meaning of what i said.

Hope you realize that Jesus is not only a great Christian prophet, but also God over all, next to and equal with His Father (even though during His life on earth, He set some of His greatness aside so He could accomplish the work He came for).

[Wilikon]

Raif Badawi

The world has not forgotten you.

[Muhammed Zakir]

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You see, people who twists things who you call as "Arabic language professionals" deny/ignore grammars and all to make those verses support their actions. I have started studying Arabic before I learned a lot about Islam and the translations were not having any problems if you don't have grammar mistakes. In Arabic, there are lot of important grammars such as "va", "al" etc... which those people ignore. For example, 'Jihad' in pure linguistic sense, it does not mean 'holy war' like they claim. In pure linguistic meaning, word for "holy war" is "al-harb".

TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT, ZAKIR!

Just stop it, okay?  Nobody cares about your little grammer games, little nuances, little attempts to prove in your own way that "the pen is mightier than the sword."

Your pen isn't.  Your arguments ring false, and they cover up great injustices done in the name of your religion.  You try to make the daily/weekly/monthly killing of innocent people just go away.  Or make it go away from your warm, fuzzy, happy concept of your warm, fuzzy, happy religion.

And stop the lecturing, dude. 

I did not say what those crazy bloodsuckers do is right, I was pointing to BADecker(and whoever else) that what they are doing is not Islamic. They are just doing for their own merit, either politics or wealth.

[Spendulus]

.....
You see, people who twists things who you call as "Arabic language professionals" deny/ignore grammars and all to make those verses support their actions. I have started studying Arabic before I learned a lot about Islam and the translations were not having any problems if you don't have grammar mistakes. In Arabic, there are lot of important grammars such as "va", "al" etc... which those people ignore. For example, 'Jihad' in pure linguistic sense, it does not mean 'holy war' like they claim. In pure linguistic meaning, word for "holy war" is "al-harb".

TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT, ZAKIR!

Just stop it, okay?  Nobody cares about your little grammer games, little nuances, little attempts to prove in your own way that "the pen is mightier than the sword."

Your pen isn't.  Your arguments ring false, and they cover up great injustices done in the name of your religion.  You try to make the daily/weekly/monthly killing of innocent people just go away.  Or make it go away from your warm, fuzzy, happy concept of your warm, fuzzy, happy religion.

And stop the lecturing, dude. 

I did not say what those crazy bloodsuckers do is right, I was pointing to BADecker(and whoever else) that what they are doing is not Islamic. They are just doing for their own merit, either politics or wealth.

I agree 100%.  Anyone can read the Koran and see this.  Even those who argue the Koran allows violent behavior (I do lean in this direction, not 100% but to a degree) cannot read the Koran and find that it condones or instructs the atrocities of ISIS.