Why do islam hates people?

[btc-facebook]

Look to other religion such as christian, buddhist , catholic , hindu
These religion as far as I review are peacefull religion. But when I looked into islam, I remember something terrible such as terorism mostly.

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[Wilikon]

I'm making a valid point as a humanist. I'm not sure what your motivation is in obfuscation.

I am giving you the right to ask away. Why aren't you happy about me giving you permission to express yourself? Obfuscation? Nope.

 

Your premises are flawed (almost certainly intentionally) so can only be regarded as obfuscation since you're no longer contributing anything relevant to what lead you on this tangent.

I am not the one defending the rights of gays under sharia law... I am just saying they have none. I never said it was cool what happened to turing. I am saying he does not exist under sharia law.

I told you not to trust my answer and ask muslims here in this thread. You are afraid to ask, saying it is irrelevant to have the opinion of people with the knowledge of sharia law.

I know enough that I do not know enough so to feel superior to believe I am talking in the name of all muslims here, not needing a direct answer from them...

[Spendulus]

He's making a valid point on a reframing of the argument to suit the point he wishes to make.  The fundamental question was and is:

Can Islam support and encourage contributions to society from totally weird, totally brilliant people such as Turing, which the tolerance of in Britian resulted in the winning of WWII and the computer, which we use today?

I think NOT, and hence argued that we would not have the computer today or many other things, in the context of a Muslim society.  Indirect evidence for this might lie in the backwards state of many such nations.

My original point was, and still is, that there is no moral superiority in forcing castration on a man instead of killing him. My point disclaims the moral superiority you claimed in your original post.

And my point is YOU'VE GOT THE BENEFIT OF A COMPUTER to project whatever your point of view is, and if Turing had been in Islamic country, you would be, effectively, totally shut up because you'd have no computer.

Turing had NOTHING to do with SJW or gay rights or any crap like that.  Think advances in pure math.

[misterycoins]

I would not judge all muslim people, just because few islam religious soldiers (ISIS etc) are doing harm to western civilized world. They are doing it for their God, and they think that is the right thing to do

[Wilikon]

I would not judge all muslim people, just because few islam religious soldiers (ISIS etc) are doing harm to western civilized world. They are doing it for their God, and they think that is the right thing to do

This thread is not about ISIS. Plenty of those already. Not this one.

Check out post #2 to know what this WHOLE thread is about. Thank you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888757.msg9799830#msg9799830


 

[BADecker]

Here's how Islam will take America down. It won't be by attack. It won't be by infiltration. It will be through sympathy.

Americans are seeing all the activity that Big Oil is using government to do against Muslims in the Middle East. Americans see the pain that America is causing other people. Americans sympathize with these other people. Americans are starting to protest this governmental activity. Soon Americans will do more than simply protest. The will literally seek to stop American government from harming other people.

Once this happens in a bigger way than it is now, the government will send in the military to stop Americans. This will essentially take down the American government, turning America into a civil law country - dictatorship by government. The fact that this is happening already is seen in all the rights Americans seem to be losing.

[Muhammed Zakir]

I would not judge all muslim people, just because few islam religious soldiers (ISIS etc) are doing harm to western civilized world. They are doing it for their God, and they think that is the right thing to do

This thread is not about ISIS. Plenty of those already. Not this one.

Check out post #2 to know what this WHOLE thread is about. Thank you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888757.msg9799830#msg9799830


 

I already commented about it and there is nothing "islamic" there and article says that it was a "revenge". Anyway, change the title if you are talking about "that" thing because this title and your OP is misleading.

Here's how Islam will take America down. It won't be by attack. It won't be by infiltration. It will be through sympathy.

Americans are seeing all the activity that Big Oil is using government to do against Muslims in the Middle East. Americans see the pain that America is causing other people. Americans sympathize with these other people. Americans are starting to protest this governmental activity. Soon Americans will do more than simply protest. The will literally seek to stop American government from harming other people.

Once this happens in a bigger way than it is now, the government will send in the military to stop Americans. This will essentially take down the American government, turning America into a civil law country - dictatorship by government. The fact that this is happening already is seen in all the rights Americans seem to be losing.

So, America is destroying America?

