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821  Other / Meta / Re: Local China Subforums - Admin Probably Will Be Arrested And Transfered To China on: October 18, 2023, 02:01:19 PM
Are you so bored that you have nothing better to do than make these type of nonsense topicr, or you simply don't have any other weay to contribute this forum?


Each day various countries request persons in other countries to be arrested and transfered. It depends from various agreements and laws. There is no place for laugh - ask any lawyer.
So I guess you asked a lawyer about this  and he told you that admins in China subforum will get arrested? Yeah right.
822  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin ETF Approval: FAKE NEWS! on: October 17, 2023, 08:04:17 PM
LOL! I see... Maybe it's just a joke on Rollbit's part after all. No one is stupid enough to use the Cointelegraph name if they wanted to profit from inside information. Besides, the exit price is too perfect, no one could have predicted it so well.
It was probably a joke (and very good one I must say  Cheesy), with Rollbit insinuating that someone from Cointelegraph released that news on purpose in order to make a profit and that's definitely something I see happening.
823  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: October 17, 2023, 04:58:48 PM
After playing bad against Turkey I was expecting Croatia to wake up and give their everything to get that needed win against Wales. They still couldn't prevent a loss by 2-1. Now they have equal points with Wales which made things harder for themselves.
Same here. I really hoped that the performance vs Turkey was just a bad day, but soon after game vs wales started, I realized that we are in the deep shit. Worst of all is that we weren't able to create barely any chances despite having more posession. Its one thing to play decently and loose, but we wre much worse than either Wales and turkey and that's something that no one expected. The only time that we didn't qualify for Euro was back in 2000, 2 years after we were 3rd in France. I seriously hope that history doesn't repeat itself as I planned to go on Euro since its close to me.


To be honest Wales can lose points in at least one of the matches against Armenia and Turkey. This would be enough for Croatia to qualify for Euro 2024 together with us.  Smiley
We are hoping that Turkey will be able to take at least 1 point in order to finish first in group which would give you easeir opponents in Euro.


There is a really interesting situation for Ireland in Group B. I don't know if you have heard but Ireland still have an opportunity to qualify for Euro 2024 on one condition. The condition is that Ireland need to lose to Netherlands on November 18 to gain a play-off quota for the UEFA Nations League.
Yep, and just another proof that what Ueaf is doing doesn't make any sense and they are just makin things more complicated than they should be, and all this mess in order to make those useless Nations League games more interesting.
824  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] The Anon virtual VISA card, No personal information needed. on: October 17, 2023, 04:50:00 PM
Before creating more ANN threads, care to respond on a scam accusation that you are allegedly trying to dodge the payment for the guy who created your website?

Here is the link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470574.0
825  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Pregled Bitcointalk Signature-Ad kampanja on: October 17, 2023, 05:00:28 AM
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826  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Novosti on: October 17, 2023, 04:50:53 AM
Moram priznati da moja žena u tom slučaju vjerojatno ništa me bi znala sama nego bi morala potražiti pomoć. E sad... Kome vjerovati u toj mjeri da mogu biti siguran da ju neće opljačkati? Razmišljao sam napisati sve na papir i spremiti na sigurno, ali problem je što stalno nešto prebacujem s walleta u wallet, iz jedne kriptovalute u drugu...
Ja sam detaljno objasnio zeni sto napraviti u slucaju da se meni nesto dogodi a posto je srecom dosta informaticki pismena (nekad bih rekao i vise od mene), vjerujem da bi se snasla. Za svaki slucaj ima uputu kontakirati bliskog prijatelja za kojeg 100% vjerujem da ju nece probati prevariti te je on takodjer dao uputstva svojoj zeni da mene kontaktira ako nesto zapne.

