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I've read 5 pages about hosting gear in homes and vice versa and a lot of missing information regarding about the noise and heat of these rigs. I had one SP10 running all night in my office, outside air was 68 degrees. In the morning the room temp was 104 degrees. And that was just one SP10. You will need 24/7 cooling. Can't just turn your AC on you feel it getting warmer, since it will always be warm. Then bring in the larger rigs. The SP30. Listen, of course you "can" run that thing in a US home but really who has 2400-2500 watts available AND the 24/7 cooling accessible at home? Most likely a bitcoin miner would, but 2500 watts eats up a ton of energy and does use a lot of resources. While you can do some rewire work in your house that's just adding to the price tag of the rig, which then would never break even anyway. I suspect a lot of these SP30's and even Neptune's will be hosted somewhere. At work, friend's house who has the resources, co-location, etc....
The lucky ones are the ones that already have have the volts/amps/watts readily available and the cooling in place. I'm a little jealous of them!
I can't wait to see the reaction of new Neptune owner's (and SP30) on how big these rigs are physically and how much heat really pours out of them.
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Dunno. I haven't seen it, I was just doing a little educated guessing. Last year they sold a ton of preorders for this Poseidon 3 unit as they call it. They got the money, but never shipped any units (or some tiny amount like 10). Now here they are a few months later offering cloud mining with Poseidon 3 units. I was just putting two and two together; when I asked them this, they vehemently denied ever taking preorders and not delivering, then when I pointed out that THEY THEMSELVES told us about it in the OP, they said they didn't mean for it to happen, "it just happened". Selling a ton a pre-orders then not shipping anything doesn't give confidence. Right there in itself is a scam and should be clearly stated. Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #z28KGuUbeA4hYWci |
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However if you like KNC simply make someone else pay for your NRE costs it made a lot more sense to jump directly to 20 vs 28nm.
Rogaz, sometimes you say something that encourages me to think you are a knowledgeable and insightful guy (forgive me if you are a girl) and sometimes you say something really stupid. KNC didn't make anybody pay for their NRE costs. People voluntarily entered into contracts for future delivery of a product (aka pre-order). This is no different that what Spondoolies is doing with the SP30. Given the economics of bitcoin mining and the difficulty in raising finance for bitcoin related activities from conventional sources, it is often the only way to go. Like Guy said in the Spondoolies thread IIRC … 'we don't have 27 million dollars to finance 3 SP30 batches.' No pre-orders, no SP30, no Neptune, no progress. There is a race on with bitcoin difficulty and there is no time to tinker around … ~L)L~ I think that you intentionally distort the comparison here. Spondoolies ALMOST have the Sp-30, they are 30-45 days away (maybe even closer) while KnC collected the pre-orders in November and still did not deliver until late June (at best), which is full seven months later. In addition, KnC played a clever mindtrick by saying that first batch will be delivered in Q1/Q2 (in some older documents or comments they even said spring). Calling this a possible Q1 product was an exaggeration because they certainly knew that it will NOT be done in Q1. I also find it appalling that they keep making these legalese tricks-like we are not consumers, for example to get from under the consumer protection in EU law. Whatever they will come up with-good for them, but I will not play the game on these terms. After the Jupiter KNC used all their energy and resources to their monster data center and that's why customers haven't received due attention or come out with another product or one working "Super Jupiter". Usually after 3-4 months a manufacturer would have another product out, but KNC didn't. They took the easy road, get richer and build a monster data center. KNC should make a public apology for shipping that hardware to people. If they were stand up they would have just given the customer back their money in BTC and some compensation. Not a box full of pieces of broken hardware. |
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yeah maybe ....my timing sucks..KNC's rep went to hell starting 1 wk after i got the Titan....jeez
but yeah I'm stuck with the Titan
as it is now it is pretty clear anyone with 5k or some such should just buy btc on the old (can it be old if btc born in 2009) the ''old' adage...anything UNDER 1k per bitcoin will seem like a 'deal' in 2 years....or the *we shall not mention crosses self* alternative of bust in 2 years
one or the other (at least my splat will be bigger then most if we all fall from 'orbit" neaha neaha)
Searing
yeah, no refund for the Titan - it's easy to guess why. Neptune was fucked up and people used refunds. With a Titan you're stuck forever with the pre-order. Investing in Bitcoins themselves has become more lucrative than hoping for good miners. KNC needed a fusion of cash quickly and the TITAN was their best bet. They sure as hell snagged a lot of people I bet. |
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I am waiting to see what KNC and Bitmain do in the next month or so before I commit any more money to equipment.
