Bick,
1. Loshia is just our customer. Good customer. The fact that he dislikes your behavior do not mean we pay him. Please understand that it easy to make jokes with you and people do not need to be paid for it .
2. As you are making general accusations, would you be so kind to post a list of the people I or technobit owe.
3. Please explain in public why did you started this campain against us ? It was in the moment we came up first with working A1 design, but I still do not understand why?
Even we had troubles delivering back in December and January, everybody was compensated or refunded.
with love and understanding
Martin
Please put me as #1 on the list you owe money to. You can make your same stupid claim that you shipped my goods, and I will say you didn't. I have proof I sent you the money, you have no proof you sent me anything. You are a thief. These people are not grounded in reality unfortunately Joe. |
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Persistent Spammers BEST SPAMMERS! NEVER MISS A DAYMelMan2002Pokokohua!criminalbenThe numbers of people entering the contest on a daily basis is now 3. People who also seem to have an unnatural attachment to BFL and defend them even though they are 6 months late on the Monarch. Seem to be some interaction and cross over from Marto74 and Loshia into the these accounts as well. Hmmm interesting indeed. Wonder why there are similar grammar errors and copy paste of Marto74 and Loshia's posts in the trust ratings left by Pokokohua? Are Marto74 / Loshia BFL stooges? They don't seem to comment on BFL ever I wonder why that is? Looks like were no down to just 2... Pokokohua and MelMan2002. Must be BFL accounts given the latest forum meltdown in BFL land where 2 days of posts went missing. Ooopsie. The crowd on the bow of that sinking ship is certainly much smaller now. |
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Wish I had found this sooner. Thanks BBear.
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Still blows my mind that Avalon has a B+  If Avalon is B+ then everyone else is A+. Avalon is the main reason all opensource miner projects went down the toilet. How can they be trusted, ever? You sir are correct. Millions lost. Many a great designer ruined. |
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Just so we're clear Marto47 got the boards I ordered out to me who cares if they were 3.5~ months after he said he would! Whats crazy is I believe that I asked for a refund when they were about a month late, but got no reply. The biggest issue is that he wasted alot of peoples Time & money. He said he would give people replacement hashing power ect but didn't deliver. If you must do business with Marto & Technobit do your self a favor and use paypal otherwise if you do any other type of bare metal transaction and happen to fall on the wrong side of the Reality/Acceptable delivery time distortion field you'll be SOL. FYI I like Marto47's EE work!! but I wouldn't order from him again, fool me twice shame on me. J Besides the BTC1.43 he stole from me, here are other victims:  Think this is a typical scenario for many people. Early warning signs were there in the Group Buy. Never really accepts responsibility for his inactions and over reactions. |
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Potential Air Cooled version of the Hammer Whiteface / Hornet boards:  Preview Render of a DataTank with Immersion boards:  |
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***SHORTENED VERSION***
Dear all,
We got totally busted & lost our bottle.
Dammit.
I don't think so. But most people do I bet. |
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So final update on the PSUs:
10 ASIC acquired. 2 died. 1 replaced by BFL RMA (only took 11 days costing me about 11 BTC). 2nd one was not RMAed because BFL refused to answer PMs/emails/phonecalls - should have sent it to lightfoot. All 10 PSUs that came with the units are now dead. 3 caught on fire or smoldered. 1 killed a Gigabyte moherboard and USB mouse/keyboard (mobo was fortunately replaced under warranty).
So Josh can keep with his less than 1% failure rate BS. In my possession 2/10 ASICs have died (not counting PSUs). Counting PSUs the failure rate passes 50% at 12/20.
Unfortunately I have no ref to compare to other ASICs since I neither bought others nor have I bothered to tracked how well/poorly they have faired.
Not heard or seen a lot of brick problems in the threads of other fabricators. Really the PSU issues are a localized BFL nightmare. You did RMA the two messed up ASICs right? Yeah the first one was my day 1 Single. When it died it was down for 11 days and cost me about 11BTC. Only after 37 attempts at contact did BFL_Emily finally save me. BFL refused to respond to the 2nd RMA request in Dec, I gave up. They must have been busy getting the locust ready to ship those new Monarch. Wow they didn't respond to your 2nd RMA. Nice people. |
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Suggest you steer clear of Marto he has too many issues.
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Great move.
Let us see what happens next. My guess some sort of Spondoolies like rebirth. Anyone else?
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Done our numbers and we are not building a cube.
Remember you are promoting this unit so the burden is on you to prove it not me. All I am saying is good luck nothing more or nothing less.
Let's see your numbers. I don't need to prove anything as you are the one who is making such claims. Anyone can tell that this miner would cost less to produce than hashratios $0.8/gh machines. Have a look around plenty of examples of that happening right now with very similar designs. Be careful and good luck. You mean like the rockminer rxbox which are being sold for around $1/gh? Join the WPC and you can see all the numbers you want. Not my numbers to give. Again you are trying to sell a fabricator on this not me. So sell it. If you can prove it is profit worthy someone will jump on it. |
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To be fair edgar does tend to have had some bad luck with the mining gear he has bought  I've had two S2's one from batch 2 that arrived with a few cards out of alignment and after about a month the PSU stopped powering up the rig unless I removed a few boards. So I just popped another PSU I had lying around in there and its been working fine, then I began the elaborate support dance with Bitmain, in the end they are getting it picked up at their expense to send back to them and get me out a new one. No biggie. I also got a batch 4 from the group buy, much better packaged, everything survived intact and it mined as advertised first time. As to the car allegory earlier in the thread wtf? How many cars do you import from China?  Mexico mostly and parts from Canada. Or Japanese. Do they even make cars in the US anymore? I mean as an individual buyer, what do you think your chances are of getting it fixed quickly if you imported your car from China and you found someone had been driving around in it for a few weeks before shipping?  Just bustin your balls... sorry. I get it.  |
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So what is actually HASHING at Eclipse?
