However, Quickseller isn't stalking me. He hasn't spend the better part of two years trying to dox me. So, understandably, I don't have the same emotional reaction that Suchmoon may have towards his continued deceitful methods. I have however been a target of Quickseller over a span of years, yet some how that doesn't count does it? |
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And H1N1 is a form of flu. What is your point? |
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Communism is just so diverse I can't possibly define it, and if you try to define it I meant the OTHER type of communism!
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mobilization of the "get Quickseller at all costs" mob You make it sound like we're a posse hellbent on a lynching, but you are misrepresenting the situation quite dramatically. First, you're neglecting the fact that many of this so-called mob has had these suspicions for well over six months. Not one of the mob members went looking to tarnish PN7's account, and a neutral review by suchmoon was sufficient for most of us. So, who spurred this latest bout of drama? I would suggest the majority of the blame should rest squarely on PrimeNumber7 himself for nominating himself for the "newbie of the year" contest. None of this would be an issue if he would have been content to build his account remain below the radar. Even after the drama started to unfold, in the first post I made on the subject I said the following: If PN7 truly is QS (which I believe to be the case) and his goal is to rank-up and earn signature bounties, I really don't care, and wish him luck.
So, please stop trying to make this sound like some witch hunt by a bunch blood-thirsty Quickseller hunters. The facts don't support your hyperbole. That is exactly what this is. That is exactly what Quickseller is guilty of himself. You all just want to have it both ways where it is excusable for you but not for him. Oh wow, they were making accusations for over 6 months! Clearly that makes the claims more useful and valid because they repeated it over and over. |
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Well for a start perhaps this mobilization of the "get Quickseller at all costs" mob could be called off. So what if he has an alt. Leave a neutral on the suspect accounts and call it a day. What the fuck are we even doing here? This is counterproductive in many ways and sets a very bad precedent.
Ok, mobsters, back off. As for what we're doing here - you tell me. I thought this was settled on page 2 or 3 before you decided to fan the flames because of a neutral feedback I left months ago. Yeah, you're right. I am the one who started multiple threads over this. The fact that I posted, in them, clearly that is the problem. You skipped the "call it a day" part. |
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As I explained before, there is no path to redemption with you people no matter what he does anyway. Thus, you literally give him zero incentive to change his behavior. You are all Quickseller.
That's a good point. What would you like to see done as an incentive for him to change his behavior? Well for a start perhaps this mobilization of the "get Quickseller at all costs" mob could be called off. So what if he has an alt. Leave a neutral on the suspect accounts and call it a day. What the fuck are we even doing here? This is counterproductive in many ways and sets a very bad precedent. |
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If there is any ambiguity neutral ratings or posts in the sales thread should be the end of it. Anything more is inviting abuse. |
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Why is it so important to tie these two accounts together?
Funny you should ask that. Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.Apply a Groucho Marx mask, and: Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.If someone whom I explicitly distrust disguised himself and tricked me into trusting him, I would want to know. I would also admit my mistake, rectify it, and move on with life. I wouldn't deflect blame for my error onto those who exposed the disguise. Not even if those messengers were people with whom I've had a history of disagreements. No one tricked me into doing shit. You are mistaken. I simply do not give a fuck or consider Quickseller enough of a threat to take 30 seconds to change my inclusions even if it is him. This is just more "NO U" tactics designed to try to cast blame on me because I dare have a different opinion than you. No one was talking about this until I started pointing out how these accusations are based 100% on petty bullshit and manufactured by all the same people with disputes with him. He has been a dishonest troll. So fucking what? I consider several of you going after Quickseller here to be dishonest trolls as well. Is he stealing from people? No? Then leave it the fuck out of the trust system. This is all just a campaign targeted at a person who has been a pain in the ass to all the people targeting him, and it is extremely transparent. This is all very selfish self serving drama that is destructive to the community to make this kind of behavior a precedent. You are going around in the name of making the forum a better place and using that authority as a cudgel to attack people with whom you have long standing personal disputes. I find this bullshit you are whipping EXACTLY as destructive as anything Quickseller has ever done, because really it is the same bullshit, just going the other direction, and I spoke out about it then too when he was perpetrating it. ~
He's been so fundamentally dishonest with malicious intent (like the blatant lies he makes up about other people, one of which he apologized for recently, a few hundred to go) that it would be prudent to be aware of his alts as much as reasonably possible on this forum. I think I've said earlier in this thread (or the other one, can't keep up with this shit) that if he had genuinely turned the corner 4 years ago he could have a decent reputation by now but he kept digging his hole - complete with sockpuppeting and all the other nonsense that got him into trouble to begin with - to the point where I don't think I can believe anymore that he has the capacity of true remorse and reform. This might be petty, I don't know, it's up to others to decide. As I explained before, there is no path to redemption with you people no matter what he does anyway. Thus, you literally give him zero incentive to change his behavior. You are all Quickseller. |
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Yes, we have been over this already. Any excuse to ignore the disturbing goals and intent of the current Virginia administration, that is the substance. "snuck through" refers to the fact that the gun law was used as a distraction while these other laws were introduced. You keep obsessing about the pimple on your face while gangrene takes your leg. This is about protecting yourself from the cognitive dissonance you would experience by examining the goals and contents of these laws by focusing on peripheral issues to minimize and dismiss it.
