you mean this one?

Bravery is overcoming your fear. True fearlessness is a mental illness. To paraphrase Audi Murphy. I've been in a gunfight. I didn't hit shit, and I'm pretty good. It's been 26 years, and I still occasionally wake up in a cold sweat.

At any rate, it's your life. My beliefs don't allow me to tell another man what to do or believe, just what I think he ought to do, and leave him to his own actions.

And as for the last, I rarely take things personal on the internet Something our erstwhile ASIC suppliers ought to learn.

Last I heard, Global had passed the final checks and begun mask construction. That was yesterday, I think.

Free market is not an abstract term, but it has been deliberately obscured for a long time. Primarily by the followers of the "great" John Maynard Keynes. He is one of the people that makes me wish I believed in an afterlife, because the thought of that son of a bitch rotting in hell for all eternity makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

For perspective, I'm coming from the Austrian school of economics, which has thus far been very consistently correct in it's predictive and descriptive ability. Keynesian economics have also been very consistent. It hasn't been right once.

However, I completely agree with your last sentence. It's a large part of why I find cryptocurrency so attractive. It's an attempted end run on the system. I don't know that it will work in the long term, but it's making them nervous. I like it when they are nervous.

I am a free market anarchist. I developed my own philosophy over several decades, so I can't point to one school of thought that defines my philosophy, but the closest would be agorism. I don't see competition as a bad thing, and in your example of taxi drivers, the best service would win out. Which is a function of both price and service. Absent the regulation, it would tend to the mean. Yes, some would win and some would lose. To say that regulation and barriers to entry have little effect on employment is frankly to ignore history completely. Even the most diehard centralist is well aware of the direct correlation there. However, "unemployment" is in itself a somewhat misleading term. I assumed it to mean, in your context, gainful work. If you mean gainful work in the service of another entity, then we have been arguing to cross purposes anyway.

I maintain that we have not run out of things to do, and for gain, and that we never will. The robots are tools. Who's hands they fall into will make a lot of difference in the outcome, but people will find a way to subsist.

Thank you. I wanted to be biased toward them, they did give me a miner. But that doesn't excuse their other behaviours. I've given them as much benefit of the doubt as I could. I was hoping to buy one of the coincraft based machines in a couple of weeks, but now I won't. And no, it's not because of Bruno. I had already reached that conclusion. I'm much more circumspect than he is.

I still don't know why they picked me. I've been an internet/bbs "warrior" for over thirty years. If they did their homework, they would have realized that I'm not so easily bought. But they did choose me, and I've done my best to be honest and honorable. I wish the company had proved out. I do like the miner!

EDIT: I can't recall for sure, but I thought that grumpybearsgirl had posted that the check had cleared.

I was just guessing due to the timing of your post, like maybe you pulled the one up just before the change and loaded yours just after. I could very easily be completely wrong on that.

I have found from my side that everything but the three hour and twelve hour average are extremely variable, even though watching cgminer I see only maybe 2 to 3 percent variance over a short period. But the three hour is usually pretty close to what I observe, and the 12 is even closer. WK is on record as saying the stats page is a work in progress, so I attribute little random glitches to that, as long as the average evens out correctly. If it didn't correct itself, then I would be worried.

Alright, I'm off the fence on this one. I like you and I like Bruno, but I'll call either one of you when you are dead wrong. And you're dead wrong. There are a lot of good reasons for anonymity on the internet. If YOU choose to break your identity wall, that's all well and good. But if a third party posts it without your permission, that is an actionable tort in the United States, and morally wrong period. There are a lot of people who would use that information to harm you out there. Especially if it's known you have money, or something else that a thief might desire, like, I don't know... An electronic money machine?

I in fact think that Bruno is nuts to post his real address and state that there are no weapons in the house. I have little to lose, but still maintain a degree of anonymity. Kevin is my real name, but Biomech is not. I don't post my address, and I assure you, there ARE weapons in my house and I am well schooled in their use. This isn't the wild west where the criminals were flamboyant but far between. This is the modern word, where about half the populace are demonstrably nuts.

Not sure I agree. Dynamite fishing is effective.  Bruno often barks up the wrong tree, but that's because he barks up EVERY tree. Police only give a fuck if there is glamour or a chance to hurt an innocent involved. Or if their masters demand it. I know you aren't foolish enough to think that we imperial subjects are their masters.

He gets off on being a crusader. He also gets a response. Just look at the BlackArrow thread. No official word or action til Bruno pissed them off.

Is he abrasive? Yes.
Is he given to hyperbole and grandiose theories ? Yes.
But... How often has he been dead wrong?

Not many that I have seen.

Besides, he's funny.  

