Post a picture of the EWallet they sent you with shipping invoice there buddy. I call shenanigans. Please people do not do anything that legitimizes these assholes. Remember why they are irresponsible business people. A quote from Black Arrow's ToS as they love to quote it as the reason they get to keep customers money without providing anything of value in exchange: "16.2 1 This Agreement shall be interpreted and applied in accordance with the law of Hong Kong S.A.R. of PRC." Lets revisit how BA is complying with consumer protection law: Law of the People's Republic of China on the Protection of Consumer Rights and InterestsChapter VII Legal Responsibility
Article 40 Business operators shall, if the commodities and services they supply involve any of the following circumstances, bear civil liability in accordance
with the provisions of the Law of the People's Republic of China on Product Quality and other relevant laws and regulations, except as otherwise provided in the present Law:
(1) there existing defects in the commodities;
(2) not possessing the properties for use they should possess and no declaration thereabout is made at the time of sale;
(3) not conforming to the standards indicated on the commodities or on the packaging thereof;
(4) not conforming to the state of quality indicated by the product description or by physical samples;
(5) producing commodities that have been formally declared by the State to be eliminated or selling commodities that are no longer effective or deteriorated;
(6) commodities sold being short of weight or quantity;
(7) contents and costs of services being not in conformity with the agreements;
(8) deliberately delaying or unreasonably refusing consumers requests for repair, remanufacture, replacement, return of goods, makeup for the short commodities, return of payment for goods or services, or compensation for losses; 1. Numerous reports of fires, explosions, electrical leakage and DoA units. ✔ 2. Promised to deliver product within a time-frame that would allow the consumer to mine profitably; units delivered between 6 months to a year late or not at all. ✔ 3. Falsified CE certification by placing "Chinese Export" labeling in order to deceive customers and customs officials. ✔ 4. Claimed customers would be able to mine reliably yet numerous reports from customers claim the machines malfunction on a regular basis. ✔ 5. No machines were shipped until the cost of electricity made them ineffective and obsolete for the purposes of mining digital-currency. ✔ 6. Machines shipped to customers if they were lucky enough to receive a unit at all were decreased in value by at least 90%. ✔ 7. Customers who ordered rent-a-minion service instead of hardware have yet to receive any service other than a few cases where a small fraction of the Bitcoins used to pay for their order were sent back with the claim they were mined. ✔ 8. Deliberately delayed shipment of machines to mine digital-currency into their own wallets, refused to provide promised compensation, made customers pay S&H costs on RMA and have refused all refunds. ✔ |
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Giving money to people who remain anonymous is more than risky. It is downright foolish.
And I am not going to BELIEVE a 56 post newbie who might actually be just another sock-puppet pushing sales for Oregon Mines. Sorry if I am being blunt but the question gets asked and never gets answered. Then low and behold someone buys in. That isn't suspect is it? We have seen this sort of pattern before.
If you do not know who the parties are involved then you are taking a big risk.
The owner of DG Rollins Mining LLC is very close to Matt Carson and is likely in contact with him without question or can contact him directly without issue. They have traveled to Israel and Hong Kong working deals for miners and have many dealings that are more than just buddy buddy up to an including the Minersource debacle.
Now if people are really keen on getting involved that is fine and apologize if my accusation is too blunt but let us be honest here NO NAMES of these people or ID's have been presented in order to verify them and heaven forbid you get scammed be able to report them to the right authorities. Also as mentioned before they could like Minersource just take a flyer.
You have been given fair warning.
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Good luck.
Be willing to buy a few for our school project on mining.