[BADecker]

Here's how Islam will take America down. It won't be by attack. It won't be by infiltration. It will be through sympathy.

Americans are seeing all the activity that Big Oil is using government to do against Muslims in the Middle East. Americans see the pain that America is causing other people. Americans sympathize with these other people. Americans are starting to protest this governmental activity. Soon Americans will do more than simply protest. The will literally seek to stop American government from harming other people.

Once this happens in a bigger way than it is now, the government will send in the military to stop Americans. This will essentially take down the American government, turning America into a civil law country - dictatorship by government. The fact that this is happening already is seen in all the rights Americans seem to be losing.

So, America is destroying America?

What is America? Is it the peaceful people? Is it the war mongers? Is it folks who are forced by the war mongers to support the fighting?

It's like asking what is Islam? Some say Islam is totally peaceful. Others among the Muslims show that Islam is violent at times. Even the Islamic writings and holy texts say that Islam is supposed to be violent at times. They even direct Islamites to be violent at times. So, what is Islam?

The war mongers in America think they have found a way to conquer peaceful Americans and make them support the war against Islam. If you truly wanted peace, you would get your American Islamic groups who want peace as well, to study Karl Lentz. Why? Because he has found the way for Americans to stop paying income taxes, to stop supporting excessive U.S. government, and to put down the war monger effect in America thereby. Karl's info is out there. Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz common law."

There isn't any common law in Islamic worlds. Yet, it is the base of the American government, for the American people to limit their government when their government goes nuts. The problem is, most Americans have no idea about how to use their own law.

The keys to American government are the 7th and 9th Articles in the Bill of Rights, which are known as amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

If Americans knew that they could get out from under the burden of taxation, they would do it in a heartbeat. They simply don't believe it is possible. That's why they don't do it.

It is up to you, for the protection of peaceful Islam, to get your people to study everything Karl Lentz says, and understand it in detail, and then spread both the usage of it among your American brothers and sisters, and the training of other Americans.

It will be work. But if you want peace from American war mongers, that's the way to do it. Show Americans how to rid themselves of taxation, thereby eliminating the financing of their own government and war machine.

[Reversi]

I would not judge all muslim people, just because few islam religious soldiers (ISIS etc) are doing harm to western civilized world. They are doing it for their God, and they think that is the right thing to do

This thread is not about ISIS. Plenty of those already. Not this one.

Check out post #2 to know what this WHOLE thread is about. Thank you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888757.msg9799830#msg9799830


 

I already commented about it and there is nothing "islamic" there and article says that it was a "revenge". Anyway, change the title if you are talking about "that" thing because this title and your OP is misleading.

Here's how Islam will take America down. It won't be by attack. It won't be by infiltration. It will be through sympathy.

Americans are seeing all the activity that Big Oil is using government to do against Muslims in the Middle East. Americans see the pain that America is causing other people. Americans sympathize with these other people. Americans are starting to protest this governmental activity. Soon Americans will do more than simply protest. The will literally seek to stop American government from harming other people.

Once this happens in a bigger way than it is now, the government will send in the military to stop Americans. This will essentially take down the American government, turning America into a civil law country - dictatorship by government. The fact that this is happening already is seen in all the rights Americans seem to be losing.

So, America is destroying America?

Ha, interesting enough I never agreed with this statement more until I read the Illuminati thread. America definitely seems to be falling into a giant black hole it dug for itself as of late. I'm thinking of renouncing my citizenship personally.

[ummina]

  okey. i want to tell you about this. ISLAM not HATE cristiant people, atheis, and the other.
but, in this positions, like a road there is many limb, and THEY ARE is unmissing understand about what the mean in AL-Qur'an and HAdist from My Prophet Muhammad abseloutely. The Pillars of ISlam there is no Jihad make a warfare, bombardment, and etc.
understand about this not of all Muslim like that..
we love peace, and we not problemity about a deferrent you are, and what your religion, we not problemity with that.
we can life side by side.
even, there is cristiant and islam have merried. its okey.. life is choice.
we can to choice but after we control by the choice we have choose right?
and Islam hate too the people like make damage with name of "ISLAM" cause ISLAM not lesson about that.
even in Al-Qur'an there is verse about "NOT MAKE DAMAGE IN THE EARTH"
even, The Prophet make a model the very perfect for we, if we should not with each other haveing warfare, if we can pacification with other, why not?
they just the people not understand what te mean about JIHAD. JIHAD is not like that. Islam is very beautyfull for me, and for the people understand about it. thanks, i just tell what i fell, i hope this benefit for us. sorry i dont wanna make hostility. 

