The only people you find complaining on Bitcointalk for the most part are competitors or known trolls like Entropy, Bicknellski, etc...
To answer your question though: No there is nothing valid they bring to the table that qualifies as a scam. Just angry butt hurt trolls who can't stand the fact that all their idiotic "predictions" and false claims turned out to be lies and they are exposed for what they are. So they try to flood the threads and forum with more junk in hopes that people will forget.
try not to drop the soap beeyotch ! I was right... I was right!.... Mind you so were about 100 other people 12 months before I opened my mouth in 2013. |
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Want to thank SPTech for building a great product in the SP30. Just sold the few we had and they were snapped up right away at a very favorable price. They ran non-stop for 30 days without a burp or hiccup over the 4.5Th stated range that was given.
Quality speaks.
Thanks again for the great experience and when conditions are right we hope to get more units.
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You are most welcome.
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I'd love to understand what exactly went on and what everyone was thinking. Maybe my experience was one that they were trying to boost their image by swapping out equipment that was useless anyway and they had plenty of just sitting around.
Guess we'll never know but if enough evidence has been gathered to shut them down, I'm not going to argue.
We know. They were scamming people. Read the FTC documents and read all the posts made in these forums from customers who have complained since day one. BFL is rightly shut down because they were scamming people out of MILLIONS of dollars. |
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So is there a class action lawsuit yet? 'cause I want in on that shit.
I'd think that is now toast in that the trial date was tenatively set from what I remember for middle of jan 2016 just a guess but this will be wrapped up in a bow by then in my view as for Josh nothing will happen to Josh he will just say he was misled and touting the company line as his job Following orders? Really that is his defense is it Searing. LOL! He was involved in the decision making and knew full well what was going on day to day. He can't feign ignorance. There is plenty of evidence just in these forums to use against him if tries that ploy. His only option is to lawyer up and rat out Sonny V and the others at the top. Pretty sure that is where this will end up. Ideally he doesn't do that and tries to ride out the BTC and IRS and Criminal prosecution coming his way and goes down with BFL to the bitter end. |
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Let me clear up nothing real quick: - BFL stole nothing. Unless someone can provide some proof to the contrary, they are lying.
- BFL has scammed no one. Unless someone can provide proof to the contrary, they are lying. (Go on, ask for proof from the trolls claiming scams, you'll never get it.)
Delivering non-advertised product 6+ months later than advertised date along with no refunds = scamming. - There was no promised shipping date for the Monarch line and in fact there were big bold text stating that it is a preorder and subject to delay. Anyone who tells you the Monarch is late and that BFL made promises on delivery time is lying.
- BFL has shipped over 50,000 products in the 65nm line. The failure rate is less than 1% (0.72%) not including power supplies. If you include power supplies, that goes to 1.65%. Far lower than industry average and a simply awesome (lack of) failure rate. Contrast to the
other mining companies shittiest mining companies equipment, which has double digit failure rates and it's even better. Anyone who tells you differently is lying.
FTFY - OP's experience is the norm. People rarely come to a forum to post when they have a positive experience, they usually come and post to complain. After 50,000 units shipped and you look at the complaints, that should tell you something. Most people are not complaining, just a handful of disgruntled people and a whole lot of trolls who aren't even customers.
People rarely come to post positive experience? What about spondoolies/asicminer/bitfury/bitmain/chinese miners/all the non-shit companies? It is amazing that with only 50,000 units shipped you managed to rack up over 1,000 FTC/PP complaints. Must be some sort of record.