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Thanks for the info... I hope customers in future use this information to get better service. I guess issue can develop for people trying to get things resolved through the Chinese end of your operation when you have representation already in the USA. For: None Main land China Customers: For faster warranty/tech support, please contact +1-844-248-6246 option 2 via telephone Support Ticket: support@bitmain.zendesk.com Live Chat https://v2.zopim.com/widget/livechat.html?key=2ZaJsbRPVUUFCqOE8MmgXgbFFdNYxOBPSimply Return the defective item to the following address with a Tracking Number. *90-days from the purchase from the manufacture (not when you purchase it from someone who is reselling it) Bitmain Warranty 3700 Quebec Street Unit 100-239 Denver, Colorado 80207 USA Please include the printed Bitmaintech.com Order Confirmation Page and Printed Return Address and a Brief Description of what is not working for you and a way to reach you Expired Warranty Item can be serviced for fees. (Cost varies) |
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 Bitmain hit and miss at times with customer service.It is not a good day when you see these sorts of posts especially when you have been trying hard to solve issues and help customers. Is Bitmain slipping? This is just one in a handful of such complaints but is this a sign of Bitmain slipping to a state where people should not buy from them? Comments are welcome. …just kidding, the t-shirt is actually nice. TL;DR Bitmain mailed me two broken miners in January. I sent them in for repairs 3 times, which took over a month. I lost out on ROI, asked for compensation, was send 20 mBTC, some stickers and a t-shirt. Basic Narrative:I received the miners on schedule. One wouldn’t turn on at all. The other turned on, but I was having a hard time finding the IP address to be able to log in and change settings (which was just my lack of familiarity with Antminers). I emailed Bitmain informing them of both problems. I was in contact with a technician in China which was a slow process (about 1 email a day). After a few days and getting put in touch with Yoshi (locally, in the States), I was directed to mail in the controller board of Unit #1. I sent it in. While Unit #1 was getting replaced, I noticed that Unit #2 had been hashing at about ½ speed, implying that one of the chips wasn’t working. I checked in with Yoshi, who assured me that nothing was wrong. While we were still going back and forth as to whether Unit #2 was functioning properly, Unit #1’s control board arrived. Unfortunately, Unit #1’s control board arrived still broken (not being able to turn on). I asked Yoshi if I could just send both miners in. He said yes, again assuring me that nothing was wrong with Unit #2. I respectfully disagreed and asked for compensation for all the downtime/lost ROI. He agreed that he would consider it. I sent both in. Just over a week later, both units arrived along with 2x 10 mBTC paper wallets and some stickers. Unit #1 was working and the control board was replaced. Unit #2, however, was still hashing at ½ speed. I called in this time and spoke with Billy. I asked if he would cover shipping costs this time and he agreed (I had paid for shipping the previous two times). I asked Billy about “more” appropriate compensation for all the issues and he agreed to look into it. About a week and a half later Unit #2 arrived in working condition, along with a couple more stickers and a Bitmain black t-shirt. I spoke with Billy and Yoshi multiple times since and I have been declined further compensation. Timeline:12.27.2014 Placed order for 2x Bitmain Antminer S5s; scheduled ship date for 01.04.2015 01.04.2015 Units arrived 01.09.2015 Emailed Bitmain in China asking how to change settings 01.10.2015 Informed Bitmain that one miner was DOA; broken controller board 01.14.2015 Transferred to Yoshi 01.15.2015 Unit #1 controller board shipped to Bitmain; ~$25 shipping cost 01.20.2015 Unit #1 arrived at Bitmain 01.21.2015 Recognized unit #2 was hashing at ~600 Gh/s; emailed Yoshi 01.22.2015 Unit #1 controller board shipped from Bitmain 01.23.2015 Unit #1 controller board arrived; it still does not work; email Yoshi 01.26.2015 Units #1 and #2 shipped to Bitmain (not just controller board); ~$25 shipping cost 01.30.2015 Unit #1 and #2 arrived at Bitmain 02.XX.2015 Units #1 and #2 shipped from Bitmain 02.04.2015 Units #1 and #2 arrive; Unit #1 is fixed; Unit #2 is still hashing at ~600 Gh/s; Bitmain included 2x 10 mBTC paper wallets and stickers; emailed Yoshi 02.05.2015 Unit #2 shipped to Bitmain; $0 (shipping covered by Bitmain) 02.11.2015 Unit #2 arrives at Bitmain 02.12.2015 Unit #2 shipped from Bitmain 02.16.2015 Unit #2 arrives from Bitmain; Unit #2 is fixed; Bitmain included stickers and a Bitmain t-shirt 02.17.2015 Began proper compensation request emails; multiple dropped emails by Bitmain and follow ups by myself 03.12.2015 Yoshi confirmed that no further compensation will be offered. Narrative Part II:When I received these in working condition, I began posting them for sale. I sold them in two separate sales, both to PokeyJones. He was made aware of everything above, in real time. He just received Unit #2 and has noticed that when comparing it to Unit #1 and an additional S5 he purchased, it is not running up to par. Issue can be found in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985159.msg10794078#msg10794078He is currently emailing with Bitmain. We are also discussing where to go from here. I have offered him a full refund. However, we would both like to find proper resolution from Bitmain, so I can keep the sale and he can keep the miner. Personal Debrief:Obviously, I’m disappointed. I mined ~ BTC.15 from the day I received the miners to the last day they were returned to me. By my estimation I would have generated ~ BTC.86. Granted ~ BTC.3 would have gone to electricity costs. But I also incurred ~$50 in shipping charges, which is more than I mined. And, no disrespect to PokeyJones, the circumstances pushed me into a position of having to sell the miners at a loss, which I did not plan on doing. I’ve never heard of Antminers having such issues. Maybe it’s a fluke that both of these arrived defective. I have no idea. I hope that if anyone else has experienced any similar issues, they post about it. If I had seen anyone post anything similar, I would have started writing about this earlier. Even now I’m hesitant posting this, because it is far from my intention to post some victimization piece on my experience and I wouldn’t be happy for it to come off that way. I tried working with Bitmain to sort this out as best I could. So now I’m turning it over to the forum. Thoughts and suggestions welcomed. Cheers! BLC Special thanks to PokeyJones for being patient and proof-reading. |
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Since they like quoting their TOS so much here's a few tidbits "16.2 1 This Agreement shall be interpreted and applied in accordance with the law of Hong Kong S.A.R. of PRC.". Which consumer protection laws haven't they violated?
