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941  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: September 27, 2014, 04:36:19 AM
Black Arrow Refunds / Miners had been promised, neither delivered to customer satisfaction

Black Arrow still failing to refund people.

Legal action is definitely possible.
 
This article has some interesting info on suing a Chinese Company from the U.S.- http://www.chinalawb...ted_states.html
 
According to a business lawyer friend of mine, the FTC can request that a Chinese company's funds be frozen while litigation takes place. He also said that U.S. companies and consumers sue Chinese companies often, and that they have decent success.
 
I personally haven't considered it yet, but if someone is willing to organize a class action suit, I'm sure plenty of people would be willing to join.
 
I wish BA understood that all they need to do is tell everyone what is going on, and agree to a good compensation plan. I'm positive this would make many customers happy and willing to wait a bit longer. ( The compensation would need to be at least 3x at minimum, but they have the equipment.)
 
If they don't act soon I'm sure we'll see legal action begin. I just hope BA isn't waiting for that to happen before they start delivering.
 
Just my 2 pennies.
If they were going to boost compensation, they would have done so long ago. It's just a stall tactic to keep people placated.

The minion products are a total loss at this point. All customers have been screwed. It's time for BA to own up to that fact.

I believe that we have already informed our customers of this: We are currently waiting for CE to check the X3. Until completed, no shipment can be made.

We would like to ask forum users to stop flooding the thread with obscene messages.

Thank you for your patience.


Provide refunds to those who have requested them and the obscene messages will surely cease. Until then, you will continue to reap what you have sown.

When will this be completed?  When will my orders be sent?  It's been almost a year now. How did you expect this to have come together in February?  Are we getting some 14nm chips in these for compensation?
The 14nm chips are merely a figment of someone's imagination at this point.

Yes, define obscene.  This is not porn channel.  

Black Arrow should refund, as people say.  Refunds have been promised, not delivered.  Take people's money for this and not return as promised is obscene.

I think BA's SOP is to ignore all refund requests .. at least it feels that way, I requested my refund at the beginning of July and never heard anything.  In fact, they deleted my first two refund request tickets on their support site!  The third one is still there but it has been unanswered.

Really wish I had put my BTC behind KNC the second time through, they never let me down on my first miners.
942  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: September 27, 2014, 04:27:42 AM
  KnC woefully is still not compensating customers

KnC customers continue complaints about 0 compensation. Miner troubles with the Titan.

Titanic needs watercooling for proper operation.



i still didnt get my titan WTF!

Don't worry, you aren't alone. I'd be surprised if those incompetent fucks at KNC have sent 20 out so far.

bitmain antminer S4 will be shipped since Sept 29. 2TH, 0.69 J/GH, $1450 USD.

https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140916100720380cS1tRWd00684

And KnC still owes me a bonus miner worth $5995 (or $1000?)...

You didn't hear?  Those bonus miners were just a joke.  They are never coming.  You can just forget about receiving that.  It's just like how "Plan B, Hash While you Wait" disappeared.  KnC is going to argue the contract was for 1 Neptune and they are not obligated to give the 'bonus' they once contemplated.

Class action against kncminer.com

Have you ordered a KnCMiner Titan or Neptune?
Are you fed up with them and are interested in legal action and possibly a class action?

I'm trying to judge whether a class action suit would be a possible. Can you please state what you had ordered and why you would sue them?

Do you know a good lawyer or are a resident in Sweden? It would be helpful to have a contact there.

For example, I ordered a KnCMiner Titan. I am a consumer and would like to get a refund, because their products are unsafe (fire hazard, no CE marking), they have made false representations (Q2/Q3 delivery, 800Watt), and because they act in direct conflict with their customers (Batch 1 vs Batch 2).

My other thread collects information on replies from authorities and lawyers. Please contribute if you can!
943  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: September 27, 2014, 04:19:57 AM
BTCGarden Looks to new Prototype

BTCGarden is working on a new prototype. Customers happy and waiting to see the product.

Thank you all for your supports.
BTCGarden is working on prototype of new model for the time being. Hope we could bring you the new model soon.

Consumers respond

Thank you all for your supports.
BTCGarden is working on prototype of new model for the time being. Hope we could bring you the new model soon.

One of antminer alternative solution we are waiting for

Thank you all for your supports.
BTCGarden is working on prototype of new model for the time being. Hope we could bring you the new model soon.

whis what im waiting ... hope very soon , bcoz prisma is out!!
944  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: September 27, 2014, 04:15:46 AM
BitmainTech continues to keep most of their consumers happy

Minor things like this often happen. BitmainTech usually ups their game and makes sure shipping issues like this get rectified.

Bitmain, I received my two S1 upgrade kits today. Awesome job on the quick shipping and being very well packed. The only issue I have is that I didn't receive thermal paste. I'm going to try to find some around town in the morning, but off hand I don't know of any place. Could you send me some? It sucks I won't have them up and running tonight.
945  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: September 27, 2014, 04:02:06 AM
BFL closed by FTC.