The SP30 could well be still born ...
What mining equipment do you own right now? RoadStress, you are the one who needs to answer my question. I'm not selling anything here. Will you or will you not SP30 match KNC $/GH on the Neptune they ship and include a 100% refund guarantee ? Don't rush into anything RoadStress, I'll check back later to see what you have to say ~L)L~ I'd love to pre-order an SP30 ( september deliver ) but too chicken right now. Too many variables out there and margins too thin. $5095 and shipping is $100 more then what the SP10 was, so shipping is $300 now. Boils down to a non refundable $5395 for a 90 day wait. http://daycalc.appspot.com/09/25/2014I don't think I'd lose out completely, I would get some return back, but not really knowing how much or if bitcoin will rise is putting me in a circling pattern right now. I'd just rather buy a bunch of bitcoin and hold then go through the purchase process and all that. Since I won't be running a 6TH machine in my home because who has 2400 of watts all ready to go and that is like a monthly car payment figure. Hell, I'm talking myself out of it right here. Tsssk, tssssk, tssssk. |
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Fair warning to fellow KNCminers...
Anyone holding BTC should beware that Gox will be liquidating coin soon to pay lawyer fees.
Coinlab backed out, and Japan courts don't like Sunlot's (Brock Pierce & company) offer.
date unknown, but the hearing is set for July 23rd.
How do I know they will be liquidating coin?
Gox doesn't have the cash on hand to pay the fees, and they have entered liquidation proceedings according to Google Hangout and Gox notices.
Being that the only other assets are a car, office furniture, and computer... there's no other option but to sell coin.
There's simply nothing else to "liquidate"
All this smells of coinage sell-off in late July, early August?
Just be careful & ready.....
And who's going to give them the real money if they want to sell that much BTC? They couldn't even afford to pay the taxes on it if they tried to "cash" out. I think having Gox sink or swim and thinking about it is just paranoia. It's just another company in the blackhole of shit fraudulent bitcoin companies. They're old news now and I think their impact on the bitcoin community is pretty much over. Maybe just a tiny little bit repercussions and that's all now. |
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Does everything think the SP30 will ROI?
Depends on how much hash everybody else ships in the same timeframe and the price of BTC. I'd say if Spondoolies ship on time or ahead of schedule and KNC are delayed and don't ship the monster Neptune many think they will, maybe but maybe not. And if it does, it won't be huge. Right now dollars are chasing pennies in the mining business.. Go back to your KnC thread and shill there please. opentoe of course they will. I expect KnC to be delayed until September and I don't expect AM to sell their 60PH until September either so things are looking very ok for us. Maybe I should ask it again but add "September". That's a whole month ahead of August and by that time I'm sure those KNC Neptune's will be out in swarms, which will put a pretty big dent in a September delivery. That is what I was thinking. Hey, that's what all miner's do, just sit and think and think and think. It is amazing how much just one month makes a difference in this "hobby". |
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Yeah, well people get angry and are probably ddosing it. Not without good cause.
Oh bitpop thanks for assuming that because I could log in with an iphone that I am actively mining on ghash or use an iphone for anything other than software development.
Dumb fucks with their expletives and assumptions.
What are all GHASH's pools? NOT proxy's but real pools? |
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Hi everyone;
I had an issue with the PSU (broke because of bad luck). Spondoolies replied to mail 5 mns after my request with : "give us your pool credentials".
Few hour later I had a SP10 configured in israel hashing for me. Thanks Spondoolies !