Kad vec spominjemo zene, najjaci su mi likovi koji cak ni njima nevjeruju sa svojim kriptom pa uopce ni nemaju plan za slucaj "ne daj Boze". Znam da ima svakakvih zena, ali ono koji kurac si je i zenio ako joj ne mozes vjerovati sa parama?
827  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin ETF Approval: FAKE NEWS! on: October 16, 2023, 06:56:52 PM
Is that for real? Where did you get that info? Or are you just kidding?
He is referring to a reply Rollbit left earlier today on one of the Cointelegraph's tweets. I am not sure wether this is Rollbit's joke or for real  Cheesy


https://twitter.com/rollbitcom/status/1713919556568113503
828  Economy / Reputation / Re: Murat Scammed 62k Metropoly token on: October 16, 2023, 04:03:23 PM
1) This is how you wind up with the spam farms and multi accouters, individually the tokens might not be worth much but if you get a large enough percentage of those tokens it can be a couple of hundred USD. Which in some poor countries can be a lot of money.
Speaking of alt farms, craziest thing is that there there would be no bounty campaigns without them, or there would be way less than it is now. I am pretty certain that if you remove all alt accounts, there would be no more than few a dozens of participants per bounty campaign and that would be fail in the eyes of the clients. Bounty managers know that and for that reason they allow newbies joining, perfectly knowing that majority of them are alts.

The only way bounty managers can sell this service is if they promise hundreds or thousands of participants and without those numbers I seriously doubt that anyone would hire them. 
829  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin ETF Approval: Fueling Bullish Momentum? on: October 16, 2023, 03:56:08 PM
absolute scandal in my eyes and i am very curious what the 'internal' investigation will bring.
Why scandal? Its not like we didn't have fake news before and this one is no different than the others and if someone got rekted by following these typpe of news , tough luck.


i am very curious what the 'internal' investigation will bring.
Allegedly its an intern fault lol. How convenient.  Roll Eyes


830  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: October 16, 2023, 02:43:23 PM
Croats were actually not that bad against Turkey.
We were far from "not that bad", we were shit.


I think Croatia has lost the chance to qualify for the European Championship. Croatia will probably be eliminated in the play-offs with this demoralization, even though their injured players will be back.
You know very little about Croatian national team if you think that all hope is lost. True, we look like shit at the moment (probably worst in the last ~15 years) but there's still few games to play, Wales has to win against Armenia away and they won't have an easy job at all since Armenia already beat them in Cardiff and is also fighting for that 2nd spot.
831  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: October 15, 2023, 05:35:19 PM
The match that will really matter will be the match between Wales and Croatia today. The result of that match will affect the top 3 places of this group. In case of a draw, Türkiye will benefit more today.
Since we really complicated our situation with that loss vs Turkey few days ago, tonight's game is incredibly important for us, probably even crucial. If we win, we practically secured the 2nd spot and most importantly still have chance to reach that 1st spot that would give us much eeasier opponents for Euro.

I really don't know hat to expect as our first 11 will look very different from few days ago and I don't think that we will ever again see such a lineup like for tonight.
832  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ferrari introduced BTC payment option for their cars on: October 15, 2023, 05:29:08 PM
Now I don’t know how to feel about such news. Either it’s wonderful that such trends are happening, or auto concerns are doing really badly and sales have fallen, which is why they are trying to attract buyers in this way (to expand markets at the expense of bitcoiners).
I don't know how other luxury car manufacturers are performing, but last year Ferrari sold the most cars ever and based on the results from the first half of 2023 this one might be even better so I say that they are doing just fine. Then again, why not make it even easier for potential customers to buy cars, hence BitPay.
833  Economy / Reputation / Re: Murat Scammed 62k Metropoly token on: October 15, 2023, 10:31:45 AM
I imagine that the logical thing is that the flag is created by someone directly affected, but if it is created by a DT not directly affected, would it contravene any rule? I don't think so.
Well, in flags Type 2 and 3 it is explicitely stated "This user violated a casual or implied agreement with me/This user violated a written contract with me" so its not correct to create one if you are not affected by it and flag Type 1 should be used in that case.
834  Economy / Reputation / Re: Murat Scammed 62k Metropoly token on: October 15, 2023, 10:19:54 AM
Especially since this is not the first such case, as I understand it. 
You mean his getting tokens and not sending to bounty hunters or saying that tokens were escrowed while they actually weren't? Or both?