[Wilikon]

okey. i want to tell you about this. ISLAM not HATE cristiant people, atheis, and the other.
but, in this positions, like a road there is many limb, and THEY ARE is unmissing understand about what the mean in AL-Qur'an and HAdist from My Prophet Muhammad abseloutely. The Pillars of ISlam there is no Jihad make a warfare, bombardment, and etc.
understand about this not of all Muslim like that..
we love peace, and we not problemity about a deferrent you are, and what your religion, we not problemity with that.
we can life side by side.
even, there is cristiant and islam have merried. its okey.. life is choice.
we can to choice but after we control by the choice we have choose right?
and Islam hate too the people like make damage with name of "ISLAM" cause ISLAM not lesson about that.
even in Al-Qur'an there is verse about "NOT MAKE DAMAGE IN THE EARTH"
even, The Prophet make a model the very perfect for we, if we should not with each other haveing warfare, if we can pacification with other, why not?
they just the people not understand what te mean about JIHAD. JIHAD is not like that. Islam is very beautyfull for me, and for the people understand about it. thanks, i just tell what i fell, i hope this benefit for us. sorry i dont wanna make hostility. 

Your comment is welcome. No hostility. Don't let the salafi movement speak for you.

 

[Spendulus]

okey. i want to tell you about this. ISLAM not HATE cristiant people, atheis, and the other.
but, in this positions, like a road there is many limb, and THEY ARE is unmissing understand about what the mean in AL-Qur'an and HAdist from My Prophet Muhammad abseloutely. The Pillars of ISlam there is no Jihad make a warfare, bombardment, and etc.
understand about this not of all Muslim like that..
we love peace, and we not problemity about a deferrent you are, and what your religion, we not problemity with that.
we can life side by side.
even, there is cristiant and islam have merried. its okey.. life is choice.
we can to choice but after we control by the choice we have choose right?
and Islam hate too the people like make damage with name of "ISLAM" cause ISLAM not lesson about that.
even in Al-Qur'an there is verse about "NOT MAKE DAMAGE IN THE EARTH"
even, The Prophet make a model the very perfect for we, if we should not with each other haveing warfare, if we can pacification with other, why not?
they just the people not understand what te mean about JIHAD. JIHAD is not like that. Islam is very beautyfull for me, and for the people understand about it. thanks, i just tell what i fell, i hope this benefit for us. sorry i dont wanna make hostility. 

Your comment is welcome. No hostility. Don't let the salafi movement speak for you.

 

I agree whole heartedly but must point out.

1.  In the Western world, assertions of well intentioned Muslims to the contrary, the word "JIHAD" is completely hijacked and refers strictly to terrorist acts.  That can't be changed.

2.  In the Western world, the phrase "Allah Akbar" has increasingly been associated with terrorist acts.

So these bad guys really are trying to hijack your religion.  Complete denial of this, as some here have done, is not a step forward.

http://www.shutterstock.com/s/ostrich+head+in+sand/search.html

[BADecker]

okey. i want to tell you about this. ISLAM not HATE cristiant people, atheis, and the other.
but, in this positions, like a road there is many limb, and THEY ARE is unmissing understand about what the mean in AL-Qur'an and HAdist from My Prophet Muhammad abseloutely. The Pillars of ISlam there is no Jihad make a warfare, bombardment, and etc.
understand about this not of all Muslim like that..
we love peace, and we not problemity about a deferrent you are, and what your religion, we not problemity with that.
we can life side by side.
even, there is cristiant and islam have merried. its okey.. life is choice.
we can to choice but after we control by the choice we have choose right?
and Islam hate too the people like make damage with name of "ISLAM" cause ISLAM not lesson about that.
even in Al-Qur'an there is verse about "NOT MAKE DAMAGE IN THE EARTH"
even, The Prophet make a model the very perfect for we, if we should not with each other haveing warfare, if we can pacification with other, why not?
they just the people not understand what te mean about JIHAD. JIHAD is not like that. Islam is very beautyfull for me, and for the people understand about it. thanks, i just tell what i fell, i hope this benefit for us. sorry i dont wanna make hostility.  