My personal favorite "How do we protect your information?", "We implement a variety of security measures to maintain the safety of your personal information when you place an order.". They sold my info to spammers!
There is no legal cover for them and what they have done. Just be double sure NOT to buy that E-Wallet. |
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Not for small miners.
Even with low electricity the shipping and cost of the units including all the peripheral add-ons you need really doesn't make any sense. This has been the case since the price drop of BTC.
Yes, sad to say, yes! I'm paying hand over fist for electricity and trying to be as careful as I can manage about buying new (spelt more efficient) miners. It's entirely clear to me I'm not making money, but it surely doesn't help when manufacturers work the deck against me. All I'm asking is that Bitmain refund me their overcharge (not suggesting it was intentional). That 1/3 BTC represents days of KWH expenditure at 14.5cts each. I figure I can only possibly continue to mine BTC until the next halving, after that it'll be just impossible. As you mentioned, here and there I'm also mining Alt, but again as you mentioned, it's pure gamble/risk. I hope you get a resolution. Sucks to be a small miner trying to figure out a way to make a buck. It certainly doesn't help matters when prices of miners fluctuate like the BTC price. My own S2s keep going... and the SP30's lasted 1 month before I sold them making a tidy little profit. It is cut throat out there trust no one. |
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I don't want to sound like an asshole, but... [...] I look it at this way. Why is anyone buying miners given the current BTC price knowing full well there is no return likely on these units even if you have lower power costs? [...]
Further to this there is no way an individual buying a few miners is going to compete with the farms not unless there is a rethink about pooling resources and the very nature of a "home" unit. At this point there is no reasonable argument for buying small miners with limited power availability. It was a bad investment at 369$ or even lower.
That's not entirely true. There are some countries where at this current price mining is still VERY profitable. Mainly, countries where the main power source is of the renewable kind and prices of energy are VERY low compared to other sources (i.e. coal, oil, etc). Not for small miners. Even with low electricity the shipping and cost of the units really doesn't make any sense. If you have the numbers show them here I am willing to accept evidence to contrary. Where is there are miner today who can purchase a $369 Antminer S5 with all the accessories, shipping, taxes etc that can ROI. Love to see those numbers. The only real way you are going to make something is to go larger and get economies of scale in terms of miner unit price and bulk electricity. Even those mines are shutting down less efficient units and selling them off to make money. Otherwise you are best to buy BTC straight and hold that for better returns or possibly as other have mentioned and what I do is mine an Altcoin in the hopes it eventually rises. Either way it is a risk. Buying small lots of new miners in this market place makes little sense given the risks. You have to count the resale value of the units. Most can be sold at a high price on eBay. Go look. People paying by PayPal will pay a premium to buy a used miner. Yes and that is what Bitmain was doing as well. Resale of units they had mining for a good long while as the price of BTC drops it makes this the ONLY way to recoup your investment. As the market matures there will be less and less people buying making this option more and more difficult. So you are taking a calculated risk given the difficulty, price of BTC and the availability of miners in general both new and second hand. Suffice to say you'd be better off buying BTC and holding for all the work and worry involved in miners. Don't go down the cloud mining option please we know many are scams. The options are minimal. Collective projects may be the only option if you want to really see savings but then you are just ramping up the risks. |
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I don't want to sound like an asshole, but... [...] I look it at this way. Why is anyone buying miners given the current BTC price knowing full well there is no return likely on these units even if you have lower power costs? [...]