You're really reaching hard now to justify your (continued) posting of utterly fake news. Again, none of these bills have been passed, and no "secret executive order" was issued. You're worrying about a problem that doesn't exist. I suggest you find a better hobby for your own well being. You are really just repeating the same thing you have said 3 times in a row now. Who is try harding? If some one is walking towards you in a dark alley with a knife, he hasn't stabbed you yet, so the problem doesn't exist right? No need to take any action until AFTER he stabs you. Perfect logic Nutilduuuuhhh. |
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Its because strawman is actually the best type of argument to make against communism or socialism. Capitalists aren't comfortable arguing against the core principals of communism so they have to make up things to pin on it. This is how smears work. People put up all sorts of points against the ideology but how often do you see someone actually cite communist or socialist literature, and then make points against it. Most of the people are arguing against the soviet union which no longer exists. Thats another form of strawman. I should call it a deadman. If you want to avoid strawmanning all the time, I suggest you go to some party platforms and read them. I think most people here have "learned" about socialism from capitalists which is the cause for so many strawmen. Go to primary literature. Of course its much easier to make an argument against some BS you made up than it is to say "workers don't deserve power"https://www.cpusa.org/party_info/party-program/We see revolution as a profoundly democratic process, one that involves the actions and decisions of the vast majority. We reject all approaches that welcome and seek violent action. Reading just two sentences from that page already destroys what most people think about communism. Communism has no core principles. Communism is amorphous and changes depending on the argument presented against it, then people like you constantly shifting the goal posts cry "NO that is a straw man, that is not real communism, this is real communism!" You then proceed to rattle off some other equally amorphous ill defined definition, then use the same tactic again once the end of that road is reached. Rinse and repeat. You are addressing nothing even approaching logic. You have sophistry, rhetoric, and pathos. I also enjoy the part where you accuse me of "strawmanning" as you literally make a statement on by behalf as if I said it and expect me to defend that. Maybe actually learn what the words you use mean, because they don't mean what you think they do. Of course, words are just a means to an end to acheive your goals, not a system of logic right? So let the amorphous goal post shifting begin! |
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Not really. I'm not saying the disease is not deadly but its definitely of less concern than something that is already highly infectious, deadly and fully spread like the flu. Its just about sensationalism in the media and fear-mongering that appeals to xenophobic bias against China. There are new strains of the flu every year that are much more deadly and aren't covered by the flu vaccine but they hardly get any coverage. Like, how many of the people criticizing Chinese for eating "strange" animals are actually vegan? How many of them know or care about the amounts of antibiotic resistant bacteria that come off of animal farms into the human population and kills thousands each year?
Diseases only seem get a lot of scary coverage when they come from the global south. Remember ebola? As usual, you show facts, logic and science are not your strong suit. Because people are reporting on an outbreak and it began in China, it is automatically xenophobia? WHAT? As this is a novel virus, the true fatality rates are not yet possible to be known, but some how you are smarter than all of the worlds epidemiologists combined apparently and have the real scoop. This virus, on the LOW END possible fatality rate based on existing numbers is SEVERAL TIMES more infectious than regular flu MINIMUM. Based on China's past history of fudging these numbers as they did with the S.A.R.S. outbreak, these can not be considered reliable. Other estimates put the fatality rate as high as 38%. No there aren't new strains of flu every year more deadly than this. That is fucking retarded. Additionally antibiotic resistant bacteria is a totally different subject. We might as well talk about how dangerous it is to drive and compare that. As I have said before, you belong no where near "educating" anyone. https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/824075-discussion-estimating-the-cfr-for-2019-ncov |
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Who are these people who want equality of outcome? Not any major socialist or communist party that I can tell you. Show them to me then. Give me a link to their platform to prove its not just the same tired strawman.