Your comment is welcome. No hostility. Don't let the salafi movement speak for you.

 

I agree whole heartedly but must point out.

1.  In the Western world, assertions of well intentioned Muslims to the contrary, the word "JIHAD" is completely hijacked and refers strictly to terrorist acts.  That can't be changed.

2.  In the Western world, the phrase "Allah Akbar" has increasingly been associated with terrorist acts.

So these bad guys really are trying to hijack your religion.  Complete denial of this, as some here have done, is not a step forward.

http://www.shutterstock.com/s/ostrich+head+in+sand/search.html

Right! The honest, more-truthful-Islamic Muslims are trying to hijack Islam from those who are far weaker in the Islamic faith... the ones who are peaceful.

You can't be a strong Muslim unless you accept ALL the tenets of the Islamic faith... even the violence directives.



EDIT: Perhaps if Muslims edited the violence directives out of the Quran and the Hadiths, then peaceful Muslims could be the TRUE Muslims.

[Spendulus]

okey. i want to tell you about this. ISLAM not HATE cristiant people, atheis, and the other.
but, in this positions, like a road there is many limb, and THEY ARE is unmissing understand about what the mean in AL-Qur'an and HAdist from My Prophet Muhammad abseloutely. The Pillars of ISlam there is no Jihad make a warfare, bombardment, and etc.
understand about this not of all Muslim like that..
we love peace, and we not problemity about a deferrent you are, and what your religion, we not problemity with that.
we can life side by side.
even, there is cristiant and islam have merried. its okey.. life is choice.
we can to choice but after we control by the choice we have choose right?
and Islam hate too the people like make damage with name of "ISLAM" cause ISLAM not lesson about that.
even in Al-Qur'an there is verse about "NOT MAKE DAMAGE IN THE EARTH"
even, The Prophet make a model the very perfect for we, if we should not with each other haveing warfare, if we can pacification with other, why not?
they just the people not understand what te mean about JIHAD. JIHAD is not like that. Islam is very beautyfull for me, and for the people understand about it. thanks, i just tell what i fell, i hope this benefit for us. sorry i dont wanna make hostility.  

Your comment is welcome. No hostility. Don't let the salafi movement speak for you.

 

I agree whole heartedly but must point out.

1.  In the Western world, assertions of well intentioned Muslims to the contrary, the word "JIHAD" is completely hijacked and refers strictly to terrorist acts.  That can't be changed.

2.  In the Western world, the phrase "Allah Akbar" has increasingly been associated with terrorist acts.

So these bad guys really are trying to hijack your religion.  Complete denial of this, as some here have done, is not a step forward.

http://www.shutterstock.com/s/ostrich+head+in+sand/search.html

Right! The honest, more-truthful-Islamic Muslims are trying to hijack Islam from those who are far weaker in the Islamic faith... the ones who are peaceful.

You can't be a strong Muslim unless you accept ALL the tenets of the Islamic faith... even the violence directives.



EDIT: Perhaps if Muslims edited the violence directives out of the Quran and the Hadiths, then peaceful Muslims could be the TRUE Muslims.

I don't agree with what you've said.  Codes of behavior intended to last for thousands of years must contain advise on behavior during both good, and bad times.  That includes how one should act when violence is required, such as repelling invaders.

I also do not agree that the weaker are the ones who are peaceful.  The pen is mightier than the sword.

[BADecker]

okey. i want to tell you about this. ISLAM not HATE cristiant people, atheis, and the other.
but, in this positions, like a road there is many limb, and THEY ARE is unmissing understand about what the mean in AL-Qur'an and HAdist from My Prophet Muhammad abseloutely. The Pillars of ISlam there is no Jihad make a warfare, bombardment, and etc.
understand about this not of all Muslim like that..
we love peace, and we not problemity about a deferrent you are, and what your religion, we not problemity with that.
we can life side by side.
even, there is cristiant and islam have merried. its okey.. life is choice.
we can to choice but after we control by the choice we have choose right?
and Islam hate too the people like make damage with name of "ISLAM" cause ISLAM not lesson about that.
even in Al-Qur'an there is verse about "NOT MAKE DAMAGE IN THE EARTH"
even, The Prophet make a model the very perfect for we, if we should not with each other haveing warfare, if we can pacification with other, why not?
they just the people not understand what te mean about JIHAD. JIHAD is not like that. Islam is very beautyfull for me, and for the people understand about it. thanks, i just tell what i fell, i hope this benefit for us. sorry i dont wanna make hostility.  