Technically, does it make sense for someone who has not been directly affected by that violation to create it? It is that I think that hypothetically if it was done it should be by someone affected, and then the supporting force to the flag would come from the votes of DTs if applicable.
I didn't think that Stalker22 meant him (or any of us here discussing it) making Type 2 flag but instead one of the bounty hunters as they were the ones affected with this.


835  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ferrari introduced BTC payment option for their cars on: October 15, 2023, 09:58:11 AM
It's good news, but it would have made a very big difference, and it would have been the best news, if the announcement was that they self-hosted a payment processor with BTCPay Server and accepted ONLY Bitcoin, https://btcpayserver.org/
Again, what you (and many others) don't understand is that we won't wake up in a world where everyone goes from not accepting bitcoin in any way, to accept it directly P2P as Satoshi initially envisioned. This is a process and during this period payment processors are necessary and I think that it would be much worse if we didn't even have those as that would mean way less ways to use bitcoin for what it was intended after all.

2 years ago I had to buy a new laptop and since I wanted to pay it with bitcoin (BTC price was very good so why not) I had 2 options: sell Bitcoin for cash and pay 3-4% fee at crypto exchange (I wanted to avoid bank transfers) or pay for laptop using PayCek (popular Croatian payment processor) directly on retail site. I of course chose option nr 2 as it was faster, less hassle and also cheaper.

Or I could have maybe been stubborn and say "unless retailers don't accept bitcoin directly, I won't use it". Then again, why would retailers even introduce direct bitcoin payment if they don't first see people paying via payment processor?


Plus many users are not that excited because perhaps they're more educated in what's truly good for Bitcoin and what's not. The puff-pieces will not work anymore.
No one expects that these ekind of news pump bitcoin price as those days are long behind us and I know that in the grand scheme of things they don't mean much, but I don't see how this is not a good news for bitcoin.
836  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Trezor Safe 3 New Hardware Wallet on: October 14, 2023, 04:16:36 PM
The bitcoin only version is sold out https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-3-bitcoin-only

As I said, I think if it wasn't a limited edition they would drastically increase their revenue.
Or maybe they wouldn't sell so many so fast if it wasn't a limited edition.  Wink
837  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ferrari introduced BTC payment option for their cars on: October 14, 2023, 03:51:47 PM
The lack of enthusiasm is depressing...
Remember the good old days of "When Lambo?' when goat actually bought a Lambo with BTC?  Grin
What do all plan on doing with these coins, keep it till they reach one quadrillion and by that time they're too old deaf, or visually impaired to even drive a car have the seed inscribed on the top of the coffin so you might exchange them to afterlife coins on some cosmic dex?
+1

It baffles me that people here are saying "no one in their right mind will spend bitcoin on Ferrari" while there are loads of crypto millionaires who are flexing by buying luxury cars, and just because they are not willing to spend bitcoin, they think that everyone else has the same mindset.

As I mentiond earlier, few years ago I bought my father a car with bitcoin. At that time BTC was ~50k and logic behind this was that my father is not getting any younger while his dream was to have SUV or something along those lines as he is at the age when its not easy to get in/out of those lower cars (and the one he drove was ~20 years old). So why the fuck not cash out part of my BTC instead holding onto it for 4-5 years more just so I can get better car/spend less BTC? I am not saying that people should sell all of their BTC they have and buy some crap (but even if they want, who am I to tell them how to spend their money), but I don't see anything bad at spending part of it every once in a while.


I'm starting to believe the biggest obstacle right now to mass adoption for it like a true p2p system is the holders themselves!
Not once I heard people here saying that its stupid to spend bitcoin and if people here are not willing to do it, then who is?


Chosing Bitpay means we have to pay 1-2% + 25˘ extra if we want to buy Ferrari car with btc. Ferrari is such a big company and company like this should work on own payment system rather then other source where customers have to bear the extra fee burden.
You will probably pay even higher fee when converting btc to fiat so I don't see any problem with that. Would it be better if Ferrari acceptes BTC directly? Of course it would, but that's not realistic at this point and it won't be for quite some time.


Ferrari is such a big company and company like this should work on own payment system rather then other source where customers have to bear the extra fee burden.
Of course they won't bother making their own payment system when percentage of people who will actually pay with crypto won't be that high anyway. They don't care about bitcoin as all they care about is how to sell cars in the most convenient way.