And the OP can post his evidence here... he doesn't need to email me. Let the community decide whether his evidence passes muster. Again given the horrible treatment of customers that is well documented particularly the FTC complaints when BFL was NOT giving refunds when they were legally required to do so is something that the probation officer needs for Sonny V. needs to be made aware of. You can't ignore the reality. BFL are morally and ethically challenged and will do anything they can to keep this racket going for a long as they can. There will be plenty of evidence coming to light soon enough that will scatter the cockroaches. |
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http://astrohacker.com/ahc/bitcoin-is-the-economic-singularity/After reading this, the scale of black market and digital economies and the effect Bitcoin will have on them I am pretty certain we are going to be very wealthy men -- even with a sum as small as 10 Bitcoins. It's just so hard to believe. We are only in the beginning storms with these significant rallies from 10 to 20 dollars. I will not be surprised to see prices from hundreds to thousands in the coming months. The world just isn't going to be the same and we have been blessed as the pioneers. What are you going to do with your Bitcoin wealth once your coins hit upwards of $10,000 a pop? Dare to believe. |
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I can only hope that this is just the beginning. Plenty of other manufacturers need to be taken down.
+1 especially those that owe significant compensation to their customers. Also this might also work to WARN those who are slipping on customer service as well. I don't see the FTC as the only gov't agency in the world that will take a shot a bringing these types of BTC fabricators to court or beat them into acting appropriately. Clearly BFL is lower hanging fruit and will go down with a whimper as customers will finally get some compensation from these crooks at the hands of the FTC. |
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LOL.
No debate as I said.
Enjoy the thread.
A thread that RATES EACH COMPANY INTO A LIST TOP TO BOTTOM.
Hahaha. Oh boy. Better than wasting more time than is deserved on an unreasonable dolt with a personal axe to grind. Enjoy your rage. o/ =squeak= Dolt? Axe to grind? Ya... ok buddy we can clearly just let the FTC end the debate here ok? http://www.thewestwire.com/feds-label-bitcoin-miner-maker-butterfly-labs-as-systematic-deception/Have you read the FTC complaint filed? https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1303730-2-main.htmlYa I was out of line. Just a personal grudge nothing to the claims at all. Read it and weep you fucking shill. 0 is the rating that is deserved. In fact, I would for the sake of those injured, just delete BFL completely. Keep the "BFL LEVEL" though as it is clear now they are deserving of the title worst in show. It doesn't surprise anyone here this has happened. At FTC’s Request, Court Halts Bogus Bitcoin Mining Operation
Butterfly Labs Allegedly Delayed Shipment or Failed to Deliver Paid-For Bitcoin Mining Computers, Costing Consumers Tens of Millions
FOR RELEASE
September 23, 2014
TAGS: deceptive/misleading conduct Finance Technology Bureau of Consumer Protection Consumer Protection Credit and Finance |
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More evidence to NEVER buy from Bitmine.  September 22, 2014 06.12.2013 I ordered 1xCoinCraft Desk (Shipping February week 5) for $2,448.00 (order #4018). Because I didn´t get unit as they promised, I asked for refund. Until today I didn´t get unit or money. They do not answer to my emails. I never experience so high level of ignorance. They still offering miners but how they can do that? If they are not able to deliver unit or return money for almost a year, how they can still selling something. They have motto: “For serious miners”. But think twice before you order anything from them. I just showed you how they works and I am not alone. You can find more information on following sites: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524837.60https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=486808.860
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Thanks Bick for hosting this thread and the hard work it must take to maintain it.
... By the way, KNC is placed in its righteous place...
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They sell it at a loss or shut it off & wait........& lose more money........don't know really,I just want to see BTC mining corps out of the mining game or their power diminished by a large margin. In a year,I'm pretty sure,at "home miners" will only make up MAYBE 5% of all mined BTC........I'm being very generous with my figures too  Aren't we there yet? Must be a pretty small amount now. |
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Well Marto, I see you are online, why no comments on the out of order shipping, how can you ship batch 2 orders from 3 weeks old? What have you shipped so far, from MS' pictures it looks not even 25 to the USA?