#ASKFTC on the 24th of September was quite good and helped consumers learn more about the current receivership that BFL is under.

Here is a compiled list Here is the full #AskFTC Q&A session regarding Butterfly Labs @ButtCoin https://storify.com/fermunation/askftc

BFL Signature Campaign  

If you want to help the FTC gather more data on BFL and make the court order receiver a permanent fixture at BFL then spread the word in your sig.

Quote
Fraud BFL questions to: eljreceiver@spencerfane.com or call 816-292-8316 or #ASKFTC.

Again you can call 816-292-8316 or #ASKFTC do not let SLok, BCP19, Sonny V., Inaba/Josh walk free.


IMPORTANT PSA for BFL former and current customers:


Latest update on the BFL homepage:

"BF Labs, Inc. has been placed in a temporary receivership pursuant to court order, Case No. 4:14-cv-00815-BCW. There will be a hearing on September 29, 2014 at 9:00 a.m. at the Charles Evans Whittaker Courthouse in Kansas City, Missouri. At the hearing, the court will consider this matter. Questions may be directed to the temporary receiver at: eljreceiver@spencerfane.com or 816-292-8316."

Please people, this aint over "till the fat lady sings"; contact the receiver and explain your position in this!

(My story is something like: ordered in jan. expected delivery in march/april, due to BFL's non-delivery I missed this much BTC income by the time BFL refunded me [after another 45 day wait] in august and I finally could divert that investment to another producer [Antminer] who did deliver in two weeks, in the mean time BFL banned me permanently off the forum so I could not communicate properly with either them or other customers.)


More... DON'T FORGET TO #ASKFTC about the BFL debacle.

in the mean time BFL banned me permanently off the forum so I could not communicate properly with either them or other customers.)

You mixed it up a bit, you could not communicate properly with either them or other customers. If you don't understand that, after about 6 of your posts removed where you just advertised Antminers in The Monarch Update thread, that you should stop doing so, and just keep on doing it, well....
Sorry SLok, but you are the one who's got it mixed up; advertising is something you do for a bounty (either getting paid or get goods or whatever...). I simply expressed my good experience as a customer with Bitmaintech and the performance of the Antminer S1 (first) and S3 (later) while my other funds were tied up for almost 8 months at BFL (and got banned permanently after simply answering another customers direct question as to where he could find those Antminers).

Now I do understand that for someone who's involved with BFL it's hard to imagine customers actually being so satisfied that they express their gratitude by simply praising that company for no obvious reason. But sorry: that's not advertising, that's recommending. Don't worry, if you still don't get it just mail your questions to: eljreceiver@spencerfane.com or call 816-292-8316 and #ASKFTC

The shut down of BFL is reaching pretty much every major media venue now... On Forbes.

Meanwhile, according to FTC attorney Helen Wong, the company’s owners were using company credit cards for personal shopping outings at Nordstroms and Bed, Bath & Beyond; to get massages; go to saunas; and to buy guns. That last one could only be a business expense if the owners were preparing for customers descending on them with pitchforks.

They should have been called Bitfarce machines. Over 20,000 customers ordered them but none had received them over a year later, according to the FTC complaint. In November 2013, Butterfly Labs claimed all the Bitforce machines had shipped but “consumers continued to file complaints about not receiving their prepaid BitForce mining machine,” says the FTC.
946  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: September 27, 2014, 01:44:12 AM
[UPDATE of Consumer Comments in the Fabricator Threads]

|||| 22.FEB.2015 ||||

Please review latest updates to the new categories. We hope this clarifies some of the issues as companies move toward a B2B model and away from CONSUMER production.

New Categories are implemented.

Thumbs Up Consumer
Those companies that sell both to businesses and consumers and have good standing in the community.

Thumbs Up B2B
Those companies that only sell both to other businesses and NOT to consumers and have good standing in the community.

Thumbs Up Retired/Defunct/Closed/Bankrupt
Those companies that sold both to businesses and consumers and had a good standing in the community before ending their project or development of miners.

------------------------------------

Thumbs Down Consumer
Those companies that sell both to businesses and consumers and have terrible standing in the community.

Thumbs Down B2B
Those companies that only sell both to other businesses and NOT to consumers and have terrible standing in the community.

Thumbs Down Retired/Defunct/Closed/Bankrupt
Those companies that sold both to businesses and consumers and had terrible standing in the community before ending their project or development of miners.

 TECHNOBIT Screen Capture of Support Thread  22 FEB 2015



Quote
2015-02-21 11:35:56    Preparation in progress

but no tracking number and when I asked him 6 times ...
Tomorrow when not tracking number so no blah blah but I will ask money back



I agree with you 1000%.
If I do not have tracking id tomorrow, then they have squandered their last chance.
If you want it, then I write here or in the other thread about how what my lawyer said.
It 's enough energy once when one bears the cost.
When I think of it, we do it better then via PM.