Your comment is welcome. No hostility. Don't let the salafi movement speak for you.

 

I agree whole heartedly but must point out.

1.  In the Western world, assertions of well intentioned Muslims to the contrary, the word "JIHAD" is completely hijacked and refers strictly to terrorist acts.  That can't be changed.

2.  In the Western world, the phrase "Allah Akbar" has increasingly been associated with terrorist acts.

So these bad guys really are trying to hijack your religion.  Complete denial of this, as some here have done, is not a step forward.

http://www.shutterstock.com/s/ostrich+head+in+sand/search.html

Right! The honest, more-truthful-Islamic Muslims are trying to hijack Islam from those who are far weaker in the Islamic faith... the ones who are peaceful.

You can't be a strong Muslim unless you accept ALL the tenets of the Islamic faith... even the violence directives.



EDIT: Perhaps if Muslims edited the violence directives out of the Quran and the Hadiths, then peaceful Muslims could be the TRUE Muslims.

I don't agree with what you've said.  Codes of behavior intended to last for thousands of years must contain advise on behavior during both good, and bad times.  That includes how one should act when violence is required, such as repelling invaders.

I also do not agree that the weaker are the ones who are peaceful.  The pen is mightier than the sword.

The pen is NOT mightier than the sword. It is the allegiance of those wielding the swords to the one who is wielding the pen that makes the pen SEEM mightier at times.

Perhaps Islamic written violence directives are indeed interpreted by the majority of Muslims as defensive directives, only. However, because of the clear wording, and because there are Arabic language professionals who show that the clear wording means aggressive violence at times rather than simply defensive, then those who set up non-violent Islamic codes of behavior for Muslims over hundreds of years, have been turning Muslims from the pure Islamic faith for hundreds of years.

This means that we have at least a dualistic Islam. If you as a Muslim want to get out of the duplicity of your religion, edit the violence directives out of your written word.

[Muhammed Zakir]

okey. i want to tell you about this. ISLAM not HATE cristiant people, atheis, and the other.
but, in this positions, like a road there is many limb, and THEY ARE is unmissing understand about what the mean in AL-Qur'an and HAdist from My Prophet Muhammad abseloutely. The Pillars of ISlam there is no Jihad make a warfare, bombardment, and etc.
understand about this not of all Muslim like that..
we love peace, and we not problemity about a deferrent you are, and what your religion, we not problemity with that.
we can life side by side.
even, there is cristiant and islam have merried. its okey.. life is choice.
we can to choice but after we control by the choice we have choose right?
and Islam hate too the people like make damage with name of "ISLAM" cause ISLAM not lesson about that.
even in Al-Qur'an there is verse about "NOT MAKE DAMAGE IN THE EARTH"
even, The Prophet make a model the very perfect for we, if we should not with each other haveing warfare, if we can pacification with other, why not?
they just the people not understand what te mean about JIHAD. JIHAD is not like that. Islam is very beautyfull for me, and for the people understand about it. thanks, i just tell what i fell, i hope this benefit for us. sorry i dont wanna make hostility. 

Your comment is welcome. No hostility. Don't let the salafi movement speak for you.

 

I agree whole heartedly but must point out.

1.  In the Western world, assertions of well intentioned Muslims to the contrary, the word "JIHAD" is completely hijacked and refers strictly to terrorist acts.  That can't be changed.

2.  In the Western world, the phrase "Allah Akbar" has increasingly been associated with terrorist acts.

So these bad guys really are trying to hijack your religion.  Complete denial of this, as some here have done, is not a step forward.

http://www.shutterstock.com/s/ostrich+head+in+sand/search.html

Right! The honest, more-truthful-Islamic Muslims are trying to hijack Islam from those who are far weaker in the Islamic faith... the ones who are peaceful.