Because payments are made through BitPay, Ferrari will probably accept shitcoins? It would be laughable if they accept BCash too. BitPay was a known advocate for BCash.
Since payments will be processed by Bitpay its safe to assume that all currencies supported by them will be accepted, including BCH.


What happens is that I simply changed my opinion, you know I was anti shitcoin, anti-intermediaries, but if you see things are not working the way you wish then you start to think what's the next best and less bad than complete control thing, and yeah, payment gateways, without them there is nothing so the only compromise available. Besides, nobody stops Ferrari after taking your BTC to dump them on the market, right?
What people here often don't understand is that we won't woke up one day and suddenly everyone will accept bitcoin directly as intended. Instead, changes will be small and gradual and I see this as just another small step into right direction when companies finally understand that bitcoin is here to stay and that it has many advantages over fiat. But untill that happens, 3rd party services are necessary evil.
838  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: [VELIKA LISTA] Hardverski novčanici (80+) on: October 14, 2023, 08:05:56 AM
@dkbit98
ti pratiš situaciju sa sigurnosnim elementima. Jesi li našao negdje informaciju koji tačno SE je u Trezor Safe 3? Jel ovaj njihov open-source na kojem su radili ili neki drugi chip?
Napisao je on prije par dana dobar post u kojem je sve objasnio oko novog Trezora i SE. Nazalost, njihov izgleda nije jos gotov tako da su koristili secure element od neke druge firme koji nije open source.

Evo i linka na njegov post u kojem je detaljnije objasnio problematiku https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5469307.msg62985174#msg62985174
839  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ferrari introduced BTC payment option for their cars on: October 14, 2023, 07:48:30 AM
I seriously doubt that there is a high interest among those who own bitcoin to use it to purchase an expensive car like a Ferrari.
Well, not many people buy Ferrari in general (they sell 10-15k cars per year which is nothing compared to let's say Toyota who sells 10 million) but there's still decent amount of nouveau riche crypto millionaires who like to flex with expensive cars so there will be some interest.


Plus those rich nocoiners who want to buy a Ferrari won't do, "Buy Bitcoin -> Then buy Ferrari", probably except if Ferrari offered their cars with a good discount if the purchase was made through Bitcoin. For the same price it would be inefficient because why not buy the Ferrari directly with their fiat?
No shit, Sherlock.


It's merely "propaganda", merely "puff", "hype" for the people in general.
I would agree with you if Ferrari accepted it at the peak in 2021 just to ride the hype train, but they accepted it at the entirely different time when bitcoin is far from all time high. Imho, its a good marketing move as crypto millionaires are usually connected with lambos (which I thought is overblown until I visited Dubai) so why not try to get into that market too?


Too many people consider BTC an investment rather than electronic money, and i'm sure they'll not want to spend their BTC on a car or anything that's as expensive as a Ferrari.
Buddy, people are buying all kind of crazy stuff with bitcoin. Hell, few years ago I bought my father a car with bitcoin money (not Ferrari ofc lol but a decent Nissan) and I am far from rich so you can imagine what those who have millions (and often lack of brain) do with crypto money.
840  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Ferrari introduced BTC payment option for their cars on: October 14, 2023, 06:42:20 AM
As the title says, Ferrari (who I believe doesn't need introduction) announced that they are accepting bitcoin payments for their cars. They are not accepting BTC (and a few other cryptocurrencies) directly but instead via Bitpay but its still a good thing for bitcoin when probably the most legendary car manufacturer decided to accept it even through a 3rd party.

For now its only for US market but they plan to expand it to Europe too.

Ferrari (RACE.MI) has started to accept payment in cryptocurrency for its luxury sports cars in the U.S. and will extend the scheme to Europe following requests from its wealthy customers, its marketing and commercial chief told Reuters.

Ferrari said the decision came in response to requests from the market and dealers as many of its clients have invested in crypto.

"Some are young investors who have built their fortunes around cryptocurrencies," he said. "Some others are more traditional investors, who want to diversify their portfolios."
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