Fair enough.
Again thank you all for the patience and understanding.
We are packing @ the moment .
Just a note : DPD representative here Speedy is accepting sendings in saturday until 14:00
Yes, you said the same 10 days back, you would ship my 8 repaired boards "tomorrow", and still nothing shipped. And that's 5 weeks after you receiving them and saying you would ship them back "in a few days". Empty words, as always.

|||| 14.FEB.2015 ||||

Updated OP with new information.

Rockminer is no more. Likely merged or absorbed with AMiner. This seems to be official as their website is now down.


|||| 11.FEB.2015 ||||

This thread is certified Dogie POOP free!



|||| 04.OCT.2014 ||||


[Thumbs Up]



  Spondoolies Releases Hi Res Pictures of the SP20:

As the market becomes increasingly harder for manufacturers to find those willing to buy SPTech keeps the pressure on with the SP20.


 Bitmain makes official announcement that they are not affiliated with Minersource.net or Miner Hosting LLC.

As concerns grow over Minersource.net and Miner Hosting LLC Bitamain is clear to distance themselves with this group. I suspect there is more to this but it is a good sign for customers that Bitmain is trying not to be involved with known problem companies like this.



[Thumbs Down]

 Technobit continue production of new miners yet is failing to deliver on past orders.

Even though Technobit claimed to halt all other work in lieu of getting the group buy minion boards out they have continued to produce new boards. Customers are still not getting shipments or incomplete shipments.


BFL gets pulled deeper into the bowels of FTC control.

http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.54.0.pdf

A Summary of the Document by ElGrandeJefe



|||| 27.SEP.2014 ||||  


[Thumbs Up]
 

Asicminer Prisma Brief

ASICMiner Prisma is based on a proprietary X48 design for BE200. Greatly reduces power consumption of the device per GH/s compared to the X24 design.


Spondoolies Tech customers see the effort being made.

Clearly the CEO and Tech Support are on the forums. They are responding to questions and giving answers without trying to hide from their obligations.


BitmainTech continues to keep most of their consumers happy.

Minor things like this often happen. BitmainTech usually ups their game and makes sure shipping issues like this get rectified.


BTCGarden Looks to new Prototype

BTCGarden is working on a new prototype. Customers happy and waiting to see the product.


-------------------------


[Thumbs Down]

 
Technobit.eu

Loshia / Marto74 concerted effort to spam the old un moderated thread has forced this to be a new moderated thread. It goes without saying that there are plenty of people that have been hurt by technobit.eu and their lack of communication to customers with valid questions and complaints coupled with the lies and trolling of the previous thread goes to the very heart of why people should avoid that company. As they continue to add more product lines they have failed to deliver again on promised Minion Group Buy boards to at least 3 customers and these customers do have substantial investments and some have not seen all their product going on 10 weeks since payment.


AMT Ran off with people's money.

Thanks to opieum2 for the link.


 Bitmine delays, no refunds just sad miners who want compensation.  

Nothing changed for Bitmine customers over the week just hurt and pain.


BFL

#ASKFTC on the 24th of September was quite good and helped consumers learn more about the current receivership that BFL is under.

Here is a compiled list Here is the full #AskFTC Q&A session regarding Butterfly Labs @ButtCoin https://storify.com/fermunation/askftc


BFL Signature Campaign  

If you want to help the FTC gather more data on BFL and make the court order receiver a permanent fixture at BFL then spread the word in your sig.

Quote
Fraud BFL questions to: eljreceiver@spencerfane.com or call 816-292-8316 or #ASKFTC.

Again you can call 816-292-8316 or #ASKFTC do not let SLok, BCP19, Sonny V., Inaba/Josh walk free.


Cointerra customers banding together for a lawsuit

Cointerra should be avoided they still have not refunded and or compensated all their customers.


Black Arrow still not refunding customers  

Black Arrow continue to disappoint customers. Refunds and miners still not being shipped or provided.


KnC woefully is still not compensating customers

KnC customers continue complaints about 0 compensation. Miner troubles with the Titan.


Minersource FTC complaints being filed

Minersource has been slow to refund and provide adequate answers to questions by consumers for several months now and it is continuing.


-------------------------


[Delisted Thumbs Up]


Removed Thumbs Up Companies for Lack of Shipping (30 days without a post or units shipped)

Note: Links for threads give reasoning for lack of shipping and potential future projects. These companies could have new offerings in the future.

Twinfury USB miner Last Post  May 26, 2014  

One String Miner Last Post August 18, 2014

Nano Fury Project USB miner Last Post September 23, 2014

-----------

* If I missed a particularly juicy consumer comment or company in the snap shot feel free to PM me the quote from the Hardware / Group Buy or Scam Accusation  sections.

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947  Bitcoin / Hardware / [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: September 27, 2014, 01:43:28 AM
[Thumbs Up - CONSUMER]

Reputable companies that you can expect delivery on time and to spec and will, when they are in error, provide a reasonable and equitable relief to the customers satisfaction. In no particular order of importance.