Further to this there is no way an individual buying a few miners is going to compete with the farms not unless there is a rethink about pooling resources and the very nature of a "home" unit. At this point there is no reasonable argument for buying small miners with limited power availability. It was a bad investment at 369$ or even lower.
That's not entirely true. There are some countries where at this current price mining is still VERY profitable. Mainly, countries where the main power source is of the renewable kind and prices of energy are VERY low compared to other sources (i.e. coal, oil, etc). Not for small miners. Even with low electricity the shipping and cost of the units including all the peripheral add-ons you need really doesn't make any sense. This has been the case since the price drop of BTC. If you have the numbers show them here I am willing to accept evidence to contrary. Where are these miners today who can purchase a $369 Antminer S5 with all the accessories, shipping, taxes etc that can ROI. Love to see those numbers. The only real way you are going to make something is to go larger and get economies of scale in terms of miner unit price and bulk electricity. Even those mines are shutting down less efficient units and selling them off to make money. Otherwise you are best to buy BTC straight and hold that for better returns or possibly as other have mentioned and what I do is mine an Altcoin in the hopes it eventually rises. Either way it is a risk. Buying small lots of new miners in this market place makes little sense given the risks. |
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emoticons ↮ professional
Especially when you're being bent over a barrel with pricing shenanigans, and ineffective responses to support tickets.
I don't care about emoticons, but I do care about jacking the price around and then refusing to refund the difference resulting from my BTC order being the day before the ensuing price drop. If I accepted biting the bullet on paying the $419, then Bitmain has no business refusing to refund the difference at $369. What good are two coupons that require another dual S5 purchase given: 1) My plans include no further S5 purchases (have four including the two just ordered). 2) I have no more BTC at this time (I'm a fixed income home miner, not a data center). 3) The coupons are only good for about half a month. What kind of reputable business doesn't honor its own pricing? Since when does a limited time/limited target coupon equal refund? If the price difference were even held in account, it would be something, but these damn coupons are useless to me. Bend over is right! Caveat Emptor I don't think BTC or Mining hardware is any less or more suspect than other businesses. Although there are certainly are plenty of examples of price gouging in BTC Hardware. Bitmain isn't going make more units a break even or small losses so it does make sense they raise the price and expect "pre-orders" given the long slide of price drops since the S1's was released. I look it at this way. Why is anyone buying miners given the current BTC price knowing full well there is no return likely on these units even if you have lower power costs? It is like you want them to maintain prices so you can make a return on your investment. I see all the complaints as valid in this case with the rapid rise once there were no competitors providing viable alternatives. But the simple solution. Do no buy them. Further to this there is no way an individual buying a few miners is going to compete with the farms not unless there is a rethink about pooling resources and the very nature of a "home" unit. At this point there is no reasonable argument for buying small miners with limited power availability. It was a bad investment at 369$ or even lower. |
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1- Would I buy this product or not :
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2- Or invested in mining Cloud.(And any companies advise me , and why)
3. Take whatever fiat you are thinking of spending on mining, and just buy BTC directly (eg: via Coinbase) This is the best advice. |
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Isn't the warranty return address the same address as Minersource?
Better not be,you'll be sending a miner to a "blackhole"  No it is not. They were both located in the same complex if I am not mistaken until minersource ran off with peoples money and miners. If you want to track down minersource then go to oregonminer they know where Matt Carson is. |
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Dogie is being more than disingenuous here given there are plenty of people in these forums that would agree he is not to be trusted given his posts about certain companies.
Do your own RESEARCH on Dogie's record. There is ample evidence. I am guessing you have not done much reading in the hardware threads. You seem to be Trolling here. I am done responding to your questions until you read to some depth into Dogie otherwise there is no much point in having a discussion. Do your homework. I have read plenty of the complaints against Dogie and CITM. If I were to put trust in either it be hands down CITM based on my own research. Do your own research and catch up with the reality of the situation. |
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Basically his use of these boards is merely to further his advertising sales. Inducing flame wars and bump spam in popular threads is part of that game. He invested a lot of time to create them and it is helpful for many(most) of them. He should earn a small amount from it dor his work. He could have earned much more if he did it for a company or similar. He has the knowledge too. When doing a thing, value isn't for the work but for the knowledge. For example, if you are repairing a hardware, you can see they remove something, they know somethings, they add some etc... Anybody can do such things but they can't remove/add/fix the right one without the *knowledge*. Not really seen any overt abuse by CITM of the system he seems to discuss issues with others
Look carefully. You will see. and resolves them when there are problems.