Capitalist, yes. Free market? You seem an intelligent dude, so I'm not going to behead you for that ignorant remark. The only free markets in the US, and most developed nations, are referred to as "black markets" by the media. And they are indeed prosperous. The rest is regulated unto death. A great deal of the lack of labor participation in the US is due to the fact that if you try to engage in any sort of commerce without a small to large fortune backing your endeavors, the barrier to entry via licensing, inspections, necessary bribes, ad nauseam make it nearly impossible. In a free market, the failure rate would be higher, but the losses generally smaller, as the barrier to entry is essentially skill and guts.

Also, of note in your own reply, yes the most developed nations are capitalist. Funny how that works, isn't it? I'm not speaking theoretically when I say socialist societies eat themselves. I'm old enough to have observed it, multiple times. The Soviet Union achieved rather more than most of them, but in the end the necessary contradictions of "public" ownership, as opposed to individual ownership, led to their demise. Socialism is a beautiful concept, if you don't look too deep. It works great for ants, bees, and the Borg. But humans are NOT faceless, replaceable parts in a giant machine. Trying to make us be leads to failure.

The problem you present is real. And yes, I do understand exponential growth (and it's limits!). But the problem is not insurmountable. For one thing, technological advancement does not happen all at once and all in one place. Thus when a certain threshold is passed in one place, those in others observe, react, and where necessary, change course. In a truly free market, this is a quick, dynamic process. In what passes for markets now, it isn't.

The one thing I have in common with socialists is a hatred for the corporate dynamic. Not so much how they organize things, that works, but the very concept of a juridical person. It absolves their leaders of responsibility for atrocious acts. It is exactly the same bullshit as "sovereign immunity" in yet another scam: Central government. Remove the latter, and the former no longer have the patina of legitimacy conferred by the status of Juridical Person. Once that patina of legitimacy is removed, they either have to let the people rise, or show their true colors and raise armies to keep us on their treadmill. Ultimately, the corporatism of the modern age will fail, and when it does, strong individuals will find ways to solve their problems. The weaker or less motivated will emulate them, and we will start making more, different problems for ourselves.

We are a young species. We have come far in a short time, and yes, these issues need to be addressed. But let's not base the solutions on things that have already been proven a failure.

Back on the topic, sorry for the derailment earlier... I too am looking at a lot of different things. One that has already worked for me in a small way is Piggyback mining. See my sig. Full disclosure, if you click my link I get a piece, but it don't affect your output. You can buy rather a lot of hashpower through them if you have the coin for it. I don't, so I'm not making much, but not much beats nothing.

The advice I get from successful 'net marketers runs that way anyway. Lots of little income streams. A penny from a thousand places is 10 bucks... do that every day and it's 300 bucks on average per month. That's chicken feed, but starting from nothing, it's not a bad goal.

Personally, I'm trying to become gainfully unemployed. I'm unemployed right now, due to family issues that require my presence, so I am trying to make my sole income from the web. I mine bitcoin, both via piggyback and an 80GH/s miner. There are a number of other things I'm going to try, and I will try to post up what works and what doesn't in this thread.

I love to write, so I'm most interested in things that involve writing. My coding skills weren't impressive in the 80's, and I ain't even that good now Though I might try to fix that.

That, unfortunately, is a situation I have a great deal of sympathy for Since we're about the same age, I would guess you probably see the same things I do, exceptions notwithstanding. I swallowed my pride and took the food stamps, feeling it a better option than selling my soul to the Feds.

I figure if I call people out on those kinds of choices, it might at least make them think. And in thinking, find a better way. The US Empire is dragging us all to hell. And I say that as an atheist. It has to stop, and it will. All Empires collapse, and the interim is often ugly. It would be nice if this one could be dismantled rather than implode. But that is highly unlikely.

He may be a nice guy. But he works for an organization whose sole purpose is a perversion of everything America was founded on. I'd advise him to look HARD in the mirror, and see if there isn't something better he could do.

I get the same argument about cops. "Well, I know a cop and he's alright..."

He wears the uniform. By putting on that uniform, he has accepted what it stands for. What it stands for is a surrender of self to the Collective, and an open slap in the face to the very concept of liberty. Your friend, by being a voluntary part of an organization that is more terroristic than ANY of the USAcorp's "enemies", has given up the "innocent" title. The Nuremburg defense failed in 1945 for good reason. "Just following orders" is no excuse. If you haven't the moral fortitude to NOT follow egregious orders, then you are either a coward or a willing participant. There really is no middle ground on this.