 Bitmaintech

 Spondoolies Tech

 Lee Group S5 Antiminer Sales

[Thumbs Up - B2B]

 Bitfury

 Bitmaintech

 Spondoolies Tech


[Thumbs Up - RETIRED & OTHERS]

 Twinfury USB miner Project Closed / Retired.

 One String Miner Some activity on inventory sales but closed or retired. Production of this miner was halted in 2014.

 Nano Fury Project USB miner Closed / Retired Project.

 BTCGarden Suspected it has closed as they do not have chips to fabricate new miners. No news on anything new being fabricated. Watching for news.


-------------------------------------------


[Thumbs Down - CONSUMER]

Disreputable companies that have provided late delivery or not to spec and will not or have yet to provided adequate relief to customers when the company is in error. In no particular order of importance. If the company name has a line through it means it has closed, gone bankrupt or otherwise restricted in doing any business due to financial or legal issues or are most likely a straight up scam.

 Technobit Ignoring Emails and Customer Complaints. Some customers have started legal action against technobit.

 ASICMiner Fraud issues. Friedcat gone missing.

 Rockminer Substantial issue with fraud could be caught up in the Asicminer Friedcat problems.

[Thumbs Down - B2B]  

NONE

[Thumbs Down - RETIRED & OTHERS]

 KNC Horrible shipping issue and compensation is slow or non-existent. Moving to self mining model non-consumer or B2B

 CoinTerra Bankrupt

 Bitmine Being Sued.

 Black Arrow Hong Kong Police Investigating them for Fraud.

 AMT- No Longer Shipping Units. See Link

 VMC - No Longer in Business. Not shipping units.

 Minersource Suspected of major fraud. Website down. No longer responding to emails. Looks they have run off with customer funds and are no longer refunding or shipping units.

 nTek - No Longer Shipping Units. See Link

 Butterfly Labs - FTC limited them to NO pre-sales. Court date pending

 HashFast  - Forced Bankruptcy! See Link

 Avalon - Avalon chip fraud cost the community millions of dollars in lost development. Do not trust this company, they have changed names and are still overpricing inefficient units and chips.


* If you would like to COMPLAIN ANONYMOUSLY about a company feel free to PM me about that company so that your order from that company will not be put in jeopardy. As much as possible we will use posts made by customers with valid complaints posted directly in the hardware and group buy threads.


-------------------------------------------


[REASONING]

Here is my biased and opinionated guide on purchasing hardware. I am only taking into account which companies have, in my personal assessment, a reputation for delivering on time and to spec without any significant or outstanding customer service issues. This is not a comparative chart it is merely a suggestion for consumers looking for a starting point rather than having to read through all the forums and other media.

As the OP I am willing to move companies in or out of either area given sufficient complaints from customers or sufficient rectification of past indiscretions based sufficient CUSTOMER feedback from those who were injured initially. Feel free to discuss my biased and opinionated ratings in this a new moderated thread. I value the opinions of actual customers over the fabricator in every case. If you are here to troll me I will simply ignore you and delete your bs and move on to the topic at hand. This is a BIASED and OPINIONATED review of the companies still shipping units. If a company remains in the Thumbs Up or Down section I will review customer posts over the week and take a snap shot on the weekend and post their opinions with my editorial comments. This snapshot will look for negative posts for those in the Thumbs Down and positive in the Thumbs Up. Should there be significant changes to the company in how they resolve or fail to resolve issues then moving them from their current category could be warranted.

Please note there are only two categories so you will need to weigh the merits on your own and determine whether or not you would recommend someone trust a company to deliver on time and to specification and will if in error resolve any and all disputes with their customer base. Let me know if I am missing any fabricators far or wide inside or outside bitcointalk remember NO SCRYPT or ALTCOIN. ONLY SHA256 box makers please. Obviously we will just avoid the outright scams that never shipped a unit right? And please make sure to debate vigorously if you feel I am wrong in my opinion. I will change it based on evidence of customer support for the company is fairly universal.

Remember this guide is just the starting point. You can scan the list and agree or disagree and do your own research. I am giving you my best appraisal based on the reading of the bitcointalk forums and other sources. It is not a comparison of companies. It is just meant to give you a starting point especially for new members to source miners. And as always... read the Caveat Emptor by Gmaxwell and learn any purchase of mining equipment is a crapshoot at best. Good Luck hope it helps you avoid the pitfalls when buying miners.

Oh here is a great rant about ROI. Some rants about Financial ROI by TheRealSteve. Although this Rant relates to stick or usb miners it almost seems to mirror the current situation for the home miner attempting to buy now.

Further to mining there are questions regarding cloud or derivative mining contracts. Please review the thread by DrG here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=739510.msg8355686#msg8355686


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948  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] Bicknellski's Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: September 27, 2014, 01:36:08 AM
Technobit Still...


More evidence surfaces of late and only a small 'trickle' of shipping for some customers.

Technobit has Loshia to post on this thread they don't need a bot he works for cheap.

