Why do islam hates people?

[Wilikon]

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Obviously this is totally disgusting, but here it is right from the Cleric.  This is how bad some of the stuff is that people are being told from supposedly "Islamic Clerics."

Fatwa: Homosexuality may be forbidden in islam, but muslim brothers may engage in sodomy with each other if the goal is to stretch the anus opening so bomb materials can be later inserted for martyrdom operations.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e2f_1342196740#QCt6edXcYEHEAs0t.99

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

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This I find offensive.  Not the repeating of it, and not the use of the word "Islam."  But the actual advocacy of murder of innocent people in the name of a religion, by whatever means.

Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other?

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[andysbizz]

Indeed each person makes a mistake or something else, it doesn't matter what faith, but stereotypes are immediately applicable to all if make a mistake one man.

[CoinFoxs]

I totally agreed with you dear ISlam is perfect Muslims are not so don't blame Islam, If the person is bad or doing some mistake it doesn't mean their religion is wrong or you blame their religion.

[Spendulus]

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Obviously this is totally disgusting, but here it is right from the Cleric.  This is how bad some of the stuff is that people are being told from supposedly "Islamic Clerics."

Fatwa: Homosexuality may be forbidden in islam, but muslim brothers may engage in sodomy with each other if the goal is to stretch the anus opening so bomb materials can be later inserted for martyrdom operations.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e2f_1342196740#QCt6edXcYEHEAs0t.99

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

****

This I find offensive.  Not the repeating of it, and not the use of the word "Islam."  But the actual advocacy of murder of innocent people in the name of a religion, by whatever means.

Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other?

These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer.  Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect?

[Wilikon]

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Obviously this is totally disgusting, but here it is right from the Cleric.  This is how bad some of the stuff is that people are being told from supposedly "Islamic Clerics."

Fatwa: Homosexuality may be forbidden in islam, but muslim brothers may engage in sodomy with each other if the goal is to stretch the anus opening so bomb materials can be later inserted for martyrdom operations.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e2f_1342196740#QCt6edXcYEHEAs0t.99

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

****

This I find offensive.  Not the repeating of it, and not the use of the word "Islam."  But the actual advocacy of murder of innocent people in the name of a religion, by whatever means.

Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other?

These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer.  Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect?

Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?

[Spendulus]

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Obviously this is totally disgusting, but here it is right from the Cleric.  This is how bad some of the stuff is that people are being told from supposedly "Islamic Clerics."

Fatwa: Homosexuality may be forbidden in islam, but muslim brothers may engage in sodomy with each other if the goal is to stretch the anus opening so bomb materials can be later inserted for martyrdom operations.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e2f_1342196740#QCt6edXcYEHEAs0t.99

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

****

This I find offensive.  Not the repeating of it, and not the use of the word "Islam."  But the actual advocacy of murder of innocent people in the name of a religion, by whatever means.

Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other?

These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer.  Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect?

Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?

How would the Holy Cleric who issued the Fatwa know such things?


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

[Wapinter]

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Obviously this is totally disgusting, but here it is right from the Cleric.  This is how bad some of the stuff is that people are being told from supposedly "Islamic Clerics."

Fatwa: Homosexuality may be forbidden in islam, but muslim brothers may engage in sodomy with each other if the goal is to stretch the anus opening so bomb materials can be later inserted for martyrdom operations.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e2f_1342196740#QCt6edXcYEHEAs0t.99

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

****

This I find offensive.  Not the repeating of it, and not the use of the word "Islam."  But the actual advocacy of murder of innocent people in the name of a religion, by whatever means.

Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other?

These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer.  Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect?

Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?

How would the Holy Cleric who issued the Fatwa know such things?


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

It is fake

[Spendulus]

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Obviously this is totally disgusting, but here it is right from the Cleric.  This is how bad some of the stuff is that people are being told from supposedly "Islamic Clerics."

Fatwa: Homosexuality may be forbidden in islam, but muslim brothers may engage in sodomy with each other if the goal is to stretch the anus opening so bomb materials can be later inserted for martyrdom operations.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e2f_1342196740#QCt6edXcYEHEAs0t.99

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

****

This I find offensive.  Not the repeating of it, and not the use of the word "Islam."  But the actual advocacy of murder of innocent people in the name of a religion, by whatever means.

Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other?

These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer.  Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect?

Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?

How would the Holy Cleric who issued the Fatwa know such things?


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

It is fake

If this is so, please provide evidence.

[Wapinter]

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Obviously this is totally disgusting, but here it is right from the Cleric.  This is how bad some of the stuff is that people are being told from supposedly "Islamic Clerics."