Because he need to set up his own farm and cloud hashing first to recoup from the losses of buying ALOT of parts to manufacture the boards? Martin got paid in chips, remember?  BULLSHIT. I paid in full. No conversion, no who's in inline shit. I paid straight up for 50. Got the PSU's, breaker boards, fans, all that. Converted half my breaker box to 240... and still nothing. 4 weeks my ass. I should have had 50 boards here, yet difficulty is up another 20% yet again. Marto... please, and I beg you deliver. Timeline for this venture is running out.  In fact our project is delayed too until we finish this GB. We are sending as much miners are ready. And for the payment. Only 2 orders are paid one fiat and one btc Majority of 90+ percent paid with chips So the only ones not paying with chips are Scrappy Do and me. Now can you answer why you are shipping 3 week old batch 2 orders before over 2 month old batch 1 orders instead of ignoring this? Is it about time for a Technobit fucks us over thread? Always had one... this wasn't even the FIRST one. Poor scrappy, he doubled down on the Black Arrow scam. I'm sorry I called him an asshole but he needs to be realistic about 1W/Gh/s at the current difficulty with unreasonably delayed hardware. Maybe he can underclock/undervolt. Refunding every customer who made an order would only cost a small fraction of the revenue they've mined, BA should do the right thing. I wouldn't blame the customer. There is obviously a disconnect again between what the customer expected and what Technobit, Minersource and BA delivered. Be this yet another warning to steer clear of Technobit. Unlike more reputable companies Technobit is willing and has proven they will throw a few customers under the bus every few months for shits and giggles. Why risk it? |
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Wow BTC diff ~ +20% in ~3 days. I thought Guy and RoadStress said it was leveling off ?
BTC @ 392 ? Insane ! WTF ? Is this the end of the world as we know it ?
I'm hoping for $100 or less & lasting at least a month or two,weed out the Corp miners & faint of heart  Not sure that is a good thing... what do they do with massive amounts of inefficient, non-profitable equipment? Firesale. Could be a huge glut and hash rate will unlikely "drop" in that sort of sell off. |
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Money Laundering by BFL? Gleb making a case for it. I wonder if the IRS will be interested in any of this... or maybe they already are?AVOID BFL... there is just no reason to buy anything from them. You wanna hear a really scary thought? Best be sitting down for this one. What if... are you sitting?... What if Sonny Vleisides was the backbone of Bitcoin all along, and now that he's in the hoosegow with you... Holy fuck! Who's feeding her chickens?
Well, that is a good one... I want to believe that all those scammers and crooks that infest the bitcoin ecosystem were independently attracted to it by the unique features of bitcoin -- anonymity, lack of regulation, transfer anywhere in the world without going through banks, a naive community with money to spare, ... I assumed that each scammer recognized the other scammers "by smell", and cooperated with them instinctively, by a natural tacit agreement -- "You will pretend not tp see my scam, and I will pretend not to see yours." So it was, I thought, that Danny Brewster "helped" Ukyo to "resolve" the BitFunder affair, and that the Bitcoin Foundation never had a bad word to say about any scammer. But indeed there is another possibility: that all those scammers were part of a single gang, that saw the "potential" of bitcoin years ago, and recruited suitable soldiers to run the individual scams and occupy key posts in the system... (Dang, I am running out of tinfoil.) Damn, I knew I should've purchased more shares of Alcoa last Thursday. Here's some more shit to ponder: Just ordered another single with bitcoins ... looks like they're using bit-pay now  The blanked Bitcoin address is 1jyAQDoog4F4UFDt8nQCc2bTDGKcWydXdPeople, you can't expect to protect your addresses if you talk about the amount of BTC that was