This might be right but he must keep an eye on trust feedback of people on his trust list. Dogie has no real leg to stand on given his abuses of the trust system.
Show me "abuses" of dogie! Thank you! Edit: I do not trust you because of your misconduct with several manufacturers, therefore I added a tilde in front of your name. That's the reason, I choose not to trust you.
Which "several manufacturers", what "misconduct"? And that is not the method nor venue of how to "not to trust" people. As long as the person in your trust list isn't abusing the trust system, he is good to stay there. Feel free to REVIEW Dogie's transgressions as you say I have to review CITM's. Let me know when you are done. Feel free to explain to me why his SPAMMING threads in order to develop business is a good thing. Let me know when you are done. Feel free to REVIEW Dogie's concerted efforts to degrade certain companies in an effort to promote his own agenda. Let me know when you are done. I do not have to do any more than ask you to do a more thorough review of Dogie's posts and efforts in these forums including his own abuse of the trust system against those who have rightly pointed out as CITM's has that he has lied about certain companies in the hardware threads. That is fair reason to pull him from any trust system. If we are basing on that criteria he is well within his right to do so. Again I have not seen anything that couldn't be resolved with a discussion with CITM. Dogie is being more than disingenuous here given there are plenty of people in these forums that would agree he is not to be trusted given his posts about certain companies. Again let me be clear. I just removed the positive rating I had for Dogie as it is no longer relevant given his transgressions over the past few months. I am seriously entertaining the idea of a negative rating given this is the sort of weak effort to bring people down rather than fix his own issues with trust. Seriously there are few people reading the hardware threads these days that can't see through the BS he is trying pass off as reviews and work for certain companies. It is beyond me why it has taken this long for someone to do this. Nothing shocking in it whatsoever. |
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That is some serious BS service there Xian01.
Has Yoshi been informed and have you got any relief?
No. Didn't pursue the issue any further after rage-deleting the ticket. Too irritated with Bitmain to deal with them right now. I'm really torn on doing any more business with them moving forward. Wrote them a particularly blunt PM over their pricing shenanigans and should probably just leave it at that. Love my two B1 S5's, but damn have Bitmain's business practices taken a turn for the worse since then  Was hoping to pick up two more at $320 when they launched to tinker with different fans, but then, well... the shenanigans happened. I'm waiting for the seemingly inevitable day when they go full KNC or Bitfury... </curmudgeonly-rant> Crystal Ball... I see some sort of quick resolution to your problem. Doesn't help what has happened and the damage it has done to the Bitmain name. |
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Does Oregon Miner employ Matt Carson?When asked about the involvement of Matt Carson in OregonMiner business there has been no response. Customers who want to track him down might want to stop harassing Bitmain and start asking Oregon Miner where he is. There is no doubt that the owner of Oregon Miner knows where Matt Carson is and can contact him without hesitation. We are still getting contacted from the customers of Minersource.net and Miner Hosting LLC... so let us repost this! Also, we are getting inquires from minersource.net customers regarding hosted miners went offline for weeks and missing. We are NOT affiliated with minersource.net or Miner Hosting LLC and we DO NOT have information regarding their business status. We have nothing to do with any miners being hosted by Minersource.net or bobsag3 or Thomas_s. They were either hosted in their Aurora, Colorado facility or some at various locations. Some users posted that Minersource.net was hosting miners at other facilities as well. Please look at the trust feedback related to bobsag3 or Thomas_s for additional information. According to some customers, some miners were sent to MinerSource's Facility in State of Oregon in USA. (We never verified that but it appeared the facility belonged to other company. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976172.20OregonMines.com Since we are getting inquires from MinerSource.net customers, not able to communicate with the sellers.... We have no idea of their status. It could be just their website is down or DNS setting may went bad or whatever the cause may be  If you are MinerSource.net customers who purchased Bitmain Antminer Products and needing tech support or warranty be taken care of, please submit a ticket at http://bitmain.zendesk.com or PM us or call us at +1-844-248-6246 Option 2We CAN NOT issue refund on items purchased from MinerSource.net or Miner Hosting LLC, however, we may be able to assist you with the warranty or tech support need for the Bitmain Antminer Products. Bitmain Product Warranties are 90-days from the factory shipping date. (Not the day you purchased from someone reselling them.) However, we do service miners that are even out of warranty for a small fees. Just let us know what you need and we sure have some solutions for you on Antminer Related Products. Thanks for the info Oregon Mines.