Hmmm interesting. Maybe they should explain that aspect.
Get a refund. You didn't pay for cloud hashing just another delay tactic meant to quell complaints.
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I am talking about PCB costs, chip costs etc... you can't throw out difficulty projections and estimates of final miner costs and think that is the spreadsheet I am thinking of right? You need to do some due diligence. Time labour etc... just to get this all set up. Where will you source parts? Which PCB fab? Etc. Fabbed where? Shipped where? PSUs? etc etc.
There has be a factor for profit you will need before jumping in on this. Look at the nightmares already out there. Who you gonna call? And I do mean this seriously? Who? I don't have to worry about all that. Whoever want's to sell these can find a fab. Hashratios production cost on their bulky miner is less than $0.8/gh. Those are some real numbers. Spondoolies material costs alone are $0.5/gh for the sp30. Also some real numbers. If hashratio would simply switch to this more cost effective design I would guess they could eventually get production costs down to ~$0.7/gh. It is all well and good to project the rosy numbers but in reality there are fewer and fewer people willing to build this sort of thing because it just isn't worth the effort. That's just your opinion. Where are some numbers to back your opinion? Done our numbers and we are not building a cube. Remember you are promoting this unit so the burden is on you to prove it not me. All I am saying is good luck nothing more or nothing less. Having a design doesn't mean it will be priced right. Lots of work needs to go into that if you want to make it profitable for the fabricator. That is where all your optimistic projections hit reality. What is the bottomline price. If it is too high then no one is going to buy it. Have a look around plenty of examples of that happening right now with very similar designs. Be careful and good luck. |
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To be fair edgar does tend to have had some bad luck with the mining gear he has bought I've had two S2's one from batch 2 that arrived with a few cards out of alignment and after about a month the PSU stopped powering up the rig unless I removed a few boards. So I just popped another PSU I had lying around in there and its been working fine, then I began the elaborate support dance with Bitmain, in the end they are getting it picked up at their expense to send back to them and get me out a new one. No biggie. I also got a batch 4 from the group buy, much better packaged, everything survived intact and it mined as advertised first time. As to the car allegory earlier in the thread wtf? How many cars do you import from China? Mexico mostly and parts from Canada. Or Japanese. Do they even make cars in the US anymore? |
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I am talking about PCB costs, chip costs etc... you can't throw out difficulty projections and estimates of final miner costs and think that is the spreadsheet I am thinking of right? You need to do some due diligence. Time labour etc... just to get this all set up. Where will you source parts? Which PCB fab? Etc. Fabbed where? Shipped where? PSUs? etc etc.
There has be a factor for profit you will need before jumping in on this. Look at the nightmares already out there. Who you gonna call? And I do mean this seriously? Who?
It is all well and good to project the rosy numbers but in reality there are fewer and fewer people willing to build this sort of thing because it just isn't worth the effort especially when there are currently working designs that will probably beat this design with the next chip generation in much more datacenter friendly configuration that uses the same chips. Again seems like a lot of aluminum.
There are already chips in design that will be out in August. I think your 5 - 7 month window is a bit myopic. Anyhow great you are big on the design. I hope it works out. I have serious reservations given the chip and the price of these units when you factor in everything. I will let you guys get back to working out who will fab out these designs up for you. Thanks for listening.
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Site's back up. Missing 2 days' worth of posts.
Move along, folks - nothing to see here.
2 days only? What nothing earlier say when promises were made? |
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Your estimations are based on what?
Given what numbers are available most smaller miners need to be moving out of Sha256. You can hope and dream these units will be cheap but no one is going to make them if they know it is going come back and bite them when they can't sell them at the price they need to. Given that there are only just a few of those those smaller board makers left who would target the remaining and ever dwindling small miner market I don't see them taking on this risk unless it is a Chinese based fabricator and even then doesn't look too promising.
If you got the numbers let us see it. Put up a spreadsheet and show us where these will make money for the fabricator and the miners. Please I would love to see your projections and do not forget to add all the costs in for the end users please. The numbers we have run do not look too promising even at greatly reduced price for BE200 or 300 chips.
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AM is not stopping their immersion development. So anyone building the cubes will be in direct competition with the DataTank boards likely with the BE300 chips or the next gen they might have on the drawing board after that. Gotta keep this in perspective if AM is going to produce 100s of PH/s worth of chips or more a significant amount is going into data tanks via that single wide or double wide immersion blade. Welcome to the end home miners. And by the way... there is an air cooled version not unlike the spondoolies SP10 / SP30 configuration have a look in the link above. Enjoy your cubes. Not sure if you can get the chips on a board configuration that narrow given the power going through the copper for air cooling but I bet someone thinks you can do it and have an air / novec cooled boards in the same exact configuration. |
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f anyone wants to sell please hmu! Ill sell you my SP10s TODAY if you want them. TOO loud. AMEN. The 68 DB that they post on their site can't be correct! Surprised we aren't hearing from more disappointed customers. I remember that I saw a measurement from a forum user with 70dB so they are correct. Can't remember who was it. Again, the dB says nothing about the quality of the sound which is like a mini circular saw and extremely harsh in the most sensitive part of the human hearing range making the absolute amplitude in isolation pretty much irrelevant. They say the sp30 will be absolutely nothing like the sp10 though. Really for safety of your hearing... Datacenter these miners. Not worth risking hearing damage. |
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