involved in the transaction, and/or if you give the time of the transaction. Remember that the blockchain is public... Note the address: 1jyAQDoog4F4UFDt8nQCc2bTDGKcWydXdA question was once asked: 4.) Who owns the 18UxwNVLPo7vyRkCgs5wusUfhhbMYhApAu address? Is that Eclipse?That address was first used on 2012-04-04 03:09:07 GMT as shown here: https://blockchain.info/tx/be7b4664076706e55b6c81a4790f3f0032a1f7520e8edbbc22ad5ac9eb2a3c00It's the second transaction I choose to use for illustration purposes: https://blockchain.info/tx/301a6cc7ba014d6cd966c94398203384a23bb29696d13c8f96928cef292ead12 at 2012-04-04 11:54:36 GMT. It received funds from https://blockchain.info/address/1CQDJ8j7qRzPqT5PfDNGxgqA1J5ovUrMCd at 2012-04-04 11:54:36 GMT. In turn, the above received funds from https://blockchain.info/address/1FQ7RTfXxXUBrWg1UUJ6r2j8SxfMUsUEQL at 2012-04-04 03:48:49 GMT. And finally, the above received its sole funds from https://blockchain.info/address/1jyAQDoog4F4UFDt8nQCc2bTDGKcWydXd also at 2012-04-04 03:48:49 GMT. (proof below)  https://blockchain.info/address/1jyAQDoog4F4UFDt8nQCc2bTDGKcWydXd is 100% one of BitPay's bitcoin wallet address, they even coming to the tread verifying such, so that's a given. It has had only 28 transactions to date, currently with a 0 BTC balance. It's this address https://blockchain.info/address/1MgotZQSJC2zSim2Vp8rjmz3p6frf7EACo that was used to pay for the BitForce SHA256 Single to BFL via BitPay at 2012-04-04 01:49:29 GMT (shown below).  Pause: There's nothing nefarious about the transaction above. It's only used to show that a miner was purchased from BFL by a Bitcoiner on this forum and that BitPay was used for the transaction. That's all! It's the subsequent transactions that I'll be using to state my case. So, to recap the transactions thus far: 1MgotZQSJC2zSim2Vp8rjmz3p6frf7EACo ---> 1jyAQDoog4F4UFDt8nQCc2bTDGKcWydXd @ 2012-04-04 01:49:29 GMT 1jyAQDoog4F4UFDt8nQCc2bTDGKcWydXd ---> 1FQ7RTfXxXUBrWg1UUJ6r2j8SxfMUsUEQL @ 2012-04-04 03:48:49 GMT 1FQ7RTfXxXUBrWg1UUJ6r2j8SxfMUsUEQL ---> 1CQDJ8j7qRzPqT5PfDNGxgqA1J5ovUrMCd @ 2012-04-04 03:48:49 GMT 1CQDJ8j7qRzPqT5PfDNGxgqA1J5ovUrMCd ---> 18UxwNVLPo7vyRkCgs5wusUfhhbMYhApAu @ 2012-04-04 11:54:36 GMT Bombo999 posted at April 03, 2012, 09:09:31 PM CST after placing his order at 8:49:29 PM CST, 9:49:29 in Atlanta, GA, well past normal operating hours, ergo all transactions up to the last one above can safely be assumed were done automatically via some set parameters. The last transaction's time equates to 2012-04-04 @ 6:54:36 AM CST as in Kansas City. 1MgotZQSJC2zSim2Vp8rjmz3p6frf7EACo: Bombo999 1jyAQDoog4F4UFDt8nQCc2bTDGKcWydXd: BitPay 1FQ7RTfXxXUBrWg1UUJ6r2j8SxfMUsUEQL and 1CQDJ8j7qRzPqT5PfDNGxgqA1J5ovUrMCd: Assume BitPay 18UxwNVLPo7vyRkCgs5wusUfhhbMYhApAu: ? (not sure yet) Next, we have this: https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ - chip sales Safely assume that sonofodi is none other than Sonny Vleisides as proven beyond a shadow of a doubt here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.msg7027843#msg7027843According to: view-source:https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/ <link rel="stylesheet" href="/web/20130625050854cs_/http://cdn2.editmysite.com/css/sites.css?buildTime=1371752720" type="text/css" /><link rel='stylesheet' type='text/css' 1371752720 equates to Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:25:20 GMT. On the archived site is the following pic:  https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/Note the flood and golf course. Now, watch this: Deer Creek Golf Course flooded by rain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm4aEeHJ_4E According to the following, the flood occurred on the morning of May 31, 2013: http://www.kshb.com/news/news-photo-gallery/photos-high-water-in-and-around-kansas-city-after-morning-thunderstorm-may-31-2013Now, check this out: http://static.squarespace.com/static/52829703e4b0920e1902d6c4/t/5292ceebe4b0af26b639a671/1385352939859/EOYC%20BoD%20Minutes%205.20.13.pdfPaul Foltz (Fundraising)
- Paul now has tax-exempt form for sales tax. Alec will attach the form on the
e-mail with the minutes.