Why it is certainly amazing that Technobit has all this time to confront the reality of their failure to communicate here but why not directly with their customers?

BFL / AMT like in so many ways.

Meanwhile BlackArrow

BA has upgraded their customer post deletion bot; it now scans the thread several times a second looking for customer posts to delete.
 

949  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] Bicknellski's Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: September 26, 2014, 05:21:41 PM
IMPORTANT PSA for BFL former and current customers:

sbogovac <--- Ya good post. Other than that... don't care much.

Latest update on the BFL homepage:

"BF Labs, Inc. has been placed in a temporary receivership pursuant to court order, Case No. 4:14-cv-00815-BCW. There will be a hearing on September 29, 2014 at 9:00 a.m. at the Charles Evans Whittaker Courthouse in Kansas City, Missouri. At the hearing, the court will consider this matter. Questions may be directed to the temporary receiver at: eljreceiver@spencerfane.com or 816-292-8316."

Please people, this aint over "till the fat lady sings"; contact the receiver and explain your position in this!

(My story is something like: ordered in jan. expected delivery in march/april, due to BFL's non-delivery I missed this much BTC income by the time BFL refunded me [after another 45 day wait] in august and I finally could divert that investment to another producer [Antminer] who did deliver in two weeks, in the mean time BFL banned me permanently off the forum so I could not communicate properly with either them or other customers.)


The shut down of BFL is reaching pretty much every major media venue now... On Forbes.

Meanwhile, according to FTC attorney Helen Wong, the company’s owners were using company credit cards for personal shopping outings at Nordstroms and Bed, Bath & Beyond; to get massages; go to saunas; and to buy guns. That last one could only be a business expense if the owners were preparing for customers descending on them with pitchforks.

They should have been called Bitfarce machines. Over 20,000 customers ordered them but none had received them over a year later, according to the FTC complaint. In November 2013, Butterfly Labs claimed all the Bitforce machines had shipped but “consumers continued to file complaints about not receiving their prepaid BitForce mining machine,” says the FTC.



Meanwhile while Marto and his paid shill or multiple account Loshia continue to spam threads... Technobit ignores another customer. Best to avoid this company people don't risk your BTC. Buy elsewhere.

Post yesterday...

Marto can you give me an update on my order?

Post today... ignores questions on orders so regularly why would anyone bother ordering shit from Marto... insanity.

simple Setup guide for *(yet another product that some of his customers have to ask when will arrive.)

So busy failing to respond to customers yet has time to always post here over and over again. Takes two seconds to lie to your customer... excuse number 34 we sent it but the shipping company sent it to the wrong location... then evidence shows you never sent it. Remember that one Marto? Why is that? His behavior is so much like Josh you'd think they were soul mates. Both Zerlan and Zipkin. Forget the fact that his wife and Zipkin's wife are friends... nothing to see here. Move along. Wasn't wrong about BFL not wrong about Technobit. Do no buy from this guy. He uses the same tactics for ignoring customers and abusing customers just like BFL has in the past. Don't be fooled by this company. There are plenty of complaints and the faux accounts he created to mask it along with 10 threads of product placement here to distract you from what happens when things are not delivered is not that hard to pick up on. Here comes his BCP look alike Loshia... yet another PAID SHILL for Technobit.


Oh oh,I think marto went all



Josh and BCP did the same thing to me. Bet you dollars to donuts Loshia on the payroll.
950  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] Bicknellski's Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: September 26, 2014, 05:20:57 PM
What does a THUMBS UP company see as feedback in their thread? Something like this.

Personally, I like your direct no-nonsense approach.

The main thing is that the CEO is active right here on the forum... so communication is happening, questions are answered, responses are being made. We've got great tech support right here too.

It's like night and day compared to many other manufacturers.

On the discussion previously... are all mining companies currently selling negative ROI units?

Based on the hashrate increase and how consumers are still buying over priced miners, I now think that overall mining will go negative ROI for a while until people realize that they are losing money. Home miners don't think like business miners and may not realize they are losing $ in small bits here and there.

So while the max hashrate/BTC calculations have value, I don't think many individuals will actually shut down if they already have the equipment.

Gonna be a rough ride for a while.


That is a good thread to comment and go nuts on if you think ROI is impossible.

Example...

Buy the cheaper miners out there. Add a heat sink just to cool the latest heat pig chip, with PSU, Shipping etc... what is the ROI on that?
951  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] Bicknellski's Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: September 26, 2014, 05:16:04 PM
Boo! Technobit

What do you see frequently in a Technobit thread before it is either deleted or buried in posts of miracle technical resolution from a newbie miner?

Marto any news when batch 2 will be shipped, its been over a month now since you received my chips. ive emailed you on your site, 2 weeks ago and no reply.
would like to know whats happening with those.

you going to be offering any compensation for late deliveries now. awaiting 25 boards  Angry and counting

 No offense Guyver, but he hasn't even shipped batch one out. Hopefully he will not ship out anymore batch 2 like the mistake made last week. I just got my first partial shipment today 6 of 50. I know its been over a month for you and I hate it, but it has been over 10 weeks for some of us.