and lol you think bezos makes amazon prime work. thats cute. He might as well try to convince a 2 year old Santa Claus doesn't exist. Every criticism you have no argument for is a "strawman", and any time communism was tried was "not real communism". |
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Oh, well other states do it, its ok! You could apply the same logic to legalizing slavery, some how I don't think that premise is a valid one. The point is felons tend to vote Democrat, because Democrats are the party of creating crime so they can profit of of it. They are trying to find any way they can to put their thumbs on the scales. These bills demonstrate clear intent to do this. You two have fun jerking each other off over the headline while you completely ignore the substance though.
We've been over this already. The substance was clearly false. While everyone was watching the gun bills, the Virginia governor snuck through these communist bills. The bills weren't "snuck through." They haven't been passed! The governor can't issue an executive order to magically enact bills. Your whole story was bogus. You should really do a bit more fact checking next time before posting a link. Yes, we have been over this already. Any excuse to ignore the disturbing goals and intent of the current Virginia administration, that is the substance. "snuck through" refers to the fact that the gun law was used as a distraction while these other laws were introduced. You keep obsessing about the pimple on your face while gangrene takes your leg. This is about protecting yourself from the cognitive dissonance you would experience by examining the goals and contents of these laws by focusing on peripheral issues to minimize and dismiss it. |
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It appears that someone is especially petty and vindictive today.
I’m curious how many other reputations you have damaged via proxies as you did in this case.
False. Your reputation is being damaged by your sleazy sockpuppeting but the good news is that there are some people who don't care and will be happy to trust you regardless. So carry on. Lately Quickseller has been acting more reasonably than you. Think on that for a few minutes. I still haven't got anyone to answer me on why exactly this needs to be made into a federal case. What exactly is Quickseller up to that needs to be exposed so imminently? |
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The only one jumping around is you in a desperate attempt to topic slide and hope people will be distracted from what I am bringing attention to, that you are so far the first one documented to have made the accusation as you pretend it originated elsewhere. More NO U eh?
Why is it so important to identify who was the first documented accuser? So far at least five members have come forward and claimed to have independently arrived at the same conclusions, all around the same time. Why is that so hard to accept? I've said it before; the evidence is all circumstantial, but in combination an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence can be compelling. If you disagree, debunk the evidence. Don't attempt to deflect, and levy an accusation on the person(s) presenting the evidence. I know you've had long running disputes with both nutildah and suchmoon, but it is possible for them to right from time to time, even if you think they are wrong most of the time. Why is it so important to tie these two accounts together? What crimes exactly is this preventing? This is about nothing but petty interpersonal disputes, and the fact that Suchmoon can't document any earlier claims after trying to pretend it wasn't them just solidifies this fact. I like the touch of "NO U" you added as well. Very slick. |
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~JollyGood You are getting too big for your britches. This is not what the trust system is for. It seems the community came to the general consensus that yobit is not too much of a scam for it to be advertised on the forum right?
I don't like that they were allowed to come back and advertise after being banned for it but the community allowed it..
"Oh well I guess CryptoTalk isn't really directly a scam though its parent Yobit facilitates extremely likely scams" -let them advertise
"Oh well I guess Yobit isn't directly a scam though it facilitates extremely likely scams" -let them advertise
"Oh noes!! X10 coin? That is almost definitely a scam so we can't advertise that!! Better just go back to advertising only Yobit, who is a scam advertiser, but indirectly advertising scams is ok? Right guys?" -let them advertise
X10 coin is nothing new for Yobit.. They have been pushing similar "scams" for years since the ROM crap..
I wonder how many DT members are currently accepting payment from Yobit?
Is Yobit a scam or not?
Is advertising for Yobit advertising for a scam or not?
If it is, then why is it here advertising at all?
It's just too darn close to the edge for a clear consensus it seems..
Why can Vispillo be tagged for advertising a "scam" but all the other that do can not?
Because he posted that he thinks one of Yobit's products is a "scam" and therefore is knowingly advertising a "scam"?