- Paul Foltz, Bob Andrews and Tom Vleisides (Annunciation) have been
working to complete EOYC Camp Policies Document that Annunciation has
been requesting. It is close to completion.
o Intro paragraph: Legal names of KC churches will be included.
o 2. Insurance: Last line, we would like to drop “per person”.
o 4. Staffing: “best effort” was changed to “EOYC shall provide”.
- Golf Tourney info: We are going to move to Deer Creek. Cost is $40 per head.
Drink and food can be donated for $10 per person
- Sept. 28th is the date. Alec will get the contract signed this week. From the above, we've gleaned: - May 31, 2013: Flood in KC
- June 20, 2013: Sonofodi site created
- June 25, 2013: Sonofodi site archived
- A Vleisides, as most are, are affiliated with the Greek Orthodox Church in KC
- Tom Vleisides was instrumental in a fundraising campaign in said church
- The fundraising event consisted of a Golf outing at Deer Creek
- Deer Creek was flooded prior to the creation of the Sonofodi site owned by Sonny Vleisides
- Sonny Vleisides is related to Tom Vleisides
The only thing I've yet to accomplish is find the house depicted and its owner, connecting said to Sonny. The one thing we can probably say for sure is that the flood depicted in the image occurred on May 31, 2013, in KC. Now, back to that address: https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ - chip sales https://blockchain.info/address/1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ has only 4 transactions. Here's the first one: https://blockchain.info/tx/ce1000c2b32d26f472730d9e6e0c92da946c7beda8e7bdbe654194ea4925f49d at 2013-06-25 04:15:52 As pointed out by some other - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.msg7027843#msg7027843 - the 1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ bitcoin wallet address was never advertised elsewhere excepted on the archived site linked above, yet it was able to garner funds prior to the creation of Sonny Vleisides' site to the tune of 159.9273 BTC. Looking at the final three transactions: https://blockchain.info/address/1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ Note the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs bitcoin wallet address. Also note the 1DiPE4TnBczmPVoy53tffrd1iNPq87B3PB address: https://blockchain.info/address/1DiPE4TnBczmPVoy53tffrd1iNPq87B3PBAlso 12uyvDAC8LNU8yGcW8dYLGPToSD2JenVfH: https://blockchain.info/address/12uyvDAC8LNU8yGcW8dYLGPToSD2JenVfHBoth addresses (in bold) funds go to 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs the very next day as seen here: https://blockchain.info/tx/827063279c43c50c3f4c690dbf491071386d80068115f48d0beee7e80b4c7f2f Doing a taint analysis of the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs bitcoin wallet address, we discover: https://blockchain.info/taint/1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs Notice the 18UxwNVLPo7vyRkCgs5wusUfhhbMYhApAu bitcoin wallet address at the very top? That's the same that Bombo999's bitcoins gravitated to within hours of him transferring coins via BitPay. (scroll up a tad if you missed it) Hopefully, I've established that both Bombo999 bitcoins used to purchase a miner from BFL and Sonny Vleisides' 1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ address used to amass BTC from the sale of chips, gravitated to the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs bitcoin wallet address. Now, what else is the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs address known for? This:  As seen here - http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11283333.htm - the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs address was used as the infamous $1M USD down payment for the purchase of BFL Monarchs by HashTrade. But, clearly that's an impossibility, for that wallet address either belongs to BFL or BitPay, and I'm assuming the former. If the latter, then there be some 'splainin' to do on BitPay's part. And we sure the hell don't want that, for they're one of the few good guys playin' here in the Bitcoin space, and I love them, Tony, et al. The bottom line is that NO FUCKIN' WAY does the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs bitcoin wallet address belong to HashTrade, and we can safely assume that BFL and HashTrade were/are pullin' a fast one, and, furthermore, BFL has a stash of bitcoins that's being kept from pryin' eyes, e.g., the IRS and Sonny's probation officer, for clearly there's some money laundering going on here, and you can bet your bottom satoshi that Josh Zerlan is smack dab in the middle of it. It was Coinware's HashTrade, et al., that I was just starting to dig into when Josh, once again, called me out as a liar, going as far as offering up a 1 BTC bet that I couldn't go a month without lying. I proposed 10 BTC and two months, whereupon the bet was sealed. Then, in spite of others telling me to hush for two months, I continued to post even more, but had to be very mindful of what to post in BFL's threads for fear of losing the bet, but I did post plenty of safe posts. Come January, Josh did pay up, but for two months, then forward for a few more months, CoinWare, et al., was not discussed much till most recently, now that I've revived it. If this goes to trail, at its end there'll be 12 angry monumental assholes convening for only a short while prior to coming back to the court room with their verdict - GUILTY! ~Bruno Kucinskas
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IF you ask Bick he can provide you with more than 1000 pages .
So go ahead
Wow  Nice "customer service" !!!!! Ya... he really has nailed it. He should give a master class in customer service. |
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Well Marto, I see you are online, why no comments on the out of order shipping, how can you ship batch 2 orders from 3 weeks old? What have you shipped so far, from MS' pictures it looks not even 25 to the USA?
Because he need to set up his own farm and cloud hashing first to recoup from the losses of buying ALOT of parts to manufacture the boards? Martin got paid in chips, remember? BULLSHIT. I paid in full. No conversion, no who's in inline shit. I paid straight up for 50. Got the PSU's, breaker boards, fans, all that. Converted half my breaker box to 240... and still nothing. 4 weeks my ass. I should have had 50 boards here, yet difficulty is up another 20% yet again. Marto... please, and I beg you deliver. Timeline for this venture is running out. In fact our project is delayed too until we finish this GB. We are sending as much miners are ready. And for the payment. Only 2 orders are paid one fiat and one btc Majority of 90+ percent paid with chips So the only ones not paying with chips are Scrappy Do and me. Now can you answer why you are shipping 3 week old batch 2 orders before over 2 month old batch 1 orders instead of ignoring this? Is it about time for a Technobit fucks us over thread? Always had one... this wasn't even the FIRST one. EDIT: More evidence... come on chaps lets be civil please.