And yet he has time to shadow this thread for 2 days now?

Define LATE shipping please someone Marto74 still doesn't get it. Thumbs Down. Do not buy from Technobit.

Serious people ignore less than serious threads like this and do the work. Rather than resolving issues for customers Martin has once again ignored them and done little to offer compensation or relief. Typically if the customers do not "behave" they are often ignored and never refunded.

This has happened and is documented. Here is hoping were are not seeing yet another group of people hurt by this company.

More sad news for Technobit Customers.  

scrappy do, dam so shipments are just trickling out. i would of thought at least batch 1 would of been completed by now

I haven't received a single one of my 88 boards. My chips have been at technobit since July 17th.

This is not the first incident nor the last. Please people avoid Technobit.
952  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] Bicknellski's Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: September 26, 2014, 05:14:38 PM
FTC on shutdown of fraudulent Bitcoin equipment company

Great interview of an FTC official about this BFL situation.

Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:56 p.m. by Raymond Neupert


Possible excuse or reason why it took the FTC so long? ARS follow up info. Check it out.

Quote
Wong also noted that in this action—the FTC's first involving Bitcoin—seeks "full consumer redress," which, if successful, would result in refunds payable in US dollars.

NOTE... not even the FTC will refund the BTC. Jerks! That be something to ask about eh?

VINDICATE BITCOIN? WTF... their crap has been putting thousands and thousands to question the very nature of Bitcoin because of their MASSIVE FRAUD.

I hope they get the FULL impact of losing control of BFL permanently then when Sonny goes to jail for violating parole the next bit of action to take place needs to be criminal charges for anyone involved in this fiasco.

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UPDATE 2:15pm CT: Butterfly Labs' spokesman, Charles Zinkowski, sent Ars this statement, declaring that the company was "disappointed in the heavy-handed actions" of the FTC.

"Butterfly Labs intends to defend our business and our nascent and promising industry," the company said. "The government wants to shut Butterfly Labs down, and we are not going away without a fight to vindicate bitcoin, our company, and our employees."

Zinkowski also did not respond to further questions.


[...]PS@Bicknellski: owe you my sincere apologies and gratitude "dude"...  Smiley
[...]sbogovac <--- Ya good post. Other than that... don't care much.[...]
Thanks, but well - sorry - I do care. If people read this fora back a couple of months they might stumble across a discussion we had considering BFL where I "defended" them. You turned out to be right, and I would have been saved a lot of time, effort and misery if I hadn't been such a noob and just paid attention. So - again - my apologies for that and my gratitude for you relentless efforts in helping us al!

Just take this forum for instance; it's called "Biased & Opinionated" and still some manufacturers take more time and effort to react here then to spend their time making customers happy...?!? This was a big sign on the wall with BFL, and probably is for all other "companies" behaving in the same way... Too bad, seems like you'll have something to do yet...

There were 100 people right well before I was.

Happens.

Not the only one that got bamboozled.

I am thinking there are plenty more crooks to watch for as well.

We are all good.

Just here like others trying to fight the good fight. There are plenty of people still being taken for a ride but the easiest solution is to just avoid anyone with a taint or smell. BFL was easy to spot for many there are plenty of others that attempt to cover and evade or often than not ignore their customers more probing questions. If you see one person ripped off you might see another and another... at some point there is enough evidence to warn people off a company.

Where we need to be clear with people is pointing out behaviors that are really scummy and for the most part screw people over. You don't have to ship 100% of product on time and perfectly to spec to get on the thumbs up list here. Just have to make amends when you do screw up. The community remembers that and should call fabricators out when they do not live up to deal they have posted.
953  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam alert technobit.eu on: September 26, 2014, 11:04:30 AM
Any others out there not received their orders from Marto lately?

954  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: September 26, 2014, 10:44:24 AM
WoW! Let's #ASKFTC what they think about that...  Roll Eyes

xstr8guy said it all, better listen to that free advice...

Someone should #ASKFTC if they're aware that BFL is sending bitcoins from their EMC subsidiary.

Yes... EMC needs to SHUT DOWN ASAP.

Huge oversight there FTC.
955  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: September 26, 2014, 10:01:34 AM
Evidence?

None.

What country? LOL! For someone that lived in Asia you still haven't looked at a Map of it I guess. LOL! Malasia? At least spell it right moron. One more reason Merika needs public Montessori schools.

Yet again with the lies and slander?

Let us just look at the facts here.

FTC shut down BFL. Pretty much every lie Josh told is listed on the complaint and they even used his own words to help describe many of the complaint points. It is really amazing how much he has helped the FTC already with this case. Leave more evidence all around please do more posting. It just proves the point the FTC has made the right call to go after your cash cow. It is over.

Good enough for me argument over.

I stand by this prediction.