Fatwa: Homosexuality may be forbidden in islam, but muslim brothers may engage in sodomy with each other if the goal is to stretch the anus opening so bomb materials can be later inserted for martyrdom operations.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e2f_1342196740#QCt6edXcYEHEAs0t.99

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

****

This I find offensive.  Not the repeating of it, and not the use of the word "Islam."  But the actual advocacy of murder of innocent people in the name of a religion, by whatever means.

Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other?

These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer.  Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect?

Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?

How would the Holy Cleric who issued the Fatwa know such things?


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

It is fake

If this is so, please provide evidence.

You can get anyone with a beard to say anything buy it doesn't become Islamic unless it is mentioned in scriptures.
The evidence is that it is beyond any logic.Why would someone need to widen their anus to hide the explosives? How much can one hide in it? That is ridiculous

[Spendulus]

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Obviously this is totally disgusting, but here it is right from the Cleric.  This is how bad some of the stuff is that people are being told from supposedly "Islamic Clerics."

Fatwa: Homosexuality may be forbidden in islam, but muslim brothers may engage in sodomy with each other if the goal is to stretch the anus opening so bomb materials can be later inserted for martyrdom operations.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e2f_1342196740#QCt6edXcYEHEAs0t.99

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

****

This I find offensive.  Not the repeating of it, and not the use of the word "Islam."  But the actual advocacy of murder of innocent people in the name of a religion, by whatever means.

Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other?

These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer.  Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect?

Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?

How would the Holy Cleric who issued the Fatwa know such things?


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

It is fake

If this is so, please provide evidence.

You can get anyone with a beard to say anything buy it doesn't become Islamic unless it is mentioned in scriptures.
The evidence is that it is beyond any logic.Why would someone need to widen their anus to hide the explosives? How much can one hide in it? That is ridiculous

1.  The Shiite cleric in the video resides in London.
2.  We have a video of his talk in which he says the things alleged.
3.   Here is a part of his talk.

“In principle, sodomy is forbidden. However, Jihad is more important. It is the pinnacle of Islam. If sodomy is the only way to reach this pinnacle of Islam, then there is no harm in it. The rule is that necessity makes the forbidden permissible. Something that is required in order to perform a duty becomes a duty in and of itself. No duty takes precedence over Jihad. Therefore, you must be sodomized… After you have been sodomized, you must ask Allah for forgiveness. Know, my son, that Allah resurrects the mujahideen on Judgment Day on the basis of their intentions. Allah willing, your intention is to support Islam. May Allah include you among those who heed His call.”



Please provide evidence to support your assertion that "it is fake."  Otherwise your comments cannot be seriously considered.

As for the Cleric's FATWA being ridiculous, I don't disagree with you.  However, some take him seriously.  And I am not a Muslim, I am an atheist.  So I think many things Islamic Clerics say are ridiculous.  This is no different.  But obviously some people believe things Islamic Clerics say and take them seriously.  For example...


This  fatwa led a man a while ago to carry out a bombing attack against then Interior Minister Naif bin Abd Al-Aziz [sic]….”

http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/tag/abdallah-al-khilaf/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

Actually let me revise my statement.  I view the Cleric involved as pure evil.  Not as ridiculous. 

[Wapinter]

First you must understand that fatwa is the opinion of scholar it may or may not necessarily be conformed with religious rulings.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa
This is not
necessarily a formal position since
most Muslims argue that anyone
trained in Islamic law may give an
opinion (fatwā) on its teachings. If a
fatwā does not break new ground,
then it is simply called a ruling
Second. This so called shia cleric say The
rule is that necessity makes the
forbidden permissible. which is correct but this rule is implied in some rearest cases
http://islamqa.info/en/130815
With regard to the conditions of a
haraam thing becoming permissible in
the case of necessity, Shaykh
Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may
Allah have mercy on him) mentioned
two conditions for that and he
explained them in abundant detail with
examples, as well as mentioning some
objections and the response to them.
Hence we will limit ourselves to
quoting his words. He (may Allah
have mercy on him) said:
This principle is one of the basic fiqhi
principles which are indicated by
sharee’ah: Everything that is
forbidden becomes permissible in the
case of necessity.
So what is forbidden becomes
permissible in the case of necessity,
but there are two conditions.
The first condition:
We should be compelled to do this
specific haraam (Forbidden) thing, meaning that
we cannot find anything with which
to meet that necessity except this
haraam thing. If we can find
something else, then it does not
become permissible, even though it
could meet our necessity.
The second condition:
(i) The necessity should be met by that
haraam (forbidden) thing; if that is not the case,
then it remains haraam. [/i] If we are not
certain whether it will meet the
necessity or not, then it also remains
haraam. That is because doing
something haraam is definitely wrong
and meeting necessity by means of it
is something concerning which there
is doubt, so we should not transgress
by doing that which is definitely
haraam for the sake of something
concerning which there is doubt.
Hence the ruling varies concerning a
starving man who cannot find
anything but dead meat. In this case
we say, Eat the dead meat. If he says
that this is committing a haraam
action, we say that it has become
permissible because of necessity,
because you have nothing else to eat
apart from this and because if you eat
it you will meet that necessity.
It was said to a man: If you drink
alcohol, you will be cured of sickness.
In this case we say: It is not
permissible for you to drink alcohol
even if you are told that it will heal
you from sickness. Why is that?
Firstly, because there is no certainty
that he will be healed by it; he may
drink it and not be healed of sickness.
We see many sick people taking
beneficial medicines that they do not
benefit from.
Secondly, the sick person may
recover without any treatment, by
putting his trust in Allah and praying
to Him, and by means of people’s
prayer (du’aa’) for him and so on.
This is from the point of view of
reason. ..