Please. Qeu, PM me your order number for your PSUs, ill straiten it out right now. Done. Thanks. Que I feel ya man. He seriously is shipping the smallest first. I complained and complained and now he say's how about partial shipments? Man WTF indeed. Umm shouldn't you take care of orders in which they came? One would think you would fulfill them in the order received, especially when my entire order was paid in fiat. I have never heard of such a business philosophy in my life. Yet daily they are shipping conversion orders out. Its not the fiat he is worried about, its the btc. I have a feeling every conversion he is doing he is moving the other half to the side... feel my drift? I understand martos system of shipping. At first there was problem with MCUs. He could send bad boards or have delay. Okay, for everyone (us as customers, marto as manufacter) is better to have delay instead of RMAs. Problem solved and what now? We have huge delay and so many customers are angry. For company (marto) is better to have one angry customer (with 150 boards) instead of 37 customers (for example 4 boards to one customer). So he sent small orders first. It is not fair for some customers, but is the best what he can do (because company name). Finaly he got 900 neutral customers, 90 positive customers and 10 negative (but from the full set is the smallest group). Ok, this is the smallest evil. I think this is the real status (and marto cannot say this because the angry customers with many boards). It is not fair, but is the life with real business. Ok but by that thinking.. would one not assume that fiat take precedence? He has openly said there are 2 fiat/btc customers. I in fact are one of them, damn near $11k USD. He could not give a shit about me? I understand your point, my point is for every board you ship, you at least have another on the side to take care of those that take care of you. I dunno, it seems like a no brainer to me, but to tell your best paying customers to fuck off, it kinda seems like cut the hand off that feeds you. Unless my boards been up and running the entire time. How about the 100% simply buy from a more reputable company that is interested in handling 100% of the customers with the same respect? That would be the way those Thumbs Up companies do it. |
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The Plot Thickens at BFL... was it a raid, investigation were arrest warrants served? As the rumor persists without denial or confirmation your best move would be TO AVOID BFL at all costs. Usually I would feel this is false until proven. Given my disdain for BFL, I've made calls and sent emails to the office -- and the lack of response would indicate something is going on.
Circle responds to a top reddit post about some stupid decimal bug in their system which is closed beta. I know "nobody cares about you", wouldn't Inaba just love to prove this whole thing wrong?
I might as well make a "Hitler Finds out about BFL Bankruptcy" video now. Put a fork in em, IMO. Or prove us wrong BCP.
Just my BTC .02 but in *every other* online / mail order forced closure by the FTC / IRS / local tax man / local government I have dealt with in the last 15+ years. All the websites were taken down or had a noticed pasted on them and the phones had a message changed to please call this # for more information. Now, w/o more info we don't know what happened. But it just seems odd that there is no information. If there was a not a "raid" but it was just for the government coming to take files to gather information or get documentation then is a different story. They are not closed, but just under investigation. -Dave Here's how the incident was described to me, and it was not a raid (if I used that specific word in earlier posts, i must apologize for my negligence, since you're certainly correct, there is a distinction): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=788886.40 - it's the second post down on that page. you're not the only one to mention the fact that their website is still up. one of the earlier posts i read yesterday over in the 'Legal' forum pointed this out, and i even made a mock order last evening before submitting a post, and mention that i did so. still, with regard to your post, while i admittedly may well be reading affect where there is none, but what i'm reading is that if it was a raid, that is very serious, but if they are simply being investigated by the FTC, that's nearly as big of a deal. is that correct, or close? just trying to understand. if my understanding is correct, while i'd concede that an investigation is not the same as a raid where US Marshals bust in with their weapons drawn, and treat everyone as suspect, i still think it's a big deal when in the morning hours the district court sends someone from a prosecution team to seize property and documents - if only temporarily, send employees home, and do not tell them when or if they are coming back. Furthermore, I've heard that the three people who were served arrest warrants were Sonny V., Jody "Darla" Drake , and Nasser, the CTO. Nasser lives outside the US, and I kind of doubt he'll be extradited. I'm also not sure why he would be implicated, other than he had a different title up until the company did some restructuring starting in the middle of last year. That would be the only reason why I could understand Nasser taking the fall instead of Bruce Bourne (sp?). It's also surprising that Jeff Ownby wasn't implicated. very surprising. It may also be that, given that even the US Marshals office in the KC metro has not confirmed any involvement, that property