Is DG Rollins LLC or you 'OregonMines.com' related to Matt Carson aka bobsag3 or Minersource.net in anyway? And if so are you still in partnership with Matt as you were before?
Is Matt Carson working for Oregon Mines or part of the DG Rollins LLC? You seem to have avoided that question. The only person pushing this thread down a rabbit hole is Loshia. Typically off topic and has nothing to do the with the thread. Simple questions being asked and answered. The only person that is being impolite is Loshia here, which doesn't surprise anyone given his defense of Martin and Technobit and their scams right up to present times. His personal and sustained attacks on me is well documented. Even though he was warned not to do this by forum moderators he continues to harass me in countless threads. It is fair to ask what Matt Carson's involvement in this is, given the mess he has left behind with a number of deals here in these forums. Any potential customers of DG Rollins LLC should rightly know if he is involved. If he is why isn't Matt coming clean and resolving the countless problems he has with former Minersource customers? Does DG Rollins LLC have contact with Matt Carson? If they do can they not persuade Matt Carson to resolve issues he has with his customers? Given those trips to Black Arrow and Spondoolies involved DG Rollins LLC and Matt Carson together there is certainly a reason to question the current standing and relationship of DG Rollins LLC and Matt Carson. The fact the "Loshia" is involved should also give any customer pause on anything related to a company, he seems only to post in an attempt to defame others and away from the specific question being asked. Smoke screens seem to be unnecessary here given that the principals are willing and able to respond to polite questions about who is involved in their business without resorting to name calling like Martin and Loshia did when questioned about their less than reputable business practices. Clearly there is a "relationship" with Minersource and that might give at least former customers worry if not the whole community. That is why I asked the question so that consumers at least know a relationship did / does exist with these companies. The consumers who might be interested in what is being offered can now measure that information and weigh the risks involved. Without asking that question it was clearly never going to be brought up voluntarily by Oregon Mines. Sample complaints from Loshia favorite company Technobit: This is getting nowhere, the guy isn't even reacting anymore here. Lying about shipping week after week, looks as if this is going like minersource. Pooofff, and they are gone!! not reacting...not replying to contact...email...nothing...looks like this time they are stealing our money  another time?
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I do not trust you because of your misconduct with several manufacturers, therefore I added a tilde in front of your name. That's the reason, I choose not to trust you.
Removed my positive rating of Dogie for the same reason. Basically his use of these boards is merely to further his advertising sales. Inducing flame wars and bump spam in popular threads is part of that game. Not really seen any overt abuse by CITM of the system he seems to discuss issues with others and resolves them when there are problems. Dogie has no real leg to stand on given his abuses of the trust system. |
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That's what I'm talking about. Some useful information given out without the use of emoticons. I would call this professional. Thanks.
I placed a SWIFT order for 2 x S5's @ $320 when they first were released as B5, then sent a support ticket asking for the order to be converted to a BTC purchase after the pricing shenanigans. The support response was, I shit you not, "Please place a new order  " (... yeah, lemme go ahead and do that at your price-gouging $419 offering with your shit-eating grin there... not...) The smiley face made me rage-delete the support ticket and curse loudly - wanted to reach through the monitor to slap whoever was on the other side for being so utterly useless and callous. That is some serious BS service there Xian01. Has Yoshi been informed and have you got any relief? |
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Basically, the bitcoin economy needs more people whose primary motivation is NOT greed.
Consumers will buy miners motivated by what? 1. ROI. 2. Possess cutting edge miners. 3. To support Bitcoin. I think the basic motivation to be a good player or company in Bitcoin has little to do with viability of the company. What the consumer wants will drive what eventually gets made and continues to be made. If you are unwilling to create demand and explore alternatives then you are doomed to failure. You can't continue building things people do not want to buy. Even the scammers recognize that and have given up trying to swindle people who are buying miners. |
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Anyone care to comment on how/when this thread got lockaed, and no unlocked? Seems odd. I am guessing it was a mistake, and probably not by Spondoolies.
I unlocked it, I'm not sure how it got locked. Maybe I pressed the Lock while reading with my mobile by mistake. Guy Thumbs too chubby there buddy. Need a bigger phone screen. |
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