[Spendulus]

First you must understand that fatwa is the opinion of scholar it may or may not necessarily be conformed with religious rulings.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa
This is not
necessarily a formal position since
most Muslims argue that anyone
trained in Islamic law may give an
opinion (fatwā) on its teachings. .....

Well, you sure got some crazy shit being done in the name of Islam.

By the way, we are in complete agreement in the ridiculousness of this man's ideas.  But what's important to note is the extreme to which he will go to advocate violence.

You've argued against his advocacy of rigging Intestine Bombs, but not against his advocacy of violent jihad, or his  basic advocacy of terrorism.

I think this is wrong and is the fundamental issue.

[RodeoX]

So, the short version is some anonymous guy may have said this crazy thing. Maybe that happened. In Islam there are no priests and anyone can study the Koran then issue an opinion. But there is a lot wrong with this starting with the fake name, which translates into something like the "bloody butcher". 

Nothing is binding about this supposed position. Kinda like a deacon at a local church saying Jesus does not want race mixing. Sure the deacon could say that, but it will not be believed or adopted by the parishioners.   

[BADecker]

So, the short version is some anonymous guy may have said this crazy thing. Maybe that happened. In Islam there are no priests and anyone can study the Koran then issue an opinion. But there is a lot wrong with this starting with the fake name, which translates into something like the "bloody butcher". 

Nothing is binding about this supposed position. Kinda like a deacon at a local church saying Jesus does not want race mixing. Sure the deacon could say that, but it will not be believed or adopted by the parishioners.   

People need something that they can see to believe in. That's why they will believe the Pope.

[Spendulus]

So, the short version is some anonymous guy may have said this crazy thing. Maybe that happened. In Islam there are no priests and anyone can study the Koran then issue an opinion. But there is a lot wrong with this starting with the fake name, which translates into something like the "bloody butcher". 

Nothing is binding about this supposed position. Kinda like a deacon at a local church saying Jesus does not want race mixing. Sure the deacon could say that, but it will not be believed or adopted by the parishioners.   

So there is no way to authenticate that this is an actual Shiite cleric in London, say as opposed to a complete imposter?

[BADecker]

So, the short version is some anonymous guy may have said this crazy thing. Maybe that happened. In Islam there are no priests and anyone can study the Koran then issue an opinion. But there is a lot wrong with this starting with the fake name, which translates into something like the "bloody butcher". 

Nothing is binding about this supposed position. Kinda like a deacon at a local church saying Jesus does not want race mixing. Sure the deacon could say that, but it will not be believed or adopted by the parishioners.   

So there is no way to authenticate that this is an actual Shiite cleric in London, say as opposed to a complete imposter?

There might be no way. After all, there isn't any way to tell if you are a government agent in the 9/11 thread, rather than simply a misinformed, unthinking sheeple.

[RodeoX]

So, the short version is some anonymous guy may have said this crazy thing. Maybe that happened. In Islam there are no priests and anyone can study the Koran then issue an opinion. But there is a lot wrong with this starting with the fake name, which translates into something like the "bloody butcher". 

Nothing is binding about this supposed position. Kinda like a deacon at a local church saying Jesus does not want race mixing. Sure the deacon could say that, but it will not be believed or adopted by the parishioners.   

So there is no way to authenticate that this is an actual Shiite cleric in London, say as opposed to a complete imposter?

I don't know? He is supposed in be in London, but all references that Google finds are related to this. In any case a fatwa is the opinion of someone who has had some religious training. But it is nothing like an official rule. Each cleric, be he a mullah, or imam or ulama; has strength based on how many followers agree with him. Because of this you get all sorts of crazy fatwas.

So I have no idea whether this is a hoax or not, however there are a lot of red flags:

1. Unknown anonymous cleric 
2. Likely fake name 
3. *First appearing on a propaganda website
4. Shocking and hard to believe statement


*Here a just a few MEMRI board members and board advisers.