You can't be a strong Muslim unless you accept ALL the tenets of the Islamic faith... even the violence directives.



EDIT: Perhaps if Muslims edited the violence directives out of the Quran and the Hadiths, then peaceful Muslims could be the TRUE Muslims.

I don't agree with what you've said.  Codes of behavior intended to last for thousands of years must contain advise on behavior during both good, and bad times.  That includes how one should act when violence is required, such as repelling invaders.

I also do not agree that the weaker are the ones who are peaceful.  The pen is mightier than the sword.

The pen is NOT mightier than the sword. It is the allegiance of those wielding the swords to the one who is wielding the pen that makes the pen SEEM mightier at times.

Perhaps Islamic written violence directives are indeed interpreted by the majority of Muslims as defensive directives, only. However, because of the clear wording, and because there are Arabic language professionals who show that the clear wording means aggressive violence at times rather than simply defensive, then those who set up non-violent Islamic codes of behavior for Muslims over hundreds of years, have been turning Muslims from the pure Islamic faith for hundreds of years.

This means that we have at least a dualistic Islam. If you as a Muslim want to get out of the duplicity of your religion, edit the violence directives out of your written word.

Well, I don't know what to say to "you".

They are twisting according to their likes. They maybe Arabic language professionals but they are liars who twist things to fit their own needs. Well, ignore if you want and/or keep spreading disinformation.

[Wilikon]

CAIR ACCUSES EX-MUSLIM OF "RACISM" AGAINST MUSLIMS


CAIR is still trying to promote its strange claim that criticism of its ideology is racist. You would think that someone at CAIR could spend the millions and millions of dollars the organization blows attacking  America and defending terrorists to buy a dictionary.

Its latest disgusting attempt took place after the Chattanooga Muslim terror attack which murdered five American service members while CAIR tried to claim that Muslims were the real victims.

CAIR retweeted a piece by Natasha Norman, who specializes in feminism and Islam, titled, “These Islamophobic Chattanooga Tweets Prove Racism Is More Than Just Black & White”. Islam isn’t a race. It’s an ideology. But things got even sillier from there.

Norman's piece spotlighted a tweet by cartoonist Bosch Fawstin, who had faced his own murder attempt during the Muslim terror attack in Garland, Texas.

Bosch Fawstin is a critic of Islam who was raised in a Muslim family. If criticism of Islam is "racism", did Bosch somehow change races?

 The ridiculous claims that criticism of Islam is an act of bigotry fail to take into account the fact that former Muslims like Bosch, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Firoozeh Bazrafkan have been some of the sharpest critics of the ideology. Did they also change races?


http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/259514/cair-accuses-ex-muslim-racism-against-muslims-daniel-greenfield

[BADecker]

okey. i want to tell you about this. ISLAM not HATE cristiant people, atheis, and the other.
but, in this positions, like a road there is many limb, and THEY ARE is unmissing understand about what the mean in AL-Qur'an and HAdist from My Prophet Muhammad abseloutely. The Pillars of ISlam there is no Jihad make a warfare, bombardment, and etc.
understand about this not of all Muslim like that..
we love peace, and we not problemity about a deferrent you are, and what your religion, we not problemity with that.
we can life side by side.
even, there is cristiant and islam have merried. its okey.. life is choice.
we can to choice but after we control by the choice we have choose right?
and Islam hate too the people like make damage with name of "ISLAM" cause ISLAM not lesson about that.
even in Al-Qur'an there is verse about "NOT MAKE DAMAGE IN THE EARTH"
even, The Prophet make a model the very perfect for we, if we should not with each other haveing warfare, if we can pacification with other, why not?
they just the people not understand what te mean about JIHAD. JIHAD is not like that. Islam is very beautyfull for me, and for the people understand about it. thanks, i just tell what i fell, i hope this benefit for us. sorry i dont wanna make hostility.  

Your comment is welcome. No hostility. Don't let the salafi movement speak for you.

 

I agree whole heartedly but must point out.

1.  In the Western world, assertions of well intentioned Muslims to the contrary, the word "JIHAD" is completely hijacked and refers strictly to terrorist acts.  That can't be changed.