I now received my fresh new PSU and everything is back to normal. Thanks Spondoolies !
Firmware 1.4.3 is awesome, 1.5+TH/s with 1%-0.5% HW errors. Thanks Spondoolies !
If anyone read me and want to invest in a miner, I highly recommend SP-T. They are reliable, great after sales support and well... good at what they do.
@SP-Tech : Thank you again team, you have better after sales support than some of the biggest IT actor on the market.
Keep it up, Spondoolies! You guys built a great reputation in a short amount of time! Guy gave me a 15% off future purchase because I was unhappy with the slower hashrate on 110v. This was before it was well known that the SP10 was current-limited on 110v. I figured Spondoolies has such a great rep, a future purchase would probably happen anyways, so I decided the 15% off future purchase was a fair compensation. BTW, I lifted the cap and can confirm they can hash at 1.4 TH on 110v! (1260 W setting) Of course, the power draw at the wall is around 1440 W so I went back to the 1100 W limit (around 1200 W at the wall). At 1.4 TH, the wires were getting hot (120 C) - I only had 16 gauge wires. So can't do that... Edit: Next unit (maybe after SP30s), please have noise level and US 110v customers in mind as well. ;-) How did it even go to 1400Watts? The power supply in mine is only an 1100 watt power supply. Did they change or put more powerful power supplies in different SP10's? |
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Hi everyone;
I had an issue with the PSU (broke because of bad luck). Spondoolies replied to mail 5 mns after my request with : "give us your pool credentials".
Few hour later I had a SP10 configured in israel hashing for me. Thanks Spondoolies !
I now received my fresh new PSU and everything is back to normal. Thanks Spondoolies !
Firmware 1.4.3 is awesome, 1.5+TH/s with 1%-0.5% HW errors. Thanks Spondoolies !
If anyone read me and want to invest in a miner, I highly recommend SP-T. They are reliable, great after sales support and well... good at what they do.
@SP-Tech : Thank you again team, you have better after sales support than some of the biggest IT actor on the market.
Keep it up, Spondoolies! You guys built a great reputation in a short amount of time! Guy gave me a 15% off future purchase because I was unhappy with the slower hashrate on 110v. This was before it was well known that the SP10 was current-limited on 110v. I figured Spondoolies has such a great rep, a future purchase would probably happen anyways, so I decided the 15% off future purchase was a fair compensation. BTW, I lifted the cap and can confirm they can hash at 1.4 TH on 110v! (1260 W setting) Of course, the power draw at the wall is around 1440 W so I went back to the 1100 W limit (around 1200 W at the wall). At 1.4 TH, the wires were getting hot (120 C) - I only had 16 gauge wires. So can't do that... Edit: Next unit (maybe after SP30s), please have noise level and US 110v customers in mind as well. ;-) %15 on all future? Is that just an offer for you? I'm on the fence about getting an SP30 (September) but since there are no refunds and bitcoin can go anywhere I'm a big chicken. Does everything think the SP30 will ROI? When I enter the numbers into that wisdom chart, it indicates with just todays numbers and an increasing diff will take over a year to ROI. I know we can't predict the difficulty, but at least we can agree it usually does always go up, right? And predicting bitcoin to USD, that's impossible. If I knew that one I'd already have a few orders of some SP30's. |
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... I assume the values on btcguild were lower because of bad luck ...
btcguild bad luck won't affect the hash rate you see. It will affect the payouts only. BTC Guild's luck is horrible. That's the only reason I went with Ghash (this was months ago) and their luck really never recovered yet. As much as I pain to mine on the Ghash pool, I have to some times. And forget Eligius. I don't understand their payout system and don't like a system where I can't manually perform a payout. And I get real tired of seeing those messages saying "new things to come" just "be patient" all over that have been there for over a year. |
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murdof what's the pool speed for your miners?