The truth certainly will not change what Inaba says he is morally and ethically bankrupt Jimmothy. Soon he will be selling out Sonny V. for his own freedom. The end is coming for BFL and old Joshy better get his own lawyer before he gets thrown under the bus.

Josh will be selling out Sonny V. at some point especially when he realizes he won't be keeping much of anything he stole from his customers.

Note that when he met me Josh never had a harsh word to say, never said any slanderous things to my face... funny guess it is much easier to beg for a seat to be included with the likes of Spondoolies Tech, Rocxie and BitmainTech... not one of those fabricators even considered BFL a viable competitor. It was laughable to watch him talk among those 3 consummate professional leaders. The CONTRAST was plain for the audience in Hong Kong many cringed every time he even opened his mouth. The BFL booth was rarely visited and given to the fact that people in HK aren't going to be taken by the likes of Josh and BFL.

The conversation moved off from BFL in 2013 when they came up with that craptastic design for a graphic card form factor when everyone was moving to larger modular units.... they are not important anymore. They will never make another chip or miner again. That is what bothers Josh most. No one cares to listen to him anymore and haven't since 2013.

Without an audience Josh like BFL will wither and die.

BFL is not the voice of industry they never really were.
BFL is not an advocate for Bitcoin they are blight on it and have done a lot more to damage Bitcoin than help it grow.

When you get your spokesperson to attempt to spin the situation as big bad gov't going after our liberty and bitcoin and the industry you fail to recognize a few things. BFL is not part of the industry never were they were always a scam. They were never in Bitcoin to support the growth of  it there were there to denigrate this community.

Failure after failure... if it weren't that this had anything to do with Bitcoin BFL would have been shut down over a year ago.

http://wsau.com/podcasts/newsmaker-interviews/53/ftc-on-shutdown-of-fraudulent-bitcoin-equipment-company/
956  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again on: September 26, 2014, 08:46:20 AM
Here we go again.

Again? Never stopped Mr. 40 poster since September 11. Who were you last time? LOL! Busted.

Look at that minion chip group buy and board build a few people tired of Marto74's BS.

Then Loshia and Marto74 spend the whole day yesterday and today spamming threads cause they don't like people pointing out their failures.

Amazing he can't even get simple customer service right I wonder what the problem is?

Meanwhile while Marto and his paid shill or multiple account Loshia continue to spam threads... What does Technobit do? They ignore another customer. Best to avoid this company people don't risk your BTC. Buy elsewhere.
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958  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: September 25, 2014, 04:20:18 PM
Luckyguesstradamus.

This is the one I hope comes true.

The truth certainly will not change what Inaba says he is morally and ethically bankrupt Jimmothy. Soon he will be selling out Sonny V. for his own freedom. The end is coming for BFL and old Joshy better get his own lawyer before he gets thrown under the bus.

959  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again on: September 25, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
Marto - Can you please give us an update on sending the customer list to Minersource for batch 1 customers?  I asked this same question almost 24 hours ago and it went unanswered.  Please let us know where you are at with this list because these delays are really hurting our ROI on these boards.

OK, I GUESS WE HAVE TO GET REALLY LOUD FOR YOUR DUMB ASS TO PHUCKING LISTEN

WHERE THE PHUCK IS MY ORDER?  WHAT IS MY ORDER STATUS? Your damn website STILL says I have not paid.

Am I gonna have to run to bulgaria and snatch a kink in your ass?

FUCKING RESPOND dipshit...

EDEGSUOLY

Marto, you can not sent this buyer incomplete miner. He canceled it a while ago and you ask him for paypal to refund.
Why are you now wonder why hes behaving this way. I agree with bilecinski and refund him like you said.
He did now overeacted but you have responibility for your customers.
Hire somebody who act mature with your buyers.
Its very easy solution, refund him like you stated in december, and he will clean the thread from spams.
Yes and I would in any other case .
But this customer put about 100 BOLD off topic msg in a few treads.
This can not continue.
This kind of behavior .
So I'll send him exactly what he paid for. PCB+componets , assembled and tested .
Yes it is not correct , but  I'll prefer to go to court for this , rather than allowing this kind of behavior to be example for success here in this forum .
So what is the recipe for success. Here we are 24 hrs later. No tracking number!
I always aspire to be the better man.
I do not want to be like the aforementioned. But I have felt the urge since you promised tomorrow 4 weeks ago.

Actually I prefer the cold hard facts. If it is to be another 3 weeks then say so. but lets stop empty promises.

You told that guy you would refund him. For your own respect just do it. Where all tired of his posts, damn, even he is tired of his posts. But I quite see where he is coming from..




Nice to know that Marto74 vouched for AMT and Josh Zipkin. Wonder why he would do that?


True ralla, but marto74 is working closely with them.  He is the owner of technobit,and has vouched for them.  Of course that's not proof they are valid.