2.  In the Western world, the phrase "Allah Akbar" has increasingly been associated with terrorist acts.

So these bad guys really are trying to hijack your religion.  Complete denial of this, as some here have done, is not a step forward.

http://www.shutterstock.com/s/ostrich+head+in+sand/search.html

Right! The honest, more-truthful-Islamic Muslims are trying to hijack Islam from those who are far weaker in the Islamic faith... the ones who are peaceful.

You can't be a strong Muslim unless you accept ALL the tenets of the Islamic faith... even the violence directives.



EDIT: Perhaps if Muslims edited the violence directives out of the Quran and the Hadiths, then peaceful Muslims could be the TRUE Muslims.

I don't agree with what you've said.  Codes of behavior intended to last for thousands of years must contain advise on behavior during both good, and bad times.  That includes how one should act when violence is required, such as repelling invaders.

I also do not agree that the weaker are the ones who are peaceful.  The pen is mightier than the sword.

The pen is NOT mightier than the sword. It is the allegiance of those wielding the swords to the one who is wielding the pen that makes the pen SEEM mightier at times.

Perhaps Islamic written violence directives are indeed interpreted by the majority of Muslims as defensive directives, only. However, because of the clear wording, and because there are Arabic language professionals who show that the clear wording means aggressive violence at times rather than simply defensive, then those who set up non-violent Islamic codes of behavior for Muslims over hundreds of years, have been turning Muslims from the pure Islamic faith for hundreds of years.

This means that we have at least a dualistic Islam. If you as a Muslim want to get out of the duplicity of your religion, edit the violence directives out of your written word.

Well, I don't know what to say to "you".

They are twisting according to their likes. They maybe Arabic language professionals but they are liars who twist things to fit their own needs. Well, ignore if you want and/or keep spreading disinformation.

They are not twisting according to the language. Rather, it is the Islam "professionals" who have twisted the Arabic language to mean something it generally does not. In other words, Islam has converted Arabic into another form of Arabic, a dialect of Arabic, so to speak. Then Muslims use the two dialects interchangeably, at will, not even realizing that they are doing it.

To say it simple, if there were an Arab-speaking person who was fluent in Arabic - like it was his native, birth language - and he didn't have the least bit of knowledge of Islam, and he read the violence directives in the Quran and the Hadiths for the first time, he would be shocked that this religion called Islam had so many violence directives in it.

So, if he went to the teachers of Islam, and they taught him that the violence directives were not really directives, but at worst were simply defensive in nature to protect Muslims from attack by their enemies, he would have a change of understanding of the Arabic language, even if he didn't recognize the dual nature of the two "dialects," regular Arabic and Islamic Arabic.

[Muhammed Zakir]

okey. i want to tell you about this. ISLAM not HATE cristiant people, atheis, and the other.
but, in this positions, like a road there is many limb, and THEY ARE is unmissing understand about what the mean in AL-Qur'an and HAdist from My Prophet Muhammad abseloutely. The Pillars of ISlam there is no Jihad make a warfare, bombardment, and etc.
understand about this not of all Muslim like that..
we love peace, and we not problemity about a deferrent you are, and what your religion, we not problemity with that.
we can life side by side.
even, there is cristiant and islam have merried. its okey.. life is choice.
we can to choice but after we control by the choice we have choose right?
and Islam hate too the people like make damage with name of "ISLAM" cause ISLAM not lesson about that.
even in Al-Qur'an there is verse about "NOT MAKE DAMAGE IN THE EARTH"
even, The Prophet make a model the very perfect for we, if we should not with each other haveing warfare, if we can pacification with other, why not?
they just the people not understand what te mean about JIHAD. JIHAD is not like that. Islam is very beautyfull for me, and for the people understand about it. thanks, i just tell what i fell, i hope this benefit for us. sorry i dont wanna make hostility. 

Your comment is welcome. No hostility. Don't let the salafi movement speak for you.

 

I agree whole heartedly but must point out.

1.  In the Western world, assertions of well intentioned Muslims to the contrary, the word "JIHAD" is completely hijacked and refers strictly to terrorist acts.  That can't be changed.