I updated twp SP10's firmware and they are hashing a little slower than previously. I'll let them hash over night and take a peek again later. I usually get my highest hash readings on the the guild. If I use Ghash, it's all over the place. The miners will report lower speed on GUI, but you will see higher speed on the pool. Since you just made your upgrade it will take a couple of hours to get some accurate numbers from both the miner and the pool. I'm also waiting for my DC host to switch me to 208V. Still on 110V. Wanna squeeze everything I can out of it. |
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murdof what's the pool speed for your miners?
I updated twp SP10's firmware and they are hashing a little slower than previously. I'll let them hash over night and take a peek again later. I usually get my highest hash readings on the the guild. If I use Ghash, it's all over the place. |
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Someone steal all the luck?
(24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 67.655% / 79.863% / 92.032% / 93.406% / 95.363% / 89.488% / 98.073%
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None of these automatic firmware upgrades change or reset the IP information, correct? Since these really are data center rigs most people would be upgrading the firmware remotely. If the IP info changes then no way to get back into miner. Safe to update to latest firmware remotely?
Thanks!
Safe to update to the latest firmware remotely. I have already did it and nothing changes regarding to the IP. Thanks, and also for the previous response. |
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None of these automatic firmware upgrades change or reset the IP information, correct? Since these really are data center rigs most people would be upgrading the firmware remotely. If the IP info changes then no way to get back into miner. Safe to update to latest firmware remotely?
Thanks!
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I get horrible mining hashing speeds when connected to them anyway, so I won't be using them as my primary pool. They're all over the place. Very inconsistent. |
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zvisha has been helping me out the last day or so with troubleshooting and getting some temporarily-lost stability back to the miner, however, i am still having some slight issues:
1) fans at 70% used to be fine but as of today sounded terrible. ive soundproofed somewhat and reduced to 60%, but its still a similar volume to what an unmuffled 60% would have sounded like last week. Without a dB meter i could be crazy though - getting this in a DC is top priority. the unit also has very slight vibrations that go away if i put a few pounds of pressure on the middle back edge of the lid.
2) The unit seems to always have a 10% or higher (right now, its about 16%!) error rate, even after hours of operation, temperatures of 26/77C, and most of the chips at 77C with a few at 113C. Miner says 1.41Th while the pool says 1.25-1.3TH. What is the accepted/error ratio for others?
the product is excellent, but it needs to be operated in a datacenter or somewhere that the fans running at 90-100% wont burst eardrums. I would really love to see the SP10 fit in an SP30 case to better dissipate the heat and use bigger/quieter fans. Most DC racks cant handle anywhere near the 40-50kW draw that the SP10 and SP30 models enable
I was also always getting 1.3TH consistently, then put the new firmware on. Now I'm down to 1.2TH. So I'm going the other way. I'm still on a 110V circuit and get switched over to a 208V soon so hopefully I'll see the nice 1.45TH that I see in all the Spondoolie video's. |
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What are the redline highs that should be at TEMP FRONT and TEMP BACK? |
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zvisha has been helping me out the last day or so with troubleshooting and getting some temporarily-lost stability back to the miner, however, i am still having some slight issues:
1) fans at 70% used to be fine but as of today sounded terrible. ive soundproofed somewhat and reduced to 60%, but its still a similar volume to what an unmuffled 60% would have sounded like last week. Without a dB meter i could be crazy though - getting this in a DC is top priority. the unit also has very slight vibrations that go away if i put a few pounds of pressure on the middle back edge of the lid.
2) The unit seems to always have a 10% or higher (right now, its about 16%!) error rate, even after hours of operation, temperatures of 26/77C, and most of the chips at 77C with a few at 113C. Miner says 1.41Th while the pool says 1.25-1.3TH. What is the accepted/error ratio for others?
the product is excellent, but it needs to be operated in a datacenter or somewhere that the fans running at 90-100% wont burst eardrums. I would really love to see the SP10 fit in an SP30 case to better dissipate the heat and use bigger/quieter fans. Most DC racks cant handle anywhere near the 40-50kW draw that the SP10 and SP30 models enable
Then go ahead, put it in a DC. Can't run that at home unless you have a way of not hearing it. |
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