-edited..  damn spellchecker on my "smart"phone butchered that message and I didn't notice.  I guess they're only as smart as the user.  Smiley


Soo,your current 80GH miner consumes 80 watts,1 watt per GH.I read in an earlier post something about this being a Bitfury based miner.

Your 28nm stuff isn't ready yet Huh  When will it go on sale,if it isn't already Huh

Thanks!!!
Their boards they're showing are the Technobit HEX16b boards.
http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=54&controller=product&id_lang=1

What they've shown so far is that they can take Technobit's existing PCB and shove some of them into cases with the heatsink fins oriented the wrong way. No credible customers have reported receiving their Bitfury based units.

They haven't shown that they have done any engineering whatsoever, so it's extremely unlikely they have their own 28nm design on the way. By the same token given their pricing it seems hard to believe they could be using anyone else's 28nm products. It is on sale though.

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I would honestly be shocked if anyone who ordered a 1.2TH/s miner ends up getting it. I would suggest staying far away unless they can post something credible detailing their incoming design.

Found that on the AMT thread. Still seems fishy to me, also some people has pointed out that the AMT cabinet is just a NAS server, from another company. And the boards they are posting pictures of, is from technobit.

Marto, you can not sent this buyer incomplete miner. He canceled it a while ago and you ask him for paypal to refund.
Why are you now wonder why hes behaving this way. I agree with bilecinski and refund him like you said.
He did now overeacted but you have responibility for your customers.
Hire somebody who act mature with your buyers.
Its very easy solution, refund him like you stated in december, and he will clean the thread from spams.
Yes and I would in any other case .
But this customer put about 100 BOLD off topic msg in a few treads.
This can not continue.
This kind of behavior .
So I'll send him exactly what he paid for. PCB+componets , assembled and tested .
Yes it is not correct , but  I'll prefer to go to court for this , rather than allowing this kind of behavior to be example for success here in this forum .
So what is the recipe for success. Here we are 24 hrs later. No tracking number!
I always aspire to be the better man.
I do not want to be like the aforementioned. But I have felt the urge since you promised tomorrow 4 weeks ago.

Actually I prefer the cold hard facts. If it is to be another 3 weeks then say so. but lets stop empty promises.

You told that guy you would refund him. For your own respect just do it. Where all tired of his posts, damn, even he is tired of his posts. But I quite see where he is coming from..



Marto can you please answer the comments in order WVEJQUSTR? I am still waiting to pay until I get a further instruction or confirmation.

Are we sensing a pattern yet?

Yes indeed, it's not worth that kind of language and behaviour. Patience he will sort it .

In the mean time, ignoring the user prevents it from ever being noticed again. Smiley


I hope lot of people order this new miner, so Martin can send refund for older undelivered miners.

Thank you
Go.................

Here are all the sorry details, with quotes on how Marto ripped me off:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=647966.msg7374816#msg7374816



Note that marto74 has now issued me a paypal refund (after a lot of chasing him).

I'll still leave this thread here, as until technobit gets their act together they are to be avoided.

Agreed...

 There are still many who did not have the insurance of using PayPal who are forced to just wait and hope... Maybe the order will turn up eventually - but only when the GH/S's for the equipment you ordered is probably not going to provide a break even letalone a profit.

To advertise something as 'in stock' and talk of delivery dates never met in this game is a scam as time is money. Who is to say that the team are not putting your ordered equipment through an extended period of 'testing'?

I won't deal with them again as to me they blatantly lied about my second order being shipped - not once but twice! I don't care what the excuses are - their lack of respect for customers, lack of communication and the BS when there is a reply is no way a reputable business is run.


Melb


960  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Scam List on: September 25, 2014, 02:37:08 PM
Well well well...


How did AMT work out for people? Marto vouched did he?


True ralla, but marto74 is working closely with them.  He is the owner of technobit,and has vouched for them.  Of course that's not proof they are valid.

-edited..  damn spellchecker on my "smart"phone butchered that message and I didn't notice.  I guess they're only as smart as the user.  Smiley

Soo,your current 80GH miner consumes 80 watts,1 watt per GH.I read in an earlier post something about this being a Bitfury based miner.

Your 28nm stuff isn't ready yet Huh  When will it go on sale,if it isn't already Huh

Thanks!!!
Their boards they're showing are the Technobit HEX16b boards.
http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=54&controller=product&id_lang=1

What they've shown so far is that they can take Technobit's existing PCB and shove some of them into cases with the heatsink fins oriented the wrong way. No credible customers have reported receiving their Bitfury based units.

They haven't shown that they have done any engineering whatsoever, so it's extremely unlikely they have their own 28nm design on the way. By the same token given their pricing it seems hard to believe they could be using anyone else's 28nm products. It is on sale though.

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I would honestly be shocked if anyone who ordered a 1.2TH/s miner ends up getting it. I would suggest staying far away unless they can post something credible detailing their incoming design.

Found that on the AMT thread. Still seems fishy to me, also some people has pointed out that the AMT cabinet is just a NAS server, from another company. And the boards they are posting pictures of, is from technobit.
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