2.  In the Western world, the phrase "Allah Akbar" has increasingly been associated with terrorist acts.

So these bad guys really are trying to hijack your religion.  Complete denial of this, as some here have done, is not a step forward.

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Right! The honest, more-truthful-Islamic Muslims are trying to hijack Islam from those who are far weaker in the Islamic faith... the ones who are peaceful.

You can't be a strong Muslim unless you accept ALL the tenets of the Islamic faith... even the violence directives.



EDIT: Perhaps if Muslims edited the violence directives out of the Quran and the Hadiths, then peaceful Muslims could be the TRUE Muslims.

I don't agree with what you've said.  Codes of behavior intended to last for thousands of years must contain advise on behavior during both good, and bad times.  That includes how one should act when violence is required, such as repelling invaders.

I also do not agree that the weaker are the ones who are peaceful.  The pen is mightier than the sword.

The pen is NOT mightier than the sword. It is the allegiance of those wielding the swords to the one who is wielding the pen that makes the pen SEEM mightier at times.

Perhaps Islamic written violence directives are indeed interpreted by the majority of Muslims as defensive directives, only. However, because of the clear wording, and because there are Arabic language professionals who show that the clear wording means aggressive violence at times rather than simply defensive, then those who set up non-violent Islamic codes of behavior for Muslims over hundreds of years, have been turning Muslims from the pure Islamic faith for hundreds of years.

This means that we have at least a dualistic Islam. If you as a Muslim want to get out of the duplicity of your religion, edit the violence directives out of your written word.

Well, I don't know what to say to "you".

They are twisting according to their likes. They maybe Arabic language professionals but they are liars who twist things to fit their own needs. Well, ignore if you want and/or keep spreading disinformation.

They are not twisting according to the language. Rather, it is the Islam "professionals" who have twisted the Arabic language to mean something it generally does not. In other words, Islam has converted Arabic into another form of Arabic, a dialect of Arabic, so to speak. Then Muslims use the two dialects interchangeably, at will, not even realizing that they are doing it.

You are wrong.

To say it simple, if there were an Arab-speaking person who was fluent in Arabic - like it was his native, birth language - and he didn't have the least bit of knowledge of Islam, and he read the violence directives in the Quran and the Hadiths for the first time, he would be shocked that this religion called Islam had so many violence directives in it.

No, he won't.

So, if he went to the teachers of Islam, and they taught him that the violence directives were not really directives, but at worst were simply defensive in nature to protect Muslims from attack by their enemies, he would have a change of understanding of the Arabic language, even if he didn't recognize the dual nature of the two "dialects," regular Arabic and Islamic Arabic.

You see, people who twists things who you call as "Arabic language professionals" deny/ignore grammars and all to make those verses support their actions. I have started studying Arabic before I learned a lot about Islam and the translations were not having any problems if you don't have grammar mistakes. In Arabic, there are lot of important grammars such as "va", "al" etc... which those people ignore. For example, 'Jihad' in pure linguistic sense, it does not mean 'holy war' like they claim. In pure linguistic meaning, word for "holy war" is "al-harb".

[jaysabi]

I'm making a valid point as a humanist. I'm not sure what your motivation is in obfuscation.

I am giving you the right to ask away. Why aren't you happy about me giving you permission to express yourself? Obfuscation? Nope.

 

Your premises are flawed (almost certainly intentionally) so can only be regarded as obfuscation since you're no longer contributing anything relevant to what lead you on this tangent.

I am not the one defending the rights of gays under sharia law... I am just saying they have none. I never said it was cool what happened to turing. I am saying he does not exist under sharia law.

I told you not to trust my answer and ask muslims here in this thread. You are afraid to ask, saying it is irrelevant to have the opinion of people with the knowledge of sharia law.

I know enough that I do not know enough so to feel superior to believe I am talking in the name of all muslims here, not needing a direct answer from them...

I agree they have none. Turing may have been killed instantly under Sharia Law. Or they may have used his skills to aid their war effort and then killed him after, the way Britain used his skills to help the war effort and then castrated him after they were done with him. The reason I'm not asking Muslims is because it's not relevant to my point. I concede he may have been murdered under Sharia Law, and that doesn't affect my point that Britain has no standing to claim moral superiority for castrating him for being gay.