So let me get this straight..
If I go find any posts from anyone currently being paid by Yobit, or has been paid by Yobit, who has previously stated that they think any of Yobit's products (past or present) are a "scam" prior to them accepting any form of payment for their advertisement, they should be red tagged?
But no red tags for anyone advertising Yobit as long as they have never themselves stated that they think any Yobit products are a "scam"?
What a situation in that it depends on the post history of all individual advertising users..
Their are probably plenty to be tagged on this basis.. How many even in DT I wonder?
How can this be made consistent one way or another?
Maybe if I go find a couple more examples of users advertising for yobit while having previously stated they think that any yobit product is/was a scam, then it can be decided to tag them all or tag none..
Sound fair?
The only problem is this kind of behavior only expands with this "ok we make it fair by being excessive with everyone". This is the kind of slow creep that takes away everyone's freedoms and ability to be left alone unless directly victimizing others. The kind of people who love running around searching for people to tag over this kind of stuff are salivating over an excuse to just do it for everyone thus retroactively justifying their behavior. Of course you know they will still make exceptions for their pals anyway, but now they have a whole heap of more people to lord over. Is it a "scam" or just a predatory "high risk" investment offering? Where is the line?
Is X10 scam "or just predatory high risk investment offering"? That is literally what he just asked you. The point being by what standard is this applied? The only problem is this kind of behavior only expands with this "ok we make it fair by being excessive with everyone". This is the kind of slow creep that takes away everyone's freedoms and ability to be left alone unless directly victimizing others.
I'm not much of a supporter of giving up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, or in other words, protecting idiots at the expense of loosing valuable users over minor infractions that could possibly put some idiots at greater risk, but if that is what it is then atleast it should be done consistently.. This whole Yobit situation has become too fine of an obfuscated line.. One could definitely make the argument that any advertisement of any Yobit product is advertising a "scam", as in very "high risk" and even predatory "investments"/"scams?".. On the other hand an argument could be made along the lines of "So what?".. If people are stupid enough to buy the crap then they are stupid and stupid is as stupid does.. The current situation is some sort of blurry line drifting around in the sea somewhere between both of those camps, with possible harsh punishment for tripping on it? Stupid situation that wouldn't even exist if users didn't want that yobit dust so badly.. Seems you can get away with a lot more, and push the boundaries, as long as you throw around some coin.. Almost like a bribe.. What can you get away with as long as you are paying? I wouldn't recommend Yobit as a very safe exchange or any of their investments as good investments, but I would use it to dump some coins or something and might recommend to use it to get in, do your business, and get out.. Also, no matter how terrible some coin or asset being traded is, if it has volatility, it can be flipped for a profit.. Teaching people that it is ok to advertise scam because it is not your business if someone can't recognize scam is scammy behavior itself.
Is it a "scam" or just a predatory "high risk" investment offering? Where is the line? Small correction: Yobit's signature was never banned for being a scam, it was banned for spamming the forum.
Right.. After that it's surprising to me that it was welcomed back as it has been, especially considering its borderline scamminess.. But it pays right? crazy-joe=off topic The inconsistency is exactly the issue. This is why we need to err on the side of less interference than more. The same standards applied to call Yobit a scam could be applied to half of the altcoin section and more. For fuck sake crypto itself could be made illegal tomorrow. This is all risky. Additionally risky does not always equal scam. Then who gets to decide how it is applied? Unless the line is clear then all this is going to do is invite tons of abuse and endless drama, and for what? Will it stop any of this stuff at the end of the day? Absolutely not. The integrity of the system as a whole is more important. There needs to be a standard of evidence of theft, violation of contract, or violation of local applicable laws, not just suspicion. The trust system acts as a penalty, as such it should be administered based on this observable evidence, not by how good an accuser is with their creative writing skills and creating plausible theories. This is the entire reason due process exists in law, otherwise the legal system is abused to arbitrarily harass and exploit people for fun and profit like in most 3rd world countries. The trust system is designed to prevent long cons to a lesser extent account farming as a trade history makes farming accounts much more complicated as it takes a lot more work to fake. The system should not be used like a flack cannon to mass flag and tag people because all that will achieve is to teach people to find it common and ignore it as signal noise. Again beyond that, more importantly this assembly line tagging activity consistently drags otherwise unsuspecting people into endless bullshit and drama that drives away productive user base. |
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