I am actually a non violent person, but the things that have been done to my country over the past 30 years are horrible. We have become Nazi Germany, only with glitter and better PR. Our rulers have created the largest, most dangerous Empire ever in existence, and they pretend to be representing us. They, and the TSA is definitely part of this, deliberately UNDERMINE our security for the sake of political gain. Fear is the motivator of the masses, and the politicians and their cronies know it, love it, and openly exploit it.

It frankly bugs me at a very deep level, because I have watched this nation go down the fucking drain for a long time. I'm 45 years old, and the country I live in does not even resemble the one I grew up in. That's not a long time to go from a largely free society to a tyrannical nightmare. I do not approve of a police state, nor any of it's agents. Nobody made them choose treason over liberty. It was voluntary, and they are screwing over their fellow man for pennies. The only thing worse than a traitor is a CHEAP traitor. If you are going to sell your soul, don't you think you ought to get value for it?

I thought I had seen him mention that he was working on a Minion based board. I know that there is a Wasp variant being worked on.

I just found it rather amusing that Martin beat Bitmine to the punch with their product. And from the reviews, it works good.

3rd line in cgminer "connected to [...] at diff 64 as user [...]

Also, from time to time you'll see "pool difficulty changed to X" in your accepted shares list.

I'm pretty sure it had more to do with the Thugs and Sexual Assailants taking the opportunity to harass an "uppity" citizen who opted out of their porno scan. I won't fly because of them. Every one of those deviants should be rounded up and publicly shot. They are traitors by the constitutional definition.

I don't bash newbies. Without constant new blood, bitcoin is dead. Just like any other commodity or currency.

Yeah, I know you're being sarcastic, but its one of the things that drives me nuts about this site. I lurked for months before I joined and posted, with the hope of educating myself to the point of not looking like an idiot. I still managed to look like an idiot, but I got jumped several times for simply having a low post count.

Everyone starts somewhere. As far as I know, we got no true immortals at Bitcointalk. Even if we do, the forum is only a few years old.

At a guess.. The diff just changed?

Which won't happen in socialist communities because they will eat themselves first. Long before technological unemployment is actually a concept, let alone a problem.

The truth that has been in our faces since the first proto-human figured out a tool is that when we reduce labor in one area, it opens up new areas.

The other truth, sadly, is that there are always a bunch of whining bastards who proclaim the end of the world whenever the paradigm shifts.

Look at the example you're typing on. It put a lot of professions out of business. Yet it CREATED hundreds more. Possibly thousands, given the flexibility of the Personal Computer.

We are not going to be outcompeted by robots. We will adapt. We always have, and we always will. I am a strong believer in the abilities and potential of the human race. We are a dangerous, misguided, fucked up, creative, and wonderful species who will dominate everything we touch, learning along the way, until we either perish utterly or get off this rock. (which will also be a likely scenario as automation pushes further into our lives.)

Technologically speaking, we should have already colonized near space and be well on our way to the stars. All we lack is the will, and with both automation and an unrestricted breeding cycle, the will will come.

So, you're saying he was a Cypher?

oh, and holly?

@earthcoin: I think you're idea of xfering all of the premine to a few accounts and publishing the transaction hash and public keys is a good idea. It allows a huge amount of transparency, and it will trounce trolls as well as soothe the fearful. It holds you and your team accountable when we can all see it.

I am still of the opinion that you guys can really help push the coin, but that it has enough going on it's own that you are not needed for it's success. That is not intended as an insult, you laid a good foundation. You ARE wanted, and one of the things that is wanted from you is a high degree of transparency regarding the premine.

I've stated my opinion of what will happen in either scenario previously, so I won't rehash it here. I will say that even though I was interested in this coin from the day you announced it, I was also a bit skittish over such a large premine. It's a thorny problem. On the one hand, as a developer you want some coin to throw around for the growth of the coin, but on the other it can easily be twisted to mean something more sinister. I think you would have been wiser to make it smaller.

That being said, I still think it has the potential to be a great product, and if you guys keep pushing, it can get there faster.

So, yeah, my recommendation is to make a public ledger and perhaps even a weekly JP&L either here or at earthcointalk so that the whole community can see what you're doing. It's possible to be pretty open while obscuring necessary secrets of development. It's a fine line, and I appreciate the difficulty.

Thanks for chiming in, and thanks for reading this. I'm still bullish on this coin's future, regardless of it's current exchange rate. If the whole goal of a person's involvement with the coin is FOREX games, well, that's their prerogative and I've no issue with it. But for the coin to succeed in the long term, that cannot be the sole focus. While the premine is hanging over our heads, it distracts from the very infrastructure building you and I are aiming for. It can't hurt to show us the money. And it can help.

Oh... I'll try not to get in any more fights Some days I just wake up on the wrong side of the bed.

EDIT: Typos.