was seized to look info some of these other players as well, as the case against them wasn't quite strong enough. there are even a few others who i am surprised are not on the hook. the document that Tech.. has mentioned, and that i've also acknowledged, was only filed yesterday. there is a case number, and even if it wasn't currently "sealed" it would take a few days before the document was publicly available. anyone that has the document and is interested in seeing the investigation play out with the hope that those deserving of punishment get their share shouldn't make it available yet. i don't think any of us who have been relaying information we've received are really all that concerned if you believe us right at this moment. since i can only really speak for myself, i can certainly say that i am not. it's been many months since i worked for that outfit, and i have no dog in this fight. i do think that many of their business practices, both during my time there and after, were/are pretty abhorrent. still, believe me or don't, it doesn't matter. every BFL employee that was there at the time got the same document that Tech... and i have mentioned. I've seen the first few pages where it mentioned who they wanted to arrest, and why they were closing down BFL for the investigation. either the feds, a former employee, or someone who has obtained the documents through other means will eventually post them. I don't mean "2 or more months" from not either. within a week, maybe two, the community will get some meat. and yet still, i'm surprised at all the skepticism by many that this all actually took place, or even that it is some kind of BFL conspiracy. they are facing a similar problem regarding shipping as they did with the 65 nm products. the reason those even made it out by the end of November is because the company was given a stern warning by the FTC. that wasn't the only warning, and not the only time the FTC has looked into the company. all of that info is public, save perhaps for the timeline given to the company to finish shipping those firs-generation ASICs. this shouldn't surprise. every day that BFL isn't shipping, it exacerbates the problems they have with the FTC, as the problem never should have gotten out of hand like this after already having gone through the same fucking experience! my guess will be that instead of roaming the halls of BFL in his same old blue sweatpants that Bruce will be sitting at home in said sweatpants. even f this is only an investigation the outcome will not prove positive for the company. 08-23-2013, 11:22 PM #127
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After reading through the BFL forums the last few days, one thing is most evidently clear to me: people are not satisfied at all. I want a refund and legally I have every right to a refund on an internet purchase. I sent an email to Jody and was denied a refund. I am not at all happy about this as it is unethical and very poor business practice. Any legitimate business would issue a prompt refund and an apology immediately.
I wanted to believe in this company and have been patient for long enough. What's fair is fair. We paid, you haven't delivered, give us our money back.
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Considered them a straight up scam as they never delivered so not even on the list. I will remove companies eventually that are not shipping as well to tidy up the list. 6 months no new shipping and I will axe them. |
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If only Marto spent his time answering his customers questions eh? Or spend less time here or making up faux accounts and posts to persuade people to get in line and WAIT for his latest product that will be late. Simple if you are still in the market for miners. AVOID TECHNOBIT... order from people that ship now and on time and RMA without excuses. THUMBS UP suppliers in this thread do that. Technobit does not. Thumbs down. Do not buy from Technobit. Well Marto, I see you are online, why no comments on the out of order shipping, how can you ship batch 2 orders from 3 weeks old? What have you shipped so far, from MS' pictures it looks not even 25 to the USA?
Because he need to set up his own farm and cloud hashing first to recoup from the losses of buying ALOT of parts to manufacture the boards? Martin got paid in chips, remember? . I paid in full. No conversion, no who's in inline shit. I paid straight up for 50. Got the PSU's, breaker boards, fans, all that. Converted half my breaker box to 240... and still nothing. 4 weeks my ass. I should have had 50 boards here, yet difficulty is up another 20% yet again. Marto... please, and I beg you deliver. Timeline for this venture is running out. I check my status of order at Technobit today. It is already shipped (16.09.2014 16:40 Sofia (BG)). I am from Europe and Batch2.
Order from 20.8.2014, chips delivered 28.8 - so about 3 weeks.
This is not cool at all! I was one of the first from batch 1! Who is Macher? Seems funny that many of the posts that are positive in regards to technobit work are from newbs sub 39 posts glowing praise of how great shipping is or how great the rma was or how great the units or how great the communication is. Maybe just maybe this guy is not even a customer and his post is meant to dispel fears that not much of anything has actually shipped. I check my status of order at Technobit today. It is already shipped (16.09.2014 16:40 Sofia (BG)). I am from Europe and Batch2.
Order from 20.8.2014, chips delivered 28.8 - so about 3 weeks.
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