Oliver "Buck" Revell: Chairman; Former FBI Executive Assistant Director
Donald Rumsfeld, Former US Secretary of Defense
James Woolsey, Former Director of Central Intelligence Agency
John Ashcroft, Former US Attorney General
Paul Bremer, former Director of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance in Iraq
Deborah Lipstadt, Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies at Emory University.
Natan Sharanksy, former Israeli Minister for Jerusalem and Diaspora Affairs

[Spendulus]

So, the short version is some anonymous guy may have said this crazy thing. Maybe that happened. In Islam there are no priests and anyone can study the Koran then issue an opinion. But there is a lot wrong with this starting with the fake name, which translates into something like the "bloody butcher". 

Nothing is binding about this supposed position. Kinda like a deacon at a local church saying Jesus does not want race mixing. Sure the deacon could say that, but it will not be believed or adopted by the parishioners.   

So there is no way to authenticate that this is an actual Shiite cleric in London, say as opposed to a complete imposter?

I don't know? He is supposed in be in London, but all references that Google finds are related to this. In any case a fatwa is the opinion of someone who has had some religious training. But it is nothing like an official rule. Each cleric, be he a mullah, or imam or ulama; has strength based on how many followers agree with him. Because of this you get all sorts of crazy fatwas.

So I have no idea whether this is a hoax or not, however there are a lot of red flags:

1. Unknown anonymous cleric 
2. Likely fake name 
3. *First appearing on a propaganda website
4. Shocking and hard to believe statement


*Here a just a few MEMRI board members and board advisers.

Oliver "Buck" Revell: Chairman; Former FBI Executive Assistant Director
Donald Rumsfeld, Former US Secretary of Defense
James Woolsey, Former Director of Central Intelligence Agency
John Ashcroft, Former US Attorney General
Paul Bremer, former Director of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance in Iraq
Deborah Lipstadt, Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies at Emory University.
Natan Sharanksy, former Israeli Minister for Jerusalem and Diaspora Affairs

Looking into the matter, I find an ocean of "ridiculous FATWAs."  Given this, I don't know any reason to assume the one in question is phony - it's easier to believe that it's real, but just another ridiculous FATWA.  Here are som others -


http://listverse.com/2010/02/25/top-10-bizarre-or-ridiculous-fatwas/

http://www.zemtv.com/2015/04/15/and-the-award-for-the-most-ridiculous-fatwa-goes-to/

http://theconservativecitizen.com/2012/01/02/al-arabiya-news-picks-the-most-ridiculous-fatwas-of-2011/

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-most-atrocious-and-ridiculous-fatwas-issued-to-date-in-any-country?share=1

[RodeoX]

Looking into the matter, I find an ocean of "ridiculous FATWAs."  Given this, I don't know any reason to assume the one in question is phony - it's easier to believe that it's real, but just another ridiculous FATWA.  Here are som others -


http://listverse.com/2010/02/25/top-10-bizarre-or-ridiculous-fatwas/

http://www.zemtv.com/2015/04/15/and-the-award-for-the-most-ridiculous-fatwa-goes-to/

http://theconservativecitizen.com/2012/01/02/al-arabiya-news-picks-the-most-ridiculous-fatwas-of-2011/

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-most-atrocious-and-ridiculous-fatwas-issued-to-date-in-any-country?share=1

Comedy gold! lol

Now i know if I catch a Jinn in the garden i can eat it. 

I think of a fatwa like an opinion from a preacher. One might say "God hates fags" another might say "Gay people can marry in a church". Who is right is subject of debate.

[Spendulus]

Looking into the matter, I find an ocean of "ridiculous FATWAs."  Given this, I don't know any reason to assume the one in question is phony - it's easier to believe that it's real, but just another ridiculous FATWA.  Here are som others -


http://listverse.com/2010/02/25/top-10-bizarre-or-ridiculous-fatwas/

http://www.zemtv.com/2015/04/15/and-the-award-for-the-most-ridiculous-fatwa-goes-to/

http://theconservativecitizen.com/2012/01/02/al-arabiya-news-picks-the-most-ridiculous-fatwas-of-2011/

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-most-atrocious-and-ridiculous-fatwas-issued-to-date-in-any-country?share=1

Comedy gold! lol

Now i know if I catch a Jinn in the garden i can eat it. 

I think of a fatwa like an opinion from a preacher. One might say "God hates fags" another might say "Gay people can marry in a church". Who is right is subject of debate.

May I humbly suggest, though that you enlist the aid of this Atheist when you encounter and catch your Jinn.  I will instruct you properly in how to deal with creatures from other dimensions, while the ancient texts will not.

For example, your Jinn may know tomorrow, and for a price he may tell us secrets of tomorrow.  What price?  You never know unless you ask.  A Jinn may never have heard of Paint.  Just think, a simple can of spray paint may buy you the secret